Helping Minorities Thrive in STEM

Josipa Roksa

by James A. Bacon

There is a shortage of doctors, scientists, engineers and other employees with STEM (science, technology, engineering, and medicine) backgrounds in the U.S. economy. One reason is that American institutions of higher education aren’t turning out enough graduates with STEM degrees. And a big reason for that is that roughly half the students who enter STEM programs drop out. The labor shortage is especially marked among Hispanics and African-Americans.

The University of Virginia is trying to address disparities in STEM degrees awarded by applying university funds to leverage a grant from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute — $7.7 million total over five years — to support the Driving Change and Inclusive Excellence 3 initiatives that aim to “enhance the academic experience and success of STEM students, particularly those who belong to historically excluded groups.”

The project director is Josipa Roksa, a professor of sociology and education who gained notoriety a decade ago as co-author of Academically Adrift, a book that demonstrated that more than one-third of college students showed “almost no significant improvement in learning” during their four years in college. Since then, her research has focused on racial/ethnic inequalities in learning.

The underlying problem is that many students who enter UVa STEM programs are academically unprepared for the courses taught.

“Students come into a rigorous academic environment,” said Provost Ian Baucom. “Not all students are equally prepared.” There are notable disparities in preparedness by race/ethnicity, gender, and socioeconomic status, he added.

“A lot of students feel like they do not belong academically,” said Roksa. Her goal is to help UVa faculty create classrooms where “all students feel like they belong” and to “make sure that all of our students thrive.”

Roksa’s presentation was focused more on the need for the program rather than detailing how the pedagogy might be restructured. But she did provide one example.

“Do we have a sense of why students don’t feel like they can do the work,” one board member asked.

“I’m not sure they can’t do the work,” Roksa responded. Rather, she said, “the conditions we create in our STEM environment are not conducive” to learning. For instance, she said, students from Southwest Virginia who attend schools with 50 kids in their grade might find it difficult to transition to an introductory STEM class at UVa where ten times that number might sit in an auditorium while a professor — “who is just a person on the stage” — lectures to them. “You don’t feel connected.”

The board meeting was running behind schedule so there was little time for discussion. No one asked an obvious question: why is UVa admitting students who are academically unprepared for its STEM programs?


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68 responses to “Helping Minorities Thrive in STEM”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    I forget which class it was but my daughter who graduated from UVa’s engineering school (can we talk about the lack of women in the STEM fields… still…) opted to take one of the large lecture hall cull courses at NoVA over her summer break – may have been one of the physics courses. It may have even been on line. Seemed like a pretty smart approach to me.

  2. Bubba1855 Avatar

    Why is a sociology prof leading a program to improve outcomes instead of a STEM prof? Start by eliminating lecture hall classes. Max class size should be 20…

  3. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    My daughter who has a masters in Biology was teaching classes at a NOVA CC location several years back while working a full time job. She gave failing grades to nursing students of a particular ethnic group who couldn’t do the math. the students filed a complaint and even though there was no question the students couldn’t do the work (figuring out medical dosage rates) my daughter was not asked back. Unless you require merit and expertise in any and all jobs instead of skin color and sex as determining factors you will end up with underwhelming employees,innovators and leaders.

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    The second question is, are they graduating them still unprepared? The school has a good completion rate, after all.

    For four years we listened to our son in the E school complain about how hard he was working compared to students in what he called The College of Arts and Crafts. I suspect rather than dropping out, many transfer to something less rigorous.

    1. The six-year graduation rate at UVa is high — around 96% to 97% overall, and 86% for African-Americans. The problem here is that many students (of all ethnicities) find that they can’t hack it in STEM programs, drop out of STEM, and find a less rigorous major. They still graduate, but not in a STEM field. That’s what this program is designed to prevent.

      1. The six year graduation rate of UVA is 94% with a four year graduation rate of 88%. Very good for a public university. But UVA is not a big time engineering school.

    2. DJRippert Avatar

      We used to call them “double Es”. Not electrical engineers but engineering-to-economics. Try the “Tool School” and then transfer to arts & crafts after you realize that differential equations was too much.

  5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Aren’t those the classes that pride themselves for culling out the ones who can’t compete academically…?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep. It’s sorta like they have a quota and they enforce it with things like Calculus classes taught by foreign student teachers with thick accents and such.

    2. Pretty much, yes. And that’s as it should be because an incompetent engineer can do even more damage than an incompetent doctor.

    3. DJRippert Avatar

      That was definitely the case at Virginia Tech back in the day. The 5 hour calculus course taught freshman year washed out a lot of would-be engineers.

  6. And a big reason for that is that roughly half the students who enter STEM programs drop out.

    That is nothing new. It was that way when I was studying for my engineering degree at Virginia Tech almost 40 years ago. In fact, I’m pretty sure the five-hour freshman calculus classes are designed to cull students from the College of Engineering.

    My dad’s insurance agent jokingly told me the VT College of Engineering should be called “Pre-Business”, because so many people (him included) flunk out of engineering and transfer to business or some other BA program.

    On a side note, even as far back as my time at Virginia Tech there was talk of making engineering a five-year program to help relieve the pressure on students. I finished my degree in four years, but I’d estimate that about 50% of the students who stayed in the engineering program took five years (or more) to complete their degrees. Architecture was already a five year program when I was there.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      My Dad’s combined civil engineering and architecture program at Tech was five years right after WW2.

      1. The past is a very different country. There were no computer back then and civil engineers had to take drafting classes.

        1. Virginia Tech was still requiring drafting/mechanical drawing classes as part of the engineering curriculum in the 1980s.

          They also made us learn how to use a slide rule, although they did not require their use in engineering classes (except on the slide-rule test). Thank God for the HP-41CX calculator. I still use one to this day to double-check design software results, although now it is an emulator app on my cell phone.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar

            Mechanical drafting was still required when I attended, albeit was CAD in ProE, but it was required. I had my fill of the pre-CAD in high school and had an affinity to it, as that was my father’s profession for 20 years.

            We also had to take specific classes in mech engineering as well. Thermodynamics still gives me headaches.

            We were limited to TI-86’s in college, didn’t want the calculator to be able to do the equation for you.

          2. I called it Thermogoddammics.

            By the way, the TI86 is a fully programmable graphing calculator which is technically more advanced than the HP-41C, which was first introduced in 1979.

            If you knew what you’re doing (i.e. you knew the material) you could program either one to greatly simplify engineering calculations.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar

            Haha you weren’t the only one who called it that.

            Yeah, it certainly could that is until they made you clear the memory before each exam.

          4. I called it Thermogoddammics.

            By the way, the TI86 is a fully programmable graphing calculator which is technically more advanced than the HP-41C, which was first introduced in 1979.

            If you knew what you’re doing (i.e. you knew the material) you could program either one to greatly simplify engineering calculations.

          5. I called it Thermogoddammics.

            By the way, the TI86 is a fully programmable graphing calculator which is technically more advanced than the HP-41C, which was first introduced in 1979.

            If you knew what you’re doing (i.e. you knew the material) you could program either one to greatly simplify engineering calculations.

          6. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Still have Dad’s slide rules. 🙂

        2. Matt Adams Avatar

          Civil Engineers as well as all Engineer’s still take drafting classes. It’s a requirement to graduate.

          1. Needs a site please. Or could one point out the drafting class off the syllabus for a mechanical engineer at Virginia TEch. https://www.registrar.vt.edu/content/dam/registrar_vt_edu/documents/Updates/coe/21-22/coe_me_21_22.pdf

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            Need a citation, not a site, there bud.

            You also have zero idea what those Engineering classes compose of, in fact most design classes have a CAD component to them.

            Year 2 fall, but don’t let them their facts get in your way.

            https://engineering.catholic.edu/academics/undergraduate/civil-engineering/structural-engineering/index.html

          3. I guess when one could not find the drafting requirement at Virginia Tech, one found an university that did. I did not find it at UVA either. https://engineering.virginia.edu/sites/default/files/common/departments/engineering-systems-and-environment/2022%20Civil%20Curriculum_updated102621.doc

            I did notice that at both VT and UVA statistics is now a requirement. It looking at the UVA plan, I failed to see where English is a requirement and the UVA plan for graduating in four years means taking method of integration in the first semester (Calculus II) which requires that one take a course comparable to calculus I in high school and is a good example of a fire wall.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar

            “I guess when one could not find the drafting requirement at Virginia Tech, one found an university that did. I did not find it at UVA either.”

            The problem with you statement is, that you didn’t attend either school nor did you graduate with an Engineering degree. So to make a statement that it’s not required without knowing what “ENGE” classes entail is your own error.

            “ENGE: courses that help fill out the foundational engineering experience, including spatial visualization, global engineering, engineering with LabView, ideation and innovation, and more.”

            From Virginia Tech’s website, just because it’s not directly called out doesn’t mean it isn’t a requirement imbedded in General Engineering course work.

            https://enge.vt.edu/undergraduate/generalengineering.html

            Oh and you didn’t look very hard at UVA either, spring semester 2200.

            https://engineering.virginia.edu/departments/materials-science-and-engineering/undergraduate/mse-major/curriculum#:~:text=Bachelor%20in%20Materials%20Science%20and%20Engineering&text=The%20BS%20in%20Materials%20Science,program%20for%20future%20ABET%20accreditation.

            However, what do I know I graduated with a EE from a school that ranks higher than both schools your referencing.

            English is a general requirement.

          5. The science and engineering requirements were taking 15 semester hours. Where was the room for English except for the four HSS (humanities and social sciences classes). Not taking a full year of calculus in high school means that being an engineer major will require a fifth year. And the rankings of engineering schools is pointless.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar

            “Teddy007 an hour ago
            The science and engineering requirements were taking 15 semester hours. Where was the room for English except for the four HSS (humanities and social sciences classes). Not taking a full year of calculus in high school means that being an engineer major will require a fifth year. And the rankings of engineering schools is pointless.”

            You should learn how to read what you post, if you did you’d answer your own question.

            No, Engineer’s take more than 1 year of calculus.

            Well, they aren’t but go for that.

            Which one did you graduated from?

          7. I did read the proposed cirriculum. Calculus II was in the first semester. That is a huge firewall for being an engineering student. As universities do these days, most of them have no time for late bloomers. Also, pushing more classes down to high school benefits girls more than boys. When one needs to take algebra in 7th grade, one is helping girls.

          8. Matt Adams Avatar

            “I did read the proposed [sic] cirriculum. Calculus II was in the first semester. That is a huge firewall for being an engineering student”

            So you now seem to understand that Engineering while marketed as a 4 year degree isn’t for a vast majority. Welcome to the club that knew that long before now.

            “Also, pushing more classes down to high school benefits girls more than boys. When one needs to take algebra in 7th grade, one is helping girls.”

            Non-Sequitur.

            Again, which Engineering School did you graduate from?

          9. https://enge.vt.edu/undergraduate/generalengineering.html

            Note the two English classes freshman year.

            I did not take calculus in HS and I graduated from VT engineering program in 4 years…

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      English 101, aka Vietnam Prep.

      I retook Calculus in my freshman year even though I had done well in it during HS. My being CHEAP gave me an “A”. The class was taught from Teirney’s 4th Edition and my HS class from the 3rd Edition.

      One big difference was the 4th Ed. had the answers to even numbered problems and the 3rd had the answers to the odd numbered problems. Some rearrangement and errata made following along tough, but the homework took minutes and was always a 100.

      1. Undergraduate math classes do not even assign homework anymore since there are websites and apps that can no only solve the problem but show one each step a grader wants to see.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          I’d say that’s an anecdotal statement, I had plenty of homework in math.

          1. How long ago. I have talked to too many professor who no longer assign homework since so many students just handed in what computer showed the for calculus to at least differential equations. Maybe the upper level math classes still required homework.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            Less then 20 years and unless you were in Calculus, you weren’t accepted into the School of Engineering.

    3. Matt Adams Avatar

      I had a friend who left our college of engineering for IMS. 4 years is crazy for Engineering, I remember the talk of making it 5 when I went.

      I looked at some programs who did a 3 & 2 with a transfer, so you’d get a degree in Physics and one in EE.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        Getting a CPA now requires a 4 year accounting degree along with a one year masters in accounting. At least, if you want that CPA right after school.

    4. What universities do today is firewall off the College of Engineering with higher admission standards. At many universities, just because the University admitted the student does not mean that the College of Engineering, College of Business, or Natural sciences has admitted the student.

      1. Not just today. Virginia Tech has had separate, more rigorous, admission requirements for their College of Engineering for decades.

        1. DJRippert Avatar

          Virginia had a school of engineering where you applied while in high school. If you got to that school and didn’t like engineering, you had ti apply for a transfer to the College of Arts and Sciences.

          Virginia’s undergraduate business school was a two year program – Third year (junior) and fourth year (senior). You couldn’t start in the business school and had to apply (from within UVa to get in). Many were not accepted.

          1. Virginia had a school of engineering where you applied while in high school.

            Yes. Virginia Tech did too. I applied early summer between my junior & senior years of high school, and was notified in mid-October that I had been accepted to the VT College of Engineering (subject to not f–ing up during my senior year, of course)..

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: ” Why is UVa admitting students who are academically unprepared for its STEM programs?”

    The answer to that might be found in recognizing why Higher Ed Law Schools are pulling out of the US News & World Report rankings and in the bigger picture of what happens if and when the SCOTUS outlaws affirmative action.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/us/law-school-rankings-test-scores.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/supreme-court-harvard-unc-affirmative-action.html

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Neither has anything to do with the real problems. First, this is hard stuff and not many kids will make the effort. Second, as the testing gets weaker or goes away, hilgh school programs get easier, admissions really cannot tell who is well prepared. Jim thinks this is because of “affirmative action” but I believe it is more about how families do not push the kids to do the very hard work. My poor son had a math nerd mother who had him in special programs and camps early on. Plus my Dad was an engineer and my son grew up thinking it cool.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Neither has anything to do with the real problems. First, this is hard stuff and not many kids will make the effort. Second, as the testing gets weaker or goes away, high school programs get easier, admissions really cannot tell who is well prepared. Jim thinks this is because of “affirmative action” but I believe it is more about how families do not push the kids to do the very hard work. My poor son had a math nerd mother who had him in special programs and camps early on. Plus my Dad was an engineer and my son grew up thinking it cool.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        But the way that colleges do admissions is changing…right?

        Some schools no longer are making academic merit the primary criteria, right?

      2. If colleges really cannot tell who is well prepared, it’s not terribly helpful to make SATs optional and rely instead upon high school transcripts subject to grade inflation.

    3. DJRippert Avatar

      I don’t know what the “STEM programs” are. Engineering is taught in the engineering school. Math, chemistry and biology are taught in the College of Arts and Science. The undergraduate business school offers a BS in Commerce but you have to pick a concentration. Information Technology is one such concentration.

      You can take electives in the engineering school. I know one BS – Commerce / Accounting who took BASIC, FORTRAN, LISP, databases and several other CS courses in the engineering school. The guy graduated with an accounting degree and started work as an assembly language programmer. Never did a lick of accounting.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        STEM is among other things, an ability to read, understand and articulate concepts that explain how the world actually does “work”.

        You’ll find these in the back of Algebra books – called “word problems” where they describe a real world situation like two trains headed to each other on the same track… or what the volume is of an odd shaped tank, etc.

        Programmers know the code, how to code but understanding the algorithm they are coding is what STEM actually is.

        The world around us that we all live in is real world math and science – from the air bag on your car to the GPS on your phone to that “smart” thermostat in your home. It’s all math, engineering and science – STEM.

  8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    I forget which class it was but my daughter who graduated from UVa’s engineering school (can we talk about the lack of women in the STEM fields… still…) opted to take one of the large lecture hall cull courses at NoVA over her summer break – may have been one of the physics courses. It may have even been on line. Seemed like a pretty smart approach to me.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Auditorium, hundreds , graduate assistant with thick foreign accent… dropouts galore!

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        An 8 a.m. class, to boot. That was always my lowest grade. 🙂

        1. Bubba1855 Avatar

          Haner…way back when, my Calculus II class was at 8am…when the weather got cold the prof would open up the windows to wake up the class…ha.ha…it worked.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Slept in, took my Gentleman’s C and moved on.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    This much is true. Somtime between 1960 and 1980, parents discovered that saying, “It’s okay Honey, a ‘C’ in math is good. Math is for boys,” wasn’t helpful. The classes I taught in math, CS, and physics from 1981 through the early 2000s began approaching parity in sex and performance. In addition, the companies for which I worked did also, albeit there were still more men with Ph.Ds; we began seeing more women at entry level.

    1. Nobody in our house ever told my older sister that. I guess that might be one of the reasons she became an Electrical Engineer.

  10. Considering the number of underemloyed STEM PhDs, there is no shortage. And every addition of a quota PhD means one more person hunting for a job.

  11. DJRippert Avatar

    For instance, she said, students from Southwest Virginia who attend schools with 50 kids in their grade might find it difficult to transition to an introductory STEM class at UVa where ten times that number might sit in an auditorium while a professor — “who is just a person on the stage” — lectures to them. “You don’t feel connected.”

    Really?

    The kid is smart enough to try to major in math or electrical engineering but can’t handle a large lecture format? C’mon. As I recall, most large lecture formats are augmented by smaller classes taught by TAs.

    Beyond that, even urban and suburban high schools with thousands of students don’t learn in amphitheaters.

    1. Bubba1855 Avatar

      I agree with you…in my humble opinion ‘connected’ is not the issue…it’s a ‘woke’ excuse.
      BTW, most if not all ‘lecture hall’ classes are fluff classes…

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “fluff”… Calculus at 8am with a thick accent dude … ugly…

    2. I was thinking pretty much the same thing when I read that. As far as I am concerned, it’s just another excuse that allows students who fail a class to claim they are “victims” of something instead of having to engage in some self-examination to figure out the real reason they failed.

    3. Matt Adams Avatar

      I concur it’s just an excuse. My Physics, Chem, Freshmen Engineering Seminar were in lecture hall settings, with the labs in smaller groups.

  12. Bubba1855 Avatar

    way back when…over 50 yrs…my best friend in high school went to UVA engineering…he told me that at freshman orientation that the speaker said…”look to your left and look to your right…they will not be next to you when you graduate in 4 years”. It impressed him…he graduated in aeronautical eng in 4 yrs…Change gears…nearing retirement I became friends with a dean of business at a major univ in SC…he knew that I went to HSC…he said the difference between private univ and public univ is this…public univ have to weed out the students who shouldn’t be there…private univ provide the environment for students to graduate…hmmm…but that was 30 yrs ago before student loans were propping up public universities. My take is that due to the flood of student loans and their corresponding increase in college enrollment, that too many kids went to college who should not have gone…aka, not appropriately prepared. of course we can go on and on about this on Bacon…and we have…
    college is not for everyone and many need more prep…

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      ” the difference between private univ and public univ is this…public univ have to weed out the students who shouldn’t be there…private univ provide the environment for students to graduate..”

      Some might say when you pay a private university, you’re paying to make sure your kid graduates!

      A lot of the smaller ones, that’s what they do

      You pays your money and they make sure your kid graduates. He/She won’t have a name-brand diploma.. but they got the degree.

      The name-brand colleges demand and get a premium for their diplomas pl8s no guarantees of graduation.

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    What is wrong with Colleges in expanding the existing programs they have to “help” those with sports scholarships and legacy alumni kids with their academics?

    1. The legacies are usually not that dumb. The dumb rich kids are referred to as developmental admits. Many universities have created the dumbed down major to get the dumb kids through. See the book “Parenting to a Degree” to see how it works.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        can’t do for “unprepared” who are not legacy?

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