Governor May Get Two Different Nuclear Bills

Small modular reactor illustrated

By Steve Haner

A Virginia Senate committee voted Monday to approve a House of Delegates bill designed to finance a small modular nuclear reactor in Southwest Virginia, contradicting its own earlier vote for a much broader bill that had statewide application.

Two different bills on the same topic might now pass the Virginia Senate.  If the House does the same thing with the Senate bill, now alive in front of its Labor and Commerce Committee, Governor Glenn Youngkin (R) could have two very different bills to choose from.

“We don’t give the Governor two choices and let him figure it out,” complained Senate Majority Leader Scott Surovell, D-Fairfax, “It’s our job to figure it out.”  But his motion to take the previous Senate language and conform the House bill to the Senate version failed on a voice vote.  The bill was then approved 9-6.

When the House and Senate have different bills on the same subject, what usually happens is what Surovell wanted. The two sides insist on their own versions and put the bills into a conference committee to work out a compromise.  Or the patrons and lobbyists huddle and work out the differences and bring forth a substitute to present before the Assembly adjourns.

The push to pre-finance a nuclear plant in advance of a formal decision to actually build it is one of the more interesting energy issues remaining at the 2024 session, and the previous stories are here and here.  Asking ratepayers to pay for a plant that has not been approved as necessary, reasonable and prudent by the State Corporation Commission, and which may or may not be built at all, is an unprecedented departure from normal procedure.

Both bills are guilty of that abdication of ratepayer protection, but of the two the House version is the less problematic.   The House bill applies only to Appalachian Power Company, allows for far fewer advance costs to be imposed on its ratepayers, and does not apply a profit margin to the pre-approval spending.

The Senate bill covers both utilities, meaning there could be two such speculative projects in two different state locations, with the ratepayers of both on the hook. It covers more of the advanced costs and mandates a profit margin.  And it would allow the project to get further along before the utility – and it would be the utilities’ choice 100% — decides whether to proceed or abandon the plan.

“The SMR dog won’t hunt but it sure will bite,” complained one opponent, who drove up from Southwest Virginia to testify in person.  Recalling his earlier testimony on the Senate bill, his objections are to nuclear power, period.  Quite a few Southwest Virginians came to the podium in Richmond Monday to ask that the bill be rejected.

As happens all too often in these cases, the legislators then put on a display of their ignorance of the traditional ratemaking process and consumer protection rules.  Senator William Stanley, R-Franklin, in particular, seemed unable to grasp that the difference between this situation and other power plants is that Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity (CPCN) proceeding, ruled over by the SCC.  As this bill is written, and the Senate version as well, the SCC will lack the authority to just say no.

Senator David Marsden, D-Fairfax, is carrying the broader bill, the one that also covers Dominion Energy Virginia.  But he agreed with advancing this bill without seeking any compromise with his bill.  He said nuclear power will only get built if the normal rules are bent and the state must act now.  He justified it with (of course) the threat of climate change from fossil fuels and the need to comply with the Virginia Clean Economy Act’s deadlines to kill the natural gas plants.

A parade of utility and nuclear industry advocates came to the podium asking the legislature to pass this bill, and were fairly open that it will basically subsidize the Virginia nuclear industry, much of it centered on Lynchburg.

The House bill reads just as it did in passing the House, so if the full Senate approves it this week, it goes next to the Governor.  The Senate bill is on the docket for the House committee tomorrow.  Both are deserving of a gubernatorial veto, but Youngkin has been a big booster for the SMR technology. It is now clear the utilities will not go that way under the current process designed to protect consumers.

That should be a blinking red light, a siren going off, but so far it looks like the ratepayers need to brace themselves and prepare to pay up.  Any price is justified to allow Virginia to quickly abandon the use of natural gas for electricity, right?


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38 responses to “Governor May Get Two Different Nuclear Bills”

  1. Irene Leech Avatar
    Irene Leech

    It’s a shame when the GA ignores the basic rules that ensure
    traditional ratemaking process and consumer protection rules,, listening only to those who will benefit from such departure. At some point you’d think we’d have learned a few things about the importance of long-standing processes. Instead, we keep repeating the same mistakes.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Quick profit over deferred gratification.

      Obamacare and its cancellation comes to mind.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Neither good nor bad for ratepayers, probably. We’ll pay the same. Dominion gets a big infusion of cash, same as it did with the ploy of converting the fuel debt into a 7 year bond. Cash is king. I await the details in the SCC filing, but I bet it will be heavily redacted.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Neither good nor bad for ratepayers, probably. We’ll pay the same. Dominion gets a big infusion of cash, same as it did with the ploy of converting the fuel debt into a 7 year bond. Cash is king. I await the details in the SCC filing, but I bet it will be heavily redacted. I hope somebody hires an outside accounting expert to parse it, and report if there is some immediate value being created that should flow to us, not just the stockholders.

      Go to a brokerage website and check out the 5 year summary on that stock….

    3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      So Virginia is known as a push-over allowing Dominion to make high profits (from us). Thus D found a partner willing to share in the bounty.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        The article did say there was guaranteed profit!

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Those Democrats who pledged not to take campaign donations from Dominion don’t seem to mind voting for legislation that favors Dominion. The company has figured out a winning formula: draft legislation that is favored by environmentalists but build in a profit for itself and even anti-Dominion Democrats will vote for it.

    If Gov. Youngkin truly were concerned that Virginians should be able to keep some of their hard-earned money, he would send these bills back to the GA with amendments providing that the utilities could not add the costs of the projects to their rate bases until the SCC issued the CPCN. If the legislature rejected the amendments, he should veto the bills.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I think Youngkin is likely in the very same tent that other Dominions supporters are…

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    A question just occurred to me. What is the need for this legislation? Could the utilities, on their own initiative, go through the planning and initial design work and then apply for CPCN to begin construction? If so, I have answered my own question. The legislation is needed in order to allow them to build the initial costs into their rate bases even if they don’t get to the CPCN process,

  4. Kudos to Mr. Haner for clearly explaining the Byzantine complexities of the legislative process.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      And I second that.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    John Howard Griffin spun in his grave last night. Loved the “Black Like Me” Trump stump speech. He’s all yours. Wonder if he has a “Grating White Hope” speech coming?

  6. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Mr. Sizemore has made a very valid point. The best course of action is for Gov. Youngkin to send the bills back to the GA with amendments providing that the utilities could not add the costs of the projects to their rate bases until the SCC issued the CPCN.
    Dominion should not be able to put rate payers on the hook for its investments before they are operational.
    The Virginia Clean Economy Act is going to impose unnecessary burdens on ratepayers and hamper economic growth. Shutting in natural gas generation is completely wrongheaded as is the blind opposition to SMRs and nuclear power in general.
    The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that, adjusted for inflation, natural gas prices are the lowest in 35 years and it is abundant. SMRs are too costly mainly because of permitting and red tape. There is an unrealistic fear of nuclear energy which isn’t going to go away without a lot of education.
    As Linus famously said, or maybe it was Charlie Brown, we have met the enemy and it is us!

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      How many other countries besides the US have SMRs been built and operate?

      How many non-US inhabited islands have installed SMRs to replace their imported diesel fueled generators who produce at twice at what grid-based natural gas electricity costs?

      If other countries and the world’s islands were using SMRs and the US not, then yes, a problem with regulation. Otherwise, why are there few if any SMRs around the world?

      1. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O’Keefe

        Once again you miss the point and make an irrelevant comment.
        SMR are an emerging technology that is hampered by excessive regulation and unreasonable concerns over risk.
        I am not advocating for any specific technology. Only a level playing field and an objective assessment of VCEA.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Bill, in fact, the opposite of regulation , huge subsidies:

          “NuScale ends Utah project, in blow to US nuclear power ambitions”

          ” In 2020, the Department of Energy approved $1.35 billion over 10 years for the plant, known as the Carbon Free Power Project, subject to congressional appropriations. The department has provided NuScale and others about $600 million since 2014 to support commercialization of small reactor technologies.

          NuScale had planned to develop the six-reactor 462 megawatt project with the Utah Associated Municipal Power Systems (UAMPS) and launch it in 2030, but several towns pulled out of the project as costs rose.
          .
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          “NuScale said in January the target price for power from the plant was $89 per megawatt hour, up 53% from the previous estimate of $58 per MWh, raising concerns about customers’ willingness to pay.
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          So far, only NuScale’s SMR design has been approved by the NRC.
          The public U.S. money for NuScale was awarded through a non-competitive funding vehicle that came before the energy and climate bills passed during the Biden administration.

          https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nuscale-power-uamps-agree-terminate-nuclear-project-2023-11-08/

          1. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            If SMRs cannot compete on a level playing field, they won’t be commercialized. My point is that the risk adverse regulatory process is adding unnecessary costs.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            I know you think that Bill, but I’m asking you that with a dozen or more other countries involved in
            SMRs including China if you think that all the other countries are also hurting SMR development
            with THEIR regulations? What do you think? Regulations around the world are hurting SMRs?

          3. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            How much data do you have on development costs in other countries? My comments and knowledge is limited to the US and are supported by an abundance of analysis–eg the Technology Review article that I provided you.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Bill, the only data I got is 1. other countries have differing regulations. 2. as far as I can tell, SMRs are not coming on line in other countries any faster than this country. BTW, I DID read the WHOLE article in TR , the good, bad, and ugly and it points out the same realities with respect to the current costs of electricity generated by SMRs, way more than other sources and if it does not change, then doomed by competition.

            Finally, to let you KNOW, that I SUPPORT SMRs but they do need to be more modern than the 60 yr old nukes and hopefully safer so they can be deployed more widely. But, FIRST, they have to come online and be competitive.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          What IS relevant is that there are quite a few other countries in the world to include many with lesser regulations and SMRs and still not being deployed beyond one or two. The “regulation” crutch is pretty b bogus IMO. THe US SMR went down not because of regulations but because it’s operational cost per megawatt ballooned higher than other existing technologies.

          I’m ALSO .. NOT advocating for any specific technology but it includes others besides just SMRs to include wind, solar and battery technologies and to include gas, when needed, Any/all that we can move forward and have become part of the grid.

          So I’d challenge your assertion that it’s regulation that is holding SMRs back. Have you read why the existing one was abandoned? If not, do so.

          1. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            MIT’s Technology Review disagrees with you. “There are no SMRs running in the US yet, partly because of the lengthy regulatory process run by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), an independent federal agency”.–https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/08/1067992/smaller-nuclear-reactors/

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            BIll, do you read CURRENT News?

            Like the fact that the only SMR project in the US has shut down?

            AND it was “approved” – not stopped by regulation.

            AND it was heavily subsidized and still could not meet that “market” thing you keep talking about.

            Most inhabited islands pay twice as much for electricity than on continents that native fossil fuels.

            One might think that SMRs would be the perfect replacement for diesel generators on islands.

            Why hasn’t it happened – not only on US islands but all other islands in the world?

          3. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            Larr, did you read the Technology Review article? The fact that NuScale was approved has nothing to do with excessive regulation. But I don’t have the time or interest in teaching you about the cost of regulation or that time is not free.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Bill – from the MIT Technology Review:

            ” Meanwhile, costs are higher than when the regulatory process first kicked off. In January, NuScale announced that its planned price of electricity from the Idaho plant project had increased, from $58 per megawatt-hour to $89. That’s more expensive than most other sources of electricity today, including solar and wind power and most natural-gas plants.

            The price hikes would be even higher if not for substantial federal investment. The Department of Energy has already pitched in over $1 billion to the project, and the Inflation Reduction Act passed last year includes $30/MWh in credits for nuclear power plants.”

            What I’ve said all along is that SMRs are not coming online right away (and I do support them) and unless something changes, they will cost more than twice as much per killowatt hour than gas.

            That’s not a regulatory problem per se. That’s a design/concept problem and market “fatal” without regard to regulation.

        3. The point is that SMRs are the solution to nothing.

  7. No nuclear reactor is going to be built in Virginia. This is just a grift to funnel some money to BWX and its subsidiaries.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      IF these were truly new generation nukes that passively shut down and not melt and able to load-follow, i.e. dynamically adjust output to demand, they might have a chance especially at North Anna or Surrey.

      The idea that SMRs are smaller and potentially easier to locate that bigger nukes – across Va is an idea with big flaws. The same folks who oppose solar farms and data centers would certainly be involved.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Yes, unless they are simply added to the existing Surry and North Anna sites, where there is room and existing transmission, the battle over a location would be epic. I think most around Surry and NA have gotten used to their presence, and of course much growth has happened in those regions despite their presence.

        As to the improved safety of these devices, I’m tired of arguing with you Larry. You are not going to budge if hit over the head with a fact hammer.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          The facts are the facts with regard to their design of the current ones under development. They are more “mini” versions of the big nukes than they are new and innovative technology that actually addresses the shortcomings (and reasons for “epic” opposition) and that is – do they melt down like the big ones might or do they automatically shut down passively so they pose no danger to the folks around them? That counts for everything in terms of where they could be sited. It the only option is to site them at existing nukes – there will be less opposition but they are even less economic than the big nukes at this point.

          If they could follow load – and safely shut down, they garner a lot more support and probably could be sited at other locations.

          Dealing with the realities is not a terrible thing, it’s a real thing we do need to acknowledge and address.

          The ones you seem to be talking about are not the ones on the table right now but instead ones even further into the future.

          Finally, who would be a supporter of SMRs if their power costs more than natural gas? Who would support that? Not the climate deniers, right? So who?

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Natural gas doesn’t grow on trees, ya know. Eventually, the notion of using NG in a house or apartment will have to be abandoned. It’s costly to ship, and large facilities, shipyards, power plants, etc., will need it. At some point, there won’t be enough left for the big boys either.

    1. William O'Keefe Avatar
      William O’Keefe

      The end is near objection has been used for decades and is like the horizon, it recedes as you approach. Let the market and technology determine its future.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Tell me how that works with your gas tank. True that the horizon recedes, but beaches exist. Lot of boats find them too. Captain Sherlock acknowledges a 100 year supply. I have no reason to doubt that number.

  9. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    I pretty much assume Va. elected officials (and in my past NJ) are h0t-dogging on energy, in a manner I do not agree with. They view utilities as a state-mandated profit opportunity for themselves and creation of economy for the state (given industry does not want come here, we have to create jobs ourselves).

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      So there is a problem though. With a monpoly, Dominion is on the hook for reliability.

      Take Texas which has a system of for-profit companies that operate in a market. Who is responsible for grid reliability?

  10. Small Modular Nuclear Reactors are bad, bad, bad. They are failing. SMR projects are being abandoned because of (1) cost, (2) don’t live up to promises, and (3) generate almost as much waste as big reactors.

    But, hey, Republicons love ’em and as a result SW VA will be littered with as many failed, closed SMRs as it now is littered with worked-out coal mines.

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