GOP and Virginia Election Laws, Part II

Sunday “Souls to Polls” voting is legal in Virginia now? Impossible to predict which political party will benefit more from that.

by Steve Haner

With the 2021 General Assembly receding in the rear view mirror, the voting rules for this year’s Virginia elections are set. Republicans who are whining that the deck has been stacked against them are making a mistake. Every change the Democrats see as a benefit to them is of equal benefit to Republicans. 

If your locality is one of those that agrees to open the in-person early voting process on a Sunday, who is to say which churches will load up the buses and fill the line? Every conservative evangelical pastor can now set up a “Souls to Polls” drive, right after the sermon in which a candidate was carefully not endorsed. Why not?

One of the largest mistakes former President Donald Trump made a year ago was his clear message to discourage his own voters from using the no-excuse absentee or other early voting process in their states. He was seeking to manipulate a larger lead in the Election Day overnight counts, which we all knew would shrink or reverse once absentees were counted in the days that followed.

But standing in long lines in the pre-dawn cold is not fun. Add in a pandemic, and quite a few people intending to vote Republican would have greatly preferred the early- or absentee-voting method. Some who feared infection may have skipped voting because of Trump’s bad advice. Maybe many.

If the Republicans in 2021 are not as or more aggressive as the other party in encouraging the alternative voting methods, shame on them. With reasonable time limits, voter verification and firm deadlines, there is no objection to early in-person voting or no-excuse absentees. The rising turnout tide should lift both boats.

By what evidence does one believe that every felon being released from a Virginia prison and returned to voting will vote for Democrats once registered? If Republicans fail to match the other party’s outreach to that newly-enfranchised population, they will be actually throwing away votes. Certainly if only Democrats reach out, that party will reap the biggest advantage.

There is every reason to believe that former felons are just as likely to respond positively to candidates promising lower taxes, less regulation and improved local education. They might be just as worried about crime getting out of control. If Democrats have their way, some of those restored voters will have run afoul of gun laws and be itching to vote against the party that passed them.

Too many Republicans these days would rather complain about the rules than learn to use or even exploit them. The best example remains the aversion to primaries, with the idiot notion that only members of the inner, insular club should be allowed to pick nominees. Republicans pay taxes to cover the coming June 8 primary, which they refused to participate in.

Right now local GOP units are combing their convention delegate filing lists to identify anyone who might have voted in a recent Democrat primary. These are called swing voters, the people who actually determine the election outcome. Republicans keeping them on the outside is all the explanation anybody needs for how Virginia has turned blue.

Credible polling indicates that the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats and even a majority of black Americans, support presenting identification before voting. But Republicans need to be just as aggressive as Democrats in telling people that lack of identification is no longer a bar to voting if you will take the extra time to fill out a provisional ballot.

Do Democrats want absentee ballots with little or no security? Great. Make sure all voters also know that no witness signature is required anymore. Ballot harvesting is way harder to catch without that.

The process of reviewing and “curing” absentee ballot errors has no partisan edge, especially if sufficient Republican activists are inside registrar offices and polling places as volunteers or observers. This is another area where Democratic energy demonstrated in 2020 needs to be matched or exceeded by Republicans now.  The main defense against fraud is that army of trained observers.

Allowing people to register to vote on Election Day itself is another change that will cut both ways if the Republicans are willing to take full advantage. It is still a concern that large numbers of such folks may show up in a busy precinct and back up the lines. There could be mischief, but an equal opportunity for mischief.

From some will come this response:  But we must stand on principle! It would be wrong for us to behave like the Democrats! Pray tell, which behavior of the Democrats worries you? Winning?  The rules are set. Use them.


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45 responses to “GOP and Virginia Election Laws, Part II”

  1. LesGabriel Avatar
    LesGabriel

    Most of your observations make sense for Virginia 2021. The real danger are the provisions of the U.S. House HR1 which would take all election law decision-making for President and Congress out of the hands of states and move them to Washington, DC. This about more than gutting voter ID laws. There are many more nefarious aspects to HR1 and every American citizen needs to read it and contact their Representatives and Senators. I would take issue with your view on same day registration. The waiting periods that states have required are designed to give registrars time to validate the voter information (avoid duplicates, check address information, etc). Same-day registration (and the restrictions on cleaning up voter rolls) would be an open invitation for those who wish to commit voter fraud. And that would favor Democrats.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      re: ” an open invitation for those who wish to commit voter fraud. And that would favor Democrats.”

      How so? Why does it favor Dems?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, if they say that then they feel better about themselves for being pr!cks.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Les: Oh, I hate the idea of same day registration. The way to make the Democrats hate it too is to prove the danger is a two-edged sword. And I agree HR 1 is far more broad and dangerous than the current state of VA law, which was my topic.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        That’s why they have provisional ballots, Steve. A voter can be validated in milliseconds nowadays.

        Now, I’ll admit that I, too, dislike intensely the people whose procrastination puts a burden on others, but procrastination is a rotten reason to deprive someone of their rights.

      2. Matt Hurt Avatar
        Matt Hurt

        Would same day registration allow me to move to a new state on election day, then move back to my old state the day after, and my vote still be legally counted in my state of residence of one day?

  2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    You give a good message to conservative voters and Republican leaders. Stop working against those rules, make those rules work for you. I can recall a number of politicians in Loudoun County who had long political careers with the Souls to the Polls strategy. Sure felons just released from prison might be inclined to vote blue thanks to restored voting rights and legal pot. Promise them restored gun rights and you flip them red.

    The mothership is capturing the early votes. This is a must. Full court press or lights out before election day. We have to score early and often sort of like this guy once did.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SayMvB86OPs

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “I feel great!” His last words. Playing in a pickup game a player asked if he was okay. He said, “I feel great,” and hit the boards. He had an enlarged heart and never knew it.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Secretariat had the same heart issue. The Grinch not so much.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          But, but, when he saw the smiling children, the last words were something along the lines of “it grew and grew”, which one can only hope was his heart. Otherwise, “The Gaetz Who Stole Christmas” would make a lousy title.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Lousy title but great hair. Only place I can grow hair now is out of my ears.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Just keep this among us. Yeah, that started for me when my daughter was in HS. She was sitting on the couch next to me, yelled, “Gross! Don’t move!” She jumped up, came back with tweezers and plucked every hair off my ears. It was great! I’ve kept them that way ever since.

            A friend had a barber who used a large Q-tip with flaming alcohol on it to keep his ear hair in check. The barber would literally flick flaming droplets into his ears. I’ll stick with tweezers and a mirror, thanks.

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        My step dad played high school ball with the Pistol. So I learned so many gimmick tricks, shots, and passes and they worked too. Only way I could get picked for a playground game. Slow and can’t jump but oohh those moves.

  3. Steve, I find your logic impeccable.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Excellent commentary! From Mr. Tarbaby himself!

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Wait? Which one is Mr. Tarbaby?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Well, certainly not James. 😉

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Steve and Matt… made for each other.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    You still ain’t answered my question about a witness on an absentee ballot and what the purpose would be and why it’s reasonable, Steve.

  6. PassTheBuckBureaucrat Avatar
    PassTheBuckBureaucrat

    Disqus must be destroyed

    If you’re going to have voting, forget about the extremist Olympics (primaries) at least make it by ranked choice.

    Disqus must be destroyed

  7. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Nancy, I voted twice absentee by mail last year. As I recall, the Virginia witness requirement is quite simple, does not require a printed name and address, and as such may not provide much protection. It is another individual who can be questioned and held liable to punishment if there is an investigation. (“Be the first to confess!”) If the same person witnesses a bunch of absentees, it is a red flag that a form of ballot harvesting occurred. One problem I personally was aware of years ago, somebody had dozens of absentee applications mailed to their address and them went out recruiting voters.

    That bill Dick pointed to, requiring the witness to provide an address, seemed like a good idea to me.

    Was ignoring you, I admit it, but I also went on the BoE website looking to find anything they might have about it. Just found the reminder that to the overpowering danger of COVID the Terrible the rule has been eliminated. Such horse hockey.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Don’t worry Steve, in Ninnies world he didn’t require a notary or witness to take out a mortgage. Nor did he ever have to provide proof of identity for insurance.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Pssk, pssk,…

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Bogus! It is a tool to invalidate perfectly good ballots save for the lack of a superfluous witness. Voters don’t cheat, candidates do.

      Notary next?

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Nope, just a witness. It is very easy. So easy that the resistance to the idea raises the specter of the intent to deceive…..

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          there is an intent to deceive if one opposes witnesses to ballots?

          I dunno…

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          There is ONLY one way to “harvest” absentee ballots. Without the registered voter’s signature on the outer envelope, the ballot within is worthless.

          So, someone has to convince the voter to give them the signed and still opened envelope. Good instructions, and a signatory line that goes across the envelope flap will go a long ways futher to preventing fraud than a “witness”.

          A simple “Seal Then Sign” is worth a dozen witnesses.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            The thing is that Steve is an election official. He does know how absentee ballots work so I’m surprised at his view.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The back of the envelop should have, at a minimum, the same safety features as a check — wash proofing. The flap should be flat, not pointed. The signature should be across the flap in a box designed to guide the voter to cross the flap as much as possible. Hell, you could include a couple of inches of clear evidence tape to place over the signature and flap. Non-mandatory.

            That oughta do it.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            He has a point. The same witness on all of those NC-9 ballots was more evidence.

            But, now they know, and that won’t happen again. These are clever thieves. So, the value he sees in the witness signature just took a nosedive.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Somebody got a friend.

      Look before sitting.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Although we disagree on absentee witnesses, and the purpose, you are certainly correct that rules being rules should be used equally by both parties.

    But that said, the RPV’s problems are far more fundamental. Your candidates are appealing… to an ever decreasing number of voters. Hell, my Brother has walked away from the party he has supported nearly 60 years, AND he lives with the nutsacks that are the California Democrats. Doesn’t mean he won’t vote Republican, but it means he’s less likely.

    If Chase winds up with the nomination, it’ll be a decade before you recover, more if she should win. She has all of the leadership qualities of a polecat, just what you want to follow.

    BTW, would you please acknowledge Matt. He’s desperate.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The GOP has a core base they represent. By their very nature, expanding it means compromise of the core base principles.. Some of their core base are indeed white nationalists. Others are hard core “textual” Constitutionalists – and compromise is abandonment of principles.

      Basically the GOP says “adopt our principles”, “support our philosophy because it’s right and correct” – as opposed to ” how can we represent wider constituencies and govern according to their philosophies which are more “liberal” than our core philosophies.

      Not making this up. The words CINOs and RINOs are well used in Conservative circles.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Old, white, and getting older and whiter.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          You would be stunned by how much I agree with you. I’m not the only one. But take a look at the full list of present GOP candidates and it is more “diverse” than anything I’ve ever seen. If they nominate three white males they had a chance to do otherwise.

          I love the phrase white nationalist. What pray tell are you guys, anti-nationalists? I make no apologies and know plenty of nationalists that would fit into the other bogus identity-politics categories that the Left uses to divide….

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            White Nationalists are real – they’re not a figment of liberals imaginations. They were present during Jim Crow, and Massive Resistance, and later in Charlottesville and now a significant number who oppose immigration even legal immigration.

            The only real question is how they vote in elections and what party they primarily identify with these days.

            But I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and let Conservatives who disavow them , make that claim.

            If you want to talk about “divide” and “diverse”, – reconcile the Trumpsters and Tea party folks with others who consider themselves long-time conventional GOP. Who, in the GOP is moving “left”? Will we see Chase and Cox mend their differences and unite RPV?

            How will COX win rural Va without moving more to Chase’s policies?

          2. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            White nationalists or white supremacists? You can have the second term and I will agree they are despicable people. Conflating them is a goal of yours, I know, but I’m calling bull$#@ on it.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            So one way to look at this and I’m sure you’l probably vehemently disagree is when white nationalists and similar go to vote – what party do they vote for?

  9. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I could have written this post–that is how much I agree with you. The good politician figures out what the rules are and then uses them to his advantage.

    The new rules benefit the party for which there is a large group of people who have not participated in the past but who may participate now that access is easier. And, if the lawyer for Arizona Republicans and Donald Trump are correct, increased participation will benefit Democrats.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Which is fascinating, because without any doubt Trump was successful because he activated millions of previously disaffected voters, and he did surprisingly well with some natural Democratic demographics. Republicans can and must win with their ideas and their candidates. They can do so with early voting, no-excuse absentee, etc. But they are right to stand up for reasonable protections against fraud, and again I think the Democrats are running a risk when they ignore those things.

      1. Matt Hurt Avatar
        Matt Hurt

        Could not both parties take advantage of the fraud? I’m sure Democrats haven’t cornered the market on shady characters.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          I mean most voters think it reasonable to have some rules. If Dems can be painted as encouraging fraud, it won’t help them, which is why the Rs are going there. But the Rs don’t take my advice so I really don’t waste much time advising Ds.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I think there is no question there is some level of fraud but how big a problem is it and, more important, is it widespread and most often favors one political party so that we identify the “pro-fraud” folks as Dems and the “anti-fraud” folks as GOP?

            Can we: increase access to voting but also tighten restrictions to reduce/eliminate fraud?

            To me – that seems to be a reasonable compromise that both sides could support.

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar
            Matt Hurt

            Everyone has equal access to fraud.

  10. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Here’s another idea. If someone has to wait in line to vote for more than an hour, they get an automatic absentee drop off ballot. Why do we have a system that tolerates these long lines in the first place?

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