God Made Nikki Haley, Too

By Steve Haner

On or before March 5, I will cast a vote for former Governor and Ambassador Nikki Haley for the GOP nomination for president. She edges out Governor and former Congressman Ron DeSantis with me mainly on questions of temperament and foreign policy. I am not an isolationist.

There are six names on that Virginia ballot for the Republicans, and three for the Democrats. There is no reason at this point to believe, or even hope, that the outcome will be something other than victories here for Donald Trump and Joe Biden. If that is the matchup in November, the betting at this point would have to be Virginia’s electoral votes go blue again.

The only person who can stop Trump from winning this nomination (and he has an excellent chance of winning in November now) is Trump himself. It is safe to now conclude that nothing he says or does disqualifies him with enough of his fans. The latest proof comes from a video, apparently made by somebody who literally sees Trump as enjoying the Divine Right of Kings, “God Made Trump.”

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111703421569603715

Trump didn’t make it, but he proudly shared it on his social media outlet.

Blasphemy? Or just arrogance? The idea that God predestined Trump’s presidency at Trump’s birth in 1946 has theological underpinnings, for those who see His hand in all things. But you’d think believing Christians would be repelled by the parallels claimed with the Messiah, the prophets and the anointed kings of Israel. The video sent me looking for a bucket to puke into.

And then a friend I shared it with who has an excellent memory pointed me to an older Paul Harvey production, and it was clear the producer of “God Made Trump” was borrowing (plagiarizing) line by line and image by image from “God Made a Farmer.” There is no credit given to Harvey  that I could find for his beautiful message.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UBj4Rbq3ZI

Hilary Clinton won Virginia by more than 200,000 votes and President Joe Biden by more than 400,000, at 54% a near landslide.

In 2020, Trump was the incumbent with a solid record of keeping or at least addressing many of his 2016 campaign promises, yet his personal behavior and nasty mouth had turned off more Virginians. Our state elections during his term (2017, 2019) were Democrat bonanzas. He then botched the Covid response. But the worst damage he did to the Republican Party brand, and indeed to the republic itself followed that election. January 6, 2021, was the most disastrous self-inflicted wound in American history since South Carolina troops bombarded Fort Sumter in 1861 (the correct answer to the question, what caused the Civil War?)

That Capitol invasion he cheered on should have been fatal. But since then, Democrats knowingly and intentionally have rehabilitated Trump’s political fortunes by abusing the justice system in an attempt to keep him off the ballot. Now they are behaving like frightened tin-pot dictators by trying to totally block his name from ballots, when he has never been convicted of insurrection and indeed no federal court has determined January 6 was an insurrection. (Won’t it be ironic if the U.S. Supreme Court now does so?)

Yes, a second Biden term is terrifying. Voting against him in 2024 will be automatic for me. But a vote for Trump is out of the question, and not really a pressing issue since Virginia’s November outcome is not likely to be even close. For those other states, America needs a choice other than Trump, someone who will avoid the damage he will do to so many other Republicans down-ballot.  Polling now is next to meaningless, but at this point Haley is showing signs she can beat Biden. She deserves the chance to try.  God made her, too.


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141 responses to “God Made Nikki Haley, Too”

  1. Jim Loving Avatar
    Jim Loving

    Good post Steve, and I am a strong never-Trumper. I encourage you to either not vote for the President in 2024, or vote for a 3rd party, or write in another name (former GOP MD Governor Larry Hogan wrote in the dead Ronald Reagan in 2020!).

    I disagree with your charaterization of what is being done in the states in regards to section 3 of the 14th amendment, but agree that even Trump deserves due process and has not been charge with insurrection by the DoJ, BUT, the Constitution does not say convicted, so the SCOTUS has an unprecedented case and their ruling, whatever it is, is going to set a precedent that will be challenged no matter what.

    As many have observed since 2015 about Trump and his personality – he eventually destroys everthing he comes in contact with, and is still working on our Democracy, and system of norms. But, the old Testament does have many examples of a wrathful god (and many believe just), so why not believe that god picked Trump to bring wrath on a sinful Amurca?

    I don’t, but why not believe that vs any other belief from the Bible? It could follow.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      I certainly suspect that the Civil War was a punishment sent by God, for those who see his Hand.

      I think SCOTUS will opine that the 14th Amendment provision does not apply to the presidency. May just stop there if that is the only opinion that will be unanimous. I’ve been curious to look up the Civil War habeas corpus rulings, since that suspension was also based on there being an active rebellion. May be a hint of useful precedent in there.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        The 14th if taken textually would affect a dozen people or so. Small number for which to risk the experiment.

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Lincoln’s stroll down the yellow brick road of suspending habeas corpus is fascinating. One of the first to go to jail was newspaperman Frank Key Howard. Locked up in Fort McHenry for 3 years. No charges. Supreme Court even declared the 1861 suspension unconstitutional but Lincoln just ignored it. Newspaperman Howard was the grandson of Francis Scott Key. The publishers of Howard’s book on his time at Fort McHenry, well they went to jail too.

  2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    In 2016 there were 13 Republican candidates. Trump won. Close though. Rubio was in striking distance. Nationally, I don’t think Nikki has a chance. I am hunkering down for a Biden 2nd term or Obama 4th term.
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_election_in_Virginia,_2016

    1. I was hopeful early on that another candidate would overtake Trump, but am now thinking that’s unlikely.

      At this point, I’m hoping for a good running mate that can one day unite the party. That too may be wishful thinking.

      On the Democrat side, I don’t think the Dems can keep up with the Weekend at Bernie’s type stuff. He’s too old and everyone knows it, but Kamala would be a disaster.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        I feel like that was the purpose of the Newsome debate. Had to test the waters.

  3. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    I am with you on this one!

  4. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    I’d suggest voting for Mickey Mouse, before voting for someone who is just another big Government shill and has suggested using the might of the Federal Government to comply people to do things.

    Gov. Haley will promote and vote for whatever the prevailing winds say, she also despite being the Ambo to the UN has zero foreign policy knowledge. Something which was pointed out by the Pharma Bro running against her.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Haley is behind in the polls down in her home state of SC. Reminds me of Mitt Romney. Empty suit.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “But since then, Democrats knowingly and intentionally have rehabilitated Trump’s political fortunes by abusing the justice system using a Constitutional qualification in an attempt to keep him off the ballot. ”

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Here’s the thing. Why does Trump have so much support, and especially so given the views expressed here about his fitness as POTUS?

    It’s not Trump – it’s the millions of people who see him as
    a proper leader of the country. That’s an undeniable
    inconvenient truth.

    Trump says “hostages” and look at who follows….

    What kind of people admire someone like Trump and see
    him as a legitimate POTUS while the rest of the GOP party
    quakes in their boots in fear of riling up those folks who comprise his supporters.

    No question in my mind that DeSantis and Haley would
    easily/gratefully accept an offer to be VP by Trump… AND would be “loyal” and do whatever he wanted.

    Would Harris be worse than Trump? Harris would be
    guided/supported by her cabinet and administration. Trump would BE the administration across the board with nothing but loyalists doing exactly what he directed. We know that and yet some say he just talks “bad”… that he really has “good” policies.

    barf!

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Works too.

          1. I once used the photo you posted in a parody of the Fluvanna County Seal that I designed.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      I don’t know why you find it hard to understand Trump’s support.

      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/10/06/americans-national-divorse-theyre-wrong-515443

      “The notion of a national breakup has long simmered as a fringe argument, but it is increasingly popular in certain precincts of the political right and has gained at least some traction with partisans of both sides. A recent survey by the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia found that about 50 percent of Donald Trump voters and 40 percent of Joe Biden voters agreed to some extent with the proposition that the country should split up, with either red or blue states seceding.”

      What does that tell you, Larry?

      What does it tell you about the level of faith Americans have in the government?

      Congress’ job approval rating is around 13%.

      To many people, Trump represents the only US national politician who has the chutzpah to take on our corrupt government.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        So bad… that people would CHOOSE a strongman dictatorship? Your 50%/40% misleads in my view.
        The vast majority of Dems believe in the system that we have and disagree with what the GOP is
        doing in places like Texas and Florida… They’re not opposed to the way the USA operates but instead the way that Red states are operating.

        On the other hand, the folks that support the RED states want the US to operate that way or worse to install a strongman dictator type who will disregard laws and Constitution to do what they think best.

        Trump not only has “chutzpah”, many feel he is a psychopath who does not care at all what Democracy is, he openly admires leaders like Putin and other dictators. And apparently those that support him
        actually prefer how those countries under strongmen and dictators operate.

        .

        1. On the other hand, the folks that support the RED states want the US to operate that way…

          To operate what way?

        2. On the other hand, the folks that support the RED states want the US to operate that way…

          To operate what way?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            to operate the way that Texas, Florida and other Red states are operating ….. as Eric outlines…

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Destroyed public school system, deregulation of industry, promotion of a Christian state, zero gun regulations, no same sex marriage, abortion prohibition, prohibit DEI, etc. In so far as the federal govt allows them to, this is what they have instituted in their states. They want to institute it everywhere and to remove the checks placed on them by the federal government to take their initiatives further.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Thank you. I’m not getting comment notices for all comments… so unless I come back to the thread, I don’t see the comment.

      2. Lefty665 Avatar

        Populism had to go somewhere after the Dems kicked their New Deal coalition to the curb in the ’70s in favor of “I’ve got mine Jack, if you don’t have yours you ain’t got merit” elitism.

        Someone had to pick up the pieces and the country club Repubs were not a natural fit for working people. It fell to Trump as an outsider (and former Dem) to pick up the populist flag. That doesn’t mean he’s actually a populist, nothing will ever outweigh his pathological rich kid narcissism.

        It does mean he’s embraced a populist working class base that is estranged from the elitists and fat cats of both parties and who have nowhere else to go politically. That is close to half the country.

        What is surprising is that Trump is attracting substantial numbers of black and Hispanic voters. Some are are fed up with the divisive racist identity politics the Dems are peddling, and some believe in the melting pot vision of hard work and American opportunity.

        What it does mean is that we are in the throes of a major political realignment. That has not happened often in American politics, and it is not likely to be comfortable. It was not easy in 1932 which is the last time populism ascended in American politics, or the time before that in 1896 when populism was defeated.

        It also smells like we are near the end of an aging (bipartisan) regime, much like the Soviet Union at the end. A succession of decrepit old pols cycle through leadership positions until they all die off and a new generation of politicians ascends to take over and revive the country.

        Wonder who our Gorbachev and Putin will be, or if we will be as lucky as the Russians were? It for sure will not be Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Nikki Haley, Gavin Newsom or their ilk unless the gods really hate us.

  7. Did you find one?

  8. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “January 6, 2021, was the most disastrous self-inflicted wound in American history since South Carolina troops bombarded Fort Sumter in 1861”

    Wow.

    I always find it fascinating when the elite are slightly threatened and it becomes a huge tragedy.

    Self-inflicted wounds:

    The Vietnam War. America was not attacked or threatened. 58,220 dead Americans. Totally self-inflicted.

    But if you want to exclude foreign self-inflicted wounds …

    New York City anti-conscription riot of 1863, killed at least 120 people. Totally self-inflicted.

    1992 Los Angeles riots. 63 people dead, 2,383 injured, property damage estimated to be over $1 billion. Totally self-inflicted.

    Atlanta race riot of 1906. Between 25 and 100 killed.

    Tulsa riots of 1921. Between 39 and 300 people dead.

    Memphis riots of 1866. 48 dead.

    Shall I continue with the riots before moving onto the mass shootings? Or, do you get the point?

    Jan 6, 2021 was a miserable chapter in American history. But it was more embarrassing than anything else. A group of unarmed knuckleheads invaded the Capitol and fought with armed police. The only death that day was that of an unarmed rioter.

    Democracy was never seriously threatened that day, regardless of the hyperbole of the elite.

    The fact that a number of Congresspeople may have wet their pants doesn’t come close to the large number of deaths from many US riots and mass shootings.

    1. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      Most people have forgotten the attacks on a Portland Federal Courthouse that went on for weeks, and was extraordinarily violent. Ignoring this and many other violent attacks that were done in 2020 by the media and Left drives me crazy.

      https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/23/portland-riots-read-out-july-23

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        This is exactly the kind of mentality and behavior that gives Trump his support. When ordinary people are killed in a riot, when their possessions are destroyed – it’s no big deal. But when the elites are even slightly threatened (by an unarmed mob), it a cataclysmic disaster just one step below the start of the US Civil War.

        Why? Because there are two different sets of rules in America today – one for the elite, and another for everybody else.

        Trump’s diabolical genius is convincing his followers that he’s not among the elite but rather the leader of “everybody else”.

        What happened on March 1, 1954?

        Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the politicians in Congress from the ladies’ gallery.

        Five Representatives were injured, one seriously.

        Those who screech about Jan 6, 2021 being a day that will go down in infamy ought to try to remember March 1, 1954. A date that has been all but forgotten.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          That date is forgotten because it failed. Trump gets back in the White House, HE will make Jan. 6 a national holiday.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            and “release the hostages” of course… and pardon himself and assert that he has complete immunity for all actions…

            but if you listen to the Trumpsters… he just talks “bad” and has “behavior” issues….

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            If Trump gets back into the White House it will have nothing to do with Jan 6.

            It will have everything to do with:

            a) way too many Americans having lost faith in government, including …

            b) the nomination of an observably senile puppet to oppose him

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            We’d WANT Trump to “re-make” the country into something more like how he operates himself?

            Ya’ll are funny.

            Trump is better than what we have now?

            That’s why you’d vote for him?

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            King Trump Lee Jackson day?

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Those PR “nationalists” were not characterized as hostages or claim to be FBI operatives….or similar garbage that is being promoted by the Trumpsters.

        3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “But when the elites are even slightly threatened (by an unarmed mob), it a cataclysmic disaster just one step below the start of the US Civil War.”

          It is not the Hamptons they attacked, it was Congress with the intent to stop and overturn the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next! Good god man it wasn’t some protest against so-called “elites”!

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            interesting to me how they can’t tell the difference… refuse to tell the difference…

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            An unarmed mob of imbeciles, one dressed like a Shaman, pushed around some law enforcements officers.

            Only one law enforcement officer felt sufficiently threatened to use his firearm.

            Were the rioters dimwits? Yes (like almost all rioters).

            Was it a serious effort to prevent the peaceful transfer of power?

            Be serious.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Boy, Pence and his secret service detail were sure fooled…. 😉

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            It is about intent and it is clear that they intended to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. Whether they were good at it is unimportant. See these pictures. These people did not just “push around some law enforcement officers”. They were in full battle mode. The only thing we are truly lucky about was that they did not bring guns.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e3ddce5953f24ac3d669b2108c1dc14e1d26dcab41a75b2e9d02ce1a5ed2a75.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/598b317f19160ab69aa0a2da00b95da17e90b0873e041a4b416a6d18b3d8a4f2.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e75dc8b75c7a647458bb13b668c6664b880c27c1241f1ebede9c537e0536c9fe.jpg

          5. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Isn’t odd that out of control rioters hell bent on toppling the US Government stayed between the ropes in the Rotunda?
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/568ac76daf099274b440b98a42e281b4bb49a024a4f9edf28f8b068e3e2da307.jpg

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            There are no palm trees near the Capital, you know…

          7. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            What happened at the Capital was a Reichstag fire. You know it. Ask Bowser, Pelosi, Wray, and Burns.

          8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            It was not, James… stick to real history…. smh…

          9. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            No Eric. It adds up. Jan. 6th is the only plank the blue team is taking to Chicago.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            did you forget abortion?

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I know it might not make you feel comfortable but just consider (if you can) that J6 is exactly what the evidence shows it to be – an attempt by a right wing mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power… wouldn’t Dems be derelict if they did not incorporate this fact into their campaign? Sorry, James, your side is responsible for what happened. Condemn it and move on.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            most Republicans and conservatives DID condemn it – then the revision history stuff started again…to catch up with Trump’s version….

          13. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead
          14. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            does it say “Hang Pence” ?

          15. Lefty665 Avatar

            Most looked more like tourist rubes from Kansas gawking at the awesomeness of the Capitol than insurrectionists. If the weather had been warmer they’d have been in shorts. Except of course for the FBI operatives, Gov’t paid infiltrators and agitators. They were on a mission.

          16. Lefty665 Avatar

            FBI Jan 6 reunion. They left their Trunp/MAGA hat disguises at home to save them for next time. Some may even let their hair grow and get non Gov’t issue shades.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5c16e2e4e89e994dadd1672738befc3724502e9d11c190ecda54fd6555812c98.jpg

          17. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            How did he get probation and the other 1,200 have the book thrown at them?

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        No one has forgotten them. We’ve had riots before but comparing them to direct threats to Congress , elected leaders, including the VP is trying to normalize something that is not at all like Portland.

        AND it continues with Trump – who continues his attacks on govt and urges his supporters to continue to take further action!

        Judges, elected leaders, poll workers, and others are not receiving threats!

        Ya’ll talk like Trump has bad breath or something but he “means well”.

        He’s a direct threat to governance of the country!

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          And you call Republicans conspiracy theorists!

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            how many GOP believe J6 was a FBI operation?

            And so, they’d have Trump take over the FBI?

            indeed.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I don’t see the Dems in love with Qanon….

        2. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          This WAS a direct threat on the Federal courthouse. Why are you in denial on that point? It went on for days, not hours, and was very violent.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It was but NOT to the Govt of the US. I’m not in denial about it at all. It did happen but comparing a riot in a town to a direct threat on the Govt of the US is not an honest comparison at all IMO.

            Trying to equate the two is to try to diminish what J6 actually was and was about.

            We’ve had violent protests and riots in towns across the US for decades, and actually centuries – but that’s NOT an attack on the Govt of the Nation and it’s elected leaders and in the context of part of an attempted coup by a defeated POTUS.

            These are not the same at all.

            J6 is a part of an attempted coup – we know that. It’s undeniable to most folks who know the difference.

            Here’s a list of riots and unrest in the US. Tell me which ones tried to overthrow the govt.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States

          2. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            Yes it was, an attack on a Federal Courthouse, Federal Government! Read the article.

            https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/23/portland-riots-read-out-july-23

            And as many have said in the past, the attack on the capital was a riot, but not an insurrection or coup! How many coup’s look like this?

            https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/jan-6-footage-shows-cops-bringing-qanon-shaman-to-senate-floor/

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Not an attack on the US govt and it’s elected legislators.

            The J6 was very much part of a coup – we know that by all the other things that TRUMP
            was doing to stop the vote counting in the States , AND IN CONGRESS, with Pence.

            Would you like me to post the videos of the violence and destruction in the Capitol?

            Do you think, like some significant number do believe, that J6 was an FBI-instigated operation?

          4. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            No, were done Larry.

          5. It was but NOT to the Govt of the US.

            Yes it was.

            Do you also think the Oklahoma City bombing was not an attack on the US government?

            Also, nice job moving the goalposts.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      You cited a Politico story just above that makes my case that the damage done Jan 6 is just now having its impact and the tensions are again as bad as in 1861. It wasn’t the death of people that mattered it was the contempt — from the top — for the Constitution.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        On March 1, 1954 Puerto Rican nationalists shot up Congress while it was in session, hitting five Congressmen. America survived.

        The Jan 6 rioters are dumpster juice in my opinion but let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Trump is the symptom. The widespread corruption of the political elite is the disease.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          If that were true… it’s simply not… we have conspiracy theories and what-a-boutism out the wazoo …

          we’d tear the country down over “elites”?

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Trump corruption is well-known and long-standing. He is clearly not a cure to any such disease.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Please re-read. I said he was the symptom.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            we’d replace the “elites” with Trump? that’s the “logic”?

    3. The only death that day was that of an unarmed rioter.

      And she was killed by a police officer.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        True, but I don’t blame the policeman for that. He had no idea if she was armed or not and she was getting close to the Congressmen from what I understand.

        However, if Jan 6 was really the massive insurrection that is claimed, more than one cop would have opened fire and there would be a lot more dead than just Ashli Babbitt.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          Babbitt was clearly unarmed, as were all the rest of the rioters that day. There were cops in front of her and cops behind her. Lt. Byrd, the plain clothes cop who shot her, was behind cover, she never saw him. That was the only shot fired that day.

          Byrd violated most of the regs on police use of deadly force, and walked away scott free from murder while the mob screams “Insurrection”.

          She should not have been where she was, but that was far from a capital offense.

    4. Chip Gibson Avatar
      Chip Gibson

      Very well stated. Truth matters.

  9. Randy Huffman Avatar
    Randy Huffman

    In my opinion, the love so many people have with Trump can be boiled down to their view that he is an anti establishment candidate. The Federal Bureaucracy has gotten so bad (and many believe corrupt), that people look at Trump as one of the few people to stand up to the system. The main street media and Democrats have gotten so dishonest and agenda driven, that people simply don’t care about Trump’s faults, they want someone to fight back.

    While that view has my sympathy, I do not plan to vote for Trump in the Primary, I’m with Haner and most of what he said in his article (except I still have not decided between Haley and Desantis). I am hopeful that for the good of this country we have a choice other than a Biden-Trump match up all over again. If that is the case, this country is going to be in for hell over the next 5 years. However for me, a vote for Trump over Biden is an easy choice as the least worst candidate.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      I completely agree with you, although in a Biden / Trump re-match I might write – in Jim Bacon. I’ve done it before.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Like I said, this country in some folks view is so bad off, they’re choose a strongman dictator type to “fix” it in his own vision!

        Apparently, you and Mr. Randy think that also or else you’d support him openly?

        This country is the strongest one on the planet both economically, militarily and governance… People from all over the world are trying to leave their country to come to this one.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          It’s all cool. We missed the beginning, but there’s a good chance we get to see the end.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Like in movies, the end of empires is always more interesting than the begining anyway.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Exactly! Bring on the dancing girls!

        2. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          We are nowhere as strong today as we were decades ago. Bill Clinton with a Republican Congress were a much better than what we have now.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            We may or may not be, we are still the strongest in the world and we have folks running around spouting conspiracy theories and willing to turn the country over to someone who would turn it into something like we see in 3rd world dictatorships.

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            A conspiracy theory … like Trump will end democracy in America and become dictator for life.

            Really?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            J6 is not a conspiracy theory.

            Nor are his words about what he plans to do if re-elected.

            You say he “talks bad”. I say, listen to his words and believe him, he means what he says”. He has a record for that.

          4. He will almost certainly further damage democracy in America and the institutions needed to sustain democracy. We have already seen him do it. You are usually one of the clearest thinkers on this blog, but not here.

        3. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          When 50% of Republicans and 40% of Biden voters show at least some support for the country splitting up – I’d say it’s a bit more than “some people” who are seriously upset.

          You want to pretend those people don’t exist. You want to ignore them. Hillary Clinton thinks of them as deplorables. The Obamas think of them as as intellectual slaves to guns and God.

          They are the base of Trump’s support.

          I would vote for Manchin, DeSantis, Hailey, Mark Warner or even Jim Bacon before I’d vote for Trump.

          But not Biden.

          No way.

      2. Randy Huffman Avatar
        Randy Huffman

        Perhaps a third party candidate might become very tempting, but I have my doubts it will seriously materialize.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Manchin!

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            I’d run to the polls to vote for Manchin over Biden or Trump. Hell, I’d run barefoot over glass to the polls to cast that vote.

          2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            The last time a third party candidate disrupted an election we ended up with an associate of Jeffrey Epstein.

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Slick Willy has the emotional maturity of a fraternity boy and the morals of a gutter snake, but … he wasn’t a bad president.

          4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            GHW Bush would have been a great 2nd term president. H. Ross screwed up that election. Imagine a world without Hillary and Bill.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar

            Or without Duhbya and Cheney.

          6. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            The old conspiracy theory I used to hear is that H. Ross had a deal with Hilary that Perot Data Systems would get the healthcare data contract if Hilarycare happened to pass.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I don’t think you can really count Jill Stein as a “third party candidate”…

          8. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            “I feel your pain”….

          9. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            So they say “Many voters believe Perot cost Bush his reelection. The general consensus among election experts is that it’s impossible to know. ”

            Then “Given the progressiveness of the Green Party, it’s extremely likely that most of the Greenies would have voted for Gore, giving him the Sunshine State victory.”

            Then they say ” It may be fair to assume that if Stein had not been on the ballot, Clinton would have beaten Trump.”

            FWIW, I’ve known a few people who did vote for Perot. They regretted that vote and would NOT have voted for Clinton.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            not sure the point ” a few people who did vote for Perot. They regretted that vote and would NOT have voted for Clinton.”

            if you do something like that – is there a real point to it? It’s actually worse than staying home and not voting at all, right?

          11. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Point is that they probably would have voted for Bush if they knew Perot wasn’t going to win.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            yes. I don’t “get” 3rd party voting… don’t understand what the motives are of those that do it…because the best that it can do is pervert a normal election process.

          13. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I do get 3rd party voting, there are a number of voters who are disheartened by both major parties.

          14. LarrytheG Avatar

            right… but what does it actually do in terms of getting someone elected or not? It’s a wasted vote
            that can disrupt a legitimate election.

          15. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Can’t be any worse than writing in “Mickey Mouse”.

          16. Disrupt a legitimate election? What does that even mean?

          17. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I don’t think you can really count Jill Stein as a “third party candidate”…

          18. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Didn’t say Stein.

          19. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well, she was the only “third party candidate” involved with the last election that ended up with “an associate of Jeffrey Epstein” as President…

          20. With Haley as VP?

  10. Lefty665 Avatar

    Your aversion to Trump and Biden is right on. But encouraging Haley, a certified neocon loon, is jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

    After our last 20+ years of disasters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Gaza, why anyone would let the neocons near the drivers seat is beyond comprehension. We haven’t had enough fun yet? How many foreign policy debacles does it take for us to decide to try another way?

    I voted 3rd party in ’96, ’16 and ’20 because I could not stand to support the Rep/Dem candidates and refused to succumb to the evil of two lessers extortion. Looks like the country is coming around to agreeing with me.

    OTOH, the 3rd party folks this year have to come up with a candidate who is appreciably better than Biden/Trump. It’s a commentary on the state of American politics these days that is not a slam dunk.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Anybody is better than Biden / Trump. But …. Trump is better than Biden.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I thought you said you voted for him first time?

        If you think he is better then why wouldn’t you vote for him this time?

        doesn’t seem logical… that you say he’s better…. but………

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          I love these guys, Larry. I really do. They’ve a really distorted view of America right now.

          Unless he’s a complete buffoon, the average American has just had the two biggest pay raises he’s seen in 10 years. His boss gave him those raises because for the first time in 10 years, he can walk out on Friday and on Monday be hired for more money.

          The cost of stuff went up, sure, but his new paycheck well covers that increase. Moreover, gas is actually cheaper.

          And these guys think it’s trashed and pulling for a recession that TFG, their hero, is praying for.

          Of course, I did qualify my rosy picture for non-buffoons.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            used to be revisionist history about the past…. now.. it’s yesterday……… real-time… a different reality.
            Trump trained them good!

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Is January 6 the new Lost Cause…? Soon they will want to put up statues commemorating it and claim it as their heritage (that is really not hyperbolic, unfortunately)..,

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I LOVE IT! Revisionist Yesterday! 10 points.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Is January 6 the new Lost Cause…? Soon they will want to put up statues commemorating it and claim it as their heritage (that is really not hyperbolic, unfortunately)..,

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            yep. It’s become part and parcel of Conservatism these days. J6 is not what it really was, nope… it was merely a peaceful gathering much less violent and Congress in session is no different kind of place than Portland.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            These guys DON’T see Trump as a dire threat to the country at all despite what he did when he was POTUS before.

            Indeed, they blather on and on about “elites”, “deep state” and just plain outright conspiracy theories and what-a-bout-ism as the reason why someone like Trump NEEDS to disregard Constitution and Law to set things right.

            The “logic” is truly baffling.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            It is not just baffling, it is exasperating that they would put him back in power after the last dumpster fire. Revisionist history is never good for our country. If Biden did or said 1/100th of what Trump does, he would be run out of Washington on a rail. Instead, Biden has been steady, true, diplomatic, and has led us successfully through some very difficult times. He is demonstrably better on many levels than Trump and a second Biden term will be far better for our country than a second Trump term. To even suggest anything different is (at best) lunacy.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            Oh, Biden is going to be impeached for what they “suspect” but have no proof… indeed.

            yes.. It’s like these folks were in the crapper the whole time Trump was “governing”….

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well, that is where Trump kept all the important documents after all…

      2. Lefty665 Avatar

        Not sure how I’d rate Haley/Newsom, but I’m not sure it would be better than Biden/Trump.

        Dunno how we got to this horrid state of affairs, but we have.

      3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        No, he is most certainly not.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          and the thing is , the folks that say they’re not voting for Trump but an alternative… they’ll likely go vote for Trump if they think he will lose.

          IOW, they actually do support Trump but they don’t want to admit it and you can tell when their “complaint” about Trump is that he talks “bad”… instead of actually admitting – he’s a dire threat to our Constitutional form of govt.

          1. they’ll likely go vote for Trump if they think he will lose.

            No, they will likely vote for Trump if they think Biden will win. There is a difference.

            If the democraps put a decent, moderate, candidate on their ballot to run against Trump, I would vote for that person. Ideally, the repugnicans would put a decent, moderate candidate on their ballot and I could happily vote for that candidate.

            Neither of those things is likely to happen, so it looks like I’ll be writing in my own name – again.

          2. they’ll likely go vote for Trump if they think he will lose.

            No, they will likely vote for Trump if they think Biden will win. There is a difference.

            If the democraps put a decent, moderate, candidate on their ballot to run against Trump, I would vote for that person. Ideally, the repugnicans would put a decent, moderate candidate on their ballot and I could happily vote for that candidate.

            Neither of those things is likely to happen, so it looks like I’ll be writing in my own name – again.

  11. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    “Judge: “Could a president who ordered SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached … be subject to criminal prosecution?”

    Trump lawyer: “If he were impeached and convicted first.”

    Judge: “Your answer is no?”

    Trump lawyer: “My answer is qualified yes.”

    1. Depends on the context……

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        arguing absolute immunity, right?

  12. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Ha. DeSantis ripped off Paul Harvey before Trump’s people did. All the more reason to laugh at Trump’s attempt and prefer Haley.

    https://twitter.com/CaseyDeSantis/status/1588539069243473924

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Vote Republican. Any authoritarian ethno-nationalist will do. It’s been good. It’s been real. But it ain’t been real good.

  14. Charlie Potatoe Avatar
    Charlie Potatoe

    She is a Female Sammy Glick, the odious Character created by Budd Schulberg, in “What Makes Sammy Run?”, the notorious novel of a Hollywood heel, who only thinks of himself and cheats and lies in order to get what he wants.
    No way she wins.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      You’ve described the Republican Party.

  15. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I sincerely hope you get your Nikki. Of course, it won’t be Nikki v. Joe then. But no matter who she winds up running against, she’ll have Trump hanging around her neck like a stinking dead albatross .
    Do you really think he’ll lose a primary with more grace than 2020?

    BTW, Trump is back to birtherism… on Nikki.

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