Glenn Youngkin. The GOP’s Red Vest Savior?

by Kerry Dougherty

To properly judge the level of disillusionment after Wednesday’s GOP debate, get a load of this bright red headline on Drudge Thursday:

That teases to a Washington Post opinion piece, “GOP Donors Yearn For a Trump Alternative. They Think They May Have Found One.”

According to Post reporter Robert Costa, high-roller Republican donors are meeting in two weeks at the Cavalier Hotel for a two-day closed meeting dubbed, “Red Vest Retreat.” The well-heeled donors assured the writer that the money is there, the only question is whether the governor is willing to jump in.

Some of the biggest Republican donors in the country will converge next month at the historic Cavalier Hotel in Virginia Beach for a two-day meeting to rally behind Gov. Glenn Youngkin. The closed gathering, named the “Red Vest Retreat” after the fleece Youngkin wore during his 2021 campaign, will begin Oct. 17 and be focused, officially, on the Republican effort to win full control of the General Assembly in Virginia’s upcoming elections. But unofficially, several donors tell me, it will be an opportunity for them to try to push, if not shove, Youngkin into the Republican presidential race.

It’s worth remembering that the Cavalier is Virginia Beach developer Bruce Thompson’s baby. In 2013, Thompson was Terry McAuliffe’s Hampton Roads finance chair. In 2021 he switched sides, serving as Youngkin’s state campaign finance chief.

The choice of venue for this political retreat is no accident.

News reports claim that billionaire Rupert Murdoch is a strong Youngkin supporter. No indication yet if Murdoch will be visiting our fair city next month.

A national game of political chess is underway. With poll after poll showing that most Americans do not want a Biden/Trump rematch and Biden’s approval ratings plummeting, power brokers in both camps are strategizing for last-minute top-of-the-ticket switcheroo.

Gavin Newsom is circling Biden like a hungry wolf eying a limping lamb. There are persistent rumors that Michelle Obama could be a last-minute substitute should Biden tumble down Air Force 1 steps again, wet his pants in public or if the feds frogmarch Hunter away in handcuffs.

Sure, Trump’s national poll numbers are rising, but only as the empty old husk of the president stumbles from gaffe to gaffe. A fresh new face on the Dem side could radically change the equation.

Many Virginians were stunned when Youngkin, Winsome Sears and Jason Miyares were elected to the top three jobs in what Democrats believed was a deep-blue commonwealth. The House is in Republican hands and Youngkin is working tirelessly to flip the state Senate.

If Democrats are left speechless and sad by even more Republican gains when the sun rises on November 8th, Youngkin will be the Republican party’s poster boy for success.

The winningest GOP politician in the country.

After a series of disappointing national election results, a sea change in Virginia might prove that a Republican with the sunny optimism of Ronald Reagan can bring independents and moderate Democrats into his common-sense fold. At that point, finding a way to parachute Youngkin into the primary race may prove irresistible.

Youngkin’s meteoric rise from successful but largely unknown businessman to the first Republican governor of Virginia since Bob McDonnell was elected in 2009 was historic.

Like his predecessors, Youngkin may find it difficult to remain relevant when he leaves the Governor’s Mansion in 2025 due to Virginia’s one-term-governor rule.

Yet a close look at his gubernatorial campaign, where he did nothing to alienate Trump supporters while keeping the former president at a distance, is an object lesson in winning.

The Post article speculates that Youngkin recoils from the notion of a bare-knuckles fight with the pugnacious Donald Trump who mercilessly attacks anyone who opposes him.

‘There are some around Youngkin who say the prospect of relentless attacks from the GOP front-runner could be what keeps him on the sidelines, with one person close to him saying, “Glenn cringes when he thinks about what Trump would do.”

Yet Youngkin’s tough but good-natured demeanor would only highlight the former president’s worst traits: his nastiness, vulgarities and name-calling.

By refusing to sink to Trump’s level, Youngkin might be a balm to voters weary of ugly, partisan politics. His parents’ rights platform has broad bipartisan support, his pragmatic approach to abortion and his willingness to work with political opponents (remember when he presented the humorless Democratic ringleader Louise Lucas with his trademark red vest?) might be just what America needs.

Keep an eye on the Cavalier next month. The Red Vest Retreat might offer some surprises.

Republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed and Unedited.


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107 responses to “Glenn Youngkin. The GOP’s Red Vest Savior?”

  1. Wahoo'74 Avatar

    That would be terrific. Gov. DeSantis has a very impressive record, but these debates and national exposure show he lacks the warmth and personality a presidential candidate must have. The rest of the candidates have no prayer overtaking Trump.

    Gov. Youngkin was CEO of Carlyle Group, one of the world’s top private equity firms, prior to becoming Governor. He knows how to run a business, motivate people…..and balance a checkbook. Youngkin has Trump’s business experience while also possessing a winning personality, unlike Trump.

    He is the best candidate to run as the Republican candidate. Youngkin may also be the party’s last chance since a Democrat would no doubt demand “immigration reform” which Dems define as granting their 4+ million illegal immigrants US citizenship, ensuring them permanent power.

    1. VaPragamtist Avatar
      VaPragamtist

      Youngkin is proof that business acumen doesn’t always translate to an ability to run a government. Private sector and public sector are two different animals.

      But I’d vote for him for president, if only to get him out of Richmond.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I believe you just described “The Peter Principle”.

        That you ascribe to him that his highest level of total incompetence would be the presidency means there is a small chance he may still do something approaching competent in his remaining time.

      2. Not Today Avatar

        Up until…I’d vote for him for POTUS…you had me.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Co-CEO. For a little while before they made the other guy THE CEO. That says a lot.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Outflanked at Carlyle and then elected governor. He clearly has learned something from transforming defeat into victory in a blue state. That says a lot too.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          When he ran for governor, he ran on his Duke basketball record and his father’s misfortune at losing his job when he was a teen. He did not run on his Carlyle career. He hardly mentioned it. It was a huge gap in his resume (a gap that big is usually associated with incarceration).

          Carlyle Grp was the subject of more than a couple of scandals and SEC investigations in the decades he was there, especially in the part of the business where he worked. If he runs for president, some Politico reporters are going to climb up the Carlyle canal.

          Fishing expeditions are all the rage nowadays.

          1. DJRippert Avatar

            Fishing expeditions are apparently popular on Bacon’s Rebellion too … Youngkin went to Rice, not Duke.

            And, more importantly, he’s not senile.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            His father went to Duke. Oops. You’re right. He went to Rice on a scholarship (needed because Rice and Norfolk Academy tuition is soooo vastly different) where he learned valuable skills on the court to bring to the governorship (his ad) and where he averaged one point per game.

          3. DJRippert Avatar

            Ha ha – he didn’t play much.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Didn’t learn much either.

          5. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Boy you are not kidding! Only 30% FG shooting and 42% from the foul line. I must say, I had the pleasure of busting on hook shot on Vernell “Bimbo” Coles, VT’s only Olympian, during a late night pick up came in the War Memorial Gym. He dared me to do it again. So I did. Score! Next pick up game, Bimbo picked me up as one of the five. I didn’t have to wear skins, got to keep a shirt on. That was cool!
            https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/glenn-youngkin-1.html

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Are you saying that Youngkin has a string of bankruptcies in his past along with a conviction of committing business fraud?

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        If Youngkin gets the nomination, he will not be running against Trump. He will be running against a man who is an inveterate liar, a probable crook (more to come on that), and senile to boot.

        The Dems have a huge problem with Joe Biden.

        Biden might beat Trump. But any other credible candidate (including Youngkin) will beat Biden.

        The Dems only hope is for Trump to be the nominee.

        Or, to get rid of Biden.

        You Dems need to “man up” and get Biden off the ticket. It might be somewhat embarrassing but it needs to be done.

        Nominate somebody like Mark Warner and you walk away with the presidency.

        I really don’t want to have to choose between Trump and Biden again.

        1. Agree that a Biden Trump rematch is a disaster, 3/4 of the country (including Dems) does not want that either. But Mark Warner, Nooooo. We have in office the example of a president without a brain. Doubling down on that with Warner would be a disaster. He’s affable enough, but a dim bulb. His ill starred campaign years ago as a “radical centrist” was an oxymoron, and the emphasis was not on oxy.

          In preparation for Senate Intelligence Committee hearings on Russian interference in US elections several years ago Warner announced he was preparing, not by learning about election interference, but by reading Russian novels. With leadership like that we don’t need enemies.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Kudos to DJ for actually making a suggestion on who he thinks would be better than Biden. I am curious, given all your “they are both terrible” rhetoric, what D would you vote for over Trump? Purely academic question, mind you…

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Who in heck would WILLING CHOOSE a person who has said he will rid the govt of anyone who is not loyal to him… try the Joint Chiefs guy for treason and execute… go after Judges and prosecutors he disagrees with, and basically turn the US into a dictatorship? That ain’t no alternative to Biden or any other candidate… it’s a fundamental abdication of basic citizen responsibility to protect and preserve Democracy and the basic rule of law, IMO.

          3. You did not directly ask me, but I would vote for Rep. Jared Golden of Maine or Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia over Donald Trump in 2024.

            I would also consider Sen. Angus King of Maine. He is technically an Independent but he caucuses with the democrats. He’s got the same age issue as Joe Biden – he is only a little more than one year younger than Biden. More importantly, though, he is at least lucid and aware if where he is at all times.

            If the race comes down the Biden v Trump I will write in my own name – or possibly Calvin Coolidge.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I didn’t but thanks for answering nonetheless!

    4. DJRippert Avatar

      More importantly, he’s not senile.

    5. LarrytheG Avatar

      re: immigration.

      As far as I know, ANY immigrant that makes it over the border is ENTITLED BY LAW to a determination of asylum. It’s the current law
      and been in place since Trump was POTUS and had both houses of Congress.

      In fact, Biden did implement a rule that immigrants had to go through a registration process on a phone app and stay in Mexico until called or else they would not only be sent back but not allowed back in 5 years

      It was working but the courts ruled he overstepped his authority.

      Many if not most of the immigrants these days do not come from Mexico.. they come from Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cubans, Haitians! People get plane tickets to Mexico!

      If the GOP could do things besides shutdowns and bogus impeachments..just fund more Asylum Judges or change the law so the phone APP is legal. and Biden and the Dems rejected it then we could blame them legitimately but right now anyone who sets foot on US soil is entitled to an asylum and determination by law and years long backlogs to get a determination.

  2. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Oh Lord …

  3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “…Biden’s approval ratings plummeting…”

    Hyperbole much…?

    Not great but not “plummeting”.., https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a62e294ef45104a7eea924a3f761dc1321f5fac2114f32602bbb3e1bac289a7.jpg

    1. And some of those who disapprove are on the left and would never vote for Trump. Does anyone think that Trump will receive more than 47% of the vote in 2024 general election?

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        He might. I wouldn’t be happy with another 4 years of Trump but that’s how I’d have to vote if it came down to him vs Biden.

        During COVID Biden was kept under wraps during the election.

        For the last two years, Biden has been out in the spotlight for everybody to see. He’ll be in the spotlight for the next two years in the runup to the election too. This will include a grueling campaign with no COVID-related excuses to avoid being on the campaign trail.

        Go watch some of Biden’s own speeches and impromptu comments from 20 years ago. He’s not the same man. He’s in a serious state of mental decline.

        It’s not going to be pretty and you know it.

        Will it be ugly enough for Trump to win?

        Maybe.

        Then what are the Democrats going to say over the four years after the next election if he does win?

        You know he’ll continue to go downhill, but at an accelerating rate.

        Like the late, great Diane Feinstein (and I really liked Feinstein in her prime). But the last few years …

        Keeping Biden in office from 2024 – 2028 will be elder abuse.

        1. That one is willing to vote for Trump because one does not hold Trump to the same standards that one wants to hold all other candidate has never made any sense. Trump is basically incoherent at his rallies in 2024 and yet, no one cares.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            I’m no Trump fan, but my impression of his stump speech is that it pretty effectively conveys his message.

            Incoherent is demented old Bribem wandering off into mumbles or telling the same made up stories several times.

            Got my fingers crossed neither of them will be on the ballot next year.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          IF or when Biden goes down, his administration , his aides and cabinet will continue on with whoever comes next.

          They not going to dismantle the govt and appoint loyalists.. and in general tear down govt and Democracy nor try to turn the country into a strongman dictatorship – would be my guess.

        3. He’ll be in the spotlight for the next two years in the runup to the election too. This will include a grueling campaign with no COVID-related excuses to avoid being on the campaign trail.

          Not if he declares another Covid shutdown. I’ve heard the “Election Year” variant is going to be quite dangerous…

    2. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      You picked 30 days, go back to 2021 (MAX), and they have plunged.

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Plummeting” is a present tense verb… last 30 days is perfectly valid. Plummeted in 2021 is definitely not the same thing… hence the “hyperbole” comment…

        1. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          I suggest you provide links and references in charts you post in the future so people can judge for themselves and not have to go dig for them.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Or, you can understand tense.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            I predict if Trump becomes the GOP nominee, More than a few Republicans will vote for Biden.

          3. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            Trump has a ton of baggage, but Biden does too. Trump lost because Independents went for Biden who claimed he would govern in the middle, but he didn’t. So what you say could cut both ways, plus always a possibility of a third candidate.

            Independents don’t want either to run, perhaps they will get their wish. No votes have been cast yet….

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Biden doesn’t talk about hanging people and charging them with treason and similar though. And Biden is not a psychopath. Old yes. But not dismantling govt and replacing them with loyalists or accusing judges and threatening prosecutors. With Biden, it’s his administration. Even if he were
            to falter or go away, there are reasonable people maintaining a stable govt.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I doubt you know any of them, or even communicate with one on a daily basis. At best, it’ll be a down-ballot vote.

          6. DJRippert Avatar

            I think more independents and centrist Dems will vote for Trump.

            Trump might moderate his narcissism (unlikely, but possible).

            There’s nothing Biden can do about his decline.

            The president is falling apart, Larry.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Trump: We can actually dampen our forests with water that costs us nothing that will come pouring down. If you had dampened floors, you wouldn’t have forest fires”

            A sign of decline or par for the course…?… take your pick….

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            sounds like to me he’s giving it a pretty good shot talking about Trump charging the Joint Chiefs of Staff with Treason and hanging him.

            And the Maga crowd…a gift to Biden making his points.

            No Dem in his right mind and hopefully no independent with half a brain would vote for a psychopath who threatens judges and prosecutors and others who he says are “against” him.

        2. DJRippert Avatar

          Even from your 30 day chart, it looks like his approval rating dropped 2 points in a month.

          So, a 24 point drop in a year.

          Sorry, Eric but that’s plummeting in any tense.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Here is the one year chart. Where do you see a 24 point drop? Now you are being hyperbolic. That actually looks pretty flat with maybe a slight downward trend… not plummeting.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0000112d4764e3704f2a471dd5c5d5bab7d3a67a713516f2f5049a9b4ffb69b2.png

    3. DJRippert Avatar

      This was over one month? How about clicking that one year button?

  4. The question to ask is whether Youngkin would criticize Trump and how will Youngkin respond when Trump starts insulting him, his family, and the people around hi.

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      If Youngkin can’t take the heat of a blustering buffoon criticizing him, he shouldn’t run for president.

      1. None of the current Republican candidates seem to be willing to take the heat except the vanity candidate of Christie.

  5. Randy Huffman Avatar
    Randy Huffman

    What level of disillusionment? I saw 2, possibly 3, candidates on that stage that I will pick from and vote for in the Primary (undecided at this moment between them) that should be able to win. If Trump gets the nomination, I would pick him any day over Biden. I do like Youngkin, but not sure this is his time and hate to lose him in the Governors office.

  6. I stopped caring what Drudge has to say many years ago.

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      He doesn’t actually say anything. He just cuts and pastes URL leading to articles written by others.

      Only in America.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Red Vest Retreat! Strategic withdrawal by other words.

    At least they had the good sense not to call the mega-donor gathering in VB the “Red Fleece Retreat”. Trump would sue.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      In seven weeks the state legislative elections will make or break his national rep. But Trump’s path to the nomination is getting smoother so I doubt Youngkin will be jumping in, even if the R’s win both chambers.

      1. Not Today Avatar

        Which they won’t. Unpaid federal employees and contractors are about to be mad as hornets.

        1. DJRippert Avatar

          And the 90+% of Virginians who have nothing to do with the federal government (except, perhaps to loathe it) will be snug as bugs in a rug. Even the federal employees are guaranteed, by law, to collect back pay. Free vacation? And that’s going o make them hornets? Maybe you don’t know many federal employees.

          Beyond that, NoVa – home of the federal employees and contractors – is so blue that no national issue will changes the vote there.

          1. Not Today Avatar

            The *myth* of the free vacation ignores the second order effects of the feds borrowing to pay for a shutdown *interest must/will be paid* and the cost of the youngest and most vulnerable federal employees (needed to replace the old codgers dying/retiring left and right) being out of commission and unable to pay bills in expensive locales. Did you consider them or no? Their student loans won’t wait to be paid until the shutdown is over.

          2. Not Today Avatar

            The *myth* of the free vacation ignores the second order effects of the feds borrowing to pay for a shutdown *interest must/will be paid* and the cost of the youngest and most vulnerable federal employees (needed to replace the old codgers dying/retiring left and right) being out of commission and unable to pay bills in expensive locales. Did you consider them or no? Their student loans won’t wait to be paid until the shutdown is over.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The shutdown would halt funding for Agriculture Risk and Price Loss Coverage programs, known as ARC and PLC. These programs provide protection to farmers in the event of substantial revenue or commodity price drops. No funding means no payments to farmers.

            Good thing the nation’s farmers were all in NoVa.

          4. Not Today Avatar

            Are they, are they REALLY separate from it? As a major driver of the economy in the most prosperous, disposable income-heavy locales, do you REALLY believe that or is it just what you’re telling yourself to make it OK?

          5. DJRippert Avatar

            Who is the “they” that are separate from “it”?

            The last shutdown I remember lasted 35 days. Almost nobody noticed. Two months after the shutdown ended it was never discussed again.

            What will change in “driving the economy”?

            The same people will still get paid. They will buy food, go to movies, etc. Nothing changed economically during any of the last shutdowns.

            The person in denial is you.

            Nobody cared the last time the federal government shut down and nobody will care this time either.

          6. Not Today Avatar

            You’re a peach. There are contractors who don’t get paid if they don’t work. There *IS* no back pay for them. As long as you’re good, all’s well! WOOT! Happy for you. The tailspin is real. Military spouses who actually manage money know it. So happy you’re good. Also happy there are REAL military folks who care and advocate for ALL.

            Republicans worked overtime to spread the federal workforce into flyover country. They’re about to experience the impact of that spread.

          7. DJRippert Avatar

            My father was in the military for 20 years as I grew up.

            Please don’t lecture me on life in a military family.

          8. Not Today Avatar

            I’m not lecturing. I am informing. What happened then is not what is happening now and your childhood understanding of events and issues is not that of an adult.

          9. DJRippert Avatar

            If you believe that military pay has declined, in real terms, from say 1970 to today, I would love to see the evidence of that.

            That should be a front-and-center issue in the upcoming presidential election.

          10. Not Today Avatar

            I didn’t say it declined in real terms from the 70s because the 70s were already inadequate. Find a new metric/measure. No one in the military ranks today (besides flags) was even alive in the 70s. That era, immediately after the draft, is completely irrelevant. You’re 20 years older than me…literally…and have no current military experience. The best place for you to find info on this topic is militarytimes.com. Expectations have changed, as they should. I *WANT* my kids to do better than me. Do you?

          11. DJRippert Avatar

            “I didn’t need to decline in real terms from the 70s because the 70s were already inadequate.”

            Bingo.

            So, why wouldn’t my recollections of living in a military family where the father earned “inadequate pay” while the mother stayed home to take care of the kids while Dad was on cruises be relevant?

            It was a bit tough growing up. I clearly remember that – whether you believe it or not.

          12. Not Today Avatar

            Because your recollections are that of a CHILD that never lived through MULTIPLE government shutdowns.

          13. Not Today Avatar

            20 yo experiences viewed with a child’s lens are not what’s happening now. Things change. Always advisable to adapt and update your skills/knowledge. Our kids don’t know the half of what we think, feel and discuss. They are equally ill-prepared to discuss our lived experiences.

          14. DJRippert Avatar

            You’re funny. I’m 64 years old and I run the AI part of a successful software development business. 100% non-federal customers.

            I think I am just fine at adapting and keeping my skills updated.

            I also don’t know what basis you have to think that military pay was any better in the 1960s and 1970s than now.

            Maybe you have some evidence of that. If so, I’d like to hear it.

            Personally, I think military members get a raw deal from the US.

            There was a bill working through Congress that would have guaranteed the lowest paid military member a salary equivalent to $15/hour. You know, what a brand new burger flipper gets in some states.

            Made sense to me (although I would have preferred $17.50 or $20).

            But the bill is stalled because of some extraneous garbage added to it that the Dems and Repbs can’t agree on.

          15. Not Today Avatar

            You may well be perfectly capable of keeping the skills related to *YOUR* career updated. NOT the military. Always good to stay in your lane of expertise.

          16. Not Today Avatar

            Your age/professional experiences AS AN ADULT have nothing to do with your awareness of military/federal pay issues today. Military pay when my grandfather was supporting kids was, according to my grandma, ‘unprintable’, but that was then. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect her assessment of the situation. I am *well* aware of Republican obstructionism in Congress WRT the military as, I imagine, are most thoughtful people connected to the issues/people who serve. They consider their own circumstances FIRST. I am not prepared to excuse whataboutism when food pantries in/around bases are about to get hit, hard. Find a can and donate.

          17. DJRippert Avatar

            You’re having a hard time staying on track.

            You wrote, “Always advisable to adapt and update your skills.”

            I explained that I do just that.

            I don’t know what your point about your Grandmother means. If military pay was terrible then and it is terrible now, I think you’re making my point about it being terrible when I was growing up too.

            You are right that it was the Republicans that torpedoed the defense bill with a bunch of culture war nonsense.

          18. Not Today Avatar

            Nope, no trouble at all. You adapted *professionally* …YAY YOU!… not on *THIS ISSUE*. Like many of those who’ve come before, you think tangential experience, childhood anecdotes, are effective substitutes for lived adult experiences. They’re not. I care about FAMILIES and KIDS who will be hurt by this RIGHT NOW…yet again. DO YOU?

          19. Not Today Avatar

            You may well be perfectly capable of keeping the skills related to *YOUR* career updated. NOT the military. Always good to stay in your lane of expertise.

          20. DJRippert Avatar

            You told me that it is, “Always advisable to adapt and update your skills.”

            I agreed.

            Were you somehow trying to communicate with the military with that comment instead of replying to me?

            If so, I apologize. I assumed that your reply to my comment was …. well, a reply to my comment.

          21. Not Today Avatar

            I have no idea what you’re talking about right now. Military personnel constantly update *relevant* skills. You’re trying to apply decades old, childhood experiences to a current event with which you seem to have limited experiences. If I’m incorrect, pls. share how.

          22. DJRippert Avatar

            When you wrote, in reply to my comment – “Always advisable to adapt and update your skills.”

            What did that mean?

          23. Not Today Avatar

            I meant that if you want to comment/use your experience as a milKID as evidence, it should be CURRENT if you’re trying to use it to comment with authority on current events. If your experience is not current (as is my kids’, which I acknowledged/know is also limited b/c they don’t know what Dad and I know) then it’s irrelevant and not worth mentioning.

          24. DJRippert Avatar

            I guess we just won’t agree. You don’t think that my memories of growing up in a military household are relevant to what it is like to grow up in a military household today.

            I disagree.

            While current experience is more relevant than past experience I don’t believe past experience is totally irrelevant.

            Do you feel the same way when Joe Biden rambles on about his hardscrabble upbringing in Scranton? You know, during the Corn Pop gang wars.

            Biden left Scranton when he was 10.

            Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about Biden’s impoverished childhood:

            Beginning in 1953 when Biden was ten, the family lived in an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, before moving to a house in nearby Mayfield.
            Biden Sr. later became a successful used-car salesman, maintaining the family in a middle-class lifestyle.

          25. Not Today Avatar

            Nope, we won’t. I do not equate a CHILD’s recollections in much less turbulent times than my own. Biden is irrelevant in that discussion. Nice try.

          26. Not Today Avatar

            Nope, we won’t. You grew up in a VERY circumscribed time/era (with my parents). My kids have few things in common with you. Biden’s experience/info as POTUS and as Commander in Chief and VP far exceeds mine, yours, and every other keyboard warrior on this site. You’re flailing and it shows.

          27. DJRippert Avatar

            If my recollections of growing up in a military family don’t mean anything because I was a child – why do Biden’s repeatedly told recollections of growing up in Scranton mean anything?

            Do you discount all childhood memories or just when you are arguing with someone?

          28. Not Today Avatar

            Maybe b/c he’s managed to become POTUS and keep abreast of NATIONAL goings on and you haven’t? Just a guess. STAHP dude, this is a losing effort on your part. I lurv my Dad too but he’s lost a step or two.

          29. Not Today Avatar

            Maybe b/c he’s managed to become POTUS and keep abreast of NATIONAL goings on and you haven’t? Just a guess. STAHP dude, this is a losing effort on your part. I lurv my Dad too but he’s lost a step or two.

          30. Not Today Avatar

            I have said this before and I will say it again…AS POTUS…he has access to and is briefed on more information than you or I will ever know about the way this country functions and the threats to its existence. BIDEN IS IRRELEVANT in this discussion. He (and his advisors, are more competent than ANY of Trump’s) knows what he knows from a life well lived and hard fought. The question here is DO YOU know anything current, of import? If you want to discuss the experiences of milKIDS, past and present, I will listen all-day, everyday…about KID STUFF. If not, no.

          31. Not Today Avatar

            I have said this before and I will say it again…AS POTUS…he has access to and is briefed on more information than you or I will ever know about the way this country functions and the threats to its existence. BIDEN IS IRRELEVANT in this discussion. He (and his advisors, are more competent than ANY of Trump’s) knows what he knows from a life well lived and hard fought. The question here is DO YOU know anything current, of import? If you want to discuss the experiences of milKIDS, past and present, I will listen all-day, everyday…about KID STUFF. If not, no.

          32. Not Today Avatar

            I have said this before and I will say it again…AS POTUS…he has access to and is briefed on more information than you or I will ever know about the way this country functions and the threats to its existence. BIDEN IS IRRELEVANT in this discussion. He (and his advisors, are more competent than ANY of Trump’s) knows what he knows from a life well lived and hard fought. The question here is DO YOU know anything current, of import? If you want to discuss the experiences of milKIDS, past and present, I will listen all-day, everyday…about KID STUFF. If not, no.

          33. Not Today Avatar

            I have said this before and I will say it again…AS POTUS…he has access to and is briefed on more information than you or I will ever know about the way this country functions and the threats to its existence. BIDEN IS IRRELEVANT in this discussion. He (and his advisors, are more competent than ANY of Trump’s) knows what he knows from a life well lived and hard fought. The question here is DO YOU know anything current, of import? If you want to discuss the experiences of milKIDS, past and present, I will listen all-day, everyday…about KID STUFF. If not, no.

          34. Not Today Avatar

            I have said this before and I will say it again…AS POTUS…he has access to and is briefed on more information than you or I will ever know about the way this country functions and the threats to its existence. BIDEN IS IRRELEVANT in this discussion. He (and his advisors, are more competent than ANY of Trump’s) knows what he knows from a life well lived and hard fought. The question here is DO YOU know anything current, of import? If you want to discuss the experiences of milKIDS, past and present, I will listen all-day, everyday…about KID STUFF. If not, no.

          35. NOT TODAY: You’ve been off topic for hours, and you show no sign of getting back to it. Telling other commenters only your opinion is valid is not engaging in useful dialog. Comment on the posted article and stop belittling other commenters, or prepare for a week’s vacation from posting.

          36. Not Today Avatar

            I never said, “only my opinion is valid” but I take your point. Expressing my opinion with confidence tends to make people uncomfy.

          37. Not Today Avatar

            The *myth* of the free vacation ignores the second order effects of the feds borrowing to pay for a shutdown *interest must/will be paid* and the cost of the youngest and most vulnerable federal employees (needed to replace the old codgers dying/retiring left and right) being out of commission and unable to pay bills in expensive locales. Did you consider them or no? Their student loans won’t wait to be paid until the shutdown is over.

          38. DJRippert Avatar

            What? One recent federal shutdown lasted 35 days. Nobody outside of the DC Metropolitan area cared. In fact, those of us in the DC Metro area who have nothing to do with the feds were thrilled. The traffic was finally bearable.

            The cost of borrowing for a shutdown? The same people will get paid the same amount if the shutdown happens or not. And given the tempo of federal work, it might take 10 days after the shutdown to catch up.

            And the youngest most vulnerable federal employees? The credit unions up here are ready and willing to lend any federal employee the value of their paycheck until they get paid for the time off. They’re advertising that on the radio.

          39. Not Today Avatar

            The first (which is really saying something about Republicans) shutdown I recall, WE DIDN’T LIVE IN THE DC AREA AT THE TIME AND STILL DON’T. I paid attention because I have always handled our finances and we cared, dude. Widen your lens. The first shutdown I recall is when my DH was a junior enlisted person. The loan we got from the bank/credit union wasn’t the equivalent of his paycheck. We didn’t get the bonus we were counting on. IT HURT. NOT EVERYONE BANKS WITH A FEDERAL CREDIT UNION either. Shocker, I know. We banked with Wells Fargo at the time. It STUNG. The second time we banked with a federal credit union and the Coasties, as I recall, were excluded. maybe get out of your bubble?

          40. DJRippert Avatar

            DH? Designated Hitter?

            Given the number of government shutdowns there have been, maybe banking with a federal credit union would be a good idea for federal employees. Or putting aside some money in anticipation of the next government shutdown.

            This isn’t the first rodeo.

            I’m sure it’s inconvenient and worrisome for federal employees.

            Just like it’s inconvenient and worrisome when non-federal workers get fired, laid off or find out their employer has suddenly gone bankrupt.

            Only nobody is going to pay them anything for the time they missed from work.

          41. Not Today Avatar

            Is this something you encourage federal recruiters to mention as they try to hire young college graduates to fill the roles retiring lifers are leaving in droves? Even as they compete with private sector employers who have higher pay and no such issues?

          42. DJRippert Avatar

            No, I’d focus on the generous guaranteed benefits pension that will be paid no matter how badly the federal government destroys the US economy.

            Why will it be paid?

            Because the schmucks from the private sector praying that their 401(k)’s hold up will pay the taxes required to guarantee the federal pensions.

            Did you notice that the S&P500 was down 5% this month? Of course, none of our federal leaders like Yellen, Biden or Powell care. Their retirements are secure.

            People who work for the federal government know what they are getting and what they are not getting. One of the things they are going to get is the occasional two-weeks to one month shutdown where they will have to wait to get paid.

          43. Not Today Avatar

            LOL…srsly…tell me you’re old w/or telling me you’re old. No one under 40 counts on a pension. It’s not a thing.

          44. DJRippert Avatar

            Why would you think there will be no military pensions in the future? Do you feel the same way about all federal pensions?

          45. Not Today Avatar

            Because private sector pensions have been decimated, military pensions for those younger than DH have been decimated, and there is no end in sight? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN for the last 20 years?

          46. DJRippert Avatar

            What do private sector pensions have to do with government pensions?

            Private sector pensions have to be financed through a pension fund. Public sector pensions are funded through taxes.

            I see no way that public sector pensions will be eliminated.

            Do you really think Congresspeople will vote to kill their own pensions?

            Do you believe that Social Security will stop too?

          47. Not Today Avatar

            You tell me, you brought it up.

          48. DJRippert Avatar

            Guaranteed payment pensions are a benefit of federal employment. You asked me about what recruiters should say to prospective federal employees. I answered.

          49. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Just block Not Yesterday Mr. DJ. The poster is not interested in serious debate.

          50. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I think you are right. Rather than answer it, she downvoted my question where I asked her if Charlottesville has all the positive attributes of the west-coast big cities which also have a homeless problem.

          51. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The shutdown would halt funding for Agriculture Risk and Price Loss Coverage programs, known as ARC and PLC. These programs provide protection to farmers in the event of substantial revenue or commodity price drops. No funding means no payments to farmers.

            Good thing the nation’s farmers were all in NoVa.

          52. DJRippert Avatar

            Until the shutdown ends, in two to four weeks.

            It’s been fun debating you. You’ve changed my mind somewhat.

            More people will be hurt by the shutdown than I originally said.

            It’s getting late.

            I’ll talk to you again. Perhaps tomorrow. buy Not Today.

        2. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Contractors who work for any decent company will continue to be paid, just as they are when the contract ends and they’re “on the bench” finding a new position (been there, done that, several times).

          In any case, due to careful management of my finances for many, many years, I’m not living paycheck-to-paycheck so I’m not screwed if I don’t get one, even for many months.

          There’s always the possibility that the contract ends, I’m on the bench, I can’t find anything new, and I get laid off. I have prepared for that possibility.

    2. Would not that term more aptly apply to the Biden payments from China?
      I mean, being red and all. And which Biden? Well, apparently a lot of them.

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