Gender and Race Quotas for School Discipline?

by Hans Bader

Does anyone seriously doubt that boys misbehave more than girls in school? Until recently, no one would have disputed that, as surveys of students show that boys get into fights at twice the rate girls do. In those same surveys, conducted by the National Center for Education Statistics, Blacks say they get into fights at more than twice the rate Whites do on school grounds.

But the nation’s Democratic attorney generals either don’t know about, or don’t believe, these surveys. Instead, they seem to believe that every racial or sexual group misbehaves at exactly the same rate. Every single Democratic state attorney general in America — all 24 of them, including Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring — recently cited the higher discipline rates of Blacks and boys, as causes for alarm, in a May 24 letter to the Education Secretary and U.S. Attorney General.

The letter urged the Biden administration to reinstate and expand the Obama administration’s school-discipline guidance, which encouraged schools to suspend Blacks and Whites at the same rate, to target not just statistical disparities based on race, but also disparities based on gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.

The attorney generals complain that civil-rights “data has long documented disparities based on sex, with male students facing exclusionary discipline at significantly higher rates than female students.” They also complain that “‘Students of color as a whole, as well as by individual racial group, do not commit more disciplinable offenses than their [W]hite peers—but [B]lack students, Latino students, and Native American students in the aggregate receive substantially more school discipline than their [W]hite peers.’”

This latter sentence claiming that “Students of color … do not commit more disciplinable offenses” is a quote from a misleading report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. But that claim was not true. Indeed, as The Washington Post noted in 2019, “One set of data referenced in the report showed the opposite.” The Civil Rights Commission’s chairwoman at the time, who is now President Biden’s nominee to head the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, “pointed to a few spots” in the Commission’s report to “claim that there are no underlying differences in student behavior. But those citations did not offer such evidence,” said The Post.

Yet the Biden administration repeated the Commission’s false claim about students of color not committing more offenses, in a June 8 notice published in the Federal Register. That notice likewise cited the Civil Rights Commission’s “‘finding that: Students of color as a whole … do not commit more disciplinable offenses,’” in a “Request for Information” to the public about school discipline policies and how the federal government should regulate them.

But surveys of students by the National Center for Education Statistics show big differences between boys and girls, and Blacks and Whites, in terms of how often they get into fights on school grounds. For example, in 2015, 10.3% of boys, and 5.0% of girls, said they had gotten into a fight on school grounds in the last 12 months. And 11.4% of blacks did so, compared to 5.2 percent of whites. (See National Center for Education Statistics, Indicators of School Crime and Safety: 2016, pg. 87, Figure 13.2 (race), pg. 89, Figure 13.3 (gender)).

Thus, boys get into fights at over twice the rate girls do, and Blacks get into fights at more than twice the rate that Whites do.

Various socioeconomic reasons may explain why black students get into fights at a higher rate. As the liberal Brookings Institution pointed out in 2017, “black students are also more likely to come from family backgrounds associated with school behavior problems” including “single-parent families.” Blacks are more likely to live in poverty, which is linked to more misbehavior in school, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. It noted that serious “discipline problems” were much more common in schools with many poor kids than in schools with few kids in poverty, and frequent “verbal abuse of teachers” occurred at nearly five times the rate there.

Real world data also suggests males misbehave more than females: 92% of the U.S. prison population is male.

Because misbehavior rates are not necessarily the same for different racial groups, requiring schools to suspend all racial groups at the same rate is considered an illegal racial quota. In 1997, an appeals court overturned a rule requiring a school district not “to refer a higher percentage of minority students than of white students for discipline unless the district purges all ‘subjective’ criteria from its disciplinary code.” It ruled such “racial disciplinary quotas” are illegal, and “violate equity in its root sense. They entail either systematically overpunishing the innocent or systematically underpunishing the guilty.”

Even if misbehavior rates differ, differences in discipline rates can also result from other factors. Racism could also play some role in higher black discipline rates. A 2017 study looked at the Louisiana schools, where black students are suspended at much higher rates than whites for both intra-racial fights, and interracial fights. The study found no racial bias in discipline for intra-racial fights, but did find that “black students receive slightly longer suspensions after interracial fights.” In short, it illustrated that both racial differences in rates of misbehavior, and racism by school officials, played a role in differences in discipline rates for Blacks and Whites — although differences in misbehavior rates appear to have played by far the larger role than racism. (See Nathan Barrett, et al., Disparities in Student Discipline by Race and Family Income (Education Research Alliance, 2017)).

On the other hand, a 2014 study in the Journal of Criminal Justice concluded that higher black suspension rates are entirely due to higher rates of misconduct among blacks, not racism. (See John Paul Wright, et al., Prior problem behavior accounts for the racial gap in school suspensions, Journal of Criminal Justice, Vol. 42, pp. 257-266).

Hans Bader is an attorney living in Northern Virginia. This column was published originally in Liberty Unyielding.


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31 responses to “Gender and Race Quotas for School Discipline?”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Looks like it continues into the Armed Services too:

    ” An Air Force inspector general review into racial disparities found widespread differences, year after year, in how Black airmen are treated as opposed to airmen of other races.

    The investigation, which the Air Force released Monday, studied how Black airmen are affected by law enforcement apprehensions, criminal investigations, military justice, and administrative separations. It also reviewed which career fields Black airmen tend to be placed into, promotion rates, professional military educational development, and leadership opportunities.

    The result, said Air Force Inspector General Lt. Gen. Sami Said, is clear: Across the board, and consistently over time, Black airmen were disproportionately negatively affected in each category, as compared to their overall representation in the Air Force.

    The report that resulted found that enlisted Black airmen were 72 percent more likely than their white counterparts to receive non-judicial punishments from their commanding officer, and 57 percent more likely than white service members to face a court-martial, the report said.

    Young Black enlisted airmen are almost twice as likely as their white counterparts to be involuntarily discharged for misconduct. And Black airmen are 1.64 times more likely to be suspects in Office of Special Investigations criminal cases, and twice as likely to be apprehended by security forces, the report said.

    These results confirm the findings of a report the military advocacy group Protect Our Defenders released in May, which found the military justice system disproportionately punished Black airmen”

    https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2020/12/21/consistent-widespread-racial-disparities-hurt-black-airmen-ig-study-finds/

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Looks like it continues into the Armed Services too:

    ” An Air Force inspector general review into racial disparities found widespread differences, year after year, in how Black airmen are treated as opposed to airmen of other races.

    The investigation, which the Air Force released Monday, studied how Black airmen are affected by law enforcement apprehensions, criminal investigations, military justice, and administrative separations. It also reviewed which career fields Black airmen tend to be placed into, promotion rates, professional military educational development, and leadership opportunities.

    The result, said Air Force Inspector General Lt. Gen. Sami Said, is clear: Across the board, and consistently over time, Black airmen were disproportionately negatively affected in each category, as compared to their overall representation in the Air Force.

    The report that resulted found that enlisted Black airmen were 72 percent more likely than their white counterparts to receive non-judicial punishments from their commanding officer, and 57 percent more likely than white service members to face a court-martial, the report said.

    Young Black enlisted airmen are almost twice as likely as their white counterparts to be involuntarily discharged for misconduct. And Black airmen are 1.64 times more likely to be suspects in Office of Special Investigations criminal cases, and twice as likely to be apprehended by security forces, the report said.

    These results confirm the findings of a report the military advocacy group Protect Our Defenders released in May, which found the military justice system disproportionately punished Black airmen”

    https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2020/12/21/consistent-widespread-racial-disparities-hurt-black-airmen-ig-study-finds/

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Life in general, Larry. It carries on into life in general.

    2. WayneS Avatar

      You’ve posted this several times. What’s your point?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        My point is that it mirrors what is happening in the schools and it gets ignored as related. And I’ll continue as long as they continue with their single-minded points.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Got it! When someone wants to write about discipline in the public schools, they must also write about discipline in the military, or face your tedious and repetitive ire.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Nope. But to ignore it when there are clear connections is wrong.

            it boils down to whether or not one really wants to know or is just interested in a narrative that satisfies their own wants and biases IMHO.

            Is there a connection between discipline issues in K-12 and discipline issues in the military on a per race basis?

            Do we want to know that? Do we want to understand more about it and if there are some things in common?

            Or not?

            Clearly, some folks have one narrative in mind and are not interested in others – AND they want to repeat it over and over thus my response.

            Got that? If it REALLY bothers you, your cursor does work. no?

    3. David Bither Avatar
      David Bither

      While it may greatly reduce the topics you comment on, you should try to discuss something of which you have more than limited knowledge. UCMJ and the military promotion system for officers and NCOs is not one of them.
      Since UCMJ actions involving Asians and Latino officers and enlisted are percentage wise less than for blacks, there is a stronger possibility, using common sense, to suggest blacks commit infractions under UCMJ at a higher rate that other groups. To assail the military justice system of prejudice, you’d have to convince yourself that black commanders who have prosecutorial and judicial authority under UCMJ are biased against black service members. Also, all judgments under UCMJ are reviewed both administratively and legally. That chain of review would also have it in for blacks which if you believe that you probably can’t be helped.
      The promotion system is based on a point system, years served, and other objective criteria. This is reviewed by a promotion board made up of blacks, Asians, Latins, and dare I say…a dreaded white person. The president of the board is astonishingly, a command officer and can be of any ethnic group. Promotions rates are reviewed at several levels to ensure they are as fair as impartial as possible.
      To believe there is the mythical “systemic racism” in UCMJ and the military promotion system means you’re a good candidate to believe COVID came solely from bat caves.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        The reason I provide LINKs Mr. Bither is to show that it’s MORE than MY OPINION. Got that?

        It was not me that did the Air Force Report – it was Air Force leaders including folks more than familiar with your foolish and ignorant UCMJ blather.

        You’re citing YOUR VIEW as if it negates what the Air Force study – with folks far more experience than you – did find.

        Do you think that if you were in the military than you know the UCMJ anymore or less than a civilian knows the civilian Law? Did you work directly with the UCMJ?

        I don’t claim to have direct knowledge but I do read – a LOT – and I form my views based on facts that I find as I read – like the Air Force Report, yes. So I’m not citing to you what I believe – I’m citing to you what the Air Force actually said and that’s why I provide the link.

        Are you more of an expert than the Air Force Inspector Generals on the UCMJ?

        Settle down fella – unless you actually are a SME, you’re just another guy with his own view and citing others supposed ignorance and not your own. If you ARE a legitimate SME, my apologies, if not then you might need to.

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I really wish Mr. Bader would provide links to back up his assertions. Where does it say that schools are being required “to suspend all racial groups at the same rate”?

    Most of the research I have read regarding student discipline cite Blacks getting punished, or punished more severely, for the same behavior for which white students either do no receive punishment or receive more lenient punishment. Here is one example of that research:

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/disproportionality-in-student-discipline-connecting-policy-to-research/

    Mr. Bader even refers to some of that research in Louisiana, but then dismisses it.

    1. Actually, Hans submitted a plethora of links to sources. I just didn’t have time to embed them this morning. My apologies.

    2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      So why are boys suspended so much more? Does this not point to systemic misandry?
      If the logic holds true that race disparity equates to bias or racism why not the same logic with sex/ gender indentity?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        It has long been contended that the very structure of “school” sets girls up for success and boys up for trouble. Nothing new there.

        1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
          Baconator with extra cheese

          So where is the call to end systemic misandry in our educational system?
          Especially when the disparity is huge?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well, I suppose the advantage afforded women in the classroom has been inconsequential compared to the advantage afforded men in other parts of academia and the professional world.

    3. WayneS Avatar

      “Most of the research I have read regarding student discipline cite Blacks getting punished, or punished more severely, for the same behavior for which white students either do no receive punishment or receive more lenient punishment.”

      Whenever/wherever that is going on it needs to be stopped.

      However, it is ridiculous for officials of the federal government to declare an evenhandedly-enforced disciplinary policy unlawful simply because it results in persons of a particular race being overrepresented (from a percentage of population standpoint) in punishments under that policy.

      1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
        Baconator with extra cheese

        Sounds like a case where mandatory punishments should be enacted. Take out the chance to lay down uneven punishment.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Is anyone declaring it “unlawful”? I thought they are asking if it is being applied equally and fairly without regard to race?

        no?

        1. WayneS Avatar

          “Is anyone declaring it “unlawful”? ”

          Yes. Yes they are. Apparently, you did not read the May 24 letter signed by AG Herring.

          This is from the May 24 letter, referring to a previous letter: “The 2014 Dear Colleague Letter provided a framework for the Departments’ investigations of racial discrimination related to student discipline.8 The Letter defines unlawful discrimination to include (1) “if a student is subjected to different treatment based on the student’s race” or (2) “if a policy is neutral on its face – meaning that the policy itself does not mention race – and is administered in an evenhanded manner but has a disparate impact, i.e., a disproportionate and unjustified effect on students of a particular race.”9 This definition is crucial for students across the country because, while the first form of discrimination— intentional discrimination based on a student’s race—has long been recognized as unlawful, the second form of discrimination—disparate impact discrimination—was
          less well recognized and not often prioritized before 2014.”

          So, no, they are not simply “asking if it is being applied equally and fairly without regard to race”.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You’re right but I bet I know WHO did read it! 😉

            sounds pretty tenuous…

            ” .. while the first form of discrimination— intentional discrimination based on a student’s race—has long been recognized as unlawful, the second form of discrimination—disparate impact discrimination—was
            less well recognized and not often prioritized before 2014.”

            sounds bully pulpit-ish

  4. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    We need to discuss the disparate amount of males incarcerated in Virginia.
    There is no way one can explain that males just “happen” to be more violent of break more laws than females without admitting to systemic misandry.
    In 2015 there were 35,167 males and just 3,236 females in Virginia’s prisons. Clearly a disparate impact and a blatant indicator of systemic misandry.
    No reasonable person who believes that genders are a social construct can not see and admit to this social justice issue.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      especially mass killings… eh?

      white guys?

    2. so you’re limiting yourself to only two genders… how 1990s of you!

      1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
        Baconator with extra cheese

        The states data is limiting. I had my driver’s license changed to non-binary. I now crap in the bathroom with the shortest line. And self declared myself into a protected class. I suggest all men go to the DMV and declare non-binary.

  5. WayneS Avatar

    Will Asian students be required to draw lots to see who gets suspended?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Kamakazi?

  6. tmtfairfax Avatar
    tmtfairfax

    Mark Herring is an incompetent lawyer. He’d sign anything to appear woke, at least until he’s decided that he’s run his last race for public office.

    There seem to be real issues with the level of discipline between black and white boys in school. And many a male will claim that many teachers gave girls a pass, but generally the claims are made when the boy has been caught doing something wrong. But in all honesty, boys are less well-behaved in school, most especially elementary and middle school.

    What I take real offense at is making Asians either “Students of Color” or “Honorary White People” depending on the argument. That is about as racist as anything, treating an entire race of people as fungible depending on the need of the proponent of the argument.

    In order for civilization to continue we need to operate at a level higher than journalists and bureaucrats.

    1. I think the official term for Asians these days is “white adjacent.”

      1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
        Baconator with extra cheese

        I would suggest whites are Asian adjacent

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      We keep trying to make this about Virginia. This is going on across the country and also in the military.

      It’s not about one AJ or one state.

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