Full Throttle for I-95 Expressway Project

Hopefully, there will be fewer days on I-95 that look like this.

The McDonnell administration has entered into a comprehensive agreement with 95 Express Lanes LLC to build roughly 29 miles of express lanes on Interstate 95 in Northern Virginia. Construction will begin early next month and is scheduled for completion in late 2014.

The I-95 express lanes will tie into the Capital Beltway express lanes already nearing completion, creating one of the largest networks of tolled expressways in the country. Arguably, Virginia is conducting the most significant experiment in subjecting a regional highway system to supply-and-demand economics anywhere in North America.

The $925 million project will expand existing express lanes and add new ones over a 29-miles of length of I-95 in Fairfax, Prince William and Stafford counties. Drivers will pay a toll that will vary according to the level of traffic in order to avoid congestion on the free lanes. Express lanes will remain open for buses, van pools, motorcycles and high-occupancy vehicles, and 95 Express Lanes will add 4,300 parking spaces to new or expanded parking lots to make it easier for commuters to shift to buses.

“The 95 Express Lanes combined with the nearly completed 495 Express Lanes will bring a transportation network that manages congestion efficiently, saving time and better connecting commuters with some of Virginia’s most important employment centers and military sites,” said Transportation Secretary Sean T. Connaughton in a prepared statement released late this morning.

In theory, the project should be well received. First, it will take only $71 million in public subsidies, a far smaller sum than other mega-projects approved by the McDonnell administration. And second, it will expand options. No one is forced to use the express lanes. Drivers can continue to use the old lanes as before. Indeed, insofar as the new lanes divert traffic from the old lanes, drivers will enjoy somewhat reduced congestion at no cost to themselves. Meanwhile, the project will expand the bus option and allow anyone who is in a hurry or who otherwise places a high value on his or her time to pay to use the express lanes.

It’s anybody’s guess how the project will influence human settlement patterns. By reducing the unpredictability of travel times for marathon commutes, the project could foster sprawl by reducing the pain of driving long distances. Conversely, the shift of growth and development back toward the Washington region’s urban core could dampen demand for expressway tolls below what project partners Transurban DRIV and Fluor Enteprises have forecast. Transurban has already announced one write-down in Virginia, an investment in the Pocahontas Parkway outside Richmond, because expected residential growth never materialized.

The 95 Express partnership will provide $854 million in funding, of which $3oo million will be backed by federal TIFIA guarantees. The $71 million contribution from the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) will be less than the original estimate of $97 million, due to lower-than-expected financing costs at closing. Tolls will be collected electronically using the E-ZPass, including the new E-ZPass Flex , eliminating the need for toll booths.

The concession will extend 76 years. 95 Express will assume the risk of delivering the project on time and on budget. The project will pay to beef up the Virginia State Police presence on the Interstate to reduce HOV violators.

Among the questions not answered in the press release:

  • What happens if traffic volumes and toll revenues do not increase as planned? Does the state have any exposure?
  • To what extent is 95 Express protected from competition? Are VDOT’s hands tied in any way from making improvements to U.S. 1, which runs parallel to I-95? Is the state limited in the support it can provide to van pools and buses, or the extent to which it can promote Transportation Demand Management programs?
  • How will the project change traffic patterns in the I-95 corridor? Will new congestion hot spots arise, and how much will it cost the state, if anything, to ameliorate them?

— JAB


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  1. larryg Avatar

    of the lesser recognized benefits is the replacement of dozens of overpasses and interchanges, some of which are 50 years old.

    the money from doing this would likely not been readily available as soon.

    on the “sprawl” aspect. It probably remains to be seen but as long as there are moms and dads who want to raise kids in a single family home, there are going to be commuters to exurban areas like Fredericksburg and the more of them that carpool, vanpool and take buses, the better.

    I-95 is not going to go away. HOT is the best of the bad choices and it will be a boon to out of state drivers trying to get through the Wash/Md/NoVa region.

  2. Larry, excellent comments. Fairfax County supervisor John Foust has recognized “the replacement of dozens of overpasses and interchanges, some of which are 50 years old” as an important benefit. I agree.

    Re sprawl. Sprawl means the costs for building school, fire, police, library, etc. capacity are not borne by taxpayers in Fairfax, Arlington, etc. I like that. I’ve asked a few of my smart-growth friends about this, but never seem to get a good answer in return. I worry about my real estate tax bill not carbon emissions.

  3. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Tolls are taxes. I find it fascinating how people who claim to be libertarians can slip so easily into wealth redistribution schemes. If you have a job in Northern Virginia and live in Fredricksburg you will be taxed to drive on reasonable roads. If you live in Fluvana County and commute to a job in Charlottesville you will not be taxed to drive on reasonable roads.

    Either put tolls everywhere or put them nowhere.

    Soon, it won’t matter. The cuts in government spending (particularly defense) will put hundreds of thousands of Virginians out of work. Meanwhile, the “tax the job holders to subsidize the slackers” philosophy in VA has created a deplorable quality of life in the areas of Virginia with the highest educational level among the citizens. When the jobs go so will the well educated citizens.

    I assume that Jim has some delusion that Richmond will once again be the cock of the walk when NoVa and Tidewater collapse from the cumulative effects of state government mis-management. It won’t. Without the jobs and funds from a redistributive state government Richmond will continue its multi-century decline.

    Richmond will be to Virginia what Jackson is to Mississippi.

    The Commonwealth of Virginia had 50 years of unprecedented advantage as the federal government grew and grew. Virginia could have used that half century to build itself into the best state in America. Instead, the idiots in Richmond failed to keep transportation funding up with inflation, squandered the opportunity to put top tier universities in centers of economic activity and handed out an endless stream of payola to inefficient and ineffective monopoly businesses.

    In 1790 Virginia was the envy of the newly formed United States. However, the idiots in Richmond pushed the state into economic collapse time and time again. Now, Virginia has once again squandered a brilliant opportunity.

    Keep taxing people who want to drive to work. That’s a brilliant policy! Tax the productive and hard working people to subsidize the slackers. Genius. I mean, what will the hard working people do? Move to another state that isn’t run by morons?

    1. Don, sometimes you make so much sense. Then sometimes you say crazy stuff like this: “I assume that Jim has some delusion that Richmond will once again be the cock of the walk when NoVa and Tidewater collapse from the cumulative effects of state government mismanagement.”

      As Ed Schultz would say, that’ just “psycho talk.”

      That comment is disconnected from reality in so many ways. When it comes to the word “Richmond,” you respond like Pavlov’s dog, bypassing the brain.

  4. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    What we really need in Virginia is a “willful unemployment” tax. Everybody knows people in their forties and fifties who have either decided to stop working or are intentionally under-employed. I am sick and tired of subsidizing the lazy people who just decide to stop working. Most of them have a decent education and skills. They are just too lazy to get off their asses and go to work.

    Anybody with a net worth of $250,000 should be forced to pay a “citizenship tax” of $15,000 per year. You can get a job and pay taxes, that’s fine. Or, you can sell some of your assets and write a check.

  5. re: ” Either put tolls everywhere or put them nowhere.”

    if you want to drive solo at rush hour every day on a road that cannot be widened without a billion or more dollars (to include rebuilding the overpasses and interchanges) – WHO do you think should pay for the upgrade?

    do you think that people who don’t use that road every day should pay?

    DJ – methinks you are a socialist my boy….. at least when it comes to roads!

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      At least the people who are driving SOLO at rush hour have jobs. The real socialists are the early retired or semi-retired who think that those of us who work and pay taxes should provide their police, fire, etc.

      Every one of those people driving SOLO are going to work where they will pay the taxes that support the army of early retirees in Virginia who have dropped out of the workplace and latched their leech-like teeth into the necks of the productive population.

      1. On U.S. fiscal issues, you and I usually agree. But I’m not sure where you’re coming from this time. Are you really bashing people who retire early? Retirees still pay sales taxes, property taxes and even some income taxes. Unless they downsize their house, they’re still paying the same for fire and police. The only thing they’re not paying as much of is income taxes. They made a cost-benefit calculation that they’d rather enjoy more leisure time with lower income than busting butt to get a higher income and pay a steeply progressive income tax. Do you really find that morally reprehensible? I don’t find it admirable particularly, but I do find it rational.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Oh, ONLY income taxes! That’s about 1/2 of everything we who work make.

          It often seems to be the “early retirees” who think everybody else should pay for society’s costs. These “retirees” see people commuting long distances to and from work and think, “let’s tax that commute by erecting stiff tolls.”. They might have to pay a higher gas tax to index that tax to inflation but they never want to discuss that. Instead, they want to stick it to those of us who do get off our asses every day and go to work.

          Sales tax and property tax? Not enough. Even a person who lives in a $500,000 house only pays about $5,000 in property taxes. If they spend $100,000 per year they only pay another $5,000 or so in sales taxes.

          Do you have any idea how little one needs to earn in order to pay $10,000 in federal and state income taxes? And … the people making these payments also pay property and sales taxes.

          “They made a cost-benefit calculation that they’d rather enjoy more leisure time with lower income than busting butt to get a higher income and pay a steeply progressive income tax.”.

          In other words, they’ve decided to freeload off of those who work.

          We should institute a wealth tax. No able bodied person between 22 and 65 ought to be sitting in their expensive home collecting their big pension check without paying out a full measure of their wealth regardless of whether they’ve done a “cost benefit analysis” or not.

          Suddenly, all those job holding, tax paying commuters on I95 might look a lot different to the butt sitters.

  6. Metro Atlanta voted yesterday to reject a “$7.2 billion transportation plan that business leaders have called an essential bulwark against regional decline.” A spokesperson for one of the groups fighting the 1 cent sales tax increase that would have applied for ten years said, “We the people, you have to earn our trust before asking for more money.”

    “It’s heartbreaking,” said Ashley Robbins, president of Citizens for Progressive Transit, one of dozens of organizations that worked for the referendum. She predicted a loss of valuable young workers to the region’s economy. “If Atlanta’s not the region that we want, the young energetic people that drove these campaigns are going to leave.” Gladys Pollard, a Decatur Democrat and attorney, mocked promises of the T-SPLOST. “‘We’re going to improve roads,’” she said. “What does that mean? It’s so vague.” Supporters also fought over there was too much or too little transit. http://www.ajc.com/news/transportation-referendum/voters-reject-transportation-tax-1488552.html

    It sounds very familiar to me. Special interests wanted more money for this or that project. They speak in vagaries. The people don’t trust government to make transportation and land use decisions that benefit the public. The “leaders” are frustrated, but are not willing to make the changes that build the trust.

  7. most retirees have paid into their retirements – DJ is evading the issue here.

    who should pay for the roads that people drive every day at rush hour? Shouldn’t the people who drive those roads pay for them? Who else would be paying for them?

  8. Arguably, Virginia is conducting the most significant experiment in subjecting a regional highway system to supply-and-demand economics anywhere in North America.

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    At least you concede it is and experiment.

    It is an experiment that I predict will fail. It will fail in the sense that it will increase the cost of transportation and do nothing to increase the availability of it.

  9. who should pay for the roads that people drive every day at rush hour? Shouldn’t the people who drive those roads pay for them? Who else would be paying for them?

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    Well, now that is a good question. I submit that everyone who benefits from them, should pay for them proportiona to the benefit they recieve.

    The idea that only those who drive et the benefits is just plain stupid.

    I imagine that Larry’s house is worth quite a bit more, thanks to all those willing to levi near Fburg and commute. If they all disappeared tomorrow, Larry would be in a world of hurt. Just go down to the museum and look at the old pictures of what the place looked like and how the people lived in 1910.

    I think Larry should help pay for the roads.

  10. do you think that people who don’t use that road every day should pay?

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    Yes.

  11. Remember, you pay no only to use the road, but for the opportnity to use it, whether you do or not. Same as your boat, or airplane, or my spare hay mower. I may never use it, but if my main one breaks it is valualbe insurance.

  12. . I find it fascinating how people who claim to be libertarians can slip so easily into wealth redistribution schemes. If you have a job in Northern Virginia and live in Fredricksburg you will be taxed to drive on reasonable roads. If you live in Fluvana County and commute to a job in Charlottesville you will not be taxed to drive on reasonable roads.

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    Yep. It is probably a vilation of the state consitution where is says that taxes must be applied equitably.

  13. You can forget that SOLO complaint too.

    It turns out that a taxi in NYC causes more congtestion than nine commuters.

  14. re: ” Well, now that is a good question. I submit that everyone who benefits from them, should pay for them proportiona to the benefit they recieve.
    ….
    I think Larry should help pay for the roads.”

    He DOES PAY – for the roads he uses and he wants his money to continue to maintain the roads he uses and not be given to others.

    that’s the problem. Everyone thinks that others should fund their road needs.

    If you solo commute at rush hour every day, you and your fellow commuters are intensively using a limited resource that is very expensive to add capacity to.

    Do you really think the guy that lives in Farmville and works as a teacher and drives 10 miles on country roads – should instead send his gas tax money to NoVa commuters instead of fixing the roads he is driving on?

    because NoVa folks make more money than the teacher in Farmville?

    this is LOGIC? ha ha ha and you wonder why RoVa won’t sign off on such “ideas” in the GA?

    using Hydra’s logic – ” we all use so we all pay”…think about that with regard to electricity use. How about everyone get the same bill no matter how much you use. What do you think would happen? Insufficient capacity for everyone?

  15. Oh, ONLY income taxes! That’s about 1/2 of everything we who work make.

    It often seems to be the “early retirees” who think everybody else should pay for society’s costs. These “retirees” see people commuting long distances to and from work and think, “let’s tax that commute by erecting stiff tolls.”. They might have to pay a higher gas tax to index that tax to inflation but they never want to discuss that. Instead, they want to stick it to those of us who do get off our asses every day and go to work.

    Nope. It’s user pays. When I commuted, it was my responsibility both the commute itself and the financial consequences of it. I never expected others to pay for it.

    Sales tax and property tax? Not enough. Even a person who lives in a $500,000 house only pays about $5,000 in property taxes. If they spend $100,000 per year they only pay another $5,000 or so in sales taxes.

    your property tax pays for your schools. You have chosen to fund at 12K per kid… you can change that if you wish but don’t blame others.

    Do you have any idea how little one needs to earn in order to pay $10,000 in federal and state income taxes? And … the people making these payments also pay property and sales taxes.

    vote guy. the taxes you can most effect are local. did you vote that way?

    “They made a cost-benefit calculation that they’d rather enjoy more leisure time with lower income than busting butt to get a higher income and pay a steeply progressive income tax.”.

    In other words, they’ve decided to freeload off of those who work.

    where do you get this? when I did work, I paid for my own commute and I also contributed to my own pension. Now you want me to pay for your commute?

    We should institute a wealth tax. No able bodied person between 22 and 65 ought to be sitting in their expensive home collecting their big pension check without paying out a full measure of their wealth regardless of whether they’ve done a “cost benefit analysis” or not.

    no…we should have people pay for what they use.

    Suddenly, all those job holding, tax paying commuters on I95 might look a lot different to the butt sitters.

    If you want to commute, then fine, be responsible for it and don’t expect others to pay for it or blame others for the choices you made.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      “no…we should have people pay for what they use.”.

      You “use” the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. You “use” the Virginia State Police and the US Department of Agriculture.

      You “use” a lot of things that get funded by things like income taxes.

      I don’t “use” any more than some early retiree who decided he or she couldn’t hack it in the working world. However, I “pay” a hell of a lot more than that societal drop-out.

      If it’s really “user pays” then why am I paying so much more than the guy parked on his couch on a Wednesday afternoon watching Judge Wopner – or whatever the voluntarily unemployed actually do with their days?

      As for the guy in RoVa wanting to pay to fix his own roads – great! He should pay to fix his own schools too.

      “Nope. It’s user pays. When I commuted, it was my responsibility both the commute itself and the financial consequences of it.”.

      Who is paying for your use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines now that you don’t commute? Who funds the Virginia State Police? Who pays for the state’s support of UVA or William & Mary?

      Why …. it’s all those “little people” who get up every morning and bear the personal inconvenience of commuting to a job where they get to pay the taxes that support people like you.

      As for you paying for your own commute back when you commuted – spare me. Add up the tolls that have been implemented in the last 15 years compared to the 85 years before that. These sky high tolls on the working, tax-paying citizens are the result of too many lazy early retirees who were only too happy to drive on free roads before they decided to let others pay for the societal benefits they receive.

      Perhaps we should go back and charge the early retirees a “driving tax” in arrears.

  16. “no…we should have people pay for what they use.”.

    You “use” the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. You “use” the Virginia State Police and the US Department of Agriculture.

    You “use” a lot of things that get funded by things like income taxes.

    yup.. you’re making the Hydra argument that we all pay and we all use no matter who uses more.

    I don’t “use” any more than some early retiree who decided he or she couldn’t hack it in the working world. However, I “pay” a hell of a lot more than that societal drop-out.

    and you can’t hack paying for your fair share apparently… not sure what your “can’t hack it” comment is when someone has spent 40+ years working AND taking responsibility for their commute – not expecting others to pay for it.


    If it’s really “user pays” then why am I paying so much more than the guy parked on his couch on a Wednesday afternoon watching Judge Wopner – or whatever the voluntarily unemployed actually do with their days?

    such a high horse and such arrogance DJ… are you GOD’s gift?


    As for the guy in RoVa wanting to pay to fix his own roads – great! He should pay to fix his own schools too.

    The Constitution of Va compels everyone to pay for equal access to education. Again, you’d deny a child an equal opportunity to an education ?

    yep.

    “Nope. It’s user pays. When I commuted, it was my responsibility both the commute itself and the financial consequences of it.”.

    Who is paying for your use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines now that you don’t commute? Who funds the Virginia State Police? Who pays for the state’s support of UVA or William & Mary?

    are you USING MORE than others? According to your view if you buy a ticket to a movie – you’re entitled to go as much as you want …because some guy down the street can’t afford even one ticket.

    Why …. it’s all those “little people” who get up every morning and bear the personal inconvenience of commuting to a job where they get to pay the taxes that support people like you.

    because they have chosen to drive solo at rush hour when they KNOW the available capacity in limited. They’re entitled to that choice. They not entitled to tax others for their choices.


    As for you paying for your own commute back when you commuted – spare me. Add up the tolls that have been implemented in the last 15 years compared to the 85 years before that. These sky high tolls on the working, tax-paying citizens are the result of too many lazy early retirees who were only too happy to drive on free roads before they decided to let others pay for the societal benefits they receive.

    I CHOSE – NOT to commute to NoVa even though it would have been more income but I can assure you if I had, I would have carpooled or similar.

    Perhaps we should go back and charge the early retirees a “driving tax” in arrears.

    perhaps you should eat your dirty socks and underwear! It could not harm hour disposition one whit!

    🙂

  17. Just FYI –

    I’m not sure what DJ’s angst is with retirees but most folks work for their pensions and they pay taxes before and after retirement and they pay their faire share of income, sales, property, and fuel taxes.

    And for the record, I have owned an EZPASS for at least a decade and I DO USE IT and I’m GLAD to use it and I PREFER to use it and if I DO have a choice between EZ-Pass and higher fuel taxes, I’ll take the EZ-Pass because I prefer to pay for my use and I’m happy to pay for my use.

    I’ve used that EZPASS on the CBBT, on the Powhite Parkway, the PennsylvaniaTurnpike, and about a dozen other roads.

    The problem DJ is that you do not want to pay SUFFICIENT higher fuel taxes to be able to pay a billion dollars or more to add lanes and rebuild overpasses and interchanges … for the roads you do use.

    AND you want to blame someone else for your own skinflint inclinations.

  18. We cannot even figure out how to pay for the infrastructure at Tysons. Maybe it’s because, when one considers inflation, but not interest on bonds, it takes $2 million every single week between January 2012 and December 2051 to pay for the $5.46 billion needed for roads and non-rail transit. And that’s not all that’s needed in Fairfax County or the rest of the state. Throw in the people’s general lack of trust of government to make the right decisions and we might not be able to get there from here.

  19. Have you got your EZPASS yet TMT?

  20. I don’t have an EZPASS, as I rarely have any need to use the DTR. If my driving patterns change, I would readily obtain one. On the other hand, I do have a Metro SmartTrip card since I use Metrorail fairly often.

  21. The new ez pass will have a switch on it so youcan report whether you are paying or carpooling.

    F’burg citizens will pay three times to use the road now: tolls, gas tax and lower valiue on their homes because of the tolls.

  22. Fburg citizens can do what they have always done – i.e. ride the mainline, not carpool and not pay tolls – unless they want to.

    I say again – if you are a person who wants to drive every day at rush hour and the road you use needs more capacity – that is your responsibility not someone else.

    you are definitely entitled to the gas taxes that you pay to be used for that purpose but the reality is when you are talking about I-95 commuting infrastructure – your gas taxes do not cover the actual costs by a long shot.

    the question is should others pay? The folks down in Hampton think others should pay. They think NoVa should pay because they’re convinced that NoVa gets more for roads than they pay in taxes.

    And if you look around Va – pretty much every locality feels the same way.

    At the end of the day – if you want to drive solo at rush hour -it’s going to cost you… either in congestion or tolls – over and above your gas taxes because it costs way more than your gas taxes and no one in Va owes you a higher valued home for your commuting habits. That’s your cost.

  23. Umm, who said anything about a higher valued home? People moved out there as I explained to EMR because they do NOT want to pay the higher prices that he claims prove what it is people want.

    The situation here is that people made decisions based on a set of circumstances. Other people (like yourself) did not like the situation it left them with, did not like the circumstances, and did not like the decisions people made. The probably did not care for the people much, either.

    So they set about deliberaely re-engineering the rules to better benefit themselves, and now they disavow responsibility for the negative effects those decisions will cause. This is like my brother buying a lot for his home with the knowledge that it could be subdivided sufficiently that his children might have a home someday. Some people did not like his situation, and others lie it, so they came up witha technical rule change that cost him the value of two homes, or at a minimumm two homesites.

    Well, no one guaranteed you those homesites, we can do whatever we want to you, incurring no obligation whatsoever to ourselves, even if we benefit enormously from the new rule, so bend over.

    You will never, ever, convince me there is a shred of ethics in that argument.

  24. the question is should others pay?

    That is not the question and you u know it. The question is should everyone pay? And accordng to what formula?

    As soon as SOME places are tolled, the answe ris that some people should not pay, and they should still get to enjoy all the other benefits of a growing virginia economy.

    It is complete nonsense, and unbefitting the democrtic basis of Virginia. We will rue the day we let this happen.

  25. I say again – if you are a person who wants to drive every day at rush hour and the road you use needs more capacity – that is your responsibility not someone else.

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    And I say again, you are wrong. That attitude is selfish and foolhardy. If a road is overloaded it is costing everyone money whether they use it or not, and they ought to be chipping in accodrding tot he benefits they get. The PRIMARY beneficiaries of that road isn’t even the people that use it to get to work. The PRIMARY beneficiary is their employers, who may pay nothing toward the road.

    The entire cost and benefit relationship is screwed up now, and your ideas will only make it much, much worse.

  26. You are not going to convince RoVa to pay increased fuel taxes, and especially not at the level to be able to fund significant new infrastructure for NoVa and Hampton Roads.

    It’s just not going to happen.

    The “Primary” beneficiary of roads is NOT employers when it is the employee who is choosing to drive solo on a road at rush hour and he knows the carrying capacity of the road is degraded because the majority of people using it are also driving solo.

    trying to justify taxing other people to pay for this on the premise that it does not benefit the very people who are using the road – and complaining about congestion and travel times is comical.

    EVEN IF you could convince RoVa to pay a tax increase, you’d not convince the folks in places like Hampton who are not only opposed to tolls but opposed to increased fuel taxes and also opposed to increased sales taxes to pay for their own road upgrades.

    NoVa also voted down the same proposition .

    that leaves tolls. they are the de-facto fall back position.

    I do not like paying more taxes or tolls than anyone else but I think it is just plain stupid to have a place like NoVa where expansion of the NETWORK is damn near impossible even if you can improve SOME roads so transportation people performed their last feasible option short of tearing down developed properties for new roads – they took the last available median and shoulder land and squeezed another lane in – and that is much more costly than just paving shoulder and median as every single overpass and interchange will have to be re-built to accommodate the extra lane(s).

    where would this money come from? We’re talking about billions of dollars for NoVa. Does anyone think RoVa would pay for it? How about Hampton? Do you think the folks in Hampton are going to pay for NoVa infrastructure?

    So you end up with the only option that is feasible and that is charging the people who want the infrastructure. That’s your own real viable option.

    Arguing against this is just plain dunderhead logic. Tolls are the best of the bad options and none of the other options have a prayer of a snowball chance of happening.

    At some point, we are seeing “deniers” in more and more areas beyond climate where they just refuse to deal with fundamental realities and continue to whine about what they don’t like rather than what options are really possible.

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