Damn the Constitution! Full Speed Ahead!

Paul Nardo, Clerk of the Virginia House of Delegates

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

Leaving aside the issue of whether masks should be required in schools, there is a larger issue in question in this legislative fight over masks.

The plan now seems to be that each house will pass Sen. Petersen’s substitute for SB 739, which would prohibit any school district from requiring students to wear masks to school. Then Governor Youngkin would return the bill with a recommendation that an emergency clause be added, making the bill effective immediately. Each house would then accept the Governor’s recommendation by majority vote. And voila! The kids would be free!

There is just one fly in this ointment: the state constitution. Article IV, Section 13, sets out the effective dates of legislation. All bills enacted in a regular session are to become effective July 1, unless a later date is specified in the bill or “unless in the case of an emergency (which emergency shall be expressed in the body of the bill) the General Assembly shall specify an earlier date by a vote of four-fifths of the members voting in each house.”

The idea that a Governor’s amendment establishing an emergency clause would need only a majority vote seems to be based on a determination announced by Paul Nardo, the Clerk of the House of Delegates. As reported by the Richmond Times-Dispatch, “A governor’s emergency clause used to require a four-fifths vote in the House for passage. House Clerk Paul Nardo said Tuesday that Democrats dropped the rule for the governor under then-Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn, D-Fairfax, and Republicans didn’t reinstate it under new Speaker Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah.”

What is being referred to is this:

  • Before 2020, Rule 75 of the Rules of the House of Delegates, stated: “A Senate amendment to a House bill to be concurred in, a Governor’s recommendation to be agreed to, or a conference report to be adopted, must receive the same recorded vote as required to pass the bill itself.”
  • In the 2020 session, the Democratic majority, for some reason, changed the rule to read: “A Senate amendment to a House bill to be concurred in, or a conference report to be adopted, must receive the same recorded vote as required to pass the bill itself.”

Just because a reference to the vote needed for a Governor’s recommendation was dropped from the Rules of the House of Delegates does not mean that the constitutional requirement of a 4/5 vote for a bill to be become effective before July 1 does not still apply.

I like Paul Nardo. I am glad that he was reinstated as Clerk of the House. But, in this case, he is wrong. But I understand. He is doing the bidding of the folks who got him his job back — House Republicans. In his statement to the press, he was laying the groundwork for a ruling by the Speaker, Todd Gilbert, that only a majority vote is required for a Governor’s amendment.

The Senate Rules could be a little clearer. In an Appendix to the Rules, there is a list of votes needed for various actions.

  • For an emergency clause, it says “4/5 of the members voting, not less than” and cites the constitutional references;
  • For “Governor’s recommendation for amending bill,” it says, “a majority of the members present.”

A standard rule of interpretation is that, when provisions seem to be in conflict, the more specific provision prevails. In the examples presented above, an “emergency clause” is more specific than just “Governor’s recommendation for amending bill.” However, the presiding officer of the Senate, the Lieutenant Governor, would be free to rule that, based on the latter provision of the Senate Rules, only a majority vote would be required on a Governor’s amendment adding an emergency clause.

In each house, a ruling by the presiding officer can be challenged. In such a case, the entire house votes whether the ruling should be overturned. Rarely, if ever, has a ruling of the presiding officer been overturned.

Is ending immediately a mask mandate in schools that will expire August 1 so important that Republicans in the General Assembly and the Governor are willing to run roughshod over the state constitution?

If any school board is inclined to continue this fight, any emergency bill with less than a 4/5 vote in both houses would be ripe for a court challenge. It could likely find a judge that would be willing to at least grant a stay.


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49 responses to “Damn the Constitution! Full Speed Ahead!”

  1. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Amazing how leftists/know and want the law applied down to its last detail but if the other side does that, woe unto them. That includes prosecution for riots, etc.

    Maybe some Senators need to rethink their positions and get in touch with their folks who are hurting and the middle class, rather than their policies that take the USA to this place where we are now at: the gates of Hell.

    1. Amazing how those rightists will do anything they can to get around the state constitution all for the political expediency of their leader.

      1. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Since when do they get around it? I see them follow the law a lot more than leftists do. Witness the ATF gun database, the forced vaccinations, masking, Hillary …

        1. What do any of those have to do with the Commonwealth of Virginia? You did see that I was talking about the GA and the state constitution.

          1. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            You mean like blocking what the people want? They elected folks in the house not the senators who said we were elected BEFORE we knew the damage they would do. How about being unwilling and unable to prove election integrity?

          2. Elections have always been free and fair in our great country so that doesn’t need to be proved as it is a given. The burden is on the rightists to prove wide spread fraud which they could not do. Sure there were a few Trump supporters that voted twice, but now even half of the Republicans do not want Trump to run again in 2024 as they are finally over the “big lie”.

          3. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            Not always free and not fair. I’ve seen both sides complain and frankly, there are too many holes. I finally got one item I wanted, and that was 4 African Americans suing in NYC because of illegal immigrants being allowed to vote – because it diluted the African American vote. I got chewed by a Democrat last year before the election for it, thought I was full of poop. Right …

          4. Anyone can sue over anything as all you have to do is look at Trump’s baseless suits.

          5. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            Since a judge decides standing and the left has activists in those careers, doesn’t mean anything.

          6. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            I’ve seen evidence on both sides that they indicate fraud has occurred in some fashion.

          7. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            and I notice how folks want to hide the illegal ATF gun database.

  2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    Dick, Article Section XIII discusses enactment, not repeal. As the resident parliamentarian, what happens if the current law is repealed? Is the repealed law in force until June 30? I can find no constitutional provision that directly addresses that.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Yes, the repealed law would be in effect until July 1. It takes an enacted bill to repeal a previously enacted law. Any bill, other than an emergency bill, takes effect on July 1, unless a later date is specified.

      Here is an example of a repeal: https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+ful+HB23+pdf

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        I trust your legal opinion.

        Where sits the rule that says it takes a bill to repeal a law and/or repeals from a regular session must wait until July 1 to go into effect?

        Is it in the constitution?

        1. Question: What other way is there to repeal a law?

          1. Matt Adams Avatar

            I’d presume it begin determined to be Unconstitutional?

            Edit: Which I’d find highly irregular if it was found as such and stood until July.

          2. A court can deem a law unconstitutional, but only the legislature can repeal said law and remove it form the books.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar

            So would that ruling prompt the legislature to repeal or would that be unnecessary?

          4. Sometimes they repeal, sometimes they do not. The real-world effect is pretty much the same because a law declared unconstitutional by the courts is effectively unenforceable.

            I prefer to see such laws repealed. It [ever so slightly] shortens the Code.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar

            I would as well, I would also think that if ruled unconstitutional, there should be an after action review to see how it was made law to begin with. Since there is a presumption of constitutionality when laws are introduced and signed into law (they should’ve been reviewed for legality). It should be determined what rationale was used to determine it was, when it was not using the Courts guidance to it’s violation.

        2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Good question. You are pushing me. Article IV, Section 15, says: “In all cases enumerated in the preceding
          section, and in every other case which, in its judgment, may be provided
          for by general laws, the General Assembly shall enact general laws. Any
          general law shall be subject to amendment or repeal.” It stands to reason that only the General Assembly can “repeal” an existing law. (Courts, of course, can declare a law unconstitutional, but that is different.) And, to have the effect of law, the General Assembly has to act by a bill. Article IV, sec. 11.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Thanks for the help.

  3. Matt Adams Avatar

    “If any school board is inclined to continue this fight, any emergency bill with less than a 4/5 vote in both houses would be ripe for a court challenge. It could likely find a judge that would be willing to at least grant a stay.”

    The Amendment will pass regardless of when it is enacted, do you think a Judge is going to grant a stay to run the clock out till July? Given the events in New York, New Jersey and now even Illinois regarding mask mandates, I think you’ll be hard pressed to get an audience who is going to quibble over 140 +/- 20 days.

  4. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Politicians just plain suck for the most part. They seemingly make rules that slap the Constitution in the face then cry foul when their party isn’t in power. This goes for both sides. They both just sucks.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Details. Details.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Says one of the last surviving Democrats who is happy that kids are forced to wear masks. Positively giddy. Strange.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Covid deaths are over 3000 per day in the US currently and climbing. Lagging indicator? Maybe. I guess at this point we are just going to hope so…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          when the facts don’t support your view, just ignore them!

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Plastic bags’ll do.

  6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Here is the question I have… if a school district has a mask mandate, and a student unmasks claiming their parents opted out but there is no documentation of such an opt out, can the district enforce the mandate or not…? Since the legislature is now writing school board policy (is that constitutional in Va?) how is this legislated policy to be implemented?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      You ask a legitimate question, which I am not going to touch. I just want to point out that the legislature “writes” school board policy in lots of areas. For example, the minimum length of a school year. At one time, laws passed by the General Assembly forbade school districts from opening before Labor Day (the “Kings Dominion” bill).

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        well.. it USED to be that legislatures would write laws with a purpose and then let the regulators figure out the details of how to implement.

        No more. The whole schema is now questioned.

  7. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Glad to see concern over a Constitution. Hey, have you read the religious freedom language in the VA Constitution? Asking for a friend.
    Alternatively, the RESIST School Boards could remove their heads from their rectums and comply with the order…
    SCIENCE! (of polling says time to bail on Covid fear porn)

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Farragut reference? ‘Cause you just know they’ll think they’re turning it back on you by pointing out that he was Union and Lincoln violated the Constitution…

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Farragut reference? ‘Cause you just know they’ll think they’re turning it back on you by pointing out that he was Union and Lincoln violated the Constitution…

  10. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Correct me if wrong, but I am hearing above there is serious doubt if the Gov can declare emergency rapid enforcement on the proposed new law.

    My question though, if quick emergency passage had been or still is possible, what is the hypothetical earliest date that that quick process could be finalized?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      in dispute and probably litigated… would be a guess.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Depends on how quickly SCOVA can rule.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Absent any lawsuit that would stay its implementation, the law could become effective upon signing by the Governor. It is possible that could occur as early as the end of next week. More likely would be sometime during the week of Feb. 21.

  11. Thank you. I now know where Ms. Dougherty got the idea that a simple majority would suffice for enacting the “mask-optional bill” earlier than July 1.

    The Constitution of Virginia says what it says. If the democrats violated it when they were in charge then those responsible should be punished.

    But “they did it before, so it’s okay for us to do it” is not sufficient justification for republicans do so so when they are in power. If the Bill cannot legally go into effect before July 1, 2022 then I’m willing to live with that.

    EDITED

    1. You give her too much credit as her writings appear to make it clear that she does minimal actual research.

  12. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    1) Virginia’s courts give great deference to the legislature as it makes its own rules and 2) as this “angels on the heads of a pin” argument ensues, the masks will be coming off anyway because the public is ready to take them off and the surge is fading as rapidly as it rose. This is the politicians trying hard to get ahead of a train already running full speed.

    Something we all should have grasped by now. Politicians are not doctors. When even the doctors are disagreeing (as they largely and violently have for two years now), the politicians are only going to muck it up worse. We the People, we’re on our own in deciding how to protect ourselves.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. The public is done with them, including Dems and though the “surge” is falling, we are not exactly positive of the outcome – we’re just ready to stop even if it comes back and bites us in the butt.

      But the idea that we get vaccinated and take precautions as individuals to not endanger others with our own infection has been discarded.

      And I expect the “skeptics” and “deniers” to stop having their kids vaccinated for other diseases also.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Yes, that will be an unfortunate unintended consequence to this becoming politicized, to the Democrats labeling these as “Trump” vaccines and telling their own voters to distrust them.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          what they did not trust was Trump forcing the FDA and CDC to take actions that compromised their standards.

          It was not about the vaccine but about the way Trump corrupted government, of which we have ample evidence of.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Good morning children. My name is Mrs. Glumb, and as the school grief counselor, and I here to help you cope with the loss of your classmate, Johnny. I’m sorry, but you two boys stop eating, and put the lid back on the paste.”

    She leans toward the teacher at her desk, “And their parents didn’t want them wearing masks.”

    “That’s Jimmy and Stevie. Class cut ups, you know,” she answered in a hushed tone, adding “but still, this is Journalism 301, and UVa has its reputation.”

  14. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    “Is ending immediately a mask mandate in schools that will expire August 1 so important that Republicans in the General Assembly and the Governor are willing to run roughshod over the state constitution?”

    I’ll bet that lots of Virginia parents would say yes. There are four months of public school left in Virginia.

    Those same parents might then wonder aloud why Virginia Democrats, who seemed to love emergency decrees up until yesterday, are now such sticklers for procedure. They also might question how an effort to unmask their kids gets characterized as “run[ning] roughshod over the state constitution.” They might then start to question the judgement of people who make such characterizations…and then decide that such people shouldn’t be in positions of authority. Anywhere.

  15. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Youngkin might be okay. Farragut brought the battle straight to the defenders of Mobile. A position considered unconquerable.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UZ9Uah2h4Ac/Tj21SEfeWnI/AAAAAAAAA94/alhY0Jqo9No/s1600/battle-of-mobile-bay-925.jpg

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