Fox at the Forum

Former Mexican President Vincente Fox opened his address to the Richmond Forum last night with an encomium to the Juans, the Marias, the Joses and all the other brave Mexicans who have immigrated to the United States to work hard and build a better life for themselves and their families. It was a heart-felt and effective gesture (and one that he probably has used all over the United States, wherever he has plugged his book, “Revolution of Hope: The Life, Faith and Dreams of a Mexican President.”) Though speaking in English and not his native language, Fox was engaging and charismatic. It was easy to see how he became the first Mexican politican to break the political monopoly of the Institutional Revolutionary Party.

For Americans, Fox is an especially effective advocate for the Marios and Marias in the United States because, unlike many Latin politicians, he loves the U.S. and he holds this country up to its own ideals. His grandfather was an Irish-German who sought his fortune in Mexico during the second half of the 19th century, worked hard and became a large landowner before a revolutionary government expropriated 90 percent of his property. A successful corporate executive who rose to the head of Coca-Cola Mexico before his entry into politics, Fox also is an unabashed champion of free markets and free trade, which he regards as the tonic to the authoritarianism and economic nationalism that prevented Latin America from sharing in global economic progress for most of the 20th century.

Fox speaks of the “American Dream,” which is shared by all peoples of the Americas, not just the United States of America. “Immigrants are people that come here to work, come here to contribute to this economy and to this great nation. Immigrants are loyal to the land that opened their arms to them,” he said, as reported by the Times-Dispatch. (Bizarrely, the T-D devoted its lede and half the article to the fact that Fox thinks the U.S. should pull out of Iraq, a point that was utterly tangential to his discussion of free trade and immigration.)

Far from throwing up walls between Mexico and the U.S., Fox wants to see the two countries grow closer together. He would like to build upon the North American Free Trade Agreement by negotiating common customs agreements between Mexico, the U.S., and Canada, much as the European Union has done. He would like to see all North Americans share a common passport. Ultimately, he suggests, they could share a common currency.

Mexico has made tremendous economic progress since a massive devaluation of the peso in the 1990s caused massive economic suffering, Fox said. The key has been a stable currency and open borders that ended the country’s economic isolation and forced Mexican enterprises to adapt to global competition. Mexican standards of living have risen dramatically since then, he said.

Fox acknowledges that the United States has a legitimate issue with people who enter the country illegally, but he says the answer isn’t building walls. Congress needs to develop mechanisms, like guest worker programs, that allow Mexicans (and other Hispanics) to work and reside legally in the U.S., and then return home.

In sum, Fox appealed to the best part of the (U.S.) American character in asking for more sympathy for his fellow countrymen. He did not label the anti-illegal movement as xenophobic or racist. As such, he was a far more effective ambassador for his people than he would have been had he embraced the hostile, don’t-give-an-inch rhetoric so widespread in the pro-illegal movement.

I have a question for those who profess so much concern for the plight of Hispanics: Why don’t they support an extension of the NAFTA free trade agreements to Central America, the Caribbean and Latin America, as Fox advocates? Why shouldn’t the United States help other countries to follow the path of Mexico, reform their economies and create a sustainable prosperity — so people don’t have to leave their homelands in the first place?

Don’t white, liberal elites feel compassion toward Hispanics when they’re stuck in their home countries, victims of self-defeating government policies and U.S. trade barriers? Or is it only when Hispanics come to the United States, where they can be herded onto the liberal plantation and help Democrats lock up electoral dominance for the next 50 years, that they are worthy of sympathy?


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20 responses to “Fox at the Forum”

  1. Anonymous Avatar

    “Don’t white, liberal elites feel compassion toward Hispanics when they’re stuck in their home countries, victims of self-defeating government policies and U.S. trade barriers? Or is it only when Hispanics come to the United States, where they can be herded onto the liberal plantation and help Democrats lock up electoral dominance for the next 50 years, that they are worthy of sympathy?”

    Replace the word liberal and Dems with conservative and Reps and this statement comes out the same way. The issue transcends both left and right and makes for strange bedmates regardless of how you stand on the issue.

    ZS

  2. E M Risse Avatar

    Jim Bacon:

    This was a really good post, full of valid observations… until the last paragraph.

    What does “liberal” have to do with anything except bating the folks the way Fox avoided doing in his talk as you report it?

    EMR

  3. E M Risse Avatar

    I wrote the 11:00 post when the comments section said “0”

    I agree with ZS.

    Donkey, Elephant, conservative and liberal are not in the GLOSSARY.

  4. Anonymous Avatar

    The problem is really about defining national interests vs. corporate interests.

    Reciprocity is the name of the game.

    How has NAFTA helped American workers vs. American corporations VS. Mexican workers vs. Mexican corporations?

    Fair trade vs. Free trade and all that.

  5. Anonymous Avatar

    http://gp.org/press/pr_2007_08_15.shtml

    Canadian and US Green Parties blast secretive NAFTA-Plus trade-security deal

    Green Party of Canada
    http://www.greenparty.ca
    Green Party of the United States
    http://www.gp.org

    Wednesday, August 15, 2007

    Contacts
    Green Party of Canada:
    John Chenery, Director of Communications, 416-452-6016, jchenery@greenparty.ca
    Green Party of the United States:
    Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty@greens.org
    Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene@gp.org

    National Green parties join forces to fight North American Union

    Canadian and US Greens campaign against ‘Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America’ and plan cross-border Counter Summit when heads of state of Canada, US, and Mexico meet in Montebello, Quebec, August 20.

    Secretive deal between Prime Minister Harper, President Bush and President Calderón is a blueprint to further integrate the three countries’ trade, economic, energy, defence and security policies, and which is being implemented undemocratically by bureaucratic committees with no public oversight.

    During one-day Counter Summit, Greens from the US and Canada will discuss the history, mechanics, and implications of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, and plan strategies for opposition

    WASHINGTON, DC/OTTAWA, ONT. — Green Party leaders in Canada and the US are alerting their respective parties and the public about the ‘Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America’ (SPP), a secretive deal between President Bush (US), Prime Minister Harper (Canada), and President Calderón (Mexico).

    Green Party of Canada leader Elizabeth May stated, “The SPP is integrating the military, security, trade, economic, regulatory, and foreign polices of Canada, the US, and Mexico without public input or Parliamentary or Congressional scrutiny. The threat of widespread surveillance of citizens, greenhouse gas emissions from tar sands development and ‘super-corridors,’ increased fossil fuel dependence, privatization of water, erosion of food safety and environmental regulations, and expanded corporate power at the expense of economic stability for working people — these are some of the reasons we oppose the SPP.”

    North American Green Parties are calling for transnational opposition, beginning with a ‘Counter Summit’ teach-in and strategy session August 20 in Ottawa to coincide with a meeting of the leaders of Canada, the US, and Mexico at the third annual summit in Montebello in nearby Quebec. The Green Party of the United States has endorsed the Counter Summit and will send representatives. Greens will also participate in civil society opposition to the Montebello Summit, with two days of activites planned for August 19 and 20.

    Dr. Janet M. Eaton, International Trade Critic with the Green Party of Canada, who spoke about the SPP at the annual meeting of the Green Party of the United States in Reading, Pennsylvania, in July, said:

    “The SPP, also called ‘NAFTA-Plus’ within a ‘security trumps all’ framework, is the next big step in moving from a free trade agreement to a customs union and some suggest common market and eventually a union like the European Union.”

    “But we should heed the words of the Secretary General of the European Greens, Juan Behrand, who said that the process for North American integration does not resemble the democratic and consultative European Union model.”

    Eaton said that the so-called North American Partnership is fraught with profound implications for sovereignty and Constitutional and Charter rights.

    “The Bush, Harper, and Calderón administrations are taking their countries down a dark road to a future where decisions are made in virtual secrecy by undemocratic supranational organizations such as the North American Competitiveness Council. This group of powerful corporate leaders represents the large transnational companies that stand to profit from the SPP’s globalist economy, an economic model which has been largely recognized as a failure when it comes to protecting working people and the environment,” said Dr. Julia Willebrand, co-chair of the US Green Party’s International Committee and co-president of the Federation of Green Parties of the Americas.

    Greens dispute claims by NAFTA proponents that NAFTA has proved successful and that the SPP is the logical and necessary next step. Green Parties have called for withdrawal from and renegotiation of NAFTA, and for enactment of ‘fair trade’ policies where economic, social and ecological justice take precedence over corporate profit and privilege and the short term economic demands of investors.

    “”Security and Prosperity are attractive goals. The use of these words disguises that the Harper-Bush agenda undermines true security by imperiling global eco-systems, revving climate change into over-drive, and ignoring the needs to protect true peace and prosperity through flourishing, open democratic process. The ‘Security and Prosperity Partnership’ scheme deserves widespread public exposure and opposition,” said Elizabeth May.

    Greens warn of numerous dangers if SPP remains unchallenged, including:

    Super-corridors lined with oil, gas, and water pipelines, which will carve up arable land, damage biodiversity across North America, and increase fossil fuel consumption and emission of greenhouse gases.

    Military and security integration of the US, Canada, and Mexico, with an expansion of surveillance over private citizens and forced forced subordination of Canada and Mexico to imperial US military goals.

    Privatization and unconstrained exploitation of natural resources for the benefit of US-based corporations, e.g., Mexico’s state-owned oil industry and Canadian watersheds.

    Erosion of food safety standards

    Empowerment of the North American Competitiveness Council (NACC), which gives corporate leaders access to government information and resources while denying the latter to civil society leaders.

    MORE INFORMATION

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    Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml
    Green Party Speakers Bureau http://www.gp.org/speakers
    2007 national Green Party meeting in Reading, Pa.: video footage, blog and media coverage http://www.gp.org/meeting2007/

    Green Party to Host SPP Counter-Summit
    http://www.greenparty.ca/en/node/2467 [Counter-Summit agenda included]

    The Security and Prosperity Partnership: Why We Need to Take a Closer Look at Continental Integration [displaying a map of North American Super-corridors]
    http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/documents/deeper_look_spp
    Security and Prosperity Partnership Q&A
    http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/spp_FAQ

    “Green Party of Canada Takes on the SPP Alerting US Greens and Planning Cross Border Summit!!”
    By Dr. Janet Eaton, International Trade Critic, Green Party Shadow Cabinet
    http://www.greenparty.ca/en/newsletter/august2007/B

    “Threats to Our Water: NAFTA, SPP, Super-Corridors, Atlantica”
    By Dr. Janet Eaton, PhD. Power Point with images and photos
    http://www.greenparty.ca/files/Threats_to_our_Water.ppt

  6. Anonymous Avatar

    “Far from throwing up walls between Mexico and the U.S., Fox wants to see the two countries grow closer together. He would like to build upon the North American Free Trade Agreement by negotiating common customs agreements between Mexico, the U.S., and Canada, much as the European Union has done. He would like to see all North Americans share a common passport. Ultimately, he suggests, they could share a common currency.”

    This is quite bold and visionary. Compared to some of the recent additions to the EU, Mexico is actually quite a bit richer country. Most Americans don’t realize that Mexico is a middle income country, as opposed to a very poor place like Haiti. Seeing the opportunities that the EU has provided for poorer regions and the reciprocating growth, it’s definitely something worth exploring. Obviously there will be winners and losers, but creating a stronger economic zone going forward is important with the Euro and Asian growth threats.

    As far as expanding trade zones and common travel zones with Central America, it would be good for all concerned, but there is no leadership on this issue as the individual negatives politically override the collective gains.

    ZS

  7. Groveton Avatar

    Jim:

    I would have liked to hear Mr. Fox’s comments. He has been a pioneer in Mexican politics. However, from your comments, he sounds like he’s painting an all too optimistic picture of Mexico. In order to fully understand standards of living you have to understand the distribution of wealth. If Bill Gates moved to your town in Henrico County it would statistically appear that your town had a jump in standard of living. When a very few very rich Mexicans get even richer it makes the per capita income if Mexico rise. Yet, I suspect that the vast majority of Mexicans have not benefited from the enrichment of the wealthy.

    In many ways the same wealth distribution problem confronts the United States – just not to the extreme it plagues Mexico.

    As for expanding NAFTA to include Latin America, etc. – it’s probably a good idea. But it would require immense sacrifice before it paid big dividends. Look at West Germany’s integration of East Germany – very painful but now paying off. The West Germans showed a lot of courage when they accepted an integration plan that was guaranteed to lower their standard of living for a long time. Now a unified Germany is stronger economically than West Germany would have been if it said “no” to integration with East Germany.

    Would the United States be willing to accept a fairly long period of economic pain in order to establish an even longer period of economic gain?

    Sadly, I doubt it.

  8. E M Risse Avatar

    Interesting perspective from the “greens” above. A greens / red neck coalition? Put that on your simplistic l / c continum!

    Good insights from Groveton re EU vs NAFTA and, sadly I agree with his doubt about commitment to long term prospertiy.

    On that last paragraph in the original post:

    There is an interesting analaysis of PW situation in WaPo. That reminded me of the fact, and made me even more upset about that last paragraph, that it is those who claim to be at the other end of the spectrum from “liberals” who are running around trying to make a last minute scare issue of illeagel aliens.

    And the earlier comment from Chesterfield concerning house prices? Even more true here in the National Capital Subregion.

    And think of all the folks that would be fined by their HOAs for unkempt lawns!

    Most are unwilling to pay what neighbors would charge for cutting their lawn.

    That gets us to Jim Bacon’s comments on Peter G.s post:

    As we point out from time to time:

    Citizens of the US of A spend $ Billions to visit and stay in places where folks live in pink and green houses.

    Citizens of the US of A spend $ Billions more to visit and stay in places where folks live at 30 to 50 persons per acre at the Neighborhood, Village and Community scales.

    Perhaps if citizens of the US of A understood the organic structure of human settlement patterns they could evolve places with more Security, Harmony and Homogeneity as one moves down the NUR / C / V / N / C / D / U scale and more agreement on issues of concern at the level of impact as one moves up the U / D / C / N / V / C / NUR scale.

    Just a thought.

    EMR

    Security

  9. Anonymous Avatar

    Interesting story but I do agree with EMR, the last graph is some kind of out-of-the-blue right wing diatribe appropos of nothing. What does the “liberal plantation” have to do with anything? If anything the Hispanic immigrants espouse exactly those presumably GOP values of hard work and family. Cuba refugees, in particular, are diehard Republicans.
    A few more things. It may be news to Jim Bacon, but there have been rich Mexican capitalists for years. Leading the list is Carlos Slim, one of the world’s richest men. NAFTA is not a panacea, nor is free trade. They are deals that can cut both ways. And, Bacon should avoid his sometimes patronizing tone. Many world leaders, including Fox, can give decent speeches in a foreign language. If there are any language duds out there, it is the Americans who speak foreign tongues less than others in just about any advanced economy. If Bacon had ever lived abroad, he might understand this.

  10. Anonymous Avatar

    ” Carlos Slim, one of the world’s richest men.”

    Carlos Slim is the world’s richest man. He passed Bill Gates earlier this year.

    Deena Flinchum

  11. Bill Garnett Avatar
    Bill Garnett

    As to immigration – my position:

    (A) The U.S. should control its southern border.

    (B) Recent illegal immigrants (up to last five years) should be returned to their country of origin.

    (C) Illegal immigrants who can prove they have been in the U.S. for over five years, have no criminal record, are fluent in English, and show they are supporting themselves and their family may go through a process that will eventually give them citizenship.

    (D) Employers of more than 10 illegals should get jail time.

    My reasoning is three fold:

    (1) – There is no practical solution I know of that would accomplish a 100% expulsion of illegals.

    (2) – We have a legal tradition in America of eminent domain and statute of limitations which suggests to me that if we do not take action in response to a transgression within some reasonable time, then the opportunity to take action expires.

    (3) – We do have a long tradition of being a nation of immigrants and most of us are descendants of immigrants.

    Regardless of my position, I am incensed that my government has twiddled and shuffled and ignored this festering problem year after year after year — they are all bums and all of them should be thrown out of office.

  12. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    I think what is driving this is fairly simple. Some employers want cheap labor and they really don’t care why that labor is cheap, and, in fact, prefer to have compliant employees who are afraid of losing their job if they complain about working conditions or benefits.

    Some employers have always wanted what I call “young and dumb” workers that can be easily intimidated and easily replaced if they get out of line.

    This is what is driving the demand for immigrant labor in my opinion. It’s not just the money. Americans would work for the money but they won’t take the working conditions of being treated like throw-aways.

    The immigrants in this situation don’t like it any better, but to complain means they get quickly flushed and exposed to getting caught and deported so they keep quiet – essentially slave-like labor.

    And the rest of us are, whether we want to admit it or not, part and parcel to this unless we are scrupulous in what kind of labor we pay for and I include the Federal and State and local contract workers hired to keep our taxes low.
    The next time you see road work being done – think about this when you look at the workers.

    I know when I worked for the government, the roof to our building was repaired by low bid contract and when the workers showed up, many did not speak English. One thing led to another and soon it was determined that these workers, on a Federal contract, did not have green cards.

    After a lot of finger pointing as to who was responsible, it turned out that no one was responsible for actually determining that contractor workers were “legal”.

    If this happens with the Federal Government itself, then I strongly suspect that it happens all the time on our Fed/State/local contract work including VDOT contractors.

    I don’t like to see Hispanics or any human being put into this circumstance but I especially dislike the second show of racist-like attitudes of pitting humans against humans and fostering “us” against “them” attitudes.

    I don’t understand why most folks cannot get a job without IRS W2 and other paperwork… and the illegals apparently can. The only way this can happen is if workers are not employees but rather day laborers paid in cash.

    At any rate, I would favor serious sanctions against employers .. knowing full well that prices for labor will increase.

    but I opposed to actions against people.

    If they are already here and they have kids or an extended family, I don’t know how you play Solomon…and I don’t think we can and still pretend we are Christians.

  13. Jim:
    I agree with others who congratulated you on a good post but were perplexed or put off by the unexpected and jarring tone of the concluding paragraphs.

    I find it ironic that you choose to brand anyone advocating for comprehensive immigration reform, and sensible immigration and integration policies for those already here, as “pro-illegal”.

    The label is offensive for two reasons. If it refers to the people who are caught in the “venus fly trap” or “attractive nuisance” of our failed immigration policy that literally invites people to follow the law of supply and demand rather than the law of the land, it reduces those human beings to a “status” and objectifies and dehumanizes them for rhetorial gain. If it refers to “illegal immigraton,” it is a label that seeks to prejudice the way in which the reader/listener hears the arguments being made by the supporters of immigration reform.

    Just as the “life right” labels everyone who wants government out of our most personal medical decisions “pro-abortion” seeking to bias people’s perception of their opponents, the use of the label “pro-illegal” is intended to devalue the arguments of those who are pro-immigration reform. Your use of this label either is reflexive and unthinking or reveals your true biases.

    I know no one in the comprehensive immigration reform movement who can fairly be said to be pro-illegal immigration. We are simply looking for a sensible, comprehensive and humane immigration policy that secures our borders, treats all workers fairly and restores the rule of law by setting forth a workable path to legalization for those who are hear that requires fines, back taxes and civic engagement.

    Similarly, your attack on “white liberals,” which overlays your diatribe with a racial construct, is particularly offensive given that you so often decry and whine about “fostering ‘us’ against “them,” when anyone tries to talk about the increasing racism/ethnic hostility that they are experiencing as a real (unintended or intended) consequence of the current inflammatory rhetoric of the anti-illegal immigrant, anti-immigrant( there are some) and immigrantion reduction movements and their political handmaidens.

    It is no accident that “noose” and n-word incidents are rising at the same time that the current immigration discourse appears to authorize the use of blanket racial/ethnic stereotypes (e.g., everyone in a hospital emergency room who is Hispanic is “illegal”; every Hispanic person who comes to the United States is a Democrat).

    Once it is “okay” to speak or act based on stereotypes about one ethnic group, it is “okay” to act on any racial/ethnic predjudice.

    You can do better.

    Claire

  14. Anonymous Avatar

    Good post, Calire.

    I hope Jim Bacon can learn from what you wrote.

  15. Jim Bacon Avatar

    OK, everybody, I get the message. My words about “white liberal elites” and “herding Hispanics onto the liberal plantation” were needlessly inflammatory. They were inappropriate, especially given my previous admonitions to base public policy on the facts, not emotions.

    By way of explanation, I will say this: My “liberal plantation” charge was a reaction to equally sweeping, inflammatory and unsubstantiated rhetoric from others who comment on this blog to the effect that those who, like me, express concerns about illegal immigration are motivated by racism and prejudice.

    Still, two wrongs don’t make a right. As one correspondent chastised me, I should strive to be more like George Will and less like Bill O’Reilly. I take that criticism to heart and will try to hold myself to a higher standard.

    At the same time, I will continue to confront those who throw around the equally reckless rhetoric of racism-racism-racism to describe legitimate concerns about illegal immigration and/or attitudes that are expressive of a conflict of cultural values (middle class American suburbanites vs. transplanted Hispanic paysans). Charges of racism and prejudice shut down the dialogue. In effect, they say, your point of view is so illegitimate, based as it is on racism, that I don’t even have to acknowledge your concerns or answer your arguments. That, too, is “offensive,” and I refuse to let it shut me down.

  16. Anonymous Avatar

    Jeez, Bacon, where do you come off with this “transplanted Hispanic paysans” bit? If there’s ever an inapproporiate, pejorative word choice out there, you will go for it. Why on earth do you think that every Latino immigrant is a “paysan” which even in Spanish is the wrong word.

    You may mean well, but you just can’t see past your protected, white, upper-middle class tower, can you?

  17. Jim Bacon Avatar

    Jeez, Anonymous 1:31, You get a lot of satisfaction out of being smug and morally superior, don’t you? Just look down your nose at your opponents and insult them as ignorant and prejudiced, end of debate. But condescension does not constitute an argument, and it’s not going to persuade anybody.

    “Paysan” has an French or Italian derivation. So what? When did the PC police issue an edict stating that a word derived from a European language and entered into common usage in the English language could NOT be used to describe Third World peasants? Go to dictionary.com and you’ll find “paysan” equated with “peasant” — a person who lives and works on the land, especially in a poor, primitive or underdeveloped area. What’s pejorative about that?

    If you think I’m using the word inappropriately, tell me how — correct me for my usage. Don’t sneer at my “white upper-middle class” background — a practice that smacks of bigotry in its own right.

    Further, I never remotely implied that “every Hispanic immigrant” is a “paysan.” Of course, there are tens of thousands of well educated Latins in Virginia. Some of them are my friends. I even invested money with one, a Bolivian, to help him launch a business. In my earlier comment, I was referring specifically to the uneducated immigrants who move into middle-class neighborhoods and engage in behavior that some middle-class American residents find offensive. That’s not “every Latino” immigrant, and the only person who would take offense at the statement is someone who is looking to take offense.

    So get off your perch of nose-in-the-air anonymity, from which you can sneer at my “social location” but I know nothing of yours, and engage in a real debate.

  18. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    I probably did not help the situation.

    I am a product of racist parents and when I went to high school, blacks went to a separate “school”.

    When I went to school many places around Richmond had no high schools – instead they had “Christian Schools” for whites.

    I see too many incomfortable parallels with the “illegals” issue and I think we’re basically inviting the same folks out of the woodwork who would be just as glad to hammer blacks again if it had not been so thoroughly condemned by society. I think there is a kind of “trasnferrence” going on and I think we need to make it clear – that we’re not going to repeat the 60’s…

    at least I’m not…

  19. Jim Bacon Avatar

    Larry, no question, Virginia has a legacy of racism. I personally believe that most people have changed. Clearly there are some who have not, but I believe they are marginalized.

    But a history of racism against African Americans doesn’t translate into racism against Hispanics. I don’t think the attitudes are at all similar. One of the invidious stereotypes of the racial segregationists was the blacks were lazy and shiftless. I don’t know of one person who thinks that about Hispanics. *Everybody* I know admires Hispanics for their work ethic.

    Your concern about a “transferrance” of prejudice from blacks to browns says more about you than it does about suburban Virginia culture.

  20. Anonymous Avatar

    OK, Jim Bacon,

    Let’s let “paysans be paysans!”

    OK? Feel better?

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