Five Dem Senators Defy Party Orthodoxy on Governors Schools

Sen. Chap Petersen speaking on senate floor last year. Credit: Virginia Mercury

by James A. Bacon

A Senate committee voted Thursday to spike a bill aimed at “expanding diversity” in Virginia’s governor’s schools, reports The Virginia Mercury. While it is encouraging to know that admittance into the governor’s schools will continue to be based on merit-based tests, the vote has a broader significance, which is even more heartening. It hints that a significant number of Democratic Party legislators are not entirely on board with Governor Ralph Northam’s policy of implementing policies informed by critical race theory throughout Virginia schools.

The stumbling point for several Democratic legislators is that they have many Asian-American constituents. Asian-Americans are disproportionately admitted into Virginia’s elite public high schools, most notably into Northern Virginia’s nationally recognized Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology where they comprise 73% of the incoming freshmen. Asian-Americans have the most to lose from Northam’s definition of “diversity,” which requires admitting more African-Americans and Hispanics and fewer Asians. Whites would be far less affected by the changes.

The bill in question, submitted by Del. Roslyn Tyler, D-Sussex, aimed to increase access for blacks and Hispanics by issuing guidance to “focus on the importance of increasing access to Governor’s Schools for historically underserved students” and including best practices on inclusion. Asian-Americans fighting the administration’s efforts to change the admittance standards at Thomas Jefferson have argued that the state would do better to achieve diversity by improving the quality of education to blacks and Hispanics in earlier grades so that they can be admitted to the elite schools on their merits.

Democrats joining Republicans in voting against the bill after a heated debate included Senate Majority Leader Dick Saslaw, D-Fairfax, Sen. Chap Petersen, D-Fairfax City, Sen. Lynwood Lewis, D-Accomack, and Sen. John Edwards, D-Roanoke. Summarized the Mercury:

“A lot of these children are immigrants, children of immigrants, and they’ve focused on their academics and they’ve done well,” Petersen said.

“I understand as well as anybody that we need to get different populations into our governor’s schools, and I think there are ways to do it. I’m very concerned, though, the tone that has been set by this bill. I’m not blaming anybody in particular, it’s just become a lighting rod and it’s been serving to stigmatize a very hard-working community in Fairfax County which I am proud to represent and be married into. And that’s the Korean community, Indian community, Bengali community,” he said, adding that Thomas Jefferson had significant minority representation among its students.

Saslaw said he has heard from many constituents who were “overwhelmingly against” the legislation. “Many of these are parents — a large percentage — who came here as immigrants and have done anything they can to improve their situation,” he said. “They consider this bill highly offensive.”

Bacon’s bottom line: It is disturbing that so few African-American and Hispanic students are admitted into the governors schools. But changing admission standards to meet racial quotas has its perils. One of two things is likely to happen: Either less-gifted students are likely to struggle to meet the advanced academic standards… or schools will have to water down those standards. Neither outcome is desirable.

Virginians need to focus on the scandalous state of elementary- and middle-school education in Virginia that leaves such a high percentage of African-American and Hispanic students academically unprepared to compete for admittance into the elite schools. Educational malfeasance is especially pronounced in a handful of school districts, especially inner-city districts, which suggests that the problem is not systemic but is associated with the maladministration of those school districts. Watering down Standards of Learning (SOL) standards, as the Northam administration has done, only hides those failures to no one’s benefit — except those who are responsible for the failures.

Whether Saslaw, Petersen and the others recognize these other verities remains to be seen. Even if their skepticism of Northam administration policy is limited to the governors-schools issue, it takes courage to buck the race-doctrine orthodoxy that now predominates in the Democratic Party and most of the media today. Hopefully, these same leaders can steer the dialogue toward a more productive discussion about policies that lift all students, not some students at the expense of others.


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66 responses to “Five Dem Senators Defy Party Orthodoxy on Governors Schools”

  1. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “I would appreciate if you would put a better definition to minority,” Lucas said. “Because I know you’re not talking about people that look like me.”

    Best quote in the story, from Sen. Louise Lucas of Portsmouth. Not going comment on it, just putting it out there. Tempting, but no….Blue Virginia went wild over the meeting, as well. This is likely not the end of anything.

    https://bluevirginia.us/2021/02/video-debate-gets-very-heated-in-senate-education-committee-as-bill-to-increase-diversity-at-virginia-governors-schools-is-debated-and-defeated

  2. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “I would appreciate if you would put a better definition to minority,” Lucas said. “Because I know you’re not talking about people that look like me.”

    Best quote in the story, from Sen. Louise Lucas of Portsmouth. Not going comment on it, just putting it out there. Tempting, but no….Blue Virginia went wild over the meeting, as well. This is likely not the end of anything.

    https://bluevirginia.us/2021/02/video-debate-gets-very-heated-in-senate-education-committee-as-bill-to-increase-diversity-at-virginia-governors-schools-is-debated-and-defeated

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    I think the Asian thing is mostly NoVa and on top of that , almost none of them are economically disadvantaged.

    They are higher income Asian families who are basically using the existing system to benefit their kids and they are better at it than others.

    What is the percent of Asians in other Virginia charter schools?

    How about the percent of low income kids in charter schools regardless of race or ethnicity?

    Seems like at the very least these numbers would be relevant BEFORE we start drawing conclusions.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    I think the Asian thing is mostly NoVa and on top of that , almost none of them are economically disadvantaged.

    They are higher income Asian families who are basically using the existing system to benefit their kids and they are better at it than others.

    What is the percent of Asians in other Virginia charter schools?

    How about the percent of low income kids in charter schools regardless of race or ethnicity?

    Seems like at the very least these numbers would be relevant BEFORE we start drawing conclusions.

  5. djrippert Avatar

    Chap Petersen needs to run for governor.

    I’ve said it before on this blog and I’ll say it again … Democrats are on the verge of losing support from the Asian-American community. The Hispanic community will be next. Many from both communities, in Northern Virginia, are recent immigrants (first or second generation). They came for the American dream of success through effort. Thomas Jefferson High School was a symbol of that dream coming true. Pull out the rug from under their feet and lose their support.

    Petersen, Saslaw, et al did the Democratic Party in Virginia a favor by spiking this idiotic bill. Perhaps Ralph Northam ought to come to Northern Virginia in person to plead his case for watering down the excellence of TJ because it has too many Asians who earned their way in. I’m sure he would be greeted by a large and emotionally invested audience.

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      “Democrats have puzzled over why Biden did not perform as well in cities as expected, and conversely, why Trump seemed to overperform in them. Overall, Biden won major metro areas, but his slippage compared with Trump’s gains was notable.

      “Trump gained in every borough of New York City except Staten Island (where he was already a favorite) compared with 2016, recording a gain of 12 percentage points in his share of the total vote in the Bronx and 9 points in Queens. He improved his margin by more than 18 points in largely immigrant and working-class assembly districts encompassing Elmhurst, Corona, and Jackson Heights. New York City as a whole swung toward Trump by 7.6 points between 2016 and 2020, more than any single state swung in the election, as Trump picked up support in 58 of the city’s 65 assembly districts. Compared with 2016, he gained votes in cities such as Philadelphia and Detroit, the latter of which gave Trump 5,000 more votes than in 2016 and Biden 1,000 fewer than Hillary Clinton won. As pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson has noted, even though Joe Biden won major metros as expected, closer scrutiny of a number of blue cities reveals blue doughnuts: As Democrats increased their command of the suburbs, their hold on inner cities weakened.”

      https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2021/02/22/looking-at-trumps-electoral-performance-in-big-cities/

      Maybe people of color and immigrants don’t want white suburban women deciding what is good for them.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      ” Despite being collectively identified as “Asians,” the Asian population is heterogeneous, comprised of more than thirty different nationalities and ethnic groups. The following graph illustrates the diversity among the over 545,000 members of Virginia’s Asian population. Asian Indians (28%), Koreans (14%), Chinese (14%), Filipinos (13%), and Vietnamese (10%) make up the most significant portions of this population.”

      https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/n2iewqnF9yc4rjdKh8Zb1rVruVj3SQysS58IhEZZ0omIviTrOAZy3_XrB0Nfh56GTUfVCA=s105

  6. djrippert Avatar

    Chap Petersen needs to run for governor.

    I’ve said it before on this blog and I’ll say it again … Democrats are on the verge of losing support from the Asian-American community. The Hispanic community will be next. Many from both communities, in Northern Virginia, are recent immigrants (first or second generation). They came for the American dream of success through effort. Thomas Jefferson High School was a symbol of that dream coming true. Pull out the rug from under their feet and lose their support.

    Petersen, Saslaw, et al did the Democratic Party in Virginia a favor by spiking this idiotic bill. Perhaps Ralph Northam ought to come to Northern Virginia in person to plead his case for watering down the excellence of TJ because it has too many Asians who earned their way in. I’m sure he would be greeted by a large and emotionally invested audience.

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      “Democrats have puzzled over why Biden did not perform as well in cities as expected, and conversely, why Trump seemed to overperform in them. Overall, Biden won major metro areas, but his slippage compared with Trump’s gains was notable.

      “Trump gained in every borough of New York City except Staten Island (where he was already a favorite) compared with 2016, recording a gain of 12 percentage points in his share of the total vote in the Bronx and 9 points in Queens. He improved his margin by more than 18 points in largely immigrant and working-class assembly districts encompassing Elmhurst, Corona, and Jackson Heights. New York City as a whole swung toward Trump by 7.6 points between 2016 and 2020, more than any single state swung in the election, as Trump picked up support in 58 of the city’s 65 assembly districts. Compared with 2016, he gained votes in cities such as Philadelphia and Detroit, the latter of which gave Trump 5,000 more votes than in 2016 and Biden 1,000 fewer than Hillary Clinton won. As pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson has noted, even though Joe Biden won major metros as expected, closer scrutiny of a number of blue cities reveals blue doughnuts: As Democrats increased their command of the suburbs, their hold on inner cities weakened.”

      https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2021/02/22/looking-at-trumps-electoral-performance-in-big-cities/

      Maybe people of color and immigrants don’t want white suburban women deciding what is good for them.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      ” Despite being collectively identified as “Asians,” the Asian population is heterogeneous, comprised of more than thirty different nationalities and ethnic groups. The following graph illustrates the diversity among the over 545,000 members of Virginia’s Asian population. Asian Indians (28%), Koreans (14%), Chinese (14%), Filipinos (13%), and Vietnamese (10%) make up the most significant portions of this population.”

      https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/n2iewqnF9yc4rjdKh8Zb1rVruVj3SQysS58IhEZZ0omIviTrOAZy3_XrB0Nfh56GTUfVCA=s105

  7. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    My daughters went to Appomattox Regional GS. No data but I had the impression it was diverse — more so than the Chesterfield PS system. But that was more than 10 years ago.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Great. Diverse and academically excellent. So, why change things?

  8. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    My daughters went to Appomattox Regional GS. No data but I had the impression it was diverse — more so than the Chesterfield PS system. But that was more than 10 years ago.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Great. Diverse and academically excellent. So, why change things?

  9. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Before everyone gets too giddy from celebrating, consider the following:

    1. It is up to local school boards to set the criteria for regional Governor’s schools. As reported in the RTD, the Chesterfield School Board recently changed its guidelines for selection to the Maggie Walker Governor’s School to be based from a countywide selection to enabling an equal number of students from every middle school to attend Maggie Walker. Furthermore, the board governing Thomas Jefferson recently removed its admissions test.

    2. SB 2303 directed the state Board of Education to issue guidance. That guidance would not have been binding. Finally, the state Board of Education can issue guidance without legislative direction. https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/watch-now-democratic-led-panel-effectively-kills-bill-seeking-to-boost-diversity-at-virginia-governors/article_7ff14904-837b-5d0e-be6e-ffbe7893c72d.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      Dick, one of the things that has come out of the TJHSST fiasco is the “discovery” that state law requires a governing board to be made up of all the school divisions that can attend the Governor’s School at issue. Good old Fairfax County ignored that requirement and made policies by itself.

      Larry’s claim that all Asians in Fairfax County are wealthy is wrong. You’ll find as many Asians working menial jobs as you will find newly arrived Hispanics.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Re: “Larry’s claim” is DATA from VDOE on how many who attend TJ are economically disadvantaged. Less than 2% of the Asians who attend are economically disadvantaged. That’s a fact – a verfiable one – go to the VDOE build-a-table and see for yourself!

        1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
          TooManyTaxes

          Reread what I wrote. Many Asians living in Fairfax County are not wealthy.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            I did and have, My point is that the higher percentage of Asians that are in TJ are well-off, NOT economically-disadvantaged…

            AND -FURTHER – that hardly any economically-disadvantaged are in TJ at all – not Asians or others even though there certainly must be at least SOME gifted kids who are economically-disadvantaged INCLUDING Asians?

            What does this say about kids who might be “gifted” but apparently cannot accomplish the things necessary for them to be competitive in getting into that school?

            Are the top competitive kids who do get into TJ, getting additional education from outside the public schools that economically-disadvantaged kids do not have access to because they cannot pay for extra educational help?

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Guidance is quite often binding!! That was an incorrect statement, Dick. Guidance documents are used too often because they bypass APA, easier to adopt than a full reg.

  10. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Before everyone gets too giddy from celebrating, consider the following:

    1. It is up to local school boards to set the criteria for regional Governor’s schools. As reported in the RTD, the Chesterfield School Board recently changed its guidelines for selection to the Maggie Walker Governor’s School to be based from a countywide selection to enabling an equal number of students from every middle school to attend Maggie Walker. Furthermore, the board governing Thomas Jefferson recently removed its admissions test.

    2. SB 2303 directed the state Board of Education to issue guidance. That guidance would not have been binding. Finally, the state Board of Education can issue guidance without legislative direction. https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/watch-now-democratic-led-panel-effectively-kills-bill-seeking-to-boost-diversity-at-virginia-governors/article_7ff14904-837b-5d0e-be6e-ffbe7893c72d.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      Dick, one of the things that has come out of the TJHSST fiasco is the “discovery” that state law requires a governing board to be made up of all the school divisions that can attend the Governor’s School at issue. Good old Fairfax County ignored that requirement and made policies by itself.

      Larry’s claim that all Asians in Fairfax County are wealthy is wrong. You’ll find as many Asians working menial jobs as you will find newly arrived Hispanics.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Re: “Larry’s claim” is DATA from VDOE on how many who attend TJ are economically disadvantaged. Less than 2% of the Asians who attend are economically disadvantaged. That’s a fact – a verfiable one – go to the VDOE build-a-table and see for yourself!

        1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
          TooManyTaxes

          Reread what I wrote. Many Asians living in Fairfax County are not wealthy.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            I did and have, My point is that the higher percentage of Asians that are in TJ are well-off, NOT economically-disadvantaged…

            AND -FURTHER – that hardly any economically-disadvantaged are in TJ at all – not Asians or others even though there certainly must be at least SOME gifted kids who are economically-disadvantaged INCLUDING Asians?

            What does this say about kids who might be “gifted” but apparently cannot accomplish the things necessary for them to be competitive in getting into that school?

            Are the top competitive kids who do get into TJ, getting additional education from outside the public schools that economically-disadvantaged kids do not have access to because they cannot pay for extra educational help?

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Guidance is quite often binding!! That was an incorrect statement, Dick. Guidance documents are used too often because they bypass APA, easier to adopt than a full reg.

  11. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Mr. Herring’s Office of Civil Rights will likely deliver the knockout punch to merit based magnate schools.
    https://www.lcps.org/cms/lib/VA01000195/Centricity/domain/12/2020-2021_files/RESOLUTION_AGREEMENT_In%20Re_LCPS_2021-02-18_Fully_Endorsed.pdf

  12. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Mr. Herring’s Office of Civil Rights will likely deliver the knockout punch to merit based magnate schools.
    https://www.lcps.org/cms/lib/VA01000195/Centricity/domain/12/2020-2021_files/RESOLUTION_AGREEMENT_In%20Re_LCPS_2021-02-18_Fully_Endorsed.pdf

  13. “Asian-Americans fighting the administration’s efforts to change the admittance standards at Thomas Jefferson have argued that the state would do better to achieve diversity by improving the quality of education to blacks and Hispanics in earlier grades so that they can be admitted to the elite schools on their merits.”

    The Asian-Americans fighting the administration’s efforts to change the admittance standards at Thomas Jefferson are 100% correct. But lowering admission standards is much easier than actually solving the problem of our schools systems’ failure to teach black and hispanic students, so I’m betting the end result will be a lowering of the admission standards.

    The politicians who currently mismanage the Commonwealth have already shown they do not care about the future of our children, so why would they do anything else? Mr. Herring’s “Resolution Agreement” disgusts me, but it does not surprise me.

  14. “Asian-Americans fighting the administration’s efforts to change the admittance standards at Thomas Jefferson have argued that the state would do better to achieve diversity by improving the quality of education to blacks and Hispanics in earlier grades so that they can be admitted to the elite schools on their merits.”

    The Asian-Americans fighting the administration’s efforts to change the admittance standards at Thomas Jefferson are 100% correct. But lowering admission standards is much easier than actually solving the problem of our schools systems’ failure to teach black and hispanic students, so I’m betting the end result will be a lowering of the admission standards.

    The politicians who currently mismanage the Commonwealth have already shown they do not care about the future of our children, so why would they do anything else? Mr. Herring’s “Resolution Agreement” disgusts me, but it does not surprise me.

  15. djrippert Avatar

    I hate to say it but I hope the lefties do ruin Thomas Jefferson. The closest Dick Saslaw has come to losing his office was in the 2019 Democratic primary when Iranian-American Yasmine Taeb got 45.8% of the vote to Saslaw’s 48.6%. No wonder he’s suddenly become a loud advocate for a merit based admission system to a school that is 73% Asian. Asian-Americans will decide whether Saslaw continues his reign of terror in the 2023 election.

    Fairfax County is 17.53% Asian. That’s easily the second largest demographic after white.

    There are places in Fairfax County where Republicans can win again if they bring the Asian-Americans into the GOP tent.

    I’d hate to lose Thomas Jefferson as a bastion of excellence but if it means starting to tip the General Assembly back toward the Republicans, and those Republicans are of the libertarian stripe (which is all that could be elected in NoVa), it may be “acceptable collateral damage”.

    Tell Herring to go ahead and ruin TJ. It may be just enough to send Kathleen Murphy and Barbara Favola to ash heap of political history.

    1. I’m in favor of using any [legal] means necessary to consign Dick Saslaw to the ash heap of Virginia politics. As far as I am concerned he is the single most reprehensible politician in the current Virginia General Assembly.

  16. djrippert Avatar

    I hate to say it but I hope the lefties do ruin Thomas Jefferson. The closest Dick Saslaw has come to losing his office was in the 2019 Democratic primary when Iranian-American Yasmine Taeb got 45.8% of the vote to Saslaw’s 48.6%. No wonder he’s suddenly become a loud advocate for a merit based admission system to a school that is 73% Asian. Asian-Americans will decide whether Saslaw continues his reign of terror in the 2023 election.

    Fairfax County is 17.53% Asian. That’s easily the second largest demographic after white.

    There are places in Fairfax County where Republicans can win again if they bring the Asian-Americans into the GOP tent.

    I’d hate to lose Thomas Jefferson as a bastion of excellence but if it means starting to tip the General Assembly back toward the Republicans, and those Republicans are of the libertarian stripe (which is all that could be elected in NoVa), it may be “acceptable collateral damage”.

    Tell Herring to go ahead and ruin TJ. It may be just enough to send Kathleen Murphy and Barbara Favola to ash heap of political history.

    1. I’m in favor of using any [legal] means necessary to consign Dick Saslaw to the ash heap of Virginia politics. As far as I am concerned he is the single most reprehensible politician in the current Virginia General Assembly.

  17. John Harvie Avatar
    John Harvie

    My HS in Richmond was also TJHS. Wondering how much longer those names will survive.

  18. John Harvie Avatar
    John Harvie

    My HS in Richmond was also TJHS. Wondering how much longer those names will survive.

  19. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Let’s start naming schools after Ralph Northam, but only if it has a statue of him in his blackface costume. At the bottom, it can say “Supported by the Washington Post Editorial Board” because Democrats don’t do racist things irrespective of what they actually do. It’s just like Bill Clinton got a pass for his sexual abuse of Juanita Broderick. Or the Post ignoring the failure of Mpls. Mayor Jacob Frey to identify and remove bad cops. After all, why should a woke Democrat be held responsible at all for George Floyd’s death?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Let’s name schools, roads, buildings, etc after people that all races and culture agree are deserving of such and acknowledge that commemorating “heroes” of one race or culture than is an anathema to others is just plain wrong and divisive and divides us as a society.

      Why do we insist on such divisive symbols as “history” when clearly they are selective history and actually disparage other people who actually hate those symbols with good reason?

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        The reason that many schools were named for dead white guys was because when most of the schools were named, the U.S. was a white Protestant nation that came from settlers that came from Western Europe.

        And once again, the Left is bigoted in its advocacy. School were not named for Irish, German, Italian or Slavic people. If schools should look like America, we should recognize all racial and ethnic groups. Why do these groups get left out? Are their ancestors any less worthy of respect and recognition than people whose ancestors were from Africa, the Middle East, South Asian, etc.?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          So, let me ask. Should something be named for something purely because of their race or ethnicity alone?

          So, should they be recognized/memorialized for what – their accomplishments that benefit everyone regardless of race/ethnicity or recognized/memorialized for their deeds in helping the poor, downtrodden, discriminated , etc?

          1. No people. With the trajectory of Progressive evolution, no human will be able to survive being canceled in time.

            I think Steve is right. Numbers, trees, birds, colors, but no people.

          2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            Watch the push to name schools after Kamala Harris, even though she flunked a bar exam and is an open and dirty religious bigot.

            Where are the schools named for former Vice President Charles Curtis, who was an enrolled member of the Kaw Nation and also had Osage and Pottawatomi ancestors? He was the first bi-racial American to be vice president. I bet you that Slow Joe doesn’t even know that.

          3. Kamala Harris is a descendant of slave owners. So says her father.

            “My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town) …”

            https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/kamala-harris-jamaican-heritage/

          4. John Harvie Avatar
            John Harvie

            There are lots of BLK Blvds. So, yes we do.

  20. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Let’s start naming schools after Ralph Northam, but only if it has a statue of him in his blackface costume. At the bottom, it can say “Supported by the Washington Post Editorial Board” because Democrats don’t do racist things irrespective of what they actually do. It’s just like Bill Clinton got a pass for his sexual abuse of Juanita Broderick. Or the Post ignoring the failure of Mpls. Mayor Jacob Frey to identify and remove bad cops. After all, why should a woke Democrat be held responsible at all for George Floyd’s death?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Let’s name schools, roads, buildings, etc after people that all races and culture agree are deserving of such and acknowledge that commemorating “heroes” of one race or culture than is an anathema to others is just plain wrong and divisive and divides us as a society.

      Why do we insist on such divisive symbols as “history” when clearly they are selective history and actually disparage other people who actually hate those symbols with good reason?

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        The reason that many schools were named for dead white guys was because when most of the schools were named, the U.S. was a white Protestant nation that came from settlers that came from Western Europe.

        And once again, the Left is bigoted in its advocacy. School were not named for Irish, German, Italian or Slavic people. If schools should look like America, we should recognize all racial and ethnic groups. Why do these groups get left out? Are their ancestors any less worthy of respect and recognition than people whose ancestors were from Africa, the Middle East, South Asian, etc.?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          So, let me ask. Should something be named for something purely because of their race or ethnicity alone?

          So, should they be recognized/memorialized for what – their accomplishments that benefit everyone regardless of race/ethnicity or recognized/memorialized for their deeds in helping the poor, downtrodden, discriminated , etc?

          1. No people. With the trajectory of Progressive evolution, no human will be able to survive being canceled in time.

            I think Steve is right. Numbers, trees, birds, colors, but no people.

          2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            Watch the push to name schools after Kamala Harris, even though she flunked a bar exam and is an open and dirty religious bigot.

            Where are the schools named for former Vice President Charles Curtis, who was an enrolled member of the Kaw Nation and also had Osage and Pottawatomi ancestors? He was the first bi-racial American to be vice president. I bet you that Slow Joe doesn’t even know that.

          3. Kamala Harris is a descendant of slave owners. So says her father.

            “My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town) …”

            https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/kamala-harris-jamaican-heritage/

          4. John Harvie Avatar
            John Harvie

            There are lots of BLK Blvds. So, yes we do.

  21. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “Let’s name schools, roads, buildings, etc, after people that all races and culture agree are deserving of such….” So P.S. #27, Highway 101, North Mountain, South, River, Green Valley….things like that. Not getting 100% on anything else or a person, Larry.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Actually, I think there ARE some persons but a high bar, yes. We have Freedom Middle School, and Smith Station Elementary, and Brock Road Elementary. But we also have J.J. Wright a black educator that started the first black school in the county.. can’t see how anyone else no matter the race could be insulted by that.

      So, yes. There are many ways to name but for heaven’s sake DON’T name when you KNOW it’s an insult to an entire community of people.

      Why do we do this kind of thing in the first place, when we KNOW it’s going to be an affront? And for that matter, why do we DEFEND symbols that we KNOW have been an affront for decades?

      We say we want to end the racial divide, right? We say this but do we mean it?

      1. Do we want to end the racial divide? With mandatory training in the evils of whiteness, I think not.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Works for me. I also like Native American names for places that people can’t pronounce. It’s fun driving in parts of New Jersey where the exits have 12 to 15 letter place names with lots of multi-consonant substrings.

      Fun to listen to the national news talkng heads mispronounce Poquoson.

  22. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “Let’s name schools, roads, buildings, etc, after people that all races and culture agree are deserving of such….” So P.S. #27, Highway 101, North Mountain, South, River, Green Valley….things like that. Not getting 100% on anything else or a person, Larry.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Actually, I think there ARE some persons but a high bar, yes. We have Freedom Middle School, and Smith Station Elementary, and Brock Road Elementary. But we also have J.J. Wright a black educator that started the first black school in the county.. can’t see how anyone else no matter the race could be insulted by that.

      So, yes. There are many ways to name but for heaven’s sake DON’T name when you KNOW it’s an insult to an entire community of people.

      Why do we do this kind of thing in the first place, when we KNOW it’s going to be an affront? And for that matter, why do we DEFEND symbols that we KNOW have been an affront for decades?

      We say we want to end the racial divide, right? We say this but do we mean it?

      1. Do we want to end the racial divide? With mandatory training in the evils of whiteness, I think not.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Works for me. I also like Native American names for places that people can’t pronounce. It’s fun driving in parts of New Jersey where the exits have 12 to 15 letter place names with lots of multi-consonant substrings.

      Fun to listen to the national news talkng heads mispronounce Poquoson.

  23. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Those 5 better watch it. If you’re not anti-racist you are racsit.
    Get ready for your next nasty primary!
    In all seriousness it will be fascinating to see where Asians eventually land politically. I work with a lot of them and grew up with even more. The Asians at work seem enamored with Democrats but their personal lives/ culture/ ideals they hold dear don’t match mainstream Democrat policies. It’s very interesting.

  24. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Those 5 better watch it. If you’re not anti-racist you are racsit.
    Get ready for your next nasty primary!
    In all seriousness it will be fascinating to see where Asians eventually land politically. I work with a lot of them and grew up with even more. The Asians at work seem enamored with Democrats but their personal lives/ culture/ ideals they hold dear don’t match mainstream Democrat policies. It’s very interesting.

  25. djrippert Avatar

    Sen. Janet Howell said this issue “impacts my constituents quite a bit,” adding that it’s “ludicrous that we have fewer than 20 African-American and Latino students admitted to TJ; that’s ludicrous from Fairfax County, it’s insulting…so I’m very supportive of this bill. This has been a festering wound…for many years, and it’s time we lance it.”

    Hopefully, the Asian-Americans in Big Bird’s district will remember this in November 2023.

  26. djrippert Avatar

    Sen. Janet Howell said this issue “impacts my constituents quite a bit,” adding that it’s “ludicrous that we have fewer than 20 African-American and Latino students admitted to TJ; that’s ludicrous from Fairfax County, it’s insulting…so I’m very supportive of this bill. This has been a festering wound…for many years, and it’s time we lance it.”

    Hopefully, the Asian-Americans in Big Bird’s district will remember this in November 2023.

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