Finished with the Second Amendment Virginia Dems Now Attack the First (and Sixth)

By DJ Rippert

Sticks and stones? Del. Jeffrey M. Bourne, D-Richmond, has introduced HB1627.  The bill is entitled, “Threats and harassment of certain officials and property; venue.”  The proposed legislation strengthens a series of very questionable laws already on the books.

The first few sections of the existing law make it illegal to make threats in written communications to kill or do bodily injury to a person in a variety of occupations and situations. For example, threats to elementary school, middle school or high school employees are called out in the existing legislation. Similarly, threats made on school buses, on school property, or against health care providers are also explicitly illegal. Beyond wondering why certain classes of people or places deserve extra protection from death threats or threats of bodily harm the existing legislation seems pretty straightforward. Ill-conceived and overly limited but straightforward.

Then comes the section entitled, “Harassment by computer, penalty.” This section goes well beyond outlawing death threats and threats of bodily harm. It specifically references Virginia state politicians as needing legal protection from such things as threatening illegal or “immoral” acts.

Snowflake protection act. The existing language of laws to be modified by HB1627 gets very broad when the topic turns to state government officials receiving threats, insults or “lascivious” language. To wit:

“§ 18.2-152.7:1. Harassment by computer; penalty.

If any person, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass any person, shall use a computer or computer network to communicate obscene, vulgar, profane, lewd, lascivious, or indecent language, or make any suggestion or proposal of an obscene nature, or threaten any illegal or immoral act, he shall be is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A violation of this section may be prosecuted in the jurisdiction in which the communication was made or received or in the City of Richmond if the person subjected to the act is one of the following officials or employees of the Commonwealth: the Governor, Governor-elect, Lieutenant Governor, Lieutenant Governor-elect, Attorney General, or Attorney General-elect, a member or employee of the General Assembly, a justice of the Supreme Court of Virginia, or a judge of the Court of Appeals of Virginia.

RVA. Del Bourne’s major addition to Virginia’s existing anti-free speech legislation is apparently an attempt to move the venue for prosecution of the offenses contained in the existing law. HB1627 adds to the Harassment by Computer section of the law … “A violation of this section may be prosecuted in the jurisdiction in which the communication was made or received or in the City of Richmond if the person subjected to the act is one of the following officials or employees of the Commonwealth: the Governor, Governor-elect, Lieutenant Governor, Lieutenant Governor-elect, Attorney General, or Attorney General-elect, a member or employee of the General Assembly, a justice of the Supreme Court of Virginia, or a judge of the Court of Appeals of Virginia.”

A resident of Annandale saying lascivious things about Annandale based State Sen. Dick Saslaw on the fictional blog Annandale Today would now be tried in Richmond? Having quashed the second amendment and the first amendment our new majority apparently now wants to take aim at the sixth amendment (a jury of one’s peers). How many amendments are left?

Thought crimes. Once again we see existing Virginia law trying to make private human thought a crime. “Intent to coerce, intimidate or harass …” By what magic will Virginia law enforcement officials or courts know whether the person making the statement had an intent to coerce, intimidate or harass?  Would Jim Bacon’s column attempting to solve the “Ralph Northam blackface riddle” constitute coercion, intimidation or harassment? How about communicating “obscene, vulgar, profane, lewd, lascivious or indecent language”?  That’s a cornucopia of vague, ill defined adjectives that could mean just about anything to anybody. Does the new Democratic majority hope to stifle criticism of the state government by threatening legal action adjudicated in the cozy confines of Richmond using an umbrella of nonsense words (e.g. lascivious)? Does Del. Bourne hope the mere threat of enforcing vague laws using Richmond as the venue will be sufficient to stifle criticism of the Democratic majority?

Rip’s Wrap. This proposed bill attempts to take anti-free speech, anti-liberty, anti-American legislation and make it worse. This whole area of existing and proposed law is emblematic of a power-drunk state legislature trying to preserve and extend special privileges for itself and a few chosen groups of special interests. Why is it specifically illegal to threaten school employees or “health care providers” but not firemen, policemen or accountants? Why should the venue for any charges derived from this law against state politicians or state government employees be the City of Richmond (comprising less than 3% of Virginia’s population)? The laws that deal with threats of death or bodily harm should be repealed or expanded to cover all Virginians. The sections against the use of lewd, lascivious, etc commentary should be repealed along with an official apology from the General Assembly for ever enacting such garbage in the first place. Oh sorry … was that lascivious of me?


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34 responses to “Finished with the Second Amendment Virginia Dems Now Attack the First (and Sixth)”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    It is quite a stretch to lump this change of venue in with Jim Crow and Massive Resistance. This statute is not designed to protect Richmond politicians from criticism; it applies to everyone. And Virginia is not alone in enacting laws aimed at computer harassment. Most states and the federal government have such laws. See: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Harassment.htm

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      but don’t let the facts get in the way of blaming the Dems for this…

      In the age of the internet, online harassment is a reality. It’s actually rampant in our high schools now. Calling it “free speech” and blaming restrictions on it on the Dems is just totally illicit.

    2. djrippert Avatar

      Garbage code using intentionally vague words. Lascivious? Really? The intent is to squelch free speech. The intent of the venue clause is nothing more than intimidation. If you say something mean to one of the General Assembly members we’ll drag you to Richmond for trial. Disgusting, disgraceful and anti-American.

      As for Jim Crow and Massive Resistance – a lot of Virginians opposed those policies. The elected Arlington school board voted to integrate Arlington’s schools in 1956. So, the General Assembly voted to dissolve Arlington’s school board rather than let them integrate the schools. Coercion by our state government has a long history in Virginia. Given that history you’d think that anything that smacked of restricting free speech opposition to government would be at least carefully worded.

  2. djrippert Avatar

    As for protecting everybody ….

    “B. Any person who orally makes a threat to kill or to do bodily injury to (i) any employee of any elementary, middle or secondary school, while on a school bus, on school property or at a school-sponsored activity or (ii) any health care provider as defined in § 8.01-581.1 who is engaged in the performance of his duties in a hospital as defined in § 18.2-57 or in an emergency room on the premises of any clinic or other facility rendering emergency medical care, unless the person is on the premises of the hospital or emergency room of the clinic or other facility rendering emergency medical care as a result of an emergency custody order pursuant to § 37.2-808, involuntary temporary detention order pursuant to § 37.2-809, involuntary hospitalization order pursuant to § 37.2-817, or emergency custody order of a conditionally released acquittee pursuant to § 19.2-182.9, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.”

    School employees? Health care providers? What about librarians? Crossing guards? Divorce attorneys? Professional football players?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      yeah, you’re evading the central issue which is that you CAN be sanctioned if you threaten a public official or employee – maybe not all are covered – but many are – and that’s the bigger point.

      If you say something that is considered a threat by law enforcement and/or the courts – your defense of the 1st amendment ain’t going to float.

      I’m totally opposed to his kind of interactions with public officials. No one should have the right to abuse them. You can disagree – strongly , passionately , harshly but verbal or written abuse is over the line.

      We’ve got a bunch of folks who are heathens these days… and don’t know how to disagree without going after others personally.

      That’s unacceptable.

  3. Bourne’s bill is nuts, for all the reasons you describe. I can’t imagine that it will get anywhere, not even in a Democratic-controlled legislature. But it is scary to know that we now have people who think this way getting elected to the General Assembly.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Most of the legislation is already enacted. Bourne wants to make the venue for enforcement of much of the existing legislation the City of Richmond. At least, that’s what I get out of this.

  4. Bourne’s bill is nuts, for all the reasons you describe. I can’t imagine that it will get anywhere, not even in a Democratic-controlled legislature. But it is scary to know that we now have people who think this way getting elected to the General Assembly.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Most of the legislation is already enacted. Bourne wants to make the venue for enforcement of much of the existing legislation the City of Richmond. At least, that’s what I get out of this.

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Yes, all of the sections affected are already on the books. In fact, the one that Don focused on, dealing with computer harassment, was enacted in 200o. The chief patron was David Albo, a Republican from Fairfax County.

    The provision for the venue to be Richmond would be narrow, applying only to the statewide elected officials, the state Supreme Court justices, and members and employees of the General Assembly. I really don’t know the justification for this designation of venue, but it does not seem something to get overly excited about.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      The whole set of laws, including the proposed change of venue, is just another example of the condescension and arrogance of the Richmond-based plantation elite. The plantation elite – a minority of Virginians from Richmond east to the Chesapeake, west to Lynchburg and south to the North Carolina border has long tried to dominate and domineer the remainder (majority) of Virginia. It lost Kentucky and what is now West Virginia due to its arrogance and willingness to disenfranchise every Virginian outside of the plantation elite. It not only made the idiotic decision to secede from the Union it also established Richmond as the capital of the insurrection. Jim Crow, Massive Resistance, eugenics and countless other idiocies ensued. All courtesy of the plantation elite. Yet membership in the plantation elite has its privileges. You get special legislation protecting the Richmond-based plantation elite from criticism. Ahh … what’s the worst that could happen? It’s not like some more counties might just defect to West Virginia … right?

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/west-virginia-counties-gun-control

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Yes, all of the sections affected are already on the books. In fact, the one that Don focused on, dealing with computer harassment, was enacted in 200o. The chief patron was David Albo, a Republican from Fairfax County.

    The provision for the venue to be Richmond would be narrow, applying only to the statewide elected officials, the state Supreme Court justices, and members and employees of the General Assembly. I really don’t know the justification for this designation of venue, but it does not seem something to get overly excited about.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      The whole set of laws, including the proposed change of venue, is just another example of the condescension and arrogance of the Richmond-based plantation elite. The plantation elite – a minority of Virginians from Richmond east to the Chesapeake, west to Lynchburg and south to the North Carolina border has long tried to dominate and domineer the remainder (majority) of Virginia. It lost Kentucky and what is now West Virginia due to its arrogance and willingness to disenfranchise every Virginian outside of the plantation elite. It not only made the idiotic decision to secede from the Union it also established Richmond as the capital of the insurrection. Jim Crow, Massive Resistance, eugenics and countless other idiocies ensued. All courtesy of the plantation elite. Yet membership in the plantation elite has its privileges. You get special legislation protecting the Richmond-based plantation elite from criticism. Ahh … what’s the worst that could happen? It’s not like some more counties might just defect to West Virginia … right?

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/west-virginia-counties-gun-control

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    I would think that harassment of ANY public official in the performance of his/here duties – would warrant sanctions.

    the idea that sanctions against such behavior would be a violation of the 1st or 6th amendments is grade A BUNK.

    And worse, the idea that we want to blame the Dems in this session for stuff that was done in prior sessions is just plain lame.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      And who sets the definition of harassment? You? Or lascivious language? You? And where did you get “in the performance of their duties”? And it’s not all public officials. It’s a hodge podge of select groups – school employees, General Assembly members, health care providers. Health care providers? As for blaming the Dems – it was a Dem who patroned the bill trying to strengthen these idiotic laws.

      These laws absolutely violate the first amendment. How do you outlaw the use of “lascivious language” in reference to General Assembly members? Or anybody else for that matter.

      As for the 6th amendment – how does an automatic change of venue to Richmond comport with a trial of one’s peers? It doesn’t.

      When Robert DeNiro yelled “F*** Trump” in a recorded interview should he have been arrested? Yes or no Larry? When Madonna said she’d perform oral sex on any man who voted for Hillary was that using “lascivious language”? Yes or no Larry?

      1. The answer is unfortunately a qualified yes. This bill hits particularly close to home with me. Having been branded a “threat” and “electronic terrorist” by a couple of local elected officials and county executives for allegedly posting a meme from the Big Lebowski, I have first hand experience with the intimidation as well as abuse of power and privilege this bill would further enable. I have had high ranking PD staff stake out my house and visit my office during work hours to pursue the “threat”. As one might imagine, those tactics did not work well with me and they were afforded extreme sarcasm and belittlement for their efforts. Fortunately the Chief of Police saw through the lies of the County staff leading to their termination by the County Board, but one has to wonder what would have happened to someone not quite as self-confident and willing to poke the bear.

        It is simply a bill to increase their ability to intimidate potential opponents, nothing less, nothing more.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        DJ – the issue is can you directly assault someone? Can you personally threaten them?

        I know there are nuances that the courts and lawyers figure out but don’t tell me you can say anything to anyone without consequences.

        Your 1st amendment rights do NOT allow you to threaten others and the determination of what constitutes a threat is NOT YOU!

    2. So, once they establish their special privilege allowing venue choice, what’s next, establishment of a Volksgerichtshof. What is truly scary is that many new members of the Commonwealth’s Politburo don’t understand the poor optics of the bill, in that it creates special privileges for a privileged class. That I actually had to take the time to explain that to my delegate speaks volumes with respect to the mindset in Richmond, particularly as I generally have very rational discussions with my delegate on who is on the furthest end of the political spectrum from me.

      1. djrippert Avatar

        Our lawmakers really don’t understand how they are perceived. In their mollycoddled minds they are heroes of the Commonwealth. In many citizen’s minds they are grifters and special privilege seekers.

        1. You left out scoundrels, functional illiterates and thin skinned mouthbreathers.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          I can guarantee you if you went to a BOS meeting and stood up and shouted “I am going to get you for your vote”… that it’s NOT “free speech” and if it’s caught on camera, you’re gonna be explaining.

          It can be an arguable point, yes, but you won’t be the decider.

          No one has the right to assault elected leaders nor public employees who are performing their duties.

          And the thing is – folks who are good were language – can totally eviscerate someone and it’s not a threat. Vicious criticism – no threat.

          It’s DUMB to do that.

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    I would think that harassment of ANY public official in the performance of his/here duties – would warrant sanctions.

    the idea that sanctions against such behavior would be a violation of the 1st or 6th amendments is grade A BUNK.

    And worse, the idea that we want to blame the Dems in this session for stuff that was done in prior sessions is just plain lame.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      And who sets the definition of harassment? You? Or lascivious language? You? And where did you get “in the performance of their duties”? And it’s not all public officials. It’s a hodge podge of select groups – school employees, General Assembly members, health care providers. Health care providers? As for blaming the Dems – it was a Dem who patroned the bill trying to strengthen these idiotic laws.

      These laws absolutely violate the first amendment. How do you outlaw the use of “lascivious language” in reference to General Assembly members? Or anybody else for that matter.

      As for the 6th amendment – how does an automatic change of venue to Richmond comport with a trial of one’s peers? It doesn’t.

      When Robert DeNiro yelled “F*** Trump” in a recorded interview should he have been arrested? Yes or no Larry? When Madonna said she’d perform oral sex on any man who voted for Hillary was that using “lascivious language”? Yes or no Larry?

      1. The answer is unfortunately a qualified yes. This bill hits particularly close to home with me. Having been branded a “threat” and “electronic terrorist” by a couple of local elected officials and county executives for allegedly posting a meme from the Big Lebowski, I have first hand experience with the intimidation as well as abuse of power and privilege this bill would further enable. I have had high ranking PD staff stake out my house and visit my office during work hours to pursue the “threat”. As one might imagine, those tactics did not work well with me and they were afforded extreme sarcasm and belittlement for their efforts. Fortunately the Chief of Police saw through the lies of the County staff leading to their termination by the County Board, but one has to wonder what would have happened to someone not quite as self-confident and willing to poke the bear.

        It is simply a bill to increase their ability to intimidate potential opponents, nothing less, nothing more.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        DJ – the issue is can you directly assault someone? Can you personally threaten them?

        I know there are nuances that the courts and lawyers figure out but don’t tell me you can say anything to anyone without consequences.

        Your 1st amendment rights do NOT allow you to threaten others and the determination of what constitutes a threat is NOT YOU!

    2. So, once they establish their special privilege allowing venue choice, what’s next, establishment of a Volksgerichtshof. What is truly scary is that many new members of the Commonwealth’s Politburo don’t understand the poor optics of the bill, in that it creates special privileges for a privileged class. That I actually had to take the time to explain that to my delegate speaks volumes with respect to the mindset in Richmond, particularly as I generally have very rational discussions with my delegate on who is on the furthest end of the political spectrum from me.

      1. djrippert Avatar

        Our lawmakers really don’t understand how they are perceived. In their mollycoddled minds they are heroes of the Commonwealth. In many citizen’s minds they are grifters and special privilege seekers.

        1. You left out scoundrels, functional illiterates and thin skinned mouthbreathers.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          I can guarantee you if you went to a BOS meeting and stood up and shouted “I am going to get you for your vote”… that it’s NOT “free speech” and if it’s caught on camera, you’re gonna be explaining.

          It can be an arguable point, yes, but you won’t be the decider.

          No one has the right to assault elected leaders nor public employees who are performing their duties.

          And the thing is – folks who are good were language – can totally eviscerate someone and it’s not a threat. Vicious criticism – no threat.

          It’s DUMB to do that.

  9. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    It is quite a stretch to lump this change of venue in with Jim Crow and Massive Resistance. This statute is not designed to protect Richmond politicians from criticism; it applies to everyone. And Virginia is not alone in enacting laws aimed at computer harassment. Most states and the federal government have such laws. See: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Harassment.htm

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      but don’t let the facts get in the way of blaming the Dems for this…

      In the age of the internet, online harassment is a reality. It’s actually rampant in our high schools now. Calling it “free speech” and blaming restrictions on it on the Dems is just totally illicit.

    2. djrippert Avatar

      Garbage code using intentionally vague words. Lascivious? Really? The intent is to squelch free speech. The intent of the venue clause is nothing more than intimidation. If you say something mean to one of the General Assembly members we’ll drag you to Richmond for trial. Disgusting, disgraceful and anti-American.

      As for Jim Crow and Massive Resistance – a lot of Virginians opposed those policies. The elected Arlington school board voted to integrate Arlington’s schools in 1956. So, the General Assembly voted to dissolve Arlington’s school board rather than let them integrate the schools. Coercion by our state government has a long history in Virginia. Given that history you’d think that anything that smacked of restricting free speech opposition to government would be at least carefully worded.

  10. djrippert Avatar

    As for protecting everybody ….

    “B. Any person who orally makes a threat to kill or to do bodily injury to (i) any employee of any elementary, middle or secondary school, while on a school bus, on school property or at a school-sponsored activity or (ii) any health care provider as defined in § 8.01-581.1 who is engaged in the performance of his duties in a hospital as defined in § 18.2-57 or in an emergency room on the premises of any clinic or other facility rendering emergency medical care, unless the person is on the premises of the hospital or emergency room of the clinic or other facility rendering emergency medical care as a result of an emergency custody order pursuant to § 37.2-808, involuntary temporary detention order pursuant to § 37.2-809, involuntary hospitalization order pursuant to § 37.2-817, or emergency custody order of a conditionally released acquittee pursuant to § 19.2-182.9, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.”

    School employees? Health care providers? What about librarians? Crossing guards? Divorce attorneys? Professional football players?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      yeah, you’re evading the central issue which is that you CAN be sanctioned if you threaten a public official or employee – maybe not all are covered – but many are – and that’s the bigger point.

      If you say something that is considered a threat by law enforcement and/or the courts – your defense of the 1st amendment ain’t going to float.

      I’m totally opposed to his kind of interactions with public officials. No one should have the right to abuse them. You can disagree – strongly , passionately , harshly but verbal or written abuse is over the line.

      We’ve got a bunch of folks who are heathens these days… and don’t know how to disagree without going after others personally.

      That’s unacceptable.

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