Fairfax County Declines Assistance in Protecting Supreme Court Justices as Unconstitutional

By James C. Sherlock

Jeffrey McKay

The Chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, a career progressive politician unburdened by a law degree, has declared Fairfax County’s support of federal authorities in execution of federal law to be unconstitutional.

Not unaffordable; not wrong; but unconstitutional.

He offered that opinion to justify his decision that the Fairfax County police will not help the federal government protect three Supreme Court Justices who live in the county.

Nonsense.  That is not the reason.

The Justices who live in the county are all conservatives – Samuel Alito, Amy Coney Barrett and Clarence Thomas – under attack by the left and threatened with personal harm.

That is the reason.

If Justice Kagan had a home in Fairfax County and was threatened, the FCPD would stand up a new division to protect her.  The perimeter would be a half mile in every direction.

From an AP story:

Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman Jeff McKay said Youngkin’s request for a security perimeter is unnecessary and improper. He said establishing a perimeter would amount to creating an unconstitutional neighborhood “checkpoint” that would infringe on First Amendment protest rights. He also noted that protests that have occurred outside Alito’s home in the Fort Hunt neighborhood have been peaceful.

He did not “note” that they would continue to be peaceful.

The unconstitutionality claim appears to have been made up out of thin air, given the federal law that not only permits, but requires, that judges be protected from protests that attempt to influence their official decisions.

The threats.  The Board of Supervisors has prioritized safe streets and neighborhoods.  Note that the Fairfax County Police Department has its own Counterterrorism Unit.  Fairfax has defined terrorism as “the use of force or violence against persons or property for purposes of intimidation, coercion, or ransom”.

Unmentioned by McKay or the story was the fact that the Justices are under public threats to their safety.   “Unnecessary”?  Mackay should check with the U.S. Marshals Service.  Or review the fire bombing of a Wisconsin anti-abortion organization’s office.

Antifa, infamous for violent protests, is directly involved in the opposition. They famously “use force or violence for purposes of intimidation”.

The threats are severe enough that the U.S. Marshals Service has been assigned to lead the federal efforts to protect the justices.   They can not do that properly in Fairfax County without the full cooperation of the Fairfax County police.  That department can choose to cooperate with federal authorities in enforcing federal law in the matter, but Mckay indicates they will not.

The policing options.

When federal, state and local jurisdictions cooperate on a case, it is because each needs the others.

Each has specific resources, not only legal and financial but also investigative resources. Each will investigate what their assignments and warrants will permit. Each will charge what their laws permit.

They do it every single day in Virginia and across the country in cases big and small.  It happens daily after the fact at the incident command level and in major pre-planned events like a presidential inauguration or Super Bowl.  Since 9/11, such coordination has been formalized into standing joint task forces across the country.

The Virginia State Police, which the Governor can control, is short hundreds of troopers.   The many statutory missions of the state police do not include policing neighborhoods.

Policing Fairfax County neighborhoods is the role of the Fairfax County Police Department (FCPD).  None of us would have that responsibility moved to the state or federal government.

Unconstitutionality claim.  Mr. McKay’s unconstitutionality claim is challenged by the fact that a federal law prohibiting picketing of the justices’ homes has been in place undisturbed by court decisions since 1950.

Mckay’s statement implied that 18 U.S. Code § 1507 Picketing or parading is unconstitutional.

Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. (emphasis added).

Nothing in this section shall interfere with or prevent the exercise by any court of the United States of its power to punish for contempt.

Since 18 U.S. Code § 1507 has been in place since 1950, it appears that the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors may need a better constitutional lawyer before Mackay speaks on the subject.

The Fairfax Board also positions § 18.2-419. Picketing or disrupting tranquility of home as unconstitutional.  I assume they will inform the General Assembly.

What to do?

The FCPD should do its job.  Unless it has withdrawn from the regional Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF), it and other national capitol region jurisdictions can use that venue to cooperate with the federal government to protect the Justices.

If the Board of Supervisors will permit it to do so.

Updated May 13 at noon.

 


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107 responses to “Fairfax County Declines Assistance in Protecting Supreme Court Justices as Unconstitutional”

  1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    So, if Justice Thomas makes a 911 call, it will be ignored? That would be highly discriminatory and unconstitutional. That is just stupid. Their houses are not on federal property.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Of course it would not be ignored.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        It is because their homes are not on federal property that the feds need state and local government assistance.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          The feds NEVER need state and local assistance. Just ask ’em. They’ll tell you.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          With the wave of their magic opinions they could make it federal property. “Why this is The Supreme Court, nor am I out of it.”

        3. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          With the wave of their magic opinions they could make it federal property. “Why this is The Supreme Court, nor am I out of it.”

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “Although race discrimination is widely regarded as a major problem in American policing, the federal government’s ability to address it is limited. The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment promises equal treatment of all racial groups by government agencies and officials – local, state and federal. Congress has the power to pass legislation in response to violations of the Equal Protection Clause, such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

      But the Supreme Court ?has held that the equal protection guarantee bans only intentional race discrimination by governmental bodies and officials. Policies and practices that have a disproportionate effect on a racial group do not necessarily violate the Constitution. So the Supreme Court would likely conclude that the Constitution does not allow the federal government to bar state and local police policies and practices simply because they have a disproportionate racial impact.”

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, in Clarance’s case, he can always seek redress from the Civil Rights division of the DoJ…

  2. I suggest the Justices employ the December 1969 Altamont Speedway security arrangement. Or ask the Ohio National Guard to deploy.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      To do what? Shoot students three blocks from the justice’s houses… in the back.

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    You need to get the story straight. First of all, the code section you cited is federal law. Local police do not enforce federal law. Second, and most importantly, as the AP story you cited notes, Youngkin asked Fairfax to establish a “secure perimeter” around the Justices’ homes, complete with checkpoints in streets. That is what the Board chairman is saying is unconstitutional. I am certain that the chairman checked with the country attorneys before making such a statement.

    To accuse Fairfax County of refusing to protect some of its citizens because they are conservative, without a shred of proof or evidence, is irresponsible.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Dick, you are incorrect. State and local police may assist in the enforcement of federal law and vice versa. They do so every single day. That is why there are federal, state, local joint task forces. FCPD is just not doing it in this case.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Keyword: may. Many state and local police in many states do not work with, oh say, ICE.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          So Fairfax County is an Antifa sanctuary county?

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            If it wishes. Or, Michigan Militia should it choose. You remember them, the first modern J6’ers

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        But, assisting the feds is not what McKay balked at. It was Youngkin’s request that Fairfax establish a secure perimeter, along with traffic checkpoints.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          You wrote above that “Local police do not enforce federal law.” That is simply not the case.

          And by what court decision was police setting a secure perimeter to prevent crime found unconstitutional?

          So then are police security arrangements for Presidential inaugurations and Super Bowls.

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            The U.S. Supreme Court in Indianapolis v. Edmond (531 U.S. 32) held that when their “primary purpose is indistinguishable from the general interest in crime control, the checkpoints violate the Fourth Amendment.”

            https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/boundvolumes/531bv.pdf

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Not a precedent here, counselor.

            See https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/03pdf/02-1060.pdf

            “In Edmond, this Court held that, absent special circumstances, the Fourth Amendment forbids police to make stops without individualized suspicion at a checkpoint set up primarily for general “crime control” purposes.”

            The perimeter requested here would not be not set up for “general crime control” purposes, but rather in response to specific threats against the security and safety of the three Justices.

          3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            Threats against the security and safety of citizens seem to fall in the category of general crime control.

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Specific threats against 3 individuals do not.

          5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            I don’t agree with the demonstrations and picketing at the Justices’ houses. Anyone has, dare I say it, the right of privacy in their homes. Also, such demonstrations also disturb the whole neighborhood.

            That being said, what “specific” threats have there been?

            To put the shoe on the other foot, would you favor the police establishing a “secure perimeter” around an abortion clinic to prevent harassment and threats against staff and those seeking an abortion? What about a secure perimeter around the home of a doctor who performs abortions if there are demonstrations at his house?

          6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You are really reaching on the specific threats question. Where do you get your national news? That is a serious question.

            See CBS News, hardly a right wing mouthpiece: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-draft-law-enforcement-alert/

            For the federal government’s assessment of the specificity and seriousness of the threats, see the fact that the U.S. Marshals Service took control of federal protection of the Justices from the Supreme Court Marshal and Supreme Court police.

            As for your “what about” straw men, I want every citizen against whom there has been a specific and credible threat of violence to be protected by the government from harm. That is the primary reason we organize into governments in the first place.

          7. Kathleen Smith Avatar
            Kathleen Smith

            How will the checkpoints help without a clear identification of someone?

          8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Weapons checks.

        2. Kathleen Smith Avatar
          Kathleen Smith

          What are traffic checkpoints going to do? Snarl more of NOVAs traffic?

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Set up on local streets. Check cars and other vehicles for weapons. Turn vehicles away if not local addresses on the drivers’ licenses. People might have to wait for their lawn services.

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            There is something called the Fourth Amendment at play here. Searches without probable cause.

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Come on Dick. Have you ever walked through a screener at the airport? Did they have probable cause?

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      There is also a Virginia law that prohibits picketing at people’s residences. As is so often the case, the Virginia law is vaguely written prohibiting the picketing if it threatens the tranquility of the home.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I doubt if either side wants to see people arrested. Video of the police dragging off a screaming protestor would create quite a spectacle and would be a public relations bonanza for the pro-abortion group.

        1. killerhertz Avatar
          killerhertz

          You’re right a knee to the back would be better

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        § 18.2-419. Picketing or disrupting tranquility of home

    3. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      You are the sane one to the Left here. How is it irresponsible to accuse the Fairfax County apparat of not protecting the conservative justices as political? I think the assertion has been made credibly. Now rebut. You can’t prove a negative – I get that…but you can draw inferences. Is Fairfax a sanctuary city/county? Does Fairfax have a Soros prosecutor? Did Fairfax have a Summer of Love “mostly peaceful protests?”
      Is that sufficient evidence to make the assertion?
      I think the mere evidence itself of not defending the Justices’ houses is enough.
      In a sane world, not occupied by the worshipers of Molech, this should be an embarrassment and Fairfax should enforce all laws uniformly. Not based on politics. Law is being destroyed for politics and it is a horrific short term decision.

    4. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      I seriously doubt that the County Attorney’s office did any research. Fairfax County government is woke.

      Keep in mind that the Fairfax County Attorney’s office opined that there was no conflict of interest for BoS Chairman Gerry Connolly to vote for adding a Metrorail station in front of SAIC’s office building on Route 7 in Tysons when Connolly was also a vice president of SAIC.

      So, what answer do you want?

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Also, Marbury v Madison (1803) was decided without a specific reference in the Constitution about judicial review. It is mere precedent upon which the present SCOTUS relied to overturn Roe v. Wade. Reach back far enough into history and you will find many questionable events including that of Rep Connolly.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Roe was a precedent and as such could be overturned. Roe as always has been legislating from the bench and therefore bad “law”. It’s been 50 years since it’s decision, there should have been codification in that 50 years using a measured approach.

          Justice Ginsburg argued it was a poor decision based upon the fact they should’ve used the Due Process Clause not the right to privacy. She also went as far to say it was the wrong case to establish the right to Abortion.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Marbury v Madison was decided upon the implication of Judicial Review rooted in Article III Section 2 and Article 4 of the Constitution.

          That statement is accepted fact by Constitutional Scholars, which as far as I can tell, you are not one nor have you ever been.

        3. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Marbury v Madison was decided upon the implication of Judicial Review rooted in Article III Section 2 and Article 4 of the Constitution.

          That statement is accepted fact by Constitutional Scholars, which as far as I can tell, you are not one nor have you ever been.

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Connolly indeed did what you wrote.

    5. Donald Smith Avatar
      Donald Smith

      “To accuse Fairfax County of refusing to protect some of its citizens because they are conservative, without a shred of proof or evidence, is irresponsible.”

      …but it would surprise no one who’s been paying attention. That’s the kind of thing we’ve come to expect from progressive-dominated local governments.

      Also, the supervisor’s blase attitude to the fact that protests are going on outside of officials’ homes—two of whom have school-age children—is another indication that this “By Any Means Necessary” attitude has taken hold of Democrats. When did we all collectively decide that it’s OK to target the homes of people with whom we disagree?

      We’ve seen progressive activists target people at their homes, in restaurants (the Little Red Hen in Lexington, Senator Cruz in D.C.) and at weddings (AZ Senator Kyrsten Sinema). It appears that progressives have decided that anyone with whom they disagree forfeits the right to have a normal home and social life. And those progressives appear to dominate the Democratic Party.

      What are the consequences to me, as a Democrat officeholder in woke NOVA, if protesters in Handmaid’s Tale costumes throw bricks through the windows of the Kavanaugh and Barrett homes? I can simply put out some mealy-mouth statement condemning the violence and arrest a few suspects (whom I quickly release on no bail). The WaPo will write one or two articles, and perhaps an editorial, accusing both sides of violence, and in six months we’ll quietly drop the charges against the rock-throwers. It’s a now-well-known pattern.

      Lastly, if putting a safety cordon around a SCOTUS justice’s house is unconstitutional, isn’t it also unconstitutional for law enforcement to ignore (or selectively enforce) a federal law? If the laws are not being faithfully executed by local officials, isn’t a governor compelled to act?

  4. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    This behavior sets a dangerous precedence. Don’t like a Jurists decision or want to sway them (as it stands this decision is pending and has not yet been concluded), just intimidate them in their own home. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment aspect of protest, if that is the goal the Justices sit at the big building they put a perimeter around, do your protesting there.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Okay. You’re wrong.

  6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Youngkin has cited state law as a basis to arrest those protesting near the justices’ (not judges) residences. Note he has not acted to enforce such laws because he knows such action will end up in court and he will lose. Put up or shut up, Youngkin…

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Eric the half a troll • 17 minutes ago
      Youngkin has cited state law as a basis to arrest those protesting near the justices’ (not judges) residences. Note he has not acted to enforce such laws because he knows such action will end up in court and he will lose. Put up or shut up, Youngkin…”

      He would not lose in court, the presumption that he would is based upon faulty logical and partisan beliefs.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Then he should do his duty… which he is opting not to do… instead he is demagoguing the issue on Fox.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          This is an attempt to avoid a jurisdictional issue in court and to combine resources for success.

          When federal, state and local jurisdictions cooperate on a case, it is because each needs the others. Each has specific resources, not only legal and financial but also investigative resources. Each will investigate what their assignments and warrants will permit. Each will charge what their laws permit.

          That is why you often see people charged in both federal and state courts for different crimes resulting from the same incident.

          That applies in crime prevention as well. All of them have different capabilities and different jurisdictions but share the same goal.

          That happens multiple times every single day.

          At its largest scale it happens at presidential inaugurations and other National Special Security Events with the Secret Service as the lead federal agency.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            And yet nothing stops Youngkin from prosecuting those who he says are breaking state law… except Youngkin himself… he doesn’t do it because he knows he is in the wrong and if the shoe were on the other foot (say this were anti-abortion protestors exercising their first amendment rights) he would be the first to defend them on Fox… it makes great politics for him to his base and that is the ONLY thing he is ever concerned with.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            State police have limited resources. In Fairfax County, FCPD is the big dog. Thus the request for assistance. Pretty simple concept exercised daily between state and local cops.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Really?! He doesn’t have enough cops is your excuse…?! That is laughable…

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I don’t need an excuse.

            You do know that VSP is short hundreds of troopers. https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/virginia-state-police-adds-new-troopers-need-hundreds-more/

            You also know, of course, that the many statutory missions of the state police do not include policing neighborhoods.

            I thought so, just checking.

            Have a nice day. Keep laughing.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You don’t need an excuse but you made one for Youngkin. The one you supplied for him is simply not valid… see attached for example…. Youngkin could act with the State Police as was done in Charlottesville in 2017… he knows he is way outside his Constitutional authority in this case, however, so he won’t act while he demand others act instead… he is a hypocrite plain and simple… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e183c77607158eea904e74496787d04078cd66e35b9751986f064b844b39863b.jpg

          6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You make my case. The entire Charlottesville Police force was involved in that as well. All of it.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The FCPD sees no reason to arrest anybody for peaceful protests. That is Youngkin’s (supposed) position. He has the authority and the resources to arrest the peaceful protestors if he wishes (Va governors have deployed troopers elsewhere for public safety reasons as I’ve shown above) … he won’t because he does not really believe his own rhetoric and is (as we all already know) a hypocrite.

          8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You conflated a protective perimeter to screen access to deny it to those with weapons with arrests. Nice try.

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I conflate nothing. Youngkin says state and federal laws are being violated. He demands others act to deny 1st amendment rights to protestors but refuses to enforce these same state laws that he claims are being violated. He knows he is on the wrong rhetorically and his demands are therefore hypocritical.

          10. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Both federal and state (Code of Virginia § 18.2-419. Picketing or disrupting tranquility of home) laws are being violated.

            Those are the only two types of laws there are in Virginia. State police do not police neighborhoods. Local police do. Or in this case choose not to do so.

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Again, Youngkin clearly has the authority to send in troopers if he wants to.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          This is an attempt to avoid a jurisdictional issue in court and to combine resources for success.

          When federal, state and local jurisdictions cooperate on a case, it is because each needs the others. Each has specific resources, not only legal and financial but also investigative resources. Each will investigate what their assignments and warrants will permit. Each will charge what their laws permit.

          That is why you often see people charged in both federal and state courts for different crimes resulting from the same incident.

          That applies in crime prevention as well. All of them have different capabilities and different jurisdictions but share the same goal.

          That happens multiple times every single day.

          At its largest scale it happens at presidential inaugurations and other National Special Security Events with the Secret Service as the lead federal agency.

        3. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Eric the half a troll 8 minutes ago
          Then he should do his duty… which he is opting not to do… instead he is demagoguing the issue on Fox.”

          I don’t think you have a clue of what demagoguery means and that is evident by your misuse in your own comment, where you used it as nothing more than an ad hom attack.

          “a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.”

          In fact Gov. Youngkin and Gov. Hogan wrote a Letter to the AG requesting Federal Assistance in protecting a member of their branch of Government under US Code.

          So perhaps it is you, who should step back and make a rational argument instead of my di*k is bigger than yours.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            That is exactly what he did… and exactly why he did it in Fox… still waiting for Youngkin to prosecute protestors under state law… I won’t hold my breath because he will never do it and his lack of action speaks way louder than his words… and makes him a hypocrite to boot…

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the half a troll 2 hours ago
            That is exactly what he did… and exactly why he did it in Fox… still waiting for Youngkin to prosecute protestors under state law… I won’t hold my breath because he will never do it and his lack of action speaks way louder than his words… and makes him a hypocrite to boot…”

            Again, he has made a formal request to the Department of Justice I’m conjunction with another Governor for them to enforce 18 US 1507. Going on television to emplore the DoJ does their job isn’t “demogoguary” by any sense of the word. You bemoaning that is like saying someone stumping on TV for a petition is demogoguary, which is false.

            You don’t like Gov. Youngkin, which is your right. However, if anyone is being hypocritical, it would be yourself. The fact that you’re not outraged at the intimidation that is being used which could have a chilling impact on our Justice system because they rules in manner in which you don’t agree is hypocritical.

            You sir are a partisan hack, whom by my count has been incorrect on every single legal opinion you’ve weighed in on.

        4. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Damn. Thought he had choked on his pacifier. Comment quality went waaaay up when he took his posts from my view. Good old self-censoring.

          “Please, Boss, don’t throw me in the briar patch.”

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Eric the half a troll • 17 minutes ago
      Youngkin has cited state law as a basis to arrest those protesting near the justices’ (not judges) residences. Note he has not acted to enforce such laws because he knows such action will end up in court and he will lose. Put up or shut up, Youngkin…”

      He would not lose in court, the presumption that he would is based upon faulty logical and partisan beliefs.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I’ll ask you the same question that I asked Dick:

      By what court decision was police setting a secure perimeter to prevent crime found unconstitutional? Must have been handed down after one to the presidential inaugurations or Super Bowls.

      As for federal, state and local police cooperation – the lack of same was found to be a primary reason for the 9/11 attacks. That was the impetus for setting joint law enforcement task forces all over the country.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        By what credible threat are they setting a security perimeter? Chalk on a sidewalk?

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          What credible threat existed at the various Super Bowls?

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Same credible threat that makes you walk through a TSA screener to get on an airplane. No weapons allowed.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Do you realize how dumb that statement is? None of those justices do their own grocery shopping.

            In your analogy, these three would be safe. They’d have box cutters and the Constitution is a B757.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I am not arguing the Constitutionality of perimeters in general but the intervention of the State in a peaceful, non-threatening exercise of citizen’s first amendment rights. Do you claim that there is a lack of court decisions supporting this right?

        Btw, in Madsen v. Women’s Health Center, Inc. the Court concluded that the 300-foot radius perimeter rules were too broad, thus restricting the protestors more than was necessary. It was found to be unconstitutional. 36 feet… ok… 300… too much.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Madsen v Women’s Health Clinic applied to a public building, not a private residence.

      3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I am not arguing the Constitutionality of perimeters in general but the intervention of the State in a peaceful, non-threatening exercise of citizen’s first amendment rights. Do you claim that there is a lack of court decisions supporting this right?

        Btw, in Madsen v. Women’s Health Center, Inc. the Court concluded that the 300-foot radius perimeter rules were too broad, thus restricting the protestors more than was necessary. It was found to be unconstitutional. 36 feet… ok… 300… too much.

      4. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Bush free speech zones?

        The Supreme Court has developed a four-part analysis to evaluate the constitutionality of time, place and manner (TPM) restrictions. To pass muster under the First Amendment, TPM restrictions must be neutral with respect to content, be narrowly drawn, serve a significant government interest, and leave open alternative channels of communication. “

      5. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Rewriting the history of reasons for the 9/11 attack is pure historical misinformation. To do so as a rationale for local police protection is an absurdity and a tiresome method of debate.

  7. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Which or whose ox is gored defines the outrage of complaint. “Lock her up” was perfectly acceptable for the feral MAGA crowds. “Beat the crap out of protestors” was acceptable. Now, a conservative personality is the subject of neighborhood protests, translated as dangerous to their person, that requires local police protection. Moreover, this article hints there is some nexus to terrorism. However, the article does not cite Antifa nor George Soros to its credit.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “James McCarthy • 10 minutes ago
      Which or whose ox is gored defines the outrage of complaint. “Lock her up” was perfectly acceptable for the feral MAGA crowds. “Beat the crap out of protestors” was acceptable. Now, a conservative personality is the subject of neighborhood protests, translated as dangerous to their person, that requires local police protection. Moreover, this article hints there is some nexus to terrorism. However, the article does not cite Antifa nor George Soros to its credit.”

      So an alleged member of the New York Bar advocates for protesting at Judge and Jurists houses on pending decisions? That’s intimidation and frankly is a crime, if you want to protest the Court and their pending decision march your happy behind to the Court House.

  8. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Northern Virginia, at least Fairfax and Arlington counties, is becoming more like California by the day. I’m sure that the County Attorney advised him that he had no legal basis but he doesn’t care. By the time this things winds through the courts he will have collected enough campaign donations for the next election.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Who are you talking about the county attorney advising?

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Who are you talking about the county attorney advising?

    3. killerhertz Avatar
      killerhertz

      It’s time for a state divorce.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwpwPwWIueM

    Yep. Your hypothesis failed, Captain.

  10. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    See, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-supreme-court-has-itself-to-thank-for-upholding-laws-that-could-be-used-to-criminalize-protests-outside-justices-homes/ar-AAXdaoU

    Are there any lawyers employed by Fairfax County that know how to find applicable case law? The BoS chair has been ill-advised.

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    General Jason Miyares issued a statement after threats of protestors disrupting Catholic masses this Sunday were reported.

    Miyares states that despite him respecting the First Amendment rights of free speech and assembly, no one should interfere with Virginians being able to practice their religion in peace.

    “If protest activities directed at houses of worship cross the line to illegal obstruction, intimidation, or interference, I will not hesitate to bring suit to protect the religious freedom of the citizens of this Commonwealth,” he states.

    IF

    To act preemptively would violate the protestor’s right of speech.

  12. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Btw, the decision is already made… that is clear. Intent here is not to influence a decision that is going to be made but to protest a decision already reached… and leaked. The onus is on the State to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) the opposite is true.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Btw, the decision is already made… that is clear. Intent here is not to influence a decision that is going to be made but to protest a decision already reached… and leaked. The onus is on the State to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) the opposite is true.”

      That’s is simply not true at all. Until the decision is published it’s pending. Therefore this is legally intimidation and a violation of the law.

      “Intimidation means to unlawfully place another person in reasonable fear of bodily harm through the use of threatening words and/or other conduct, but without displaying a weapon or subjecting the victim to actual physical attack.”

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Plenty of reasonable doubt there… I know you are a mind reader and all but that won’t fly in the courts.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Eric the half a troll Matt Adams
          2 hours ago edited
          Plenty of reasonable doubt there… I know you are a mind reader and all but that won’t fly in the courts.”

          Not really, it fits the legal definition of intimidation. If you want to protest so it at the Courthouse not their private residence, as that implies intent to harm.

          It’s also very clear you don’t know what reasonable doubt implies.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act of 2021, which has been passed by the House of Representatives and is under discussion in the Senate, offers the possibility of significant policing reforms. But for those looking to the federal government to solve what’s wrong with policing in America, the legislation can’t ensure that every police department will make meaningful changes.

    That’s because the bill reflects the hard reality that the federal government has almost no control over state and local police departments.”

    Too bad. Maybe if the Republicans had just voted “Aye”…

    Additional reading: https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IF10572.pdf

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Control is not the word in play. Cooperation and coordination are. JTTF. Look it up. Been operating around the country since soon after 9/11.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        J — as in Joint? Tell me a fairy tale, call it JMPS…

        “In 2005, Portland, Oregon became the first city in the nation to withdraw from a JTTF after the City Council voted 4–1 to leave.[18] The city rejoined the task force in 2015, with the City Council voting 3–2 to approve the assignment of two of its city’s police officers to join the JTTF staff.[19][20] In 2019, Portland again voted to leave the JTTF by a 3–2 vote.[21][20]

        After joining in 2002, San Francisco, California withdrew its police officers from the JTTF in 2017.[20] It was later revealed in 2019 from an FBI white paper that San Francisco police officers and the FBI were not truthful about the JTTF’s violations of local law and policy, and that the police involved with JTTF thought civil rights and free speech in San Francisco were a problem.[22]”

        Please to note “voting” to join and withdraw… voting… sounds voluntary to me. And not since 2001, but since 1980.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Control is not the word in play. Cooperation and coordination are. JTTF. Look it up. Been operating around the country since soon after 9/11.

  14. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Frisby v. Schultz, 487 U.S. 474 (1988). That case upheld a Brookfield, Wisconsin ordinance making it “unlawful for any person to engage in picketing before or about the residence or dwelling of any individual,” and declaring that the primary purpose of the ban is to “protec[t] and preserv[e] the home” through assurance “that members of the community enjoy in their homes . . . a feeling of wellbeing, tranquility, and privacy.”

    The district court found the ordinance to be unconstitutional, and the court of appeals affirmed. However, SCOTUS reversed with Justices Brennan, Marshall and Stevens dissenting. Incidentally, the ordinance was used to prevent peaceful picketing at the residence of a doctor who performed abortions.

  15. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    I seem to remember Northam declaring a state of emergency prior to the January 2020 gun rights rally in Richmond. Top shelf security and all. No incidents. The protestors selected the capitol not the personal addresses of state Democratic lawmakers.
    https://www.nbc12.com/2020/01/20/thousands-ascend-virginia-capitol-gun-rights-rally-everything-you-need-know-live-updates/
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dcc75c11f51010c98643dd6184b348ef7f22bbb5874b0b4636ded0ea1dc71092.jpg

  16. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The SCOTUS has always set the perimeter greater for themselves than for others.

  17. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    What does it mean to be “near” a judge’s residence? Fifty or 100 feet? A mile? If they are on public property I don’t see the big deal. They have a right to protest. All because they are conservative Supreme Court justices does not take away that right.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “What does it mean to be “near” a judge’s residence? Fifty or 100 feet? A mile? If they are on public property I don’t see the big deal. They have a right to protest. All because they are conservative Supreme Court justices does not take away that right.”

      Your implications are false, I would just as outraged if conservative individuals protested at a Left Leaning Justice’s home. The fact that you have zero issue with intimidation is a very sad stance and will end up harming your political allies.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      It is their right to protest that is holding Youngkin from prosecuting under state law. He knows it and we know it. This is all about his political theater to keep the base reved up… nothing more….

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Local police departments are responsible for policing neighborhoods, not the feds or state police. You know that and support it. So do I. Local cops enforce both federal and state laws in those neighborhoods. You know that too. They don’t ignore a bank robbery because it is a federal crime.

      The federal law is very specific to protecting judges from picketing at their homes.

      Try Code of Virginia § 18.2-419. Picketing or disrupting tranquility of home if you don’t care for the federal law.

      The Fairfax County PD is not enforcing either. Which is a choice they have made. You agree with their choice. I do not. Fini.

  18. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Given that these are the arbiters of all that is constitutional, let them say, “To not protect me is unconstitutional,” and be done with it.

  19. Merchantseamen Avatar
    Merchantseamen

    How does one guy on the BoS have the authority to tell the FCBD to stand down? Appears the Chief is a coward…oh wait he is beholden to the politicians and union for his pension. One LEO group he does not have authority over is the Sheriff’s Department. If I remember my civics they are elected and are beholden only to the people who elected him. Then again in NOVA he could be a coward also.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, the people and whoever donates money to their campaign, or just flat out bribes them by remodeling their house for free, or cuts them in on the profits of the meth sales, etc., etc.

      1. Merchantseamen Avatar
        Merchantseamen

        Nancy….that is a good one. I usually do not agree with…usually. However I like the page you are on. Thank You.

  20. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    For all those commenters who called on the state police or county police to enforce the federal statute and arrest the protestors, here is what Secretary of Public Safety and Homeland Security Bob Mosier said about that: “We don’t have federal policing powers. We can’t act on that; it would be up to the federal government, the U.S. Marshal Service, something of that nature.”

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I’ll tell you what I told Peter.

      Local police departments are responsible for policing neighborhoods, not the feds or state police. You know that and support it. So do I.

      Local cops enforce both federal and state laws in those neighborhoods. State and federal are the only two originators of laws in Virginia. You know that too.

      Local cops don’t ignore a bank robbery because it is a federal crime.

      The federal law is very specific to protecting judges from picketing at their homes.

      If you want Virginia law, go to Code of Virginia § 18.2-419. Picketing or disrupting tranquility of home .

      The Fairfax County PD is not enforcing either. Which is a choice they have made.

      You agree with their choice. I do not. Fini

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