Enviros Help Kill Dominion EV School Bus Bill

School bus? Storage battery? No, utility profit center.

by Steve Haner

When the Senate bill that allowed Dominion Energy Virginia to buy a fleet of electric school buses with ratepayer dollars was up for discussion last week, three environmentalist lobbyists spoke against it. They focused on the excessive cost and questioned whether it was a reasonable way to develop useful battery storage.

The counterattack was immediate and fierce and came from a Hampton Roads Democratic delegate.  “I can’t believe environmentalists are testifying that electric school buses are bad for the environment!” he shouted into his computer’s microphone. He ignored what they actually said and attacked on a false front, seeking to force them back into their accustomed swim lane. 

To their credit, their opposition continued, with a bit of a boost from Bacon’s Rebellion. The bill was defeated on the floor of the House today, a noteworthy instance where the environmentalists persuaded a healthy number of Democrats to reject something based on cost.

“It has become very clear to us who are trying to decarbonize our power and transportation sectors that we cannot do that successfully if we are not mindful of the costs it entails,” Will Cleveland of the Southern Environmental Law Center told Virginia Mercury recently. “And when we have a utility structure that does not allow the commission to make sure costs are as low as possible, then we have to push for it here at the General Assembly.”

As The Virginia Mercury reported, part of what happened to Dominion’s EV school bus bill was payback for the Senate’s defeat of five bills seeking to restore State Corporation Commission authority on the eve of a major Dominion rate case. The Senate bill patron, Louise Lucas, D-Portsmouth, had helped kill the House bills. The legislative sins those bills sought to address were on full display in her electric school bus bill.

Even so, last ditch efforts to save it were pushed by one key environmental advocate. Most of the 31 Democrats who did support it in the vote today had also voted for the five ratemaking bills, unconcerned by the conflict. The three Republicans who supported the failed bill (which could come back for reconsideration) had opposed the ratemaking reforms as well.

The New, Blue Majority is still moving Virginia at warp speed toward acceptance of all the climate change shibboleths. If a bill can be sold as good for the environment, many Democrats fall in line automatically, no matter how expensive it will be or what damage it does to the SCC’s traditional oversight authority. House Democrats voting for several ratemaking reforms believe (correctly) that the SCC might bend the curve in consumer’s favor.

On the other hand, Dominion has most Republicans (and some Democrats) trained to vote against any bill if the utility signals disapproval because it might damage utility profits and stockholder returns. The Republicans are reliable votes against most green energy bills, usually over cost, but far too few in number to stop any of them on their own.

Republicans and Democrats will campaign for re-election claiming they stood up for consumers, failing to mention how they did it selectively, got played against each other and neutralized.

Part of the problem is the corrupting influence of money, with flagrant rent seeking from all the industries that want to dictate multi-billion dollar energy investment.  But the real problem is the abiding ignorance of most legislators about these issues, including some who have been following the issues through the years.

The “debates” on the various ratemaking reform bills previously discussed on Bacon’s Rebellion, the interrelated bills to provide carrots and sticks moving Virginia toward electric vehicles, and even the pending effort to protect lower-income Virginians from exploding green energy costs, have had one central thread: Few if any the legislators had any idea what they were talking about or voting on.

Sometimes the ignorance seems intentional. The experts on the state payroll, staff at the SCC, usually sit quietly through the meetings, getting no questions and never being asked for opinions.

Technically, some of the five House ratemaking reform bills were referred to a study commission that has served as a utility cheerleading panel. The Commission on Electric Utility Regulation, or CEUR (pronounced “sewer” without a hint of irony), has not even met since 2017.  They were “passed by indefinitely with a letter” in legislative parlance. So dead, but worthy of a wake.

As the Senate Commerce and Labor Committee was busy killing those bills Monday, a couple of the junior members new to the panel pleaded for a chance to spend more time with the issues in a forum away from the session.

“This stuff is extraordinarily complex and interrelated,” said Senator Scott Surovell, D-Fairfax County. “There have been lots of policy changes through the years that we need to consider.” He said other members would like a chance to discuss things “when there is not a gun to our heads and all these other bills going on in short hearings.”

But the two long-serving Dominion allies on the committee, Senate Majority Leader Richard Saslaw, D-Fairfax County, and Senate Minority Leader Thomas Norment, R-James City County, were unenthusiastic about the idea. “I don’t see where that would do any good at all,” Saslaw said  “I chaired that commission for 15 years and I still don’t know much about it,” Norment added.

Saslaw had to ask staff who is even on CEUR currently. He still is, but Norment is not. No Senate Republican is. The two House Republican members are both from Southwest Virginia and would never cross Dominion and threaten the future of its Virginia City coal plant or a promised pumped storage project in them thar hills. None of their constituents are Dominion customers anyway.

Another session is nearly over, usually win-win for the utilities, especially Dominion, and lose-lose for the average consumer. The legislators’ ignorance and their propensity to vote with reflexes rather than reflection have again been on display.


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43 responses to “Enviros Help Kill Dominion EV School Bus Bill”

  1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    New Hampshire — Live Free or Die!
    Texas — Live, Freeze and Die!

    Oh well, next!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I like it. Expect a meme….I hear my kid and family are home, but under a boil water order….

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        The coldest I’ve been was in Dallas in 95 and 96. I wish them well, but boiling Texas water won’t make it taste any better. We bought these 3-gallon jugs with a built-in tap for making coffee because the tap water taste like s%!t.

        Apparently, in Lubbock if you draw a glass of water and let sit, the bottom of the glass covers in silt.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          Sounds like Manassas water in the 80s. Tasted like dirt. Seriously, tasted like it had a nice dose of red clay in every glass.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            The folks were big coffee drinkers and bought a Bunn maker. It maintained hot water 24-7 so as you poured in cold water, it immediately started brewing.

            After 10 years in San Antonio, it stopped working, so while on a visit, I took it apart to see if I could fix it. Opened the tank and it looked just like a cavern. It was nothing less than beautiful. Mineral formations attached to the sides of the tank were miniature versions of those in Luray Caverns.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        So a good question to ask, maybe 2. First, WHY are pipes in the ceilings of homes in Texas ?

        And second, if you live in a home with water pipes in the ceiling and you know you don’t have heat and there is risk of frozen pipes, is there a master water cutoff and you go turn it off before it does so much damage AND essentially becomes a cause of water shortages?

  2. If they look closely they may find all Ev’s are not great for the environment. Yet.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      No! Lithium mining is wonderful for the environment, totally harmless compared to an oil well, and the material can be found everywhere! All union workforce making $75 an hour. Used batteries can be used to feed the unicorns!

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        It must’ve gotten upstaged in the news. Afraid your unicorn may have to survive on your oil spills awhile.

        https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/batteries-storage/lithiumion-battery-recycling-finally-takes-off-in-north-america-and-europe

  3. If they look closely they may find all Ev’s are not great for the environment. Yet.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      No! Lithium mining is wonderful for the environment, totally harmless compared to an oil well, and the material can be found everywhere! All union workforce making $75 an hour. Used batteries can be used to feed the unicorns!

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        It must’ve gotten upstaged in the news. Afraid your unicorn may have to survive on your oil spills awhile.

        https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/batteries-storage/lithiumion-battery-recycling-finally-takes-off-in-north-america-and-europe

  4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    New Hampshire — Live Free or Die!
    Texas — Live, Freeze and Die!

    Oh well, next!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I like it. Expect a meme….I hear my kid and family are home, but under a boil water order….

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        The coldest I’ve been was in Dallas in 95 and 96. I wish them well, but boiling Texas water won’t make it taste any better. We bought these 3-gallon jugs with a built-in tap for making coffee because the tap water taste like s%!t.

        Apparently, in Lubbock if you draw a glass of water and let sit, the bottom of the glass covers in silt.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          Sounds like Manassas water in the 80s. Tasted like dirt. Seriously, tasted like it had a nice dose of red clay in every glass.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            The folks were big coffee drinkers and bought a Bunn maker. It maintained hot water 24-7 so as you poured in cold water, it immediately started brewing.

            After 10 years in San Antonio, it stopped working, so while on a visit, I took it apart to see if I could fix it. Opened the tank and it looked just like a cavern. It was nothing less than beautiful. Mineral formations attached to the sides of the tank were miniature versions of those in Luray Caverns.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        So a good question to ask, maybe 2. First, WHY are pipes in the ceilings of homes in Texas ?

        And second, if you live in a home with water pipes in the ceiling and you know you don’t have heat and there is risk of frozen pipes, is there a master water cutoff and you go turn it off before it does so much damage AND essentially becomes a cause of water shortages?

  5. That is interesting development. I would like to see a study of safest and cleanest ways to improve school buses. Diesel has been knocked by me and others, but I really have no data to say emissions are significant – I know enormous recent improvements have been made in diesel fuel/engines, and the issue we are blasting it without taking account for all the improvements made by EPA regulations. There are other up-and-coming options: H2 FCV really coming fast, so some of the rush probably has to do with trying to lock in on EV’s by the EV advocates and utilities. I imagine diesel is a relatively safe fuel re: fires etc. I just have to guess our national safety record for school children in diesel buses is probably extremely safe, but the bad-mouthing makes it sound terrible.

  6. That is interesting development. I would like to see a study of safest and cleanest ways to improve school buses. Diesel has been knocked by me and others, but I really have no data to say emissions are significant – I know enormous recent improvements have been made in diesel fuel/engines, and the issue we are blasting it without taking account for all the improvements made by EPA regulations. There are other up-and-coming options: H2 FCV really coming fast, so some of the rush probably has to do with trying to lock in on EV’s by the EV advocates and utilities. I imagine diesel is a relatively safe fuel re: fires etc. I just have to guess our national safety record for school children in diesel buses is probably extremely safe, but the bad-mouthing makes it sound terrible.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    It sounds as if there might be a crack in the Dominion wall in the Senate. Folks like you, Steve, and the advocates for the House bills might have lunch with Scott Surovell (in the spring, of course, when you can sit outside and properly distanced) and help him start to understand some of the issues in those bills.

    He has impressed me since he was in the House. He seems receptive to competing ideas and it strikes me that he is an up and coming power among Senate Democrats.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      He’s a known BR reader and perhaps has seen a few things here….Marsden was also pushing for a CEUR meeting but Marsden is a pretty reliable Dominion vote. Worse, he will give you the impression he heard and accepted your argument, then the vote comes and bam….

    2. djrippert Avatar

      I disagree with many of the policy positions Scott Surovell endorses (except legalizing marijuana and ending the death penalty). However, he represents that area where I grew up and he’s an excellent and effective advocate for actions that would help his constituency. Ditto for Del Paul Krizek.

      Given that, I worked with Sen Surovell and Del Krizek to get free computers and bandwidth to needy children at one school in Fairfax County. I personally believe that this public action was one factor that raised the awareness of the need to supply all students in Fairfax County with school-issued computers and access to the internet. That awareness turned into action as Fairfax County started issuing computers relatively soon after the Bucknell Elementary effort Paul, Scott and I executed. In retrospect, over the past year, it was a pretty important thing that all public school students in Fairfax County had computers and internet connections.

      http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2015/oct/30/mount-vernon-bucknell-receives-new-laptops/

      The writers and contributors have recently discussed the future of Bacon’s Rebellion. There are now advertisements on the blog. I have read, understand and endorse Jim Bacon’s rationale for doing what he is doing. However, another possible avenue for action on this blog might be the establishment of fund-raising and charitable efforts to address areas of need for Virginians. These wouldn’t have to be ongoing Clinton Foundation type monstrosities. Just a little effort, giving and action where necessary. For example, temporarily bailing out a food bank that is going under.

      Just a thought.

    3. Given the mis-information and dis-information out there, any forum that can both inform and be a vehicle for assistance to those who are doing something constructive at the ground level about a problem, sounds good to me — and it doesn’t have to be cash. Take rural broadband access for instance. We know it’s needed, as underscored by the past year; we know it’s difficult in Virginia for localities to do anything about it due to obstacles placed there by cable company interests; we know the available workarounds. At the same time there are local jurisdictions in Virginia struggling to deal with this — but who is investigating and promoting reasonable solutions to the brave volunteers (like the Broadband Task Force in Mathews County) trying to tackle the problem?

  8. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    It sounds as if there might be a crack in the Dominion wall in the Senate. Folks like you, Steve, and the advocates for the House bills might have lunch with Scott Surovell (in the spring, of course, when you can sit outside and properly distanced) and help him start to understand some of the issues in those bills.

    He has impressed me since he was in the House. He seems receptive to competing ideas and it strikes me that he is an up and coming power among Senate Democrats.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      I disagree with many of the policy positions Scott Surovell endorses (except legalizing marijuana and ending the death penalty). However, he represents that area where I grew up and he’s an excellent and effective advocate for actions that would help his constituency. Ditto for Del Paul Krizek.

      Given that, I worked with Sen Surovell and Del Krizek to get free computers and bandwidth to needy children at one school in Fairfax County. I personally believe that this public action was one factor that raised the awareness of the need to supply all students in Fairfax County with school-issued computers and access to the internet. That awareness turned into action as Fairfax County started issuing computers relatively soon after the Bucknell Elementary effort Paul, Scott and I executed. In retrospect, over the past year, it was a pretty important thing that all public school students in Fairfax County had computers and internet connections.

      http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2015/oct/30/mount-vernon-bucknell-receives-new-laptops/

      The writers and contributors have recently discussed the future of Bacon’s Rebellion. There are now advertisements on the blog. I have read, understand and endorse Jim Bacon’s rationale for doing what he is doing. However, another possible avenue for action on this blog might be the establishment of fund-raising and charitable efforts to address areas of need for Virginians. These wouldn’t have to be ongoing Clinton Foundation type monstrosities. Just a little effort, giving and action where necessary. For example, temporarily bailing out a food bank that is going under.

      Just a thought.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      He’s a known BR reader and perhaps has seen a few things here….Marsden was also pushing for a CEUR meeting but Marsden is a pretty reliable Dominion vote. Worse, he will give you the impression he heard and accepted your argument, then the vote comes and bam….

    3. Given the mis-information and dis-information out there, any forum that can both inform and be a vehicle for assistance to those who are doing something constructive at the ground level about a problem, sounds good to me — and it doesn’t have to be cash. Take rural broadband access for instance. We know it’s needed, as underscored by the past year; we know it’s difficult in Virginia for localities to do anything about it due to obstacles placed there by cable company interests; we know the available workarounds. At the same time there are local jurisdictions in Virginia struggling to deal with this — but who is investigating and promoting reasonable solutions to the brave volunteers (like the Broadband Task Force in Mathews County) trying to tackle the problem?

  9. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    On another note and this has to do with the fascinating legislative process. Steve mentioned the idea of the vote against Lucas’s bill being somewhat a payback for the Senate killing the House bills. Folks who have been around the legislature awhile know that the time when each house considers bills from the other house is a crazy time. There is payback. There is also some “hostage taking,” which involves holding up action on a bill from the opposite house until that house passes a bill from the house holding the hostage. To truly understand what is going on, one has to understand the personalities involved and the personal interactions that are underway.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Isn’t that called “politics”?

      Scary if things ever stopped working that way. Rough game, rough rules but rules nonetheless.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      It is easier to follow all that theater in person, not so easy with this Zoom nonsense. When they are in the Capitol you can usually see all this playing out in the halls, in huddles around the Washington statue, people running from one chamber to the other. A talent for eavesdropping is valuable. Likewise reading upside down and backwards, which I learned to do in the days of hot type. (Yes, I’m that old.)

      Dammit, no question it can be great fun and a great show, even more fun if you recognize the patterns.

      On this one, as I noted, the bill was killed, then revived by a motion to reconsider and taken by. In the chamber, from the gallery, it would be possible to see the supporters working the opponents to switch votes, and then go make your own effort to shore them up. I guess that is all texting and phone calls now…We’ll see if they switched any at noon.

      1. “Likewise reading upside down and backwards, which I learned to do in the days of hot type. (Yes, Iā€™m that old.)”

        I guess today’s equivalent is being able to read reflections of computer screens in people’s eyeglasses?

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Oh yes, the dreaded reconsideration. You think you have gotten a bill killed and then it gets resurrected–either through reconsideration or being tacked onto another bill (a “vehicle”). As I said, a crazy time. And, yes, it would be much easier to follow (and fun) with in-person sessions.

  10. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    On another note and this has to do with the fascinating legislative process. Steve mentioned the idea of the vote against Lucas’s bill being somewhat a payback for the Senate killing the House bills. Folks who have been around the legislature awhile know that the time when each house considers bills from the other house is a crazy time. There is payback. There is also some “hostage taking,” which involves holding up action on a bill from the opposite house until that house passes a bill from the house holding the hostage. To truly understand what is going on, one has to understand the personalities involved and the personal interactions that are underway.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Isn’t that called “politics”?

      Scary if things ever stopped working that way. Rough game, rough rules but rules nonetheless.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      It is easier to follow all that theater in person, not so easy with this Zoom nonsense. When they are in the Capitol you can usually see all this playing out in the halls, in huddles around the Washington statue, people running from one chamber to the other. A talent for eavesdropping is valuable. Likewise reading upside down and backwards, which I learned to do in the days of hot type. (Yes, I’m that old.)

      Dammit, no question it can be great fun and a great show, even more fun if you recognize the patterns.

      On this one, as I noted, the bill was killed, then revived by a motion to reconsider and taken by. In the chamber, from the gallery, it would be possible to see the supporters working the opponents to switch votes, and then go make your own effort to shore them up. I guess that is all texting and phone calls now…We’ll see if they switched any at noon.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Oh yes, the dreaded reconsideration. You think you have gotten a bill killed and then it gets resurrected–either through reconsideration or being tacked onto another bill (a “vehicle”). As I said, a crazy time. And, yes, it would be much easier to follow (and fun) with in-person sessions.

      2. “Likewise reading upside down and backwards, which I learned to do in the days of hot type. (Yes, I’m that old.)”

        I guess today’s equivalent is being able to read reflections of computer screens in people’s eyeglasses?

  11. “Likewise reading upside down and backwards, which I learned to do in the days of hot type. (Yes, I’m that old.)”

    I guess today’s equivalent is being able to read reflections of computer screens in people’s eyeglasses?

  12. LarrytheG Avatar

    And this is the part where some of us might say that this sounds more akin to “professional” political behavior rather than “part-time” citizens just showing up in Richmond to do the “peoples” work. šŸ˜‰

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    And this is the part where some of us might say that this sounds more akin to “professional” political behavior rather than “part-time” citizens just showing up in Richmond to do the “peoples” work. šŸ˜‰

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