Electric Vehicles in a Hurricane?

by Kerry Dougherty

While hurricane season technically began two months ago, it isn’t until August — or even September — that most of us pay attention to those pesky tropical depressions off the coast of Africa.

My favorite parlor game is the annual will-we-evacuate-if-a-hurricane-is-headed-our-way debate. My family’s answer, so far, has always been no.

There’s a reason many of us just smile weakly when emergency management types talk cheerfully about “orderly evacuations” of Tidewater.

We’ve seen tunnel traffic on summer weekends. We’ve spent hours stewing in it. We also know that the only thing worse than being stuck in a flimsy house for a Category 4 ‘cane would be to be spend it in a colossal traffic jam on the bridge by Willoughby Spit.

Now imagine being stuck on the spit in an electric vehicle that’s run out of juice.

That’s the trouble with storms. They don’t file a flight plan. While meteorologists pore over data and try to predict where these hurricanes will go, we have to make our own decisions.

By the time the weather gets scary enough to make you want to leave town, it’s too late.

Then again, we haven’t been seriously menaced by a Cat 5 hurricane. If a monster storm was headed this way, I suppose we’d have to pack up the car and dog and head west.

Envision, for a moment, that Biden’s ridiculous dream of universal electric cars came true. And there was a massive evacuation from the Outer Banks, Florida or even Tidewater.

Actually, you don’t have to imagine it, one of Twitter’s most popular commentators — with an unfortunate handle and more than 800.000 followers – just did:

He may be right. Electric cars could be a nightmare during a massive evacuation. Studies have been done showing a cascading failure of the power grid if huge numbers of Florida residents simultaneously charged their cars in preparation for a major storm.

EV owners would fare even worse if they stayed behind and were without power for days or weeks.

Anyone else remember Hurricane Isabel in 2003? That storm came ashore in Virginia as a strong Category 1 storm. Yet some of us were without electricity for almost three weeks.

In a 2021 article headlined, “Electric Vehicles Powerless During Hurricanes,” Forbes Magazine claimed that electric vehicles would compound the problems of natural disaster, such as Hurricane Ida that had just wiped out much of Louisiana’s electric power.

On September 5, almost a week after Hurricane Ida, 640,000 customers, or more than one quarter of Louisiana households, are still without power and unable to recharge any electric vehicles they might own.

Gasoline and diesel are winners when natural disasters interfere with the electricity grid…

Natural disasters and electricity outages are not uncommon events. The Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration keeps track of scores of electricity outages each year. Some are minor events affecting small numbers of customers for a few minutes. Others, such as Hurricane Ida, affect millions of customers for days on end.

Any sort of weather emergency would be worsened by an abundance of electric vehicles. Remember last winter’s horror on I-95, when thousands of motorists — including Sen. Tim Kaine — were stranded overnight in an ice and snow storm north of Richmond? Now imagine if most of them were in electric cars. The kind that turn off when they idle. Those folks would have been hypothermic by morning. Some EVs would have died on the interstate, compounding problems.

This push toward EVs is one of the most reckless campaigns ever launched by an administration. Most American families can’t afford electric cars. Almost no one wants to face the cost of replacing EV batteries. And there seems to be no thought given to what happens during weather events like hurricanes, tornadoes and ice storms that knock out the power grid.

Kudos to anyone who’s bought an electric car. I hope you enjoy it. As someone who almost always buys used vehicles, I expect I’ll be driving an old-fashioned combustion engine for the foreseeable future.

If you get stranded at home with your Tesla in the aftermath of a hurricane, give me a call. I won’t pick you up with my gas guzzler, but I’ll sympathize with your plight.

This column has been republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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55 responses to “Electric Vehicles in a Hurricane?”

  1. Even if you manage to escape Hampton Roads, just wait until you run low on juice and find yourself stuck behind dozens of other EVs at electric refueling stations — 20 minutes per car!

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Worse in the winter storms. Cold saps batteries and much of what will remains will be sucked up by the space heater, since the engine produces no heat. At least in the summer you can drive around without AC.

      I better not tell Kerry just how hard the climate fanatics are working to eliminate her option of even a used ICE vehicle in the next decade or so. They are likely to fail but not for lack of trying.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        And youse guys think being in Richmond is any better?

        1. I was thinking the same thing. Given how far inland flooding occurs whenever a hurricane or tropical storm hangs around in Virginia, anyone evacuating the Hampton Roads area during a storm might be jumping out of the surge and into the flood.

          There were historic high water levels on the James River following both Camille and Agnes.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Back in 2001, my friend had bypass surgery about two weeks before Isabel hit. He and his wife evacuated to C-ville and took a room at some Holiday Inn, 5th floor. She spent 3 days lugging food up and down stairs to him. When the power came on, they went home and spent 3 more days without power. It was waaaay better.

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            That is why folks should evacuate to the west instead of north.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Where you are, you should stay. You will be without power in Richmond, and perhaps a public shelter will keep you safer during the passing, but evacuating to the west is moving into an area with fewer resources.

  2. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Don’t worry Taylor Swift will fly in and rescue everyone what else is the number 1 carbon footprint celebrity for? Of course Fancy Nancy and her ice cream cooler is busy boosting the carbon footprint on her paid vacation.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      A couple of Chinese fighter jocks might intervene…also burning fossil fuels. Those F-18s in the Top Gun film, battery operated, right?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        drones are cheaper and, oh yeah, electric…

      2. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        actually Nancy’s son was along to sign semi conductor contract for Dad in all the countries they visited.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      A couple of Chinese fighter jocks might intervene…also burning fossil fuels. Those F-18s in the Top Gun film, battery operated, right?

  3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Extension cord to wind turbine farm out in the water. You can get one up to 75,000 feet in length.

  4. Brings to mind that scene in PATTON when he shots the mule holding up the convoy…….jus sayin…..

  5. Brings to mind that scene in PATTON when he shots the mule holding up the convoy…….jus sayin…..

  6. Just hook a ‘self propelled’ diesel generator to your trailer hitch and you’re good to go:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48138e38d941119467c23763478a7e1af3bd1d2cf0f39d0ed21946b7d6b9b364.jpg

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Reminds me of seeing vehicles window aircon units and generators on the back.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      When I was just a young ‘un, a Ferrari set the “Sea-to-Shining-Sea” rally speed record from Manhattan to Santa Barbara, having crossed Nevada at speeds topping 150. Coming in 2nd was a Winnebago that merely held a constant 70 nonstop. They refueled through a window on the roll.

      1. 1971. Dan Gurney and Brock Yates were driving the car, a Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          About right. 1971. The difference in times was on the order of minutes between the tortoise and the hare.

          One of my favorite road signs used to be in Wilmington, NC. It was at the point where I-40 began. It read
          “Fayettevile 150
          Santa Barbara 2435”

          I was sad to see it gone.

          1. Here is a ten year old article celebrating the 40th anniversary of the 1971 ‘Cannonball Run”.

            https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-features-history/happy-40th-cannonball-run/24687

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Memory fails. I had remembered the camper as having done better. Still, beats a bus, and most trains. Hell, based on recent news, beats some airlines too.

          3. Hey, a Chevrolet Van did finish 2nd.

            Some of the stuff Brock Yates wrote for Car and Driver about his experiences with Dan Gurney in the Ferrari were very funny.
            His description of their conversation with the highway patrolman who pulled them over for going 125 in a 70 zone is positively hilarious.

            By the way, I got to meet and talk motorcycles with Dan Gurney a couple of times before he passed away. He was a fine fellow. I ran into him at a Formula 1 pre-race party in Montreal one time. I asked him a question about his “gator’ motorcycle design., He could have brushed me off and gone to join the F1 ‘royalty’ at the other end of the room, but he answered my question, and a couple follow-ups. When he learned I was a motorcycle road racer he started talking about racing. Forty-five minutes later a ‘handler’ had to come over and drag him away so he could speak at a press conference. He seemed genuinely disappointed that he had to leave.

            When I ran into again at another F1 race a couple of years later, he remembered who I was, and we spent another 30-45 minutes “talking shop”. He was an incredibly gracious man and will always be my favorite race driver.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            To meet some you admire and discover that they find you interesting is twice lucky. To do it again? Well, now we’re in exponential territory.

  7. My family lived in Virginia Beach from 1965 until 1995 and never once considered evacuating in the face of a storm. We just prepped the house and property and then hunkered down for the duration.

  8. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    HOT FLASH! If there were a severe hurricane and massive power shortages, electricity-powered gasoline pumps won’t work either. So, what’s the point of this post other than to trash renewables?

    1. As a general rule, I keep 20-30 gallons of gasoline on hand in 5-gallon containers, as well as 10-20 gallons of diesel fuel, for refueling generators, lawn mowers and off-road motorcycles.

      If I needed to do an emergency evacuation, and traffic backups were likely, I could carry that extra fuel with me. However, those little red (or yellow) 5-gallon storage containers are useless for storing spare electricity.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You do know that stuff goes bad in those containers, right? The car won’t run on varnish.

        1. It is not simply stored. We use it to refuel off-road vehicles and power implements. It is constantly being rotated in and out. The oldest I have on hand is probably 120 days, which is not ideal, but still quite serviceable as fuel.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I retired my dink’s 2-cycle last year with 5 gallons of 100:1 premix in the tank. I’m down to one gallon finally. Been mixing into the mower’s gas. Love it when the wife comes in and says, “Something’s wrong with the mower. It really smokes.”

            “Uh huh, I’ll look at it.”

            If it weren’t for her catalytic converter,…

        2. Cassie Gentry Avatar
          Cassie Gentry

          Gasoline doesn’t go bad at all if it’s in sealed containers. It only goes bad in containers exposed to the atmosphere. Diesel is pretty sturdy on the other hand because it doesn’t have the volatiles gasoline does that all evaporate and result in “varnish”. Do your research and get your facts right.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yeah, that sounds good. You stick with that.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Do you have to use sta-bil or do you use ethanol free?

        I used to buy the canned e free gas from HD for the lawnmowers and such, as E gas it bad for their carbs. I found it was cheaper to hit Royal Farms which has e free gas at the pump (for a higher price, but still more economical than the cans).

        As for the comment about needing gas pumps, I always top off before trips. As a result of advice of my father and living in NWPA, where the snow she does fly.

        1. I use a combination of e10 with stabil in it and e-free. I prefer e-free but it is not always available in my area. After the January storm this year, my local e-free provider was out of the product for about a month.

          It generally gets used up pretty quickly.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You’re close to Harrisonburg? The Royal on Rte. 33 used to sell gasoline, real gasoline. 98 octane if I recall. Used it once going home and gas mileage went through the roof.

          2. No, but there are stations that sell e-free gas in Fluvanna, Goochland, and Powhatan counties. There are most likely plenty more, but those are the ones closest to me.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            https://www.buyrealgas.com/Virginia.html

            East of I-95, they’re nearly all on the water, (logical) but none on the southern Bay western shore? Kind of curious the pattern.

          4. You can always go to an airport and buy Avgas.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            It’s getting the jerrycans through security…

          6. I was thinking more along the lines of a small municipal airport. I agree that it would be a major pain in the ass to try to buy avgas for your car at Dulles.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well, for one thing, it would be tough to find 200 3-oz jerrycans.

            Actually, there are two pins on the map at that link in Southside, close to general aviation airports.

            Of course, the real problem with marinas and airports is tax. The fuels are color coded for use in boats and airplanes because it’s untaxed.

            Oh God! I hope Haner doesn’t see that! 😉

          8. Yeah, I ‘ve only ever used aviation fuel in motorcycles set up for road racing.

            Some Sunoco stations used to sell a pump gas that was rated at 101 Octane. It served well in my race bikes and was a LOT cheaper than buying the equivalent fuel at the race tracks.

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            There’s always nitro.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      When Isabel rolled through, I would use my pickup to charge my DieHard trolling motor battery, and hooked the portable 12V TV to the cable. Had a wonderful time.

      Now, back in 1975, on a normal 4th of July weekend, spent 3 hours waiting to cross the HRBT. About an hour in while crossing the Willoughby bridge came on a truck towing a boat pulled on the shoulder. Everyone was up on the boat, BBQing, having a beer, and fishing over the railing of the bridge.

      Some are just better prepared than others…

    3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Agreed in a time of dire emergency you never know whether gaso or elec is best. Better to have both on hand or a plug-in hybrid.

      But a hybrid like a Prius is very good, because you can use the car as an emergency generator…you could charge up your Tesla with it.

      So I say lets encourage hybrids too….the Bill as proposed is essentially a US Auto maker rescue bill. US Autos do not want to compete with Japanese makers on hybrids, so US Autos want EV’s and they want to Gov’t to support them.

    4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The point was just to see if she could get your head to explode, Peter. We had a bet. Kerry won.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Hey Keren, the last time you wrote about the inconvenience of hurricanes you suggested lighting candles** and enjoying it.

    **VBFD gonna love you.

  10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Now imagine if most of them were in electric cars. The kind that turn off when they idle. Those folks would have been hypothermic by morning. Some EVs would have died on the interstate, compounding problems.”

    I know we have to consider the source but this is not how electric cars work. First, they don’t “idle” and they are more efficient in traffic jams than IC engines – because they can actually turn off and on as demanded. Maybe Kerry is thinking of hybrid cars which again are way more efficient than IC cars when stuck in traffic.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      who knows what Kerry is “thinking” sometimes.

      Hybrids like the Rav4 prime run on both electric and gas. You use it around town on EV and if you go on a trip, you use gas.

      Bring up these issues associated with climate change and electricity and the deniers and skeptics can’t seem to keep themselves even marginally rational!

  11. …months bringing gas powered generators to clear major highways…

    Entrepreneurs are already providing vehicles, equipment and services for that very purpose (recharging EVs on the roadside):

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc727f6e1caeb6907570b71e93001ca575a2abfb2da1e2a557ad2d1185940eca.jpg

    https://www.sparkcharge.io/roadside

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      This is a real thing in Europe where the mountains have no electrical service for miles. The van is full of batteries and can fully charge multiple cars.

      1. I think Sparkcharge is based in Massachusetts.

  12. Until Tesla integrates an APU, about a 15KW unit that’s no larger than a quart of milk, and an auxiliary fuel tank, they will remain little more than cute gestures towards an all electric future that are as useful as drag queen festivals in elementary schools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al8elCF816g&t=13s

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