Richmond City Hall

by Jon Baliles 

Last month, City Council applied a few new stringent guardrails to public comment at Council meetings by altering their Rules of Procedure under the guise of “streamlining” meetings.

Now, I am all for free speech, but I also understand that people showing up to Council meetings to push for a ceasefire, fight world hunger, or colonize Mars (i.e., things Council can’t do anything about) takes up valuable time on issues that Council should be addressing (or trying to address). City Council is granted specific powers, and resolving world issues is (thankfully) not one of them. The business of local government is local and decidedly unsexy: trash pickup, potholes, schools, housing, public safety, transit, development, etc.

Council used to limit each public comment session at each meeting to eight speakers who sign up beforehand with the City Clerk with a brief description of their topic and are each given three minutes to speak. The new rules do not apply to people speaking to issues on the Consent Agenda or Regular Agenda or budget meetings; but lately, almost all of these eight Public Comment slots have been taken by people calling for or against issuing an official resolution for a ceasefire in Gaza, even though Council has not discussed any such resolution.

If you look at older Citizen Comment sign-up sheets that were filed before October 7, 2023, they are people who talk about drainage issues, the tree canopy, tax assessment issues, utility bills, and so on. Sure, it’s not sexy, but it’s relevant to the job of City Council, which is to oversee the operation of city government. You can make the case that eight speaking slots at each meeting are too few; for example, maybe you could have a few more at three minutes each or increase the slots to 12-15 but shorten the speaking time to two minutes. That is certainly debatable.

While the new rules changes include almost a dozen meeting-related tweaks, there are a few that stand out on the egregious scale. One new rule that borders on anti-democratic is the 90-day exile imposed on people who sign up to speak at public comment but fail to appear or don’t notify the Clerk by noon of the day they are signed up.

If a person requests to appear before Council & fails to appear or fails to notify the Clerk of an intention to cancel by 12 noon on the date of the meeting…such person shall not participate in Public Comment again until…90 days from the day…that person failed to appear.

The “intent” of that rule, according to the City Attorney, was to free up slots if a speaker doesn’t show up to speak. However, if someone hasn’t signed up beforehand, they are not allowed to speak at all; and if someone that has signed up to speak but doesn’t show up, then that spot goes unused — but it can’t be filled by someone else who didn’t notify the clerk to speak by the deadline, according to their circular reasoning.

In addition to the no-show rule, there apparently are no exceptions for things like sick kids, working overtime, natural disasters, or life getting in the way. If you don’t let them know by high noon the day of the meeting that you can’t make it, then don’t bother coming back for three months.

Athens this is not.

Perhaps even more troubling about the new rules is the one stating that speakers have to submit in advance a “detailed and complete description” that “provides the clerk with an understanding of which city agency the comments pertain to or affects.” That is scary on several levels, especially the “detailed and complete description” part.

Why on Earth do public speakers have to send their complete prepared remarks in advance? Why not just send an email or a letter and avoid the hassle of getting a parking ticket outside City Hall? Anyone who takes the time to come down to City Hall, find a place to park, sit through the minutiae, and get up to speak should be able to speak without a pre-clearance procedure. Many times, people know the topic they are coming down to talk about (a water bill, a neighborhood issue, etc.), but they don’t’ know exactly WHAT they are going to say until they get there. But they would be in violation of the new rule and thus, in violation of the “rules.”

What will happen (and it will happen) when someone submits a description and then goes off topic when they get to the podium? Will the microphone be cut off? Will they be escorted from Council Chambers? Likewise, will City Councilors be required to submit their statements on issues in writing before the meeting and before voting on them?

The rationale for the change is ostensibly so Council knows what the issue is, so they can better direct the speaker to the right person or department for help resolving the issue. But the city has actually always been pretty good at this — if you come to Council meetings to voice your concern or problem, you are almost always told or pointed to a city official or employee in chambers in order to connect and get your issue and information to resolve the problem.

The larger point is that it should never take coming to a City Council meeting — pre-submitted remarks or not — to get your issue addressed. If you have come to Council to vent and express exasperation, that means your issue has been ongoing for too long, has not been resolved, and you have had enough and want to make sure that someone will listen.

I agree that public comment slots should be reserved, if not exclusively, then generally, for people who want to talk about local issues or air it out about what government is or is not doing (and if there are only, say, five speakers on local issues, then others can speak to other issues). If someone with a $2,000 water bill can’t get answers through 311 and comes to Council to get help, they should not be turned away at the mic because someone wants to make a statement about an issue half way around the world that is not the purview of City Council’s responsibility.

City Council could choose to join in on adding its voice to issues all over the globe that need attention, but they have not; there are serious issues all over the city affecting people’s lives and families that more importantly need addressing and the specific charge of City Council is to try and fix or solve those problems. Council is right to say that they will not vote on global statement resolutions “as it is not protocol to weigh in on matters that don’t involve the city.” However, they need not restrict speech to limit the people that live here and make this city a great place from having a voice in how it is run. There is a balance here that they have yet to reach.

It is too bad (but small wonder) that public participation dropped off the map during Covid and has not returned to its formerly-robust status (except for the “NO Casino” contingent, thankfully). These new rules won’t help to encourage more participation, or make people feel that their voice matters, or that they are being heard.

And even more discouragingly, who wants to be part of the public process in planning and running our city if you are hemmed in by laws and rules that stymie your opportunity to be heard, coupled with a Mayor and Administration who never met a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request they wouldn’t deny?

The old saying is that sunshine is the best disinfectant, but between these new rules and the Mayor’s FOIA mess, it seems more like City Hall is more in favor these days of an intentional eclipse of the public’s voice rather than letting the sun shine bright.

Jon Baliles is a former Richmond city councilman. Republished with permission from RVA 5×5.


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58 responses to “Eclipsing Speech in RVA”

  1. Bob X from Texas Avatar
    Bob X from Texas

    Most of the people I see advocating for a cease fire in Gaza would be tortured and executed by Hamas!
    A ceasefire existed until Hamas unleashed their minions to rape and kill peaceful kids at a music concert.
    “F” around and “Find Out”.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “Most of the people I see advocating for a cease fire in Gaza would be tortured and executed by Hamas!”

      Most of those same people would also have spoken out if tens of thousands of Southern conservatives were being slaughtered in the US during the.. say mid-20th century… even though the KKK was very active and had a great deal of regional support… doesn’t mean they would have been wrong…. in fact, was pretty much what the Vietnam War protests were, tbh…

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Actually an interesting topic!

    Where in law , Constitution, etc does it say that any governing body
    must “hear” you to begin with?

    Where does it say there must be “official” hearings that are to be held and receive comment?

    1. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      Code of Va 2.2-3707 requires meetings of governmental bodies be open to the public and subject to recording. Both the U.S. and Virginia Constitutions acknowledge the right to petition government for redress of grievances.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        right. Does it REQUIRE hearings?

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          yes, various state and federal laws require open meetings ie hearings. I think you are asking if there is a right to speak at a hearing. I would argue that is inherent in both the freedom of speech and right to petition for redress.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            A legal , written in law or Constitutional right?

            Say, for instance , a “hearing” for a rezone.

            Where is the law that says it is required?

          2. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, the code of Va is searchable online

          3. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            I would argue there is a Constitutional Right

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            right. show me where.

          5. WayneS Avatar

            State requirements for public bodies to accept comments from the public:

            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title15.2/chapter14/article2/#:~:text=The%20governing%20body%20shall%20provide,regular%20meeting%20at%20least%20quarterly.

            15.2-1415.D

            Many localities also include requirements for more frequent comment periods in their local Code of Ordinances.

            Public comments and public hearings are two different things. Public hearing requirements for various actions are generally contained within the code sections related to those actions (budgets, funding for sports arenas, etc.). Public hearings for rezonings are covered in Section 15.2-2285 and Section 15.2-2204.

            As with public comment requirements, many localities include stricter public hearing requirements in their own local ordinances.

          6. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, we have been over that. I would argue the 1st Amendment protects the right to speak and the right to petition government for redress.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You can argue that but it don’t make it so. The 1st Amendment allows you “free speech” but it does not allow you to exercise it anywhere at any time.

          8. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, you keep trying to argue points that are not in contention. I really do not understand why.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            title of the blog post?

          10. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Once again I do not understand what you are asking.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            sorry. go be with Wayne and console each other maybe?

          12. WayneS Avatar

            State requirements for public bodies to accept comments from the public:

            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title15.2/chapter14/article2/#:~:text=The%20governing%20body%20shall%20provide,regular%20meeting%20at%20least%20quarterly.

            15.2-1415.D

            Many localities also include requirements for more frequent comment periods in their local Code of Ordinances.

            Public comments and public hearings are two different things. Public hearing requirements for various actions are generally contained within the code sections related to those actions (budgets, funding for sports arenas, etc.). Public hearings for rezonings are covered in Section 15.2-2285 and Section 15.2-2204.

            As with public comment requirements, many localities include stricter public hearing requirements in their own local ordinances.

            As far as being a general constitutional requirement, see Article I, Section 12, of the Constitution of Virginia.

          13. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            thanks , “D. The governing body shall provide members of the general public with the opportunity for public comment during a regular meeting at least quarterly.”

            “The commission shall hold at least one public hearing on a proposed ordinance or any amendment of an ordinance, after notice as required by § 15.2-2204, and may make appropriate changes in the proposed ordinance or amendment as a result of the hearing. ”

            for a particular rezoning of a property?

            how is “hearing” defined?

          14. WayneS Avatar

            Yes, quarterly is what is required. As I said, some localities have ordinances which require them more often.

            Rezonings fall under “plans”.

          15. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            “quarterly”, not every meeting?
            what format on what topics?
            time limits? etc? rules?

            the passage you referenced was with regard to zoning ordinances, not specific rezones.

            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/15.2-2204/ seems to be for specific rezones and references “hearing” but does not define it in terms of how long or format, i.e. can documents, maps and other things be provided beyond just verbal “speech”?

          16. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            and I have searched it….

          17. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Ok, what did you find in answer to your question?

          18. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I’ve not found a definitive source that defines what a “hearing” is and what types of actions require it.

            I have found bits and pieces in the Va Code for various things but no uniform law that applies to hearings in general.

            For instance, a board decides to buy some land for a school. Does that require a hearing?

            Or, a board wants to use eminent domain to acquire land for a school. Does that require a hearing?

          19. WayneS Avatar

            The Constitution is “legal, written in law”: U.S. Constitution, Article VI.

          20. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            requires hearings by governing bodies?

          21. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Wayne, thanks for trying!

          22. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            just claiming something is “in the Constitution” – is not really trying………..

            the point is that “free speech” is not at all what some want to believe it is.

            The Constitution basically says it cannot be “infringed” on.

            But it does not guarantee at all that you can exercise it any place, at any time of your choosing.

            The law does not even require that the govt “hear” you necessarily or that they can’t limit you to time and topic and venue.

          23. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, I can’t help you Bud! Perhaps some sort of ADHD meds would prove therapeutic?

          24. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            gotta start with helping yourself first, Marty…

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Soapboxes are no longer a rare commodity. Apparently, Sketchers has a new slip on with the box on the bottom.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I sit on a small citizen’s committee and one member said we should not only take comments but we should also answer each one!

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Relevant to committee purpose only. Our governing bodies have to take charge of public meetings in order to get things done. If that means scheduling topics, well…

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “We demand free speech! And that you ban books about gays,”

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        IIRC, a Norfolk judge (Hitchings, traffic court) held a man in contempt for a LTE disparaging the judge for some level of less-than-intelligent ruling. Hitchings used to claim that anyone having BAC equal to THREE beers was sober.

        https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2023/03/01/mocking-the-police-got-an-ohio-man-arrested-and-the-supreme-court-wont-define-the-limits-of-parody/

        And yet, Trump prattles on…

    1. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      Where is this mythical place where books have been banned in the U.S.? Are you referring to School Boards removing books from public school libraries or limiting access? That is not a ban. You and any other adult can access anything you want online, at a bookstore (adult or otherwise) or at a public library. Parent’s are free to provide whatever they want to their children.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You say potato, I say vodka. Removing is banning, i.e., prohibit. In addition are bans on preferred nicknames.

        And it’s not just schools…
        https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/21/books/book-ban-rise-libraries.html

        “Your nose is beneath my tent flap, Camel.”

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          and there is an odor of hyperbole with a hint of mendacity emanating from said tent!

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yeah, right. That’s why your party is retiring from Congress in record numbers.

          2. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Nancy, please feel free to call me bald and fat if that is a salve to your psychic wounds. Here endeth the lesson.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Are you bald and fat? Then why would I call you such?.

          4. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Nancy, I am just trying to help you along the path toward mental health.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I use licensed professionals, thank you. Besides, I’m normal. My mother had me tested.

  5. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Free speech is free speech, but there’s a point where discussing topics not on the agenda or outside the scope of the public body’s legal authority becomes problematic. It can reach a point where it could interfere with the rights of others to exercise their rights of free speech and to petition government for redress of grievances on a topic properly before the government body at hand.

    And, if the left wants state and local governments to stay out of immigration matters, which can be supported by precedent, shouldn’t state and local government stay out of the conduct of foreign policy, which too can be supported by precedent? By any means necessary becomes a path to civil breakdown.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      so.. “free speech” is not whatever you want to say to a governing board, right?

      They can decide what they want to hear from you or not and for how long?

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        I often spoke to the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors on issues before them during public hearings on the topic of the hearing. Supervisors put time limits on speakers, which were generally adhered to, absent follow-up questions from supervisors. Most speaker were on topic. I think the Board would not take immediate action if people mentioned somethings off-topic but would stop off-topic comments that began to stray.

        It would not be inconsistent with First Amendment rights as reasonable time and place restrictions are valid. A hearing on a land use application or the county budget is not the place to discuss foreign policy.

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          exactly!

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            not exactly.

          2. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, I was agreeing with tmtfairfax. Do you disagree?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I think it is not defined as to what is required. TMT is talking about what he THINKs should be done, not what the law REQUIRES.

            I’m not arguing that hearings are not good or needed. I’m ask where they are defined in law as to being required or not and what defines “hearing”?

          4. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            I believe the definition of a hearing or public meeting can been found in VA Code 2.2-3707 which you can review online and which I mentioned in a previous post that you replied to. You are an educated man and I am confident you can search online as well as I can.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          sounds simple. Who decides what is or is not off topic?

          Do they stop the speaker and take a vote at each occurrence?

          Do they tell the speaker if he/she continue off-topic, they will be removed ?

          Will they be charged with a violation of law?

          1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            The governing body sets an agenda. Normally, people sign up in advance to speak on a particular agenda item. People on the list speak in order of sign-up. Often, at the end of the speakers, the board will ask if anyone else in the audience wishes to speak on the agenda item. But it’s not an open forum.

            I never seen the Fairfax BoS have an open forum. They have too much required business to address. But they could do so I suppose. And in an open forum, someone could complain about the IDF or Hamas. However, not during a required public hearing on a rezoning application.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Right. I know the various ways it is done , and not done but am asking what are the specific requirements in law that have to be met.

            For instance, where does it say that it is not an “open forum”… what is it instead – as required?

            where does it say what a “hearing” or “public comment” is and is not that a governing body must
            follow (or be legally challenged for not?)

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders declares state of emergency ahead of eclipse.

    Gives friends $100,000 of State emergency funds.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Interesting tidbit… Hamilton Island, a popular destination in the Whitsundays, has gone ‘cashless’ by adopting permanently their pandemic prohibition.

    Pat Boone is losing his secret war…

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