Don’t Delay Electric Vehicles in Virginia

Not to mention, they’re unspeakably cool.

by Alleyn Harned

In the 2022 General Assembly, Delegate Tony Wilt, R-Harrisonburg, has introduced legislation which will increase consumers’ transportation costs and maintain our dependence on foreign oil. Both consequences are unacceptable in Virginia’s beautiful Shenandoah Valley region, which produces no oil and stands to benefit greatly from access to renewable technologies.

On Friday, January 21st, Wilt sent constituents an email mentioning his 2022 legislation, in which he emphasized “clean and affordable energy” in an all-of-the-above energy approach. Then he submitted House Bill 1267, which would delay implementation from 2025 to 2030 of the Advanced Clean Cars Program for low-emission and zero-emission vehicles.

The delegate’s attempt to delay Virginia’s modest goals for access to electric vehicles will send consumers to neighboring states for the rest of the decade to purchase electric cars. This would benefit the economies of Maryland and North Carolina, limit residents’ choices, and put Virginia at a competitive disadvantage.

In the U.S., auto manufacturers send electric vehicles first to states that have adopted regulatory standards for the technology. In Virginia, after legislation was signed into law last year, that process is underway in consultation with government, consumers, dealers, and citizens. Wilt’s bill will add years to an already slow enactment calendar. Why delay Virginia’s progress?

The delay likely will increase costs to Virginia consumers for the vehicles and prolong consumers’ dependence upon higher-cost gasoline, currently hovering from $3.25 to $3.50. At today’s retail electricity rates, an EV’s fuel cost is only about $1-per-gallon equivalent. EVs won’t benefit only consumers, they will boost the economy. Virginia produces nearly no oil, but we do produce lots of low-cost, low-emission electricity.

Transportation is Virginia’s largest family energy cost, often four times the cost of heating, cooling and electricity, and borne disproportionately by rural or lower-income populations. Electrifying transportation would give consumers the equivalent of a pay raise by getting lower-cost transportation energy to communities that need it the most. The benefits for electric cars are also expected to be greater in rural areas which often require longer distance travel and have access to low-cost clean electric energy. Fueleconomy.gov is a great source where folks can see how much money they could save from an electric vehicle over a traditional vehicle — often $1,000 a year. There are many American-made plug-in hybrid EVs and full EVs that also have less maintenance and lower overall costs than gasoline vehicles.

Gasoline-powered transportation is also harmful for human health. The Lung Association’s Road to Clean Air report found that avoided-health-cost benefits in 2050 will be more than $1.3 billion in Virginia if we transition to EVs. Electric transportation contributes to 115 fewer premature deaths by 2050, 1,783 asthma attacks avoided in 2050, and economic enhancement, with 8,189 work loss days avoided by 2050.

Legislators should reject this bill and any effort to decrease Virginia’s modest clean car standards. Current law creates a powerful economic-development tool, reduces energy dependence on imported oil, and improves our position in the world.

Alleyn Harned is Director of Virginia Clean Cities, a Harrisonburg resident. Virginia Clean Cities is a statewide nonprofit organization working to reduce Virginia’s dependence on oil through transportation solutions. 


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53 responses to “Don’t Delay Electric Vehicles in Virginia”

  1. I’ve been looking at the Ford F-150 Lightning and the Chevrolet Silverado EV.

    Based on stated specifications, both are impressive vehicles – and I was surprised at how inexpensive they are compared to all-electric cars. I expected a base model with no options to be over $50K, but both companies are advertising starting base-price of $39K.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Under the coming California mandate, only 100% electric or hydrogen, no hybrids….one of my complaints about it. Hey, these vehicles are great, and anybody who wants one should have one.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Is there a tax incentive for these vehicles as well?

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Federal yes. State one is on the books but not fleshed out and not funded. May not be now..

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Looks like up to around $7500 tax credit may be available to consider. Ain’t nothin’…

        2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
          energyNOW_Fan

          Federal $7500 which is often pre-subtracted for you from the advertised price. So don’t get your hopes up. NoVA buyers of eF150 would probably have a hefty annual car tax. The Build Back Better bill calls for as much as $12500 Federal rebate.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        Oops. did not realize that.. gotta be 100% EV?
        well that.s not good.

        1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
          energyNOW_Fan

          Yes USA policy is 100% EV centric, probably since we cannot compete with Toyota on hybrids and plug-in hybrids. Toyota has largely stayed away from 100% EV’s as not making practical sense, but USA mandates mean Toyota has to start to ramping EVs up anyways. US liberals are furious with Toyota for their luke warm stance on full EV’s.

        2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
          energyNOW_Fan

          Yes USA policy is 100% EV centric, probably since we cannot compete with Toyota on hybrids and plug-in hybrids. Toyota has largely stayed away from 100% EV’s as not making practical sense, but USA mandates mean Toyota has to start to ramping EVs up anyways. US liberals are furious with Toyota for their luke warm stance on full EV’s.

        3. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          That’s a big problem with The Movement. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

      3. I’m just “kicking tires” right now. I think I’m going to hold out on an all-electric 4-wheeled vehicle until the standard effective range is up around 500 miles.

        As far as hybrids go, I think they are actually the best current option for motor vehicles, and that they should be readily available for the foreseeable future.

        Until there are additional advances in battery technology I would not trust an all-electric for any trip where I needed to go more than 50-75 miles from home.

        I would buy an electric motorcycle for commuting right now if they weren’t so darned expensive.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Virginia — 400 years of tradition unhampered by progress.

    https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Virginia-Senate-panel-kills-stricter-seat-belt-law-504565292.html

    Delay, delay, delay…

    1. So is your EV powered by the wind or the sun?

  3. The Lung Association’s Road to Clean Air report found that avoided health cost benefits in 2050 will be more than $1.3 billion in Virginia if we transition to EVs.

    Correction: The Lung Association’s Road to Clean Air report predicts that avoided health cost benefits in 2050 will be more than $1.3 billion in Virginia if we transition to EVs.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Guesses, posits, assumes, all would work. And why would we want to avoid benefits? Badly worded all around….

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Am Lung Assoc has zero credibility with me. I was at Virginia DER public meetings on the defunct EPA Clean Power Prog, Am Lung Assoc was testifying that CO2 was poisonous killing thousands of Virginians. CO2 emissions are completely non toxic, that is not the issue. Yes coal burning emits particulates, and liberals estimate super extreme toxicity from particulates, but that is coal’s problem, not a CO2 problem. And if there were no particulates, we’d have no rain. No life on Earth.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        I recall scrubbers being introduced in the 80’s to help with coal particulates. My childhood was filled with Penzoil were my grandfather worked and Joy Mining Machinery, where my father worked until he went back to teaching.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    One of the things to be aware of now is that they are making plug-ins that are hybrids… they can run on gasoline also. So the ‘range’ issue goes away. And people will be well aware than a “fillup” with electricity is 1/3 or less what a gasoline fillup costs. That could change the game.

    https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/explaining-electric-plug-hybrid-electric-vehicles#:~:text=Plug%2Din%20hybrid%20electric%20vehicles%20(PHEVs)%20are%20a%20combination,and%20electricity%20as%20fuel%20sources.

    1. killerhertz Avatar
      killerhertz

      These dual motor technologies have never been about efficiency. Without subsidies they never would have been popular. Either go all electric or all gas.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I used to think that but no more. The Prius proved you can do both and now there are two dozen or more of the EV hybrids. you have to ask yourself how things will progress in the next 5 – 10 years AND you have to ask yourself what virtually all the big car manufacturers are building new EV plants for billions of dollars.

  5. Cathy Robb Avatar
    Cathy Robb

    Anybody who wants an electric vehicle is welcome to buy one. For city dwellers I’m sure they serve a purpose. For those of us who live rural lives, electric vehicles don’t always make sense. When I’m pulling a trailer load of horses over Shenandoah and Bullpasture Mountains, I’ll keep my Cummins diesel truck, thank you very much. Electric cars aren’t as “clean” as you think; they still make a big carbon footprint via the fossil fuel-powered electric grid they require for charging. Plus, they rely on child labor for the cobalt in their batteries — something the social justice warriors conveniently disregard.

    1. Towing. That is one of the reasons I am not willing to dive into the electric truck pool just yet. Ford claims +/-300 mile range for its new F150 Lightning, with a 10,500 lb towing capacity. I’d wager the effective range drops significantly when the truck is towing a 9,000 lb trailer. Plus, when it does run low on fuel, I can refill my diesel pickup in about 5 minutes. I’d be sitting still for a couple hours (minimum) to recharge an electric truck.

      The Lighting and the Silverado EV are impressive design exercises and they represent what I would call a “good start” – but as a real work vehicle electric pick-up trucks are not ready for prime time, in my opinion.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        “I’d be sitting still for a couple hours (minimum) to recharge an electric truck.”

        Correct, and I just hope you are even in an area where Dominion has extended the grid capacity to charge them all even if you can find a hookup.

        And, of course, no one’s rates/bills will have gone up to pay for the grid expansion. Dominion can just print the money like the Fed… Or maybe not.

        One other issue getting scant exposure is the number of highly trained personnel who will be required to do the grid upgrades. Utilities have to import personnel from neighboring systems as it is now to recover from fairly common snow/wind /storm damage. There is some mechanization (they now have bucket trucks as opposed to wearing leg gaffs) but just look up next time you pass by a line crew in operation.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep – you got that cummins diesel but do you drive it everyone all the time? The child-labor thing is just sorry ass misinformation that just gets repeated over and over.

      If you have a cell phone or laptop , are you saying it’s battery comes from child labor also? geeze… louise…

      The point about the electricity is valid but the folks who support EVs also support wind/solar and some folks are installing solar to charge their EVs!

  6. Any idea of the carbon footprint to make enough electricity to power an EV for 100 miles compared to gasoline?

    1. Alleyn Harned Avatar
      Alleyn Harned

      carbon footprint of an electric vehicle from the grid today in VA is about 1/4 of the footprint of gasoline tailpipe emissions only (not accounting for gasoline production, distribution etc). https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.html this federal link has details for all states.

      Also fueleconomy.gov has details for carbon footprint (grams per mile) of all vehicles sold in the U.S. as some are heavier than others.

  7. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/01/25/ev-recharge-hell-for-climate-activist-mayor-heidi-harmon/

    Great timing – this just appeared on WattUpWithThat….poor lady trying to charge her EV to get to climate rally….

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      It’s highly comical. There is nothing wrong with owning an EV or a hybrid. The problem is pushing them on everyone when there isn’t a sufficient support system in place to handle them.

    2. Maybe she should carry a gasoline-powered back-up generator in the trunk of her EV…

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        If she used a dual fuel propane powered generator she’d still be considered “green” 🙂

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      My economist guru is A. Gary Shilling and he has a somewhat similar recent economic analysis:
      https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/carbon-reduction-costs-will-turn-off-investors-gary-shilling

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      ” The cost of climate change will be severe if no action is taken. For instance, a report from insurance giant Swiss Re estimates that climate change could cut the global economy by $23 trillion by 2050, essentially shaving off about 11% to 14% from global economic output”

      so…pretend it’s not a real issue and do nothing or…………

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        That is not the message of my article. The implication is adaption costs are more effective than destroying the Country by mandating zero emissions. Meanwhile it always makes sense to reduce emissions where that is practical.

  8. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    A gas powered car that is driven 15,000 miles a year and gets 20 miles per gallon would cost $2400 per year for gas (at $3.20 per gallon). If electricity for a car car costs 1/3 as much as gas you would save $1600 per year, or $16,000 over 10 years. Add in a $7500 government rebate brings the savings over 10 years to $23,500. You would save less with a smaller, more efficient (30 MPG) car.

    Most of the electric cars I’ve seen cost well over $50K. The ones in the $35 0 50K range are mostly much smaller cars with limited range. It will take a long time to recover the added cost plus interest on a car loan.

    Car & light truck sales have been around 15 million a year. A $7500 rebate on each would cost the government $112 Billion a year (or $340 per person). I guess this is chicken feed when they want programs that cost trillions.

    I believe that technology is nearing the point when cars will transition from gas power to electric power, even without government mandates, but it will take a couple decades to make the transition.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      speaking of billions and the private sector and EVs:

      GM’s $7 billion investment intensifies EV battle with Ford, Tesla

      https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gms-7-billion-investment-intensifies-ev-battle-with-ford-tesla-2022-01-25/

  9. LarrytheG Avatar

    Excellent post and THANK YOU! and thank Jim Bacon for allowing other points of view besides the typical fare… ‘

    Mr. Harned makes some good non-partisan non-WOKE economic points IMHO.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      What a load of … you don’t get more woke than this nonsense. If people want electric, dealers will offer. This mandate is interfering with free market choice. But the same folks running our lives over COVID also are desperate to protect us from the false threat of climate catastrophe. They have a better argument with COVID.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        well this response is a shock! 😉

      2. killerhertz Avatar
        killerhertz

        DUH, we need EVs to save us from the mountain of disposable masks we’ve dumped in the ocean.

        1. I’m thinking about developing a chain saw that runs by burning used masks…

  10. George  Walton Avatar
    George Walton

    Does Mr. Harned’ s non-profit receive taxpayer money?

  11. How can you claim electric vehicles are not available in Virginia? In addition to the EV offerings of “conventional” auto manufacturers such as VW, there are at least three Tesla dealerships in Virginia right now.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      And you can charge your electric vehicle at home in Virginia, as long as either of the following are true:

      1)Your power company is not Dominion
      or
      2)It has been more than a week since the last major ice storm.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Uh, right now ANY vehicles are proving in short supply. But as in the good old days of Soviet Russia, the special stores for the elite are well stocked. 😉 I hear Whole Foods is better supplied than Kroger…

  12. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    I am NOT an EVangelist like the author.

    We own a 40 MPG 2020 RAV4 hybrid (no plug), cost me $28k to buy it new, and our annual gaso cost is low, way under my heating and elec bill. And our gaso bill is an order of magnitude less than our Cable+iPhone bill. If you buy an electric car in NoVA your annual car tax will be higher than my annual fuel cost, probably 2x higher and more. Which starts to get to the reason why more expensive cars are less attractive in Virginia.

    The author is basically asking for EV mandates for Virginia, and that would need to be followed up with large in-state purchase incentives to make it work with our car tax.

    Even California has backed off saying EV’s are needed to reduce pollution, since gaso cars like Prius are essentially zero emission. California is saying CO2 reduction is the reason for the mandates, which Ca. has unfairly usurped Federal gov role in mandating CO2 mandates. Have I said mandate yet?

    Last I knew (and I could be out of date) it is ~$500 cheaper to buy a car in Md anyways…less destination charge. Virginia is hugely unpleasant place to own a new car. If you want to improve our economy, sell more green cars, get rid of the car tax. Affluent NoVA would look like Teslas on every block and Hybrid Highlanders all over the place.

    I’d be curious to know what NC is doing, and how that is going? I have not heard NC becoming CARB state. I can assure you without even looking it up, NC ain’t got no annual car tax like Virginia’s. Maryland/DC local car tax is zero.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Personal Property Tax truly is the barrier keeping older less efficient cars on the road.

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Michael Vick left the state owning $70,000 in back car taxes. You have to ask yourself, how in Sam Hill do you chalk up $70,000 in unpaid back car taxes? Only in Virginia.

        1. Owning five or six high-end vehicles, coupled with two or three years of non-payment could easily rack up a $70,000 personal property tax bill.

          So yes, the car taxes in Virginia are too high.

  13. Blue Machine Avatar
    Blue Machine

    You want an EV, buy one. Just don’t expect the rest of us to subsidize your purchase. The same thing goes for solar panels. BTW, the power to run those EVs has to come from somewhere, and until we get fusion up and running (which is looking promising now) dependable energy comes mostly from fossil fuels.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      EV mandates are essentially subsidies. It means auto manufacturers must make them and must sell them. To sell them, the cost needs to be reduced and profit margin needs to taken from other vehicles. Mandates in addition to large financial incentives makes EV’s work for those who choose them.

  14. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    This is mostly propaganda. We have been exporting oil for years and are no longer” dependent” on foreign oil. Broad expansion of EVs is dependent on a reliable grid and continuation of subsidies. The VCEA raises important questions about ensuring reliability. Finally, there is no accepted epidemiological technique that can measure excess deaths as small a 115.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      agreed and the fact that propaganda is the needed approach to sell the idea, is indicative that the merits are political in nature. EVs have been heavily subsidized for 10 years now.

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