Dominion VCEA Plan Review Ends with Questions

by Steve Haner

A near year-long review of Dominion Energy Virginia’s plans to meet service obligations while abandoning fossil-fueled energy has ended with a pile of data, a list of unanswered questions, no real decision and plenty of reason to fear future electricity cost increases.

The review of Dominion’s Integrated Resource Plan (IRP) started March 9, 2020, and the State Corporation Commission issued a final order February 1:  The Commission, however, cannot conclude … that Dominion’s 2020 IRP, as filed, is reasonable and in the public interest for purposes of a planning document.”  

Sometimes it seems the real purpose of utility regulation is to create massive billable hours for lawyers, engineers and economists and the total cost of this process must have been enormous. A side benefit is to totally confuse interested lay persons, leaving the general public absolutely in the dark, no pun intended.

The list of case documents takes six pages on the SCC’s website, including the 6-part initial Dominion filing, all the testimony from various participants, and transcripts from several days of hearings. All for a process that does not actually determine what energy projects get retired, which ones get built, and how we all pay for it. It is an interminable argument over a plan.

Which is why it hasn’t gotten much attention from Bacon’s Rebellion. Of more immediate importance is the 2021 rate review for Virginia’s largest monopoly electricity provider, which will involve many of the same players spending a similar amount of time and energy. It should begin in April and will decide if Dominion truly had excess earnings and what should be done about them.  It looks back, where the IRP looks forward.

Peering into the future was complicated by passage of the 2020 Virginia Clean Economy Act (VCEA), which was just in final stages of approval as the IRP was filed. One conclusion that is clear in the final SCC order is that calling it the “Clean Energy We Don’t Actually Need Act” is a fair criticism.

As the SCC summarizes in its order, the VCEA requires Dominion to propose construction or purchase of 16,100 megawatts of solar and onshore wind generation, 5,200 megawatts of offshore wind generation, and 2,600 megawatts of energy storage. It also allows the utility to keep most of its natural gas plants and even one coal plant in operation until 2045 and even build new natural gas units.

That is more than Virginia will need, the SCC concluded. One plan produces “capacity in excess of projected load requirements of approximately 1,800 megawatts (“MW”) by 2027; 5,700 MW by 2035, and 7,400 MW by 2045.” That is based on the future load demand projected by the company.

But one of the largest disputes in the case, as always, was over the future energy demand forecasts used to justify such capital expansion. Environmental advocates challenged the IRP on that basis, also claiming Dominion underestimated the impact of efficiency programs on future demand.

The Sierra Club attacked a proposed 300-megawatt pumped storage facility as a bad investment. Another environmental group’s lawyer made a strong argument that the VCEA does not require the SCC to approve everything deemed “in the public interest” in the VCEA, even if Dominion wants to build it.

William Cleveland, counsel for Appalachian Voices, used his closing argument (here) to detail the exact wording of the final VCEA and a final drafting tweak intended to restore some SCC discretion. He asserted, as he has in other cases, that the traditional need to prove a project “reasonable and prudent” remains, despite legislative findings projects are “in the public interest.” The Office of Attorney General took the same stance.

The SCC gave credence to their arguments that in the various future options it outlined, Dominion really did not offer a lowest-possible cost plan that still met the VCEA’s targets. It never let its computer model seek out a least-cost approach, and the SCC ordered it to do so in the future.

But the SCC order stayed silent on that other key question: Did the final VCEA language preserve enough SCC discretion to allow it to say no to future wind, solar or storage proposals on the basis of cost, prudence or need? The one clear authority it has is to say no if a proposal threatens reliability.

The order noted that Dominion’s plans produce more renewable energy, measured as renewable energy certificates (REC’s), than the VCEA requires, all the way out to 2042, but failed to consider how that might produce revenue.

The customer cost projections that emerged from the IRP case (staff testimony here) hang on those questions. The prediction that residential costs could rise $800 per year by 2030 for a home using 1,000 kWh per month assume the full build-out of VCEA listed projects, which certainly the industries behind those energy sources would love to see. If Dominion builds less, it will cost us less. That is particularly true with the offshore wind.

It is also important to note those staff cost projections go far beyond the impact of the 2020 VCEA and include prior legislative forays into energy regulation, such as ordering residential lines buried or removing coal ash. The SCC ordered Dominion to provide additional and more detailed cost projections as it updates this IRP and proceeds with implementing the VCEA. It wants projections for commercial and industrial users as well as residential.

Dominion and solar advocates continued to argue in the case that for planning purposes, a 25% capacity factor should be assumed with new solar projects.  The SCC noted that the actual average output on existing fields, those that track the sun, is 19% over the past three years. It refused a request to stop doing solar output modeling based on actual performance.

Imagine the utility even asking for that.


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121 responses to “Dominion VCEA Plan Review Ends with Questions”

  1. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Nothing to see here folks. Climate change is not a threat. Let’s stick with fossil. It’s the Virginia way.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Not a THREAT!! Hell man, it ain’t even real! It’s just bad computer models fed by bad empirical measurements by incompetent money-grubbin’ scientists!

      Just saving certain persons here the trouble of espousing their myopic views.

      A man wrapped in his own interests makes a small package.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        Wrapped in delusion, even smaller.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          If the foo…

          Well then, looks like you’ll fit in that man’s watch pocket.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        “Dominion and solar advocates continued to argue in the case that for planning purposes, a 25% capacity factor should be assumed with new solar projects. The SCC noted that the actual average output on existing fields, those that track the sun, is 19% over the past three years. It refused a request to stop doing solar output modeling based on actual performance.”

        That statement right there is indicative of not following science, nor the scientific method. There was a hypothesis made, an experiment over three years took place and disproved the hypothesis. However, since it’s against the perceived narrative, science will not be followed.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    So here’s a question that maybe did or did not get answered and that is if electricity costs more, will people use less?

    Ascribe no motives or planning just that simple question and can it be modelled such that on a curve, we’d see how much use went down as the cost went up and where price no longer affected use, i.e. where folks have done everything they reasonably can and costs can no longer be reduced with conservation or other means.

    The reason is that in many parts of the world and even in the US (like Calif and NY), higher electricity costs actually do result in less use with little apparent lowering of quality of life. If that is true, does it mean we are wasting electricity because it is so cheap?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      At some point in the cost curve, I’ll make my own. I have a resin rod and one of the wife’s old cashmere sweaters…

  3. “It refused a request to stop doing solar output modeling based on actual performance.”

    Good for the SCC. I can’t see a logical reason why anyone who lives a science-based life would object to using real-world results in a performance model.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Good for the SCC. I can’t see a logical reason why anyone who lives a science-based life would object to using real-world results in a performance model.”

      Oh the irony, it’s almost like they only want to follow the scientific method when it suits them.

  4. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    I’ll know Virginia is serious about climate change when it imposes building restrictions on land that will flood with the sea rise. This is all about taking other people’s money.

    1. I’m not quite as pessimistic as you. I think it is 90% about taking other people’s money. I’m willing to assume 10% actually caring for the environment.

      🙂

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        I’d go 90% taking peoples money by hook or crook. 5% actually care and the other 5% pretend to care but aren’t smart enough to realize the parts for their “renewable” energy devices are more destructive to the environment than fossil fuels.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Virginia Beach has started doing that.

  5. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Couldn’t respond to the three lefty amigos until now. I’ll be sure to respond to your next post, Peter, telling people not to read it. You come back, I go away from BR for a while….

    I wrote a fairly straight summary of the SCC’s opinion, and to the extent the piece was pointed I reflected the text. Which you can read for yourself. Whether or not “climate change” is a “threat” never came up, and that bears no relationship to whether Dominion should build 15,000 MW of generation more than the customer demand would justify. As much liberal stupidity as the virus has revealed, it doesn’t hold a candle to this catastrophic climate change hoax. It just makes idiots of folks.

    But yes, Larry, if Dominion builds 15,000 MW it doesn’t actually need — of any type – that will further drive up costs and may bend the usage curve. Then giving poor folks “energy welfare payments” financed by paying customers further drives up our cost. You are entitled to your opinion that energy poverty is a good outcome. I think cheap energy is the key to wealth.

  6. Who here uses 1,000 kWh of electricity or less per month at their house?

  7. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muxVGmgykA4&feature=youtu.be

    So that clip is fun. I’ll find another use for it, but take a look. Massachusetts actually has an undersecretary for climate change, and his job is to “break the will” of Mass homeowners and transportation users. Not making this up. Play the video….coming to Virginia next. Larry, Nancy and Peter will cheer.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      When it happens, I won’t be here…
      Picture this… crystal blue waters, lush tropic growth, white beaches, no internet.

    2. I give him credit for being honest and forthright. Most totalitarians go to great lengths to hide the fact that they are working to break the will of the people – at least until the will of the people has been broken.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      One presumes that voters have a say if the climate warriors get out of hand.

      But again – there is a significant percentage of people who actually do want changes. I know that flies in the face of those that do not, And the scales will tip when leaders go too fast too soon.

      Leadership is finding out which way people want to go – and get in front of them!

  8. djrippert Avatar

    I literally just ended a Zoom call with a fellow NoVa entrepreneur who told me that the FERC just mandated a major change to net metering. Any of you energy bugs have any thoughts on this? If Virginia energy prices are going to rise by $800 per year by 2030 and Dominion has to buy electricity I generate – won’t that push the use of residential solar? He also told me that “community solar” is becoming a big deal in places like California, Maryland, Texas, etc. Not Virginia of course but elsewhere. Any thoughts?

    As far as climate change – maybe, maybe not. But acid rain and other pollution from fossil fuels is real. Hard to argue with that. I’m for any effort to clean up the planet that doesn’t destroy the economy. Solar seems like it’s worthwhile give or take Matt’s argument about the ecological costs of making the solar panels.

    1. That FERC decision was back in July. And as far as I can see it did not resolve anything. Here is a writeup by the APPA that captures what happened pretty well:

      “The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on July 16 dismissed on procedural grounds a petition that asked it to find that it has jurisdiction over energy sales from rooftop solar facilities and other distributed generation located on the customer side of the retail meter whenever the output of these resources exceeds the customer’s demand. . . .

      In its April petition, NERA [the New England Ratepayer Association] sought a declaratory order from FERC that there was exclusive federal jurisdiction over energy sales from distributed generation located on the customer side of the retail meter whenever the output exceeds the customer’s demand or the energy from such a generator is designed to bypass the customer’s load.

      The petition argued that a wholesale sale occurs when the output from behind-the-meter generation exceeds demand, and the rates for such sales must be priced in accordance with section 210 of the Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act (PURPA), or sections 205 and 206 of the Federal Power Act (FPA), as applicable.

      NERA also asked the Commission to “find unlawful, and therefore reject, state net metering laws which assert jurisdiction over such wholesale sales and establish a price in excess of what PURPA or the FPA allows for wholesale sales subject to this Commission’s exclusive jurisdiction.” . . .

      Here, we find that the petition does not identify a specific controversy or harm that the Commission should address in a declaratory order,” [FERC] said.”

      So, DJR: The Federal Power Act already has been interpreted to require that the FERC regulates sales of distributed generation into the Grid. But there are States that have said they could regulate those sales to the local distribution owning utility and FERC has not challenged them on that. NERA’s petition was intended to force them to reckon with that inconsistency.

      1. Rowinguy Avatar

        AC, I expect that the decision Mr Rippert’s friend was referring to was recently issued FERC Order 2222, which mandates that distributed energy resources (those connected to the distribution grid, over which FERC wields no statutory authority) MUST be allowed, if aggregated, to participate in the wholesale markets run by the RTOs. An “aggregation” can consist of a single resource (go figure that one). So, individual homeowners with rooftop solar, Tesla power wall type batteries or even Priuses, can sell their spare power into PJM and buy back from PJM, not the local utility. The outfall from this misguided ruling could end state utility regulation, but only in states whose utilities belong to RTOs. FERC was uncertain enough of its jurisdiction that it didn’t apply this decision to areas of the country, primarily the South, where no such organized market exists.

        1. Very interesting. I defer, and freely acknowledge that the ignorance hard won from retirement is blissful! But now you’ve got me curious to look into it.

    2. Ripper the only energy source with acid rain is really coal.

      There is zilch SOx NOx from gaso cars and nat gas. Diesels make some NOx but I am not sure it is big acid rain problem.
      The only petroleum fuel allowed to have sulfur is a little bit in kero/jet, because airlines always demanded the cheapest possible fuel. However airlines are willing to spend large sums for bio-jet-fuel, go figure.

      Refineries make mountains of elemental sulfur…no SOx. Actually lakes, it is a hot liquid. That is OK by-product because sulfur is well used resource and can be stored.

      I do not like net-metering in general it is a huge subsidy basically- but I do see merit in smaller solar at the house or neighborhood. In general I like smaller decentral. Just think we could obviate the need for mega-buck Off-Shore wind…perish the thought!

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        There is NOT zilch NOx from gasoline ICE. The catalytic converter is supposed to reduce and control it, but it is produced. Some State Inspections measure the emissions for it and there is a permissible level on a treadmill tesr if no OBC monitoring is available.

        Maryland is one such state. Probably not a good idea to tell a person whose State tests for NOx from gasoline engines (and natural gas pipeline compression stations) that gasoline and natural gas produce no nitric oxides.

        https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2019-06/documents/comar_26_11_29_effective_text_3_pages.pdf

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Yep. The catalytic converter and unleaded gas were two of several changes in response to laws to reduce pollution that were fought toot and nail by both corporate and individuals.

          To that point, Callifornia went it alone initially – then other states started to follow then the auto industry itself got on board.

          timeline: https://www.epa.gov/transportation-air-pollution-and-climate-change/timeline-major-accomplishments-transportation-air

          And even years after , Trump rolled back and weakened auto emission standards in response to those who advocated doing so.

  9. I’ve decided unveil my method for renewable generation of electricity:

    Giant drinking bird toys mounted on offshore platforms along our coasts and in large lakes. Their use of evaporation and differential fluid pressure to keep them swinging will solve the mechanical energy loss problem associated with trying to use pendulums to generate electricity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320181120_Pendulum_Powered_Electricity_Generation

    Should I try to sell it to Dominion?

    The top hat and feather aren’t really needed, but I think I’ll keep them, at least on the prototype…

  10. Like others here, thank you, SH, for your continuing coverage of this. You lay it out well: the twin dilemmas of “what is your IRP anyway, Dominion?” and “it’s not shown to be in the public interest but what jurisdiction do we have left to do anything about it anyway?”

    Va Const IX.2: “Subject to such criteria and other requirements as may be prescribed by law, the Commission shall have the power and be charged with the duty of regulating the rates, charges, and services and, except as may be otherwise authorized by this Constitution or by general law, the facilities of railroad, telephone, gas, and electric companies.” What a dead letter that has been rendered by the GA and the supreme court!

    1. “…the facilities of railroad, telephone, gas, and electric companies.”

      Given that language, and the Dillon Rule, do you happen to know how the Commission ended up with regulatory authority over the “rates, charges and services” of privately-owned drinking water systems?

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      What I need to do now (sigh) is dig into the renewable portfolio reviews now underway for both utilities, which get into more detail about plans on those projects. This could be my life….

      1. The Obama era Clean Power Plan was going to be my life, but then Trump ended it. I’ve been working on something else. Now liberals say that strict Clean Power Plan not enough we need immediate ban of all fossil fuel use in America, and also we must end all things resembling industry and.or manufacture. So there less for me to calculate and strategize about.

  11. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Steve,
    I acknowledge that you have an unusually deep understanding of how the SCC works, but in my opinion you get so down into the weeds you miss the big points.

    Climate change is the entire reason about the need for renewables. It is the reason for the entire discussion. You have your opinion, but putting me down as a “liberal” dumb enough to believe the big hoax. Bigger than the COVID hoax? Are you serious?

    If you look at Linkedin, you will see that I have covered energy for four decades. My reach has been global. I still deal with it on other projects. I wrote a book about the coal industry for a Big Five publisher. It took two years of research.

    Your views go against those of many experts. Why is GM stopping making gas and diesel cars in 15 years? Have you ever talked to experts and corporate executives from other states or countries about the great problem of climate change? I have and still do.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Yeah, I’m serious. After 30 years of 100% failed predictions to continue to accept this “revealed truth” is a sign of blindness, just politics. Yes, the temps are rising, but nowhere near as fast as the alarmists claim. Yes the sea is rising but it has been since the end of the Ice Age, and its steady. Follow the trend lines and ignore the BS models and there is no catastrophe, just changes we can adapt to. In 3o years things will be little different than now, and a 50 year old Greta will be screaming at nobody.

      Very happy to see coal retired, as it truly is a major pollution source, but CO2 itself is not a pollutant. It is vital plant food. We exhale it for goodness sake. If you want your GM electric car to work in 2035, you’ll still need either nuclear or fossil fuel generation.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        He’ll also need heavy metals for the batteries along with unrecyclable materials used to construct the wind turbines and solar panels.

        We’ll also be forgoing lots of items which are the byproduct of petroleum refinement.

      2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        There’s a political truism that you need an enemy to be successful. Renewables need fossil fuels because they can’t stand on their own. The biggest emitters today are China and India. Going forward they will be China, India, and the developing countries that are trying to raise their standards of living. Our green agenda will accomplish almost nothing, especially since it is built on a false or distorted narrative. Steve makes very valid points which no one wants to seriously debate.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Yeah, it’s kinda odd that certain persons who guffawed the IHME model prediction of 400,000 dead by EOY2020 are still claiming that the model is wrong.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “skeptics” of pollution –>>> skeptics of climate –>> skeptics of science –>> skeptics of Covid19 –>> skeptics of government –>> skeptics of elections

        or tea party + evangelicals = white nationalism ???

        one big tent or just way too much simplistic and wrong thinking?

      2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Nancy, you don’t have to get too far down in the weeds to realize that climate change is a Trojan Horse hiding Dominion’s creative ways to extract more profit with the Legislature’s blessing.

  12. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Nothing to see here folks. Climate change is not a threat. Let’s stick with fossil. It’s the Virginia way.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Not a THREAT!! Hell man, it ain’t even real! It’s just bad computer models fed by bad empirical measurements by incompetent money-grubbin’ scientists!

      Just saving certain persons here the trouble of espousing their myopic views.

      A man wrapped in his own interests makes a small package.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        Wrapped in delusion, even smaller.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          If the foo…

          Well then, looks like you’ll fit in that man’s watch pocket.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        “Dominion and solar advocates continued to argue in the case that for planning purposes, a 25% capacity factor should be assumed with new solar projects. The SCC noted that the actual average output on existing fields, those that track the sun, is 19% over the past three years. It refused a request to stop doing solar output modeling based on actual performance.”

        That statement right there is indicative of not following science, nor the scientific method. There was a hypothesis made, an experiment over three years took place and disproved the hypothesis. However, since it’s against the perceived narrative, science will not be followed.

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    So here’s a question that maybe did or did not get answered and that is if electricity costs more, will people use less?

    Ascribe no motives or planning just that simple question and can it be modelled such that on a curve, we’d see how much use went down as the cost went up and where price no longer affected use, i.e. where folks have done everything they reasonably can and costs can no longer be reduced with conservation or other means.

    The reason is that in many parts of the world and even in the US (like Calif and NY), higher electricity costs actually do result in less use with little apparent lowering of quality of life. If that is true, does it mean we are wasting electricity because it is so cheap?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      At some point in the cost curve, I’ll make my own. I have a resin rod and one of the wife’s old cashmere sweaters…

  14. “It refused a request to stop doing solar output modeling based on actual performance.”

    Good for the SCC. I can’t see a logical reason why anyone who lives a science-based life would object to using real-world results in a performance model.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Good for the SCC. I can’t see a logical reason why anyone who lives a science-based life would object to using real-world results in a performance model.”

      Oh the irony, it’s almost like they only want to follow the scientific method when it suits them.

  15. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    I’ll know Virginia is serious about climate change when it imposes building restrictions on land that will flood with the sea rise. This is all about taking other people’s money.

    1. I’m not quite as pessimistic as you. I think it is 90% about taking other people’s money. I’m willing to assume 10% actually caring for the environment.

      🙂

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        I’d go 90% taking peoples money by hook or crook. 5% actually care and the other 5% pretend to care but aren’t smart enough to realize the parts for their “renewable” energy devices are more destructive to the environment than fossil fuels.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Virginia Beach has started doing that.

  16. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Couldn’t respond to the three lefty amigos until now. I’ll be sure to respond to your next post, Peter, telling people not to read it. You come back, I go away from BR for a while….

    I wrote a fairly straight summary of the SCC’s opinion, and to the extent the piece was pointed I reflected the text. Which you can read for yourself. Whether or not “climate change” is a “threat” never came up, and that bears no relationship to whether Dominion should build 15,000 MW of generation more than the customer demand would justify. As much liberal stupidity as the virus has revealed, it doesn’t hold a candle to this catastrophic climate change hoax. It just makes idiots of folks.

    But yes, Larry, if Dominion builds 15,000 MW it doesn’t actually need — of any type – that will further drive up costs and may bend the usage curve. Then giving poor folks “energy welfare payments” financed by paying customers further drives up our cost. You are entitled to your opinion that energy poverty is a good outcome. I think cheap energy is the key to wealth.

  17. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Thank you for your continuing coverage of the SCC and its energy regulation activities. That is a complex field and it is time consuming to get to a point that one understands it and even more time consuming to keep on top of it. Those orders and documents must be awfully tedious to read.

    Based on your report, I am more optimistic than you regarding the value of the review of this plan. If the IRP is supposed to serve as a basis for Dominion’s future applications to build stuff, it seems that the groundwork has been prepared for the SCC to rein in Dominion’s plans, based on projected need. From a legal perspective, this was not the legal forum to say that Dominion could not build specific xxx MW of capacity. Doesn’t Dominion have to come along later and ask for that authority?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Yes, the various wind, solar and other projects will be proposed in cases to come, including their proposed payment plans. In those cases the question of the SCC’s authority to say no will be front and center and cannot be avoided. In the early stages “need” won’t be the big issue, but the proposals could be imprudent on other grounds.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        When does the SCC question what Dominion is proposing to charge for solar is more than other providers?

        1. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          In those cases, but the big difference is utility-owned vs. third party generator, and the VCEA limited the amount that Dominion can buy from third parties and pushed utility-owned….

  18. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Thank you for your continuing coverage of the SCC and its energy regulation activities. That is a complex field and it is time consuming to get to a point that one understands it and even more time consuming to keep on top of it. Those orders and documents must be awfully tedious to read.

    Based on your report, I am more optimistic than you regarding the value of the review of this plan. If the IRP is supposed to serve as a basis for Dominion’s future applications to build stuff, it seems that the groundwork has been prepared for the SCC to rein in Dominion’s plans, based on projected need. From a legal perspective, this was not the legal forum to say that Dominion could not build specific xxx MW of capacity. Doesn’t Dominion have to come along later and ask for that authority?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Yes, the various wind, solar and other projects will be proposed in cases to come, including their proposed payment plans. In those cases the question of the SCC’s authority to say no will be front and center and cannot be avoided. In the early stages “need” won’t be the big issue, but the proposals could be imprudent on other grounds.

  19. The proposal seemed a little toned down offshore wind amount. I think we should be purchasing/building on-shore wind in PA/MD/WV like many other states in our area. I suspect we are running amok with excess utility-scale solar due to incentives and subsidies and also because Dominion profits handsomely from building anything since we agree to cover all their costs and a huge profit margin. But it’s better than running amok with coal-fired plants, which was the Dems favored clean energy of the past.

  20. The proposal seemed a little toned down offshore wind amount. I think we should be purchasing/building on-shore wind in PA/MD/WV like many other states in our area. I suspect we are running amok with excess utility-scale solar due to incentives and subsidies and also because Dominion profits handsomely from building anything since we agree to cover all their costs and a huge profit margin. But it’s better than running amok with coal-fired plants, which was the Dems favored clean energy of the past.

  21. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muxVGmgykA4&feature=youtu.be

    So that clip is fun. I’ll find another use for it, but take a look. Massachusetts actually has an undersecretary for climate change, and his job is to “break the will” of Mass homeowners and transportation users. Not making this up. Play the video….coming to Virginia next. Larry, Nancy and Peter will cheer.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      When it happens, I won’t be here…
      Picture this… crystal blue waters, lush tropic growth, white beaches, no internet.

    2. I give him credit for being honest and forthright. Most totalitarians go to great lengths to hide the fact that they are working to break the will of the people – at least until the will of the people has been broken.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      One presumes that voters have a say if the climate warriors get out of hand.

      But again – there is a significant percentage of people who actually do want changes. I know that flies in the face of those that do not, And the scales will tip when leaders go too fast too soon.

      Leadership is finding out which way people want to go – and get in front of them!

  22. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    Thanks Steve for your comprehensive and objective coverage. Dominion will do anything to achieve support from the Legislature and environmentalists. I have no doubt that a truly independent study of the most cost effective mix of power production up through 2050 would look a lot different than Dominion’s plan.
    There’s an interesting article in Forbes that bears on Dominion’s gigantic offshore wind farm–https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2021/02/05/offshore-wind-plans-will-drive-up-electricity-prices-and-require-massive-industrialization-of-the-oceans/?sh=50ac17077965

  23. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    Thanks Steve for your comprehensive and objective coverage. Dominion will do anything to achieve support from the Legislature and environmentalists. I have no doubt that a truly independent study of the most cost effective mix of power production up through 2050 would look a lot different than Dominion’s plan.
    There’s an interesting article in Forbes that bears on Dominion’s gigantic offshore wind farm–https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2021/02/05/offshore-wind-plans-will-drive-up-electricity-prices-and-require-massive-industrialization-of-the-oceans/?sh=50ac17077965

  24. djrippert Avatar

    I literally just ended a Zoom call with a fellow NoVa entrepreneur who told me that the FERC just mandated a major change to net metering. Any of you energy bugs have any thoughts on this? If Virginia energy prices are going to rise by $800 per year by 2030 and Dominion has to buy electricity I generate – won’t that push the use of residential solar? He also told me that “community solar” is becoming a big deal in places like California, Maryland, Texas, etc. Not Virginia of course but elsewhere. Any thoughts?

    As far as climate change – maybe, maybe not. But acid rain and other pollution from fossil fuels is real. Hard to argue with that. I’m for any effort to clean up the planet that doesn’t destroy the economy. Solar seems like it’s worthwhile give or take Matt’s argument about the ecological costs of making the solar panels.

    1. That FERC decision was back in July. And as far as I can see it did not resolve anything. Here is a writeup by the APPA that captures what happened pretty well:

      “The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on July 16 dismissed on procedural grounds a petition that asked it to find that it has jurisdiction over energy sales from rooftop solar facilities and other distributed generation located on the customer side of the retail meter whenever the output of these resources exceeds the customer’s demand. . . .

      In its April petition, NERA [the New England Ratepayer Association] sought a declaratory order from FERC that there was exclusive federal jurisdiction over energy sales from distributed generation located on the customer side of the retail meter whenever the output exceeds the customer’s demand or the energy from such a generator is designed to bypass the customer’s load.

      The petition argued that a wholesale sale occurs when the output from behind-the-meter generation exceeds demand, and the rates for such sales must be priced in accordance with section 210 of the Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act (PURPA), or sections 205 and 206 of the Federal Power Act (FPA), as applicable.

      NERA also asked the Commission to “find unlawful, and therefore reject, state net metering laws which assert jurisdiction over such wholesale sales and establish a price in excess of what PURPA or the FPA allows for wholesale sales subject to this Commission’s exclusive jurisdiction.” . . .

      Here, we find that the petition does not identify a specific controversy or harm that the Commission should address in a declaratory order,” [FERC] said.”

      So, DJR: The Federal Power Act already has been interpreted to require that the FERC regulates sales of distributed generation into the Grid. But there are States that have said they could regulate those sales to the local distribution owning utility and FERC has not challenged them on that. NERA’s petition was intended to force them to reckon with that inconsistency.

      1. Rowinguy Avatar

        AC, I expect that the decision Mr Rippert’s friend was referring to was recently issued FERC Order 2222, which mandates that distributed energy resources (those connected to the distribution grid, over which FERC wields no statutory authority) MUST be allowed, if aggregated, to participate in the wholesale markets run by the RTOs. An “aggregation” can consist of a single resource (go figure that one). So, individual homeowners with rooftop solar, Tesla power wall type batteries or even Priuses, can sell their spare power into PJM and buy back from PJM, not the local utility. The outfall from this misguided ruling could end state utility regulation, but only in states whose utilities belong to RTOs. FERC was uncertain enough of its jurisdiction that it didn’t apply this decision to areas of the country, primarily the South, where no such organized market exists.

        1. Very interesting. I defer, and freely acknowledge that the ignorance hard won from retirement is blissful! But now you’ve got me curious to look into it.

    2. Ripper the only energy source with acid rain is really coal.

      There is zilch SOx NOx from gaso cars and nat gas. Diesels make some NOx but I am not sure it is big acid rain problem.
      The only petroleum fuel allowed to have sulfur is a little bit in kero/jet, because airlines always demanded the cheapest possible fuel. However airlines are willing to spend large sums for bio-jet-fuel, go figure.

      Refineries make mountains of elemental sulfur…no SOx. Actually lakes, it is a hot liquid. That is OK by-product because sulfur is well used resource and can be stored.

      I do not like net-metering in general it is a huge subsidy basically- but I do see merit in smaller solar at the house or neighborhood. In general I like smaller decentral. Just think we could obviate the need for mega-buck Off-Shore wind…perish the thought!

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        There is NOT zilch NOx from gasoline ICE. The catalytic converter is supposed to reduce and control it, but it is produced. Some State Inspections measure the emissions for it and there is a permissible level on a treadmill tesr if no OBC monitoring is available.

        Maryland is one such state. Probably not a good idea to tell a person whose State tests for NOx from gasoline engines (and natural gas pipeline compression stations) that gasoline and natural gas produce no nitric oxides.

        https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2019-06/documents/comar_26_11_29_effective_text_3_pages.pdf

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Yep. The catalytic converter and unleaded gas were two of several changes in response to laws to reduce pollution that were fought toot and nail by both corporate and individuals.

          To that point, Callifornia went it alone initially – then other states started to follow then the auto industry itself got on board.

          timeline: https://www.epa.gov/transportation-air-pollution-and-climate-change/timeline-major-accomplishments-transportation-air

          And even years after , Trump rolled back and weakened auto emission standards in response to those who advocated doing so.

  25. I’ve decided unveil my method for renewable generation of electricity:

    Giant drinking bird toys mounted on offshore platforms along our coasts and in large lakes. Their use of evaporation and differential fluid pressure to keep them swinging will solve the mechanical energy loss problem associated with trying to use pendulums to generate electricity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320181120_Pendulum_Powered_Electricity_Generation

    Should I try to sell it to Dominion?

    The top hat and feather aren’t really needed, but I think I’ll keep them, at least on the prototype…

  26. Like others here, thank you, SH, for your continuing coverage of this. You lay it out well: the twin dilemmas of “what is your IRP anyway, Dominion?” and “it’s not shown to be in the public interest but what jurisdiction do we have left to do anything about it anyway?”

    Va Const IX.2: “Subject to such criteria and other requirements as may be prescribed by law, the Commission shall have the power and be charged with the duty of regulating the rates, charges, and services and, except as may be otherwise authorized by this Constitution or by general law, the facilities of railroad, telephone, gas, and electric companies.” What a dead letter that has been rendered by the GA and the supreme court!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      What I need to do now (sigh) is dig into the renewable portfolio reviews now underway for both utilities, which get into more detail about plans on those projects. This could be my life….

      1. The Obama era Clean Power Plan was going to be my life, but then Trump ended it. I’ve been working on something else. Now liberals say that strict Clean Power Plan not enough we need immediate ban of all fossil fuel use in America, and also we must end all things resembling industry and.or manufacture. So there less for me to calculate and strategize about.

  27. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Steve,
    I acknowledge that you have an unusually deep understanding of how the SCC works, but in my opinion you get so down into the weeds you miss the big points.

    Climate change is the entire reason about the need for renewables. It is the reason for the entire discussion. You have your opinion, but putting me down as a “liberal” dumb enough to believe the big hoax. Bigger than the COVID hoax? Are you serious?

    If you look at Linkedin, you will see that I have covered energy for four decades. My reach has been global. I still deal with it on other projects. I wrote a book about the coal industry for a Big Five publisher. It took two years of research.

    Your views go against those of many experts. Why is GM stopping making gas and diesel cars in 15 years? Have you ever talked to experts and corporate executives from other states or countries about the great problem of climate change? I have and still do.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Yeah, I’m serious. After 30 years of 100% failed predictions to continue to accept this “revealed truth” is a sign of blindness, just politics. Yes, the temps are rising, but nowhere near as fast as the alarmists claim. Yes the sea is rising but it has been since the end of the Ice Age, and its steady. Follow the trend lines and ignore the BS models and there is no catastrophe, just changes we can adapt to. In 3o years things will be little different than now, and a 50 year old Greta will be screaming at nobody.

      Very happy to see coal retired, as it truly is a major pollution source, but CO2 itself is not a pollutant. It is vital plant food. We exhale it for goodness sake. If you want your GM electric car to work in 2035, you’ll still need either nuclear or fossil fuel generation.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        He’ll also need heavy metals for the batteries along with unrecyclable materials used to construct the wind turbines and solar panels.

        We’ll also be forgoing lots of items which are the byproduct of petroleum refinement.

      2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        There’s a political truism that you need an enemy to be successful. Renewables need fossil fuels because they can’t stand on their own. The biggest emitters today are China and India. Going forward they will be China, India, and the developing countries that are trying to raise their standards of living. Our green agenda will accomplish almost nothing, especially since it is built on a false or distorted narrative. Steve makes very valid points which no one wants to seriously debate.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Yeah, it’s kinda odd that certain persons who guffawed the IHME model prediction of 400,000 dead by EOY2020 are still claiming that the model is wrong.

      1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Nancy, you don’t have to get too far down in the weeds to realize that climate change is a Trojan Horse hiding Dominion’s creative ways to extract more profit with the Legislature’s blessing.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        “skeptics” of pollution –>>> skeptics of climate –>> skeptics of science –>> skeptics of Covid19 –>> skeptics of government –>> skeptics of elections

        or tea party + evangelicals = white nationalism ???

        one big tent or just way too much simplistic and wrong thinking?

  28. LarrytheG Avatar

    So here’s a question,. can the US military operate without electricity and fossil fuels if they had to?

    Don’t be too quick on the answer.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-green-energy-insight/u-s-military-marches-forward-on-green-energy-despite-trump-idUSKBN1683BL

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Solyndra… big push from the DoD to award that money. Batteries and bullets. Getting tough to decide which is more important.

    2. The current answer is still no, though, right?

      Furthermore, I’m not sure I can trust the “facts” presented in a report which states the following in its third paragraph: “At sea, gas-electric hybrid battleships save fuel and allow for fewer stops…”

      The U.S. Navy does not currently have any battleships in service (and they didn’t have any in 2017 when the article was written, either).

      Wouldn’t it behoove the author of the article to do some basic research on the military before writing a piece on the military?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        2017 article – I think they used “battleships” in a generic way like warships.

        There are many other articles on this same subject by the way.

        here’s another: https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/12/why-the-navy-is-becoming-a-powerful-force-for-clean-energy/

        We operate mobile equipment, ships, planes, trucks and physical bases around the world, and they all are dependent on fossil fuels. Even the bases that have access to local grid electricity have to have on-base generators that operate on fuels that have to be brought in.

        take something simple like a drone that an army patrol might use for scouting – how do you recharge it in the field?

        1. Yes, I noted in my previous comment that it was a 2017 article – what’s your point?.

          In 2017 the U.S. Department of Defense used 707.9 trillion (with a “T”) BTUs. The article says they generated 10,534 billion BTUs of “renewable” energy in 2015. Even assuming a (generous) 10% increase in renewables per year between 2015 and 1017, for a total of 12,750 billion BTUs, that’s only 1.8% of the DoD’s total energy use.

          Your question was: “can the US military operate without electricity and fossil fuels if they had to?”, with the added condescension: “Don’t be too quick on the answer.”

          Well, Larry, the “quick” answer is no, no they cannot operate without electricity or fossil fuels, and they won’t be able to for the foreseeable future. Why do you want to keep arguing the point? Or are you going to move the goal posts again?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            re: ” with the added condescension”

            not intended that way. my bad.

            Let’s try again.

            The thinking that solar will likely never be a primary fuel because it cannot generate 24/7 may miss some important things – that the military has demonstrated with it’s continuing interest in solar and renewables.

            bases and equipment that are reliant on fossil fuels require extensive supply logistics and lack backup ability if the supply chain is interrupted or grid electricity goes down.

            What the military adopts, often flows to the civilian sector.

            Many islands in the world right now are also reliant on imported diesel fuels for electricity that can cost 40 cents KWH. Even if you can’t go 100% 24/7 solar, you can still make a dent in the need for the fossil fuels – totally aside from climate change reasons.

            SOLAR, even intermittent solar has some significant uses and the military’s interest in it bolsters that view.

            Hopefully none of that nasty condescension !

          2. Larry,

            I am 100% in favor of solar and wind power generation, where they are appropriate and economical. But to imply that the military can do without fossil fuels because of a few developments in using solar power in field operations is just plain incorrect.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Wayne. Never implied that at all. Just said they are interested in solar to mitigate their reliance on fossil fuels – which is the basic issue outside the military also.

            Solar as current will probably never be a 100% 24/7 fuel (without batteries) but that does not mean it is not valuable – for certain roles and if solar can be used to make hydrogen out of water , we’ll see major changes.

            I just don’t see solar as not useful and not having potential.

            And neither does the military.

  29. LarrytheG Avatar

    So here’s a question,. can the US military operate without electricity and fossil fuels if they had to?

    Don’t be too quick on the answer.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-green-energy-insight/u-s-military-marches-forward-on-green-energy-despite-trump-idUSKBN1683BL

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Solyndra… big push from the DoD to award that money. Batteries and bullets. Getting tough to decide which is more important.

    2. The current answer is still no, though, right?

      Furthermore, I’m not sure I can trust the “facts” presented in a report which states the following in its third paragraph: “At sea, gas-electric hybrid battleships save fuel and allow for fewer stops…”

      The U.S. Navy does not currently have any battleships in service (and they didn’t have any in 2017 when the article was written, either).

      Wouldn’t it behoove the author of the article to do some basic research on the military before writing a piece on the military?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        2017 article – I think they used “battleships” in a generic way like warships.

        There are many other articles on this same subject by the way.

        here’s another: https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/12/why-the-navy-is-becoming-a-powerful-force-for-clean-energy/

        We operate mobile equipment, ships, planes, trucks and physical bases around the world, and they all are dependent on fossil fuels. Even the bases that have access to local grid electricity have to have on-base generators that operate on fuels that have to be brought in.

        take something simple like a drone that an army patrol might use for scouting – how do you recharge it in the field?

        1. Yes, I noted in my previous comment that it was a 2017 article – what’s your point?.

          In 2017 the U.S. Department of Defense used 707.9 trillion (with a “T”) BTUs. The article says they generated 10,534 billion BTUs of “renewable” energy in 2015. Even assuming a (generous) 10% increase in renewables per year between 2015 and 1017, for a total of 12,750 billion BTUs, that’s only 1.8% of the DoD’s total energy use.

          Your question was: “can the US military operate without electricity and fossil fuels if they had to?”, with the added condescension: “Don’t be too quick on the answer.”

          Well, Larry, the “quick” answer is no, no they cannot operate without electricity or fossil fuels, and they won’t be able to for the foreseeable future. Why do you want to keep arguing the point? Or are you going to move the goal posts again?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            re: ” with the added condescension”

            not intended that way. my bad.

            Let’s try again.

            The thinking that solar will likely never be a primary fuel because it cannot generate 24/7 may miss some important things – that the military has demonstrated with it’s continuing interest in solar and renewables.

            bases and equipment that are reliant on fossil fuels require extensive supply logistics and lack backup ability if the supply chain is interrupted or grid electricity goes down.

            What the military adopts, often flows to the civilian sector.

            Many islands in the world right now are also reliant on imported diesel fuels for electricity that can cost 40 cents KWH. Even if you can’t go 100% 24/7 solar, you can still make a dent in the need for the fossil fuels – totally aside from climate change reasons.

            SOLAR, even intermittent solar has some significant uses and the military’s interest in it bolsters that view.

            Hopefully none of that nasty condescension !

          2. Larry,

            I am 100% in favor of solar and wind power generation, where they are appropriate and economical. But to imply that the military can do without fossil fuels because of a few developments in using solar power in field operations is just plain incorrect.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Wayne. Never implied that at all. Just said they are interested in solar to mitigate their reliance on fossil fuels – which is the basic issue outside the military also.

            Solar as current will probably never be a 100% 24/7 fuel (without batteries) but that does not mean it is not valuable – for certain roles and if solar can be used to make hydrogen out of water , we’ll see major changes.

            I just don’t see solar as not useful and not having potential.

            And neither does the military.

  30. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Steve. The EPA says CO2 is a pollutant.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Nixon created the EPA. Damned Democrat!

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Peter – Very smart people that blog have determined that the EPA, NOAA, NASA and the majority of the worlds climate scientists are flat wrong and have fabricated data and misinterpreted it also!

      😉

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        NASA! Eisenhower created NASA! Damned Democrat! Such a Liberal he was too. Budgets over tax cuts! Infrastructure spending!

  31. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Steve. The EPA says CO2 is a pollutant.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Nixon created the EPA. Damned Democrat!

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Peter – Very smart people that blog have determined that the EPA, NOAA, NASA and the majority of the worlds climate scientists are flat wrong and have fabricated data and misinterpreted it also!

      😉

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        NASA! Eisenhower created NASA! Damned Democrat! Such a Liberal he was too. Budgets over tax cuts! Infrastructure spending!

  32. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    EPA was able to declare CO2 a pollutant because of a Supreme Court decision that ignored legislative history. In reauthorizing the Clean Air Act in 1990, Congress explicitly decided not to give EPA authority to regulated CO2. Further, the Court ignored its own precedent for judging science–Merrill v Daubert.

    1. Rowinguy Avatar

      Nevertheless, Bill, the Supreme Court did rule that CO2 was a pollutant and EPA was obligated under law to regulate it.

      They Supremes aren’t last because they’re right, they’re right because they’re last.

      1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        That is factually wrong. The Court said only that EPA had the authority to regulate; it did not mandate that it do so. Read the decision to verify.

  33. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    EPA was able to declare CO2 a pollutant because of a Supreme Court decision that ignored legislative history. In reauthorizing the Clean Air Act in 1990, Congress explicitly decided not to give EPA authority to regulated CO2. Further, the Court ignored its own precedent for judging science–Merrill v Daubert.

    1. Rowinguy Avatar

      Nevertheless, Bill, the Supreme Court did rule that CO2 was a pollutant and EPA was obligated under law to regulate it.

      They Supremes aren’t last because they’re right, they’re right because they’re last.

      1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        That is factually wrong. The Court said only that EPA had the authority to regulate; it did not mandate that it do so. Read the decision to verify.

  34. LarrytheG Avatar

    Does the SCOTUS get to decide what science the EPA can use to determine if something is a pollutant or not? Why have an EPA, just let the SCOTUS vote on each potential pollutant based on their legal training?

    EPA is not alone. Most of the worlds other environmental agencies also agree.

  35. LarrytheG Avatar

    Does the SCOTUS get to decide what science the EPA can use to determine if something is a pollutant or not? Why have an EPA, just let the SCOTUS vote on each potential pollutant based on their legal training?

    EPA is not alone. Most of the worlds other environmental agencies also agree.

  36. PS – In 2013 the U.S. military used 0.75 quadrillion BTUs of energy. That’s 750 trillion (with a “T”) BTUs. The article says they generated 10,534 billion British thermal units of “renewable” energy in 2015. That’s something like 0.014% of their total energy use.

    Can you say: Pi$$ing in the wind?

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