To End Carbon Energy We Need More Carbon Energy!

By Steve Haner

Three recent announcements from Dominion Energy Virginia in rapid succession point a path forward for the utility that complies in part and utterly rejects in part the carbon-free energy pipe dream of the Virginia Clean Economy Act (VCEA).

All three of the announcements will result in major cost increases to the company’s 2.6 million ratepayers. Just how much the projects will all cost combined is still unknown, and frankly nobody is likely to press that issue until the utility is ready to show its cards. The utility’s next integrated resource plan, to be filed later this year, should shed some light.

The most recent announcement is the most surprising. Dominion has proposed to build a $550 million liquified natural gas plant and storage facility for the sole purpose of providing a fuel backup to its newest two natural gas generation plants. The facility will be fed by the Transco Pipeline and be attached to the Greensville and Brunswick generation plants. Combined they produce about 3 gigawatts of reliable electricity into Dominion’s territory or the surrounding PJM regional transmission organization.

The facility, likely to cost ratepayers closer to $1 billion when profit and financing costs are added in, may never be needed. It is insurance against a possible interruption of the flow in the Transco pipeline, which has not actually happened so far. The investment is even more questionable if Dominion truly intends to comply with the VCEA and close both Greensville and Brunswick in 20 years.  (Hint: It doesn’t.)

Should the Transco Pipeline go offline, the stored LNG would keep the two plants running for four days, or one of the plants for eight days. That is quite a capital price tag for a four day energy cushion, and the cost-benefit debate over this idea will probably be just as fierce as the environmentalist fury. The case file is up at the State Corporation Commission website.

The two other announcements could be viewed as signs of compliance with the VCEA’s carbon-free vision. As expected, Dominion is going to take advantage of a new 2024 law and charge its ratepayers for the engineering and development of a new nuclear plant, even though it is making no promises to actually build anything at all. This abandons the traditional plant approval process.

The company’s news release is very clear there is “no commitment to build an SMR at North Anna.” SMR means small modular reaction, and the company’s plans to focus on its existing nuclear site is a blow to Southwest Virginia, which was fed a line of bull by politicians about a plant going out there instead. Appalachian Power which serves that area, however, still has not announced what location it might consider if it makes a similar move based on the 2024 legislation. It also can collect from ratepayers but ultimately build nothing.

Finally, as previously reported on Bacon’s Rebellion, Dominion is expanding its offshore wind empire into North Carolina waters, paying independent power developer Avangrid $160 million to take over the planned Kitty Hawk North production area. The federal government has already adopted a construction and operations plan for that area, but Dominion could amend it. The big impediment is local opposition to bringing the power lines ashore at Sandbridge Beach.

All three of these announcements were made without full cost estimates. Forget about an estimated combined cost being announced.

A capital cost figure ($550 million) was given for the LNG facility, but not a calculation of ratepayer cost. That will depend mainly on how many years of installments are demanded. There will also be major operational costs, since the storage tank will need to maintain the gas in its super cold state, steadily burning more energy even while the tank may never be used.

If Kitty Hawk North (now to be called Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind South) follows the pattern of other recent projects, the cost will be far greater than that for the first wave of CVOW off Virginia Beach. Dominion will be able to apply for the same favorable regulatory treatment of CVOW South that is received for the original CVOW.  That is because the first wave used only about half of the mandated wind approvals in the VCEA.

But VCEA granted no favorable treatment of a possible expansion of nuclear power and the law will be the main weapon for opponents of the plan to build that Southside Virginia LNG processing and storage facility.

But even though the proposal clearly violates the spirit of the VCEA, Dominion’s application is quite blunt in arguing that the LNG proposal is mainly needed because of VCEA and the related national push to shut down most or all carbon-based thermal generation. Testimony from Dominion energy market consultant Katya Kuleshova focuses on that:

In 2023, the Company retired 1,935 MW of coal-fired and oil-fired generation, including Chesterfield units 5 and 6 and Yorktown unit 3, which decreased its firm (summer) capacity by approximately 1,800 MW. In 2021, the Company retired oil-fired Possum Point unit 5, which decreased its firm capacity by 622.5 MW. Against the backdrop of increasing demand, supported by the PJM load forecasts, the loss of this capacity has increased the importance of the remaining dispatchable generators in the Company’s fleet.

Furthermore, a series of recent Environmental Protection Agency (“EPA”) regulations applicable to existing coal units and steam generating units fueled by natural gas or oil constrain existing generators in the Company’s fleet and within the PJM footprint by either limiting their capacity factors or requiring additional capital investments…As a result, Brunswick and Greensville are becoming more important for reliability of electric service within the Company’s service territory and PJM.

So, she reports about 2,400 megawatts of reliable generation (10% of Dominion’s peak) has disappeared in recent years, and thousands more megawatts are under threat from EPA.  The company’s answer is an LNG investment which will produce zero additional electricity, an SMR it might not actually build and an offshore wind project with perhaps 800 megawatts of output at best 40% of the time.  

All three of these projects: The LNG “battery”, the North Carolina wind farm, and the potential SMR’s, likely would not be on the horizon without VCEA. How much is compliance with this law really costing ratepayers? Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer.


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44 responses to “To End Carbon Energy We Need More Carbon Energy!”

  1. Carter Melton Avatar
    Carter Melton

    Steve….thanks for your work on this VERY important topic. The details are mind numbing for those of us without an engineering background or familiarity with the electricity industry.

    I think the day is closer than many may predict when some enemy state actor is going to hit the power grid(s) and turn the lights off in America. A week or more without any electricity will show us just how thin the patina of civilization is. Just installed a 1000 gal underground propane tank and whole-house generator. Some solar maybe next. Hoping the National Guard can get control of the streets quickly.

    Thanks again for your great work.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      The last bad hurricane in Virginia (Isabel, Sept 2003) left many without power for a week or up to two, or longer. But it wasn't universal and many came back quicker, keeping the disruption from being worse. (We had a house full of relatives for a while.) If 90% are out, it won't be pretty.

  2. Thomas Carter Avatar
    Thomas Carter

    "Virginia Clean Economy Act (VCEA)" — passed in large measure by legislators who know nothing about the electric utility industry, just as they didn't understand the flash-in-the-pan endorsement of "deregulation."

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Nor “climate change”

  3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Charlie Munger (RIP) had the best view of energy, is that fossil fuels are valuable but limited so we need to conserve, but also go with alternates.

    If we are ready to accept super-mega-expensive energy options, such as Nukes and Offshore wind, there are also a lot of cleaner fossil fuel options. Coal gasification for H2, super-energy efficient natural gas plants, CoGen. Getting a little fancier, how about, natural gas to methanol, which can include CO2 as co-feed. In turn, methanol can go to gasoline, chemicals, and/or biodiesel. Also for Pete's Sake how about some cost-effective Onshore Wind in West (by God) Virginia?

    But is it criminal to go to WV? and is ALL combustion criminal and must be immediately banned? (as we heard from a liberal young man in Michael Moore's Planet of the Humans docu).

    Political divisiveness is preventing diversified options.

  4. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    The costs for all backup power supplies are extraordinary. Figuring the opportunity cost for not implementing them is a big part of the issue of how we power the future.

    The issue of bridges for interruptible power generation are extremely high. As we see here, the cost to provide even short term backup for gas generators is very expensive too. The costs for wind and solar are far higher. What are the costs of maintaining backup batteries, pumped storage or gas and coal generators for interruptible wind and solar? Might we be money in the bank ahead by going for SMRs that are always on instead?

    What are the public policies on electric power? How much down time is acceptable, and what expense to prevent it is appropriate?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      What they are trying to do is replicate the situation where coal plants have a big stock of coal on hand in case bad weather disrupts deliveries. And I would think a cyber attack is a bigger threat than weather. That happened to a gasoline pipeline.

      If things go as they should, all the pieces should be on the board for the coming IRP. Unfortunately, based on the discussion at the first meeting of the newly revised CEUR at the legislature, there is lack of understanding about the role and importance of the IRP process.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Just when I think I’ve got a grip on the amazing way money makes money…
        https://corporate.vanguard.com/content/corporatesite/us/en/corp/articles/client-centric-approach-securities-lending.html

        Have you heard of such? Loaning your shares.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          I think it happens all the time. Short sellers sell shares they don't own. How? By borrowing shares from people who do own the shares and then selling those shares. Short sellers not only have to eventually replace tths shares they sold at whatever price the shares are trading at the time pf purchase and replacement they also have to pay a "cost to borrow" – which is essentially interest on the amount of money the borrowed shares were worth at the the time they were borrowed. The rate of interest charged depends on the popularity to short sellers of the shares. Shares with a low demand for short sellers get a low cost to borrow rate. Shares in high demand by short sellers require a higher cost t0 borrow rate. Seems like a "what the market will bear" type approach.

          At least, that's my understanding.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Your vote goes with the stock. That’s another reason to borrow.
            So does your dividend. But while the borrower has to make you whole, he gets the tax advantage, you get straight income.

    2. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      I freely admit to being fascinated by and enamored of pump storage. Replicating Bath Co. pumped storage would likely run $5 billion or so. But once constructed the operating costs are very low.

      1. Paul Sweet Avatar
        Paul Sweet

        Pumped storage is primarily for evening out daily fluctuations in demand. Excess power during low demand periods is used to pump water uphill, then during high demand the water runs back down and the pumps act as generators.

        BTW, Smith Mountain Lake was actually built as a pumped storage facility for Appalachian.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          It also has potential for bridging drop outs from intermittent sources like solar or wind. Its availability is however limited by geography.

  5. Jim Kibler Avatar
    Jim Kibler

    Steve, I don't know anything about this project other than what the company has released, but I don't share your cause for alarm. In fact, I think it's a a very smart move that will benefit customers.

    As you well know, there are significant energy transmission constraints (both electric and gas) East of Richmond. Market area gas storage s an excellent option for ensuring reliability in areas where there are transmission constraints and seasonal peak loads. I know this first-hand from my work, and have seen LNG "peakers" like the one proposed operate exceptionally well in Atlanta, Baltimore and other areas, and the Chicago market has a vast system of underground market area storage. In short, this is not new.

    Transco is a terrific transmission and storage operator, and has exceptionally high reliability. Where you might be missing a critical step is that the US natgas system is disaggregated relative to the rest of the world. Gas is transported through an intricate web of assets operated by many operators. So another operator upstream of Transco could have an upset that would trigger force majeure, operational flow orders, etc. to keep the system up, and that can cause a cascading effect.

    If we're not going to be able to build pipelines into Eastern Virginia, and apparently that's the case, then market area storage is the next best option for ensuring reliability and moderating commodity prices for consumers. The Texas example is inapt because it's entirely stupid, to borrow a technical term, but the fundamentals are the same: reliability requires redundancy and optionality. This is the way that smart systems work.

    It looks like storage is going to be the answer for Southeast Virginia on many fronts, or else our geographic constraints will severely limit economic and wage growth and quality of life.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I agree with Mr. Kibler. Dominion is investing in reliability. Good on them! NOt just disasters, just super hot or super cold days when demand spikes beyond the pipelines ability to keep up gas flow.

      Wind and solar are going to "fit" nicely into the mix and, when
      available, far less costly than spot market gas.

      Pretty sure they're going to export gas overseas also which means the price is going to get set on a wider scale than just Virginia/East Coast.

      Finally, the hotter it gets, the more AC we're gonna use and many/most of us will be paying more and looking for ways to use less and clearly Dominion is being responsible.

      1. Jim Kibler Avatar
        Jim Kibler

        Virginia Natural Gas has had smaller market area storage for decades – first an LNG plant in James City County (now retired) and then a contracted propane-air storage facility in Chesapeake – it's really not a new idea, has been approved by the VSCC as prudent in those situations and it has all the tools to evaluate this proposal as well.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          I'd rather build more transportation capacity, but that is part of the cost-benefit debate. But thank you, Jim, for the added info on other examples. I can be persuaded.

      2. Jim Kibler Avatar
        Jim Kibler

        I'll disagree with you on exported LNG affecting domestic market prices. With rare exception, LNG exports are a price taker and not a price maker. But the thing about gas storage that is really beautiful from an economic standpoint is that it serves as a place for gas production in non-peak months. Assuming there is adequate storage (banking and loaning) this serves not only to ensure that consumers have gas in peak demand periods but that it has been purchased on sale.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Well, educate me on LNG. I look at oil prices which are benchmarked on a world basis.

          Why not LNG? tell me what you know.

          yeah, we're preaching to the choir on the storage thing, no question!

          1. Jim Kibler Avatar
            Jim Kibler

            It was once a thing that natgas and oil futures were essentially tied to each other. Shale changed that. Today, the vast majority of natgas production in the US is not "asscoiated gas" produced from oil-rich basins. It is predominantly "dry gas" although some liquids may be mixed in depending on the basin.

            This has a ton of ramifications too long to list here, but essentially the natgas produced in the US is cleaner and cheaper than the natgas in the rest of the world. Norway possibly excepted.

            The US produces more natgas than any other nation and within the next month or so, it will surpass all other primary fuels in terms of US consumption.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            but why wouldn’t we export it and in doing so have it’s price influenced by foreign demand ? Wouldn’t “clean” nat gas have a demand internationally especially in places that don’t have it and don’t want to burn coal ?

  6. You left out the significant capital costs (billions) to comply with PJM's mandate for new/upgraded transmission corridors from fossil fuel fired (coal?) plants in other states, all to support the voracious appetite of newly approved data centers in NOVA. Additional billions passed on to the ratepayers.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      People are saying and thinking the data centers are new and additional use. One has to ask , what is it that they are providing
      that was not being provided before?

      Data Centers are actually consolidating existing uses via the cloud.

      Everytime you go to a business, it has an internet connection and moves data. Been doing that way before data centers came along.

      That data was already going to existing physical servers, spead all over the region, state, national. What data centers do is provide is a more centralized place for those servers. Think Amazon Web Services.

      1. I don't need a primer on data centers functionality, the issue here is power consumption and rate payer bills, focus Larry.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          What I'm saying here is that when someone moves their existing server data to a data center, it's not adding consumption, it's consolidating existing consumption. Yes, there is new also because of more and things are being moved to the internet.

          Like, when you use WAZE or VRBO – you're talking to a server with data and they existed BEFORE the data centers we are seeing now. THey existed on servers to begin with not on data centers.

          That's my view. Can you share with me what you think the data center are doing if you don't agree – so I'll know more/better?

          1. All you are proving is that you have no clue with respect to data center operations, user and power consumption. It is not a simple consolidation of existing consumption particularly as you have not factored in the two principal uses driving most of the expanded power needs, AI and bit coin mining.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I know of them and yes, they are relatively”new” as you say (though bitcoin has been around quite a while now) Is that one of the questions that should be asked with respect to proposals and/or stipulated that they cannot do that kind of business?

            What would bitcoin and AI do if they could not use data centers? Would they just set up their own servers
            and not called them data centers so they could get approval?

          3. You can't dictate the type of business the data centers engage in, at least not without running afoul of the Dillon Rule and certain litigation. As to them setting up their own, the amount of computational power they require necessitates a data center.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Yes. But a Data Center is selling computer power to many wheras a bitcoin or AI company could just
            get a business license and do the same but just for their own business, not selling computer power to others.
            right? It would be no different than Microsoft or Boeing or Walmart setting up their own business that includes computer operations at their site. Isn’t that the main difference?

  7. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Please all of you Leftist Gaia tree hugging crazies (I am trying to win friends and influnce people here. Actually not – I am trying to slap some sense into you) – stop the Wind! Nuclear is the answer, and continued use of fossil fuels, unless you like poverty)
    https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/offshore-wind-scandal-is-worse-than-you-think
    Wind is a non-economic boondoggle. Subsidized, political money-laundering grift.
    Can we please try reality? Please?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      so the question is, are you willing to pay what nuclear will cost especially if it is more than other "fuels"?

      If you are willing to pay more, you may well find yourself in agreement with some of the "greenies" !

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Show me your bogus math.
        Wind and sun are "free."
        Wind and sun are not reliable. Plus the economics currenlty only work with subsidies and bad assumptions, which, when reality hits, will always turn out not to have been as rosy as assumed.
        Nuclear is reliable. Also, thorium would appear to be more abundant and less dangerous after use.
        "Science" should be based on reality.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          It’s a simple question really. If it turns out that nuclear power is more expensive than other fuels , including fossil fuels, would you still support it?

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            I would trust the “science,” in this case MATH. I would also wonder what we could build a nuclear plant for without all the “help” from the tree huggers, who really hate people. How come the navy has nuclear subs? How come the FANGS (the big 5 tech whatever the acronym is) are investigating modular nuclear reactors for their data farms? Show me real math, not unicorn fairy dust math.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            After all is said and done, and you do get the math you want, if that math says that nuclear power will indeed cost more than other fuels, including fossil fuels… would you still support nukes anyhow?

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            A very fictional hypothetical. If real math ever indicated that wind or solar was cheaper, then you have to factor in reliability and national security. A grid running on 40% on demand reliability is not a grid. When will you and the rest of the crazed Leftists factor in reliability and national security and all the costs being imposed on the poor when mandating your virtue signaling power grabbing unscientific, Marxist authoritarianism?

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Oh, not talking about wind or solar at all.. just a simple proposition. If at the end of the day, using the math you trust, it shows that nuclear will cost more than fossil fuels, would you support it. simple thing here. what's your answer?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Oh, not talking about wind or solar at all.. just a simple proposition. If at the end of the day, using the math you trust, it shows that nuclear will cost more than fossil fuels, would you support it. simple thing here. what's your answer?

          6. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Why don’T you tell me? In general I would support the cheapest sources of energy. And again you have to factor in reliability and national security. And if the crazed Leftists actually did believe greenhouse gases and carbon were so threatening, they would support nuclear. But they don’t because it is only about grift and power. They’d give up their jets and big homes. Poseurs all.
            Meanwhile, here is a dose of reality you will ignore and just continue to blather your undying love for Big Brother – https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2024/06/26/joe_bidens_energy_policies_are_based_on_fantasies_and_fairy_tales_1040660.html

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I'm asking your view , the science and data you trust, including the reliability and national security factors . Would YOU support Nuclear if it cost more than fossil fuels? I think you'll find that there is support for nuclear among some climate scientists as well as some environmentalists as well as people like Bill Gates and they do so even if it costs more than fossil fuels. So how about you? yea or nay if it costs more?

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I'm asking your view , the science and data you trust, including the reliability and national security factors . Would YOU support Nuclear if it cost more than fossil fuels? I think you'll find that there is support for nuclear among some climate scientists as well as some environmentalists as well as people like Bill Gates and they do so even if it costs more than fossil fuels. So how about you? yea or nay if it costs more?

          9. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            I already answered. There are too many variables to say without knowing the other inputs. But here is an easier question – a real yes or no – which I can never get an answer from Leftists here – is it OK to cheat in elections? And if you answer that, I might really try my luck and ask how many sexes are there? But not gonna hold my breath…

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I’m asking if you DO KNOW and the reality actually is that it WILL be more expensive.

            Not arguing if it would be or not, no speculating, – just how you’d decide if it turned out it was
            more expensive than fossil fuels from sources you do trust.

            easy question, no?

          11. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Wasting my time and not answering a true yes no question. There are too many variables and all need to be weighed relative to each other and the situation at that time. Right now, the answer is nuclear if you really believe in the elimination of fossil fuels. I don’t. But I do believe in multiple sources and reliability and economics, including the externalities imposed on the poor by the unicorn “science.”
            Meanwhile, is it OK to cheat in elections?

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