Despite Offered Delays, Pay Your Taxes On Time

By Steve Haner

The latest complaint against the Northam Administration’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic is failing to provide adequate state tax relief. The complaint comes from the Tax Foundation and surfaced in a news report in Wednesday’s Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star.  The Richmond Times-Dispatch has now chimed in with an editorial.

Apparently most other states have matched the new (and temporary) federal income tax filing deadline of July 15 rather than April 15. Virginia has delayed the deadline for paying any taxes still owed for 2019 from May 1 to June 1. But the 2019 income tax returns are still due on May 1, and the common complaint is that since Virginia taxes are based on your federal adjusted gross income, you need to know your federal AGI figure to file.

“Virginia has done the least to help taxpayers with delayed filings or delayed payments than any other state,” said Jared Walczak, director of state tax policy with the Tax Foundation.

Walczak said although Virginia requires that state tax returns be filed by May 1, the payment deadline has been extended until June 1. But even with an extension on tax payments, Walczak said interest starts to accrue on the amount you owe.

“Virginia is the only state in the nation that is doing that,” said Walczak. “Everywhere else, there is at least some relief on both filing and payment deadlines.”

Walczak knows Virginia, having formerly served as legislative aide to state Senator Mark Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg, and his insights on tax policy matters around the United States are always useful. Tax Foundation’s website has a wealth of information on fiscal responses to COVID-19 and how to leverage the benefits.

With all due respect, I find these complaints about Virginia’s inaction on taxes hollow. Despite the option to delay the process, the vast majority of us should file and pay on time – state and federal. Virginia needs the cash. It cannot mirror federal practices of spending money is doesn’t have and may never have.

Yes, unemployment is rushing to new records, thousands of businesses have shut their doors, and some individuals may benefit from additional time to file and pay. But all must ask, is it worth the interest expense? Even under the federal changes, the same amount of taxes are eventually owed. Remember, this is about what people or businesses earned in the tax year that ended December 31. Estimated taxes for 2020 income are still due on the same schedule, and payroll withholding continues, right?

Most of us are not unemployed or are already retired, and many businesses are continuing to operate. Most taxpayers have no need to delay, and of course plenty of people file early and have their refunds in their accounts already. At the time of the state announcement on March 20, my first thought was this is not really lowering anybody’s taxes and unless interest and penalties are waived, why take advantage of it?

If I’m reading the state documents correctly, if you don’t want to file an income tax return on May 1, you simply need to request an (automatically granted) six-month extension to file and then, if you think you will owe additional taxes, pay that estimated amount by June 1. Easy.

The Tax Foundation didn’t mention sales and use taxes, but the state also offered a one-month delay to retailers on remitting those taxes, from March 20 to April 20. That extension is allowed only if approved on a case-by-case basis, and again, there will be interest due if you delay. My thought at the time was also, so what? Any retailer who takes that cash and uses it to make payroll, gambling that 30 days later the skies will clear, is taking a huge risk.

The federal and state governments have thrown more money at COVID-19 than with any previous financial shock, with little thought it seems. It is starting to look like the Jubilee year in Leviticus, where all debts and obligations are forgiven. Are we sure everybody seeking a mortgage payment deferral really needs it? Will nobody be taking unfair advantage of the moratorium on evictions (which don’t remove the debt, just delay the consequences)? Is every business piling into the bank for those forgivable loans really in desperate straits, or do some just want a cash cushion?

On that last one, we may see stories one day that plenty of those loan recipients did not need the money, but they sucked it up before businesses that needed it worse got their applications filed. From what I’ve read, it is first come, first served. There is no hard and fast “but for” requirement, as in “but for this loan I definitely would lay off my staff.”

Eliminating taxes, or cutting them, would permanently put cash into people’s hands. That little-understood $1,200 per person, $500 per child payment most of us are about to get is really a 2020 income tax cut, paid now rather than at the time we file our 2020 returns in a year. People who don’t understand refundable tax credits are about to get one, many of us not actually needing it.

A similar state tax cut would put cash into consumer hands, but Virginia cannot afford to do that now. Frankly, I’m surprised it was willing to delay the tax filing and payment process for income taxes or sales taxes at all. These filing and payment delays just shuffle the accounting, slightly to taxpayers’ benefits and the state’s detriment. The taxes are still due in full and a good rule is: Always pay first the people who can seize your house or car.


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39 responses to “Despite Offered Delays, Pay Your Taxes On Time”

  1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    This is my first COVID-19 era criticism of Northam. Is he playing with at least 40 cards in his deck? Everyone around the nation irrespective of political background has been granting more time on taxes. Indeed, every daily message from Fairfax County BoS Chairman Jeff McKay notes this.

    In order to meet the Virginia filing deadline, a person needs to have his/her federal taxes done and filed. So Virginia has effectively undone the federal relief, unless one files for the 6-month extension. Yes, what a great thing to do to people in the midst of a pandemic. Do paperwork.

    I guess that, despite the budget crisis, Northam wants people’s money so he can do partial virtue signaling. The man is beyond repulsive. Terry McAuliffe’s campaign for governor can me “I’m not a turd like Northam.”

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I guess I’m using a short deck, too. Agreed you need to calculate federal AGI to do your state taxes, but do you need to have actually filed a federal return with payment? Perhaps I’m wrong but I don’t think so. Granted, I’ve always done them simultaneous. Big businesses, sophisticated taxpayers do extensions all the time anyway, paying only estimated taxes on time.

      This will be about as popular a suggestion as my column on Do Not Resuscitate orders. 🙂 Congress did a Dumb Thing IMHO and it shouldn’t put the state in a bind.

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        Intuit says to mail a copy of the taxpayer’s federal return with the Virginia state return if filed by mail. I’ve been using TurboTax for years and sending a copy of the federal return. I’ve also searched the instructions for the Form 760 and did not find any reference to the contrary.

        I periodically review my federal return until I file it and have often made changes that affect AGI and other figures. For example, sometimes I find I’ve missed a business expense on a subsequent review that alters the tax figures. It just doesn’t make sense to have state taxes due earlier than the federal ones. And, yes, filing for an extension is simple for many, I bet at least half of all state taxpayers would not know how to do this. Why did every other state follow the feds? But then, Virginia didn’t adopt the recent federal changes like it always did in the past? Virtue signaling is expensive.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Yeah, I think you can calculate your Federal adjusted gross but not file then use that for the State return and file it.

    And I actually agree with Steve although truthfully, I expected him to join the critics on this. Yes…a lot of folks are still “okay” and the state definitely will need the money – and I suspect the budget folks are somewhat nervously looking at revenue projections…

    The folks who are still employed and the retired can be thought of as the “seed corn” for the recovery…

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Maybe they are hoping people due refunds will delay. The overall goal is liquidity, but alot of this is creating personal debt, adding personal interest expenses. What do I gain by deferring a mortgage payment? I’m not sure people are thinking this through.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Some folks have no money – period.. no rent, no mortgage… no car payment…. literally working paycheck-to-paycheck trying to keep the juggle balls floating…

        1. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          Many were in the position pre-COVID, too. Granted, the unemployment wave is huge.

        2. johnrandolphofroanoke Avatar
          johnrandolphofroanoke

          I tell you Larry some folks are mighty resilient. I pal of my is an I.T. man, laid off last Tuesday. On Wednesday he started a cleaning business and he is rolling strong.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            JohnR – some folks are born entrepreneurs waiting for the right circumstance to make their move! We will see some now! But many others are just folks who work for a living, paycheck-to-paycheck and they are in trouble now and the thing is – it’s no my opinion, it’s the opinion of the Feds, and Congress – that’s what the helicopter money is for. Small business is the big focus but small business totally depends on folks who are at the margins of the economy.

    2. idiocracy Avatar
      idiocracy

      I am pretty sure the IRS isn’t telling Va Dept of Taxation when you’ve filed your 1040. So you can file your VA taxes before the Federal ones.

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I obviously have not been close enough attention. How does a “refundable tax credit” work? And how does the $1,200 qualify as one?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Some tax credits can only reduce tax liability – any left over you don’t get.

      but refundable tax credits you get back as a refund.

      I did not think these $1200 things were a “credit” of either kind.

      My understanding is that they will also NOT be taxed as income next year.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Thanks. That was very helpful.

  4. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    If TMT is correct and you must have FILED a federal return on April 15 to file your state return on May 1, then I can see the complaint. Continuing my research and somebody who actually knows may weigh in. But looking again at the state website, it says often that the 180-day extension is automatic and if you pay at least 90% of your eventual liability by June 1, there is no penalty. I also note and must correct something – the first quarterly payment for 2020 is also extended to June 1.

    Via email I’ve also gotten push back on the problems created by the social distancing orders, which could prevent meetings with accountants. Understood, but again, the extension option has always been there. No questions asked.

    1. idiocracy Avatar
      idiocracy

      Why would Virginia know or care whether you’ve filed your Federal taxes before accepting your state return? I see no reason for it.

  5. johnrandolphofroanoke Avatar
    johnrandolphofroanoke

    One side effect of the last 100 days is a return to limited government. Our elected leaders will eventually restrain spending in ways they never would have imagined. Without spending our elected leaders will have difficulty exerted power and influence over the people. I wonder what limited government will look like in the days ahead?

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Let’s hope we see a return to limited government because the current bloated rotting corpse of government floating on an ocean of incompetence isn’t doing anybody any good.

  6. johnrandolphofroanoke Avatar
    johnrandolphofroanoke

    I suspect we might see our political figures writing letters like this one from Jefferson to Pictect in 1803.

    “We are endeavoring, too, to reduce the government to the practice of a rigorous economy, to avoid burdening the people, and arming the magistrate with a patronage of money, which might be used to corrupt and undermine the principles of our government.”

  7. This could help those who use tax preparers that they can’t visit right now. I have a friend at Westminster Canterbury who had an appointment in early April to get her taxes done. She is confined to the apartment and no one can visit. Maybe she can get it done by June, but maybe not (she might have to ask for an extension). I use freetaxusa and file online. I file both federal and state at the same time to get it over with but the only thing that freetaxusa sends to the state is the state return. IRS gets only the federal return. For those of us able to pay taxes and able to get a return filed, there is no advantage in delaying filing or paying . No point in incurring interest. Virginia can use the money now. First two estimated payments for 2020 are due April 15 and June 15.

  8. Atlas Rand Avatar
    Atlas Rand

    My CPA filed my federal taxes and I had my refund within a week and a half. The state wouldn’t accept online. Still haven’t mailed because I have no idea what the right postage is and have to go to the post office. Seems like they might really need the 300 bucks they owe me, maybe I should let them keep it ?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      If you can squeeze it into a #10 envelope, and you are not including a piece of sheet metal, it’s two stamps.

  9. The Federal estimated payments are due April 15 and June 15. According to the VA website here, the estimated dates are May 1 and June 15. If they changed the May 1 date, they haven’t updated the website:
    https://www.tax.virginia.gov/individual-estimated-tax-payments

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      The Northam team is not very good at communications. THAT we’ve established and it’s consensus. I’m reading this on the website to apply to both 2019 and 2020 payments:

      “Any income tax payments due during the time period of April 1, 2020, to June 1, 2020, will now be due on June 1, 2020. This includes individual and corporate income taxes paid to Virginia Tax.”

    2. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      I ignore those dates and send in an estimated payment whenever my tracking indicates it is owed since my business income varies from quarter to quarter and sometimes securities sales profits are involved.

      IRS has never questioned my timing … they just accept my money whenever I send it.

    3. Correction: the federal estimate tax for first quarter is due July 15 (after the second quarter due on June 15):
      https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/payment-deadline-extended-to-july-15-2020

  10. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Individuals can send in quarterly tax payments also, but they still have to file annually to reconcile, no?

  11. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I cannot fathom why anyone uses a tax preparer. With the Trump tax changes, they even bragged that 90% will not need even a Schedule A anymore. The most notorious form is the 1116 Foreign Tax credit form and for the vast number of people who need it, it’s because of RIC investments and the form reduces to a half dozen lines.
    There is NO excuse for not FILING by the 15th and 1st, especially with all the on everyone’s hands.

    1. dunning-kruger Avatar
      dunning-kruger

      The limited view from your ivory tower explains your inability to fathom many, many things

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Interesting, your name indicates you always do.

  12. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Since PAYMENT is delayed but not FILING, file anything, then file a correction later. Double their paperwork! That’ll learn ’em!

  13. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    https://www.richmond.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-april-9-2020-extend-virginias-tax-deadline/article_3408d74c-f6ab-54a7-b1d6-8e101d6140cd.html

    I just added in the text above a link to a Richmond TD editorial taking the contrary position, asking the upcoming veto session to delay the deadlines (and presumably waive interest.) It cites a letter from the CPAs that indicates one must calculate your federal AGI but says nothing about having to file the federal return first, or simultaneously.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The question is – how does the State verify the provided Federal ADJ. If they go to the IRS for that number and it’s not there, do they believe what the taxpayer provided?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Isn’t the IRS prohibited from disclosing taxpayer information? Otherwise Trump,s returns would have been obtained by the State of New York long ago.

  14. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Virginia taxes START with the Federal Adjusted Gross. A lot of tax software
    automatically moves the Fed ADJ to the Va 760 and then finishes the return with Va-specific stuff.

    I do not know if you can start the Va 760 by itself and just key in whatever Fed ADJ you want on most tax software. I imagine it’s still possible to do a paper 760 form and just write down a Fed ADJ to start.

    Finally, if you do file the Virginia return – do they check with the IRS to see what your Fed ADJ is and if you have not filed Federal , does the state “believe” the number you provided for Fed ADJ?

    I think it is incumbent on the Virginia tax folks to provide guidance on this because if they don’t there is likely going to be a lot of snafus – that will have to be untangled downstream.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Oh, I agree on the guidance part. I don’t know the percentage who wait until the deadlines, but most individuals do not, and most large taxpayers and businesses have CPAs who are quite comfortable going the extension route. As with so many other things in this episode, this whole thing was political posturing. You still owe 100%, plus interest if you delay…..

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        gee, maybe this is the perfect opportunity to de-conform? 😉

  15. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    BTW, if you a REALLY a Virginia resident you would know the real reason why Virginia state websites and instructors are written the way they are. It’s because of a little known 1955 law that requires all State documents to be written by generational residents of Tangier or the Guinea Neck.

    If you don’t understand the humor in that, then pack up and go back to New York.

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