Dems Spike Dead-People-Don’t-Vote Bill

by Kerry Dougherty

Every once in a while – not often, rarely in fact – you see a common sense bill in the General Assembly and think to yourself, “No one could oppose this.”

That was the case with SB1422, a measure introduced by Virginia Beach State Sen. Jen Kiggans. She calls it her “Election Accuracy Bill.”

I call it the “Dead-People-Don’t-Vote Bill.”

It was quite simple.

The bill would require the State Registrar of Vital Records to send the Department of Elections a weekly list of people over the age of 17 who died during the previous seven days. Currently, this list is transmitted monthly.

The bill would also require the voter registrars to use this information to purge the names of the deceased from the voter roles.

Keeping voter registration lists current and accurate is a good thing, no?

Oh, and it wouldn’t be expensive to implement. The fiscal impact statement attached to the proposed bill said implementation would be routine and “would not require additional funding.”

What’s not to like?

Best of all, Kiggans claims that voter registrars across the commonwealth supported the measure to keep voter rolls clean, up to date and free of corpses.

I can see why. In 2019, 69,729 Virginians died. Assuming most of those were over the age of 17, that would work out to about 5,800 voter deaths a month. However, if the registrars received weekly reports, there would be a more manageable list of only about 1,340 names to purge every seven days.

State senators saw merit in the measure and it easily passed that chamber 34 to 5, on a bipartisan vote.

But then the proposal got to the House of Delegates, where it hit a huge partisan roadblock. The bill was tabled in the Privileges and Elections Committee along an almost 100 percent party-line vote.

The vote to scrap the bill – in this session, anyway – was 12 to 10. The dozen delegates who opposed to quickly sweeping dead people off the voter rolls were all Democrats. Only one Democrat joined the GOP committee members to vote for clean registration lists.

That was Shelly Simonds of Newport News, by the way.

With a cloud hanging over some results of the last mail-in election, every state should enact laws to bolster confidence in electoral outcomes.

Yet some Democrats in the House of Delegates like things just the way they are.

Bless their hearts.

This column is republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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59 responses to “Dems Spike Dead-People-Don’t-Vote Bill”

  1. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Certainly everybody who has died from COVID since last year will want to vote for the Democrats who tried to save them from the evil anti-science Republicans come November 2021. It is only fair….I’m sure the absentees are already printed and in a drawer somewhere.

  2. In private correspondence, I’ve been pushing back against the theory that the 2020 election was stolen. Stories like this don’t make my job any easier. What possible reason could House Democrats have for voting against this bill? Are they worried that Republicans want to suppress the vote of dead people? Come on, man!

    A third of the population is totally convinced that the election was stolen, and Virginia’s House Dems are unwilling to undertake this basic step to preserve the integrity of the voting process? Are they trying to make it look like Dems want to manipulate election results?

    Virginia’s Democratic governor wouldn’t let 200,000 Virginians in the senatorial district elect a representative in time to serve in the General Assembly this year… but they don’t want to purge dead people from on the voting rolls?

    Come on, man!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      They do not care what it looks like — their voters do not care so why should they? For that to be the 12-10 means it Came Down From On High.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    Was there a cogent argument against it? Was the Virginia Dept of Elections opposed?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Agencies do not take positions. The Governor takes positions. If Elections spoke, the Governor directed it. But Kiggans indicates the bill was not opposed.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Then I’m with them who support it. It makes perfect sense and more important, obvious safeguards need to be built in to the system to demonstrate that the elections are legitimate.

        Dumb for the Dems to oppose with no stated reason. Doing so,
        just empowers those that say the elections are rigged.

  4. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Both Parties need to support rules that protect eligible voters’ rights to vote and protect against ineligible voters from voting. Legitimate voters have a right not to have their votes diluted by illegal votes. If we could see agreement and action to protect these important rights, we could start toning down the animosity.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    “Virginia Republican sues own party over nominating process for top office

    A Republican state senator in Virginia who is mounting a campaign for governor has filed a lawsuit against her own party to prevent the GOP from using a nominating convention to select its candidates in this year’s races for governor and other statewide offices.

    Sen. Amanda F. Chase (Chesterfield), in a lawsuit filed Tuesday in circuit court in Richmond, argued that the Republican Party’s choice to hold a nominating convention — an in-person event in which only those delegates chosen by the party can participate — instead of a state-run primary would run afoul of pandemic-related decrees likely to still be in place that would prohibit such a large gathering.

    Chase suggested on Twitter that the GOP’s leadership was plotting an end-run around voters in selecting its candidates this year for governor, lieutenant governor and attorney general.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/amanda-chase-lawsuit-republicans/2021/02/09/15d1cf2c-6b24-11eb-9f80-3d7646ce1bc0_story.html

    if she wins the primary, does this just turn Virginia over to the Dems again?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Larry,

      It is amazing the number of GOP congressmen and politicians who tweeted, posted videos, and went on the major news channels on January 6 and begged Trump…

      Mike Gallagher, the only Republican in Wisconsin’s delegation to oppose the challenges to Joe Biden’s win, called on Trump to stop the protests in a video posted on Twitter. “Call it off, it’s over.” (Jan. 6).

      “Mr. President, get to a microphone immediately and establish calm and order. Now. And work with Capitol Police to secure the Capitol. It’s the last thing you’ll do that matters as President,” tweeted U.S. Rep. Chip Roy of Austin.

      There are more, you can find them.

      But here’s what to look for… most of them did NOT beg Trump to send in the Guard, the Army, or more police.

      They all ask him to “call it off” in words to that effect. There was no doubt that on January 6 they knew Trump was in charge of the riot.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        The moderate GOP is much more afraid of the voters who support Trump – than Trump and they’re right. Many of them will be primaried and gone and replaced with Amanda Chase types.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            He’s got it right. The Tea Party married the Christian Right and we’re off to the races… We’re gonna end up like Europe with two major Conservative factions and one of them won’t care about facts or realities.

  6. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Certainly everybody who has died from COVID since last year will want to vote for the Democrats who tried to save them from the evil anti-science Republicans come November 2021. It is only fair….I’m sure the absentees are already printed and in a drawer somewhere.

  7. In private correspondence, I’ve been pushing back against the theory that the 2020 election was stolen. Stories like this don’t make my job any easier. What possible reason could House Democrats have for voting against this bill? Are they worried that Republicans want to suppress the vote of dead people? Come on, man!

    A third of the population is totally convinced that the election was stolen, and Virginia’s House Dems are unwilling to undertake this basic step to preserve the integrity of the voting process? Are they trying to make it look like Dems want to manipulate election results?

    Virginia’s Democratic governor wouldn’t let 200,000 Virginians in the senatorial district elect a representative in time to serve in the General Assembly this year… but they don’t want to purge dead people from on the voting rolls?

    Come on, man!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      They do not care what it looks like — their voters do not care so why should they? For that to be the 12-10 means it Came Down From On High.

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    Was there a cogent argument against it? Was the Virginia Dept of Elections opposed?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Agencies do not take positions. The Governor takes positions. If Elections spoke, the Governor directed it. But Kiggans indicates the bill was not opposed.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Then I’m with them who support it. It makes perfect sense and more important, obvious safeguards need to be built in to the system to demonstrate that the elections are legitimate.

        Dumb for the Dems to oppose with no stated reason. Doing so,
        just empowers those that say the elections are rigged.

  9. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Both Parties need to support rules that protect eligible voters’ rights to vote and protect against ineligible voters from voting. Legitimate voters have a right not to have their votes diluted by illegal votes. If we could see agreement and action to protect these important rights, we could start toning down the animosity.

  10. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    The D senators who voted against this bill should be compelled to explain why. Constituents, fellow senators, and the media should not let them off the hook. With today’s technology, keeping rolls clean is not onerous task. Applying Occam’s Razor, the most compelling explanations is that even the dead deserve to be represented. Shameful!

  11. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    The D senators who voted against this bill should be compelled to explain why. Constituents, fellow senators, and the media should not let them off the hook. With today’s technology, keeping rolls clean is not onerous task. Applying Occam’s Razor, the most compelling explanations is that even the dead deserve to be represented. Shameful!

  12. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I dunno, if I had a job I could knock out in, say, 2 hours every month, and now I’m required to do it weekly for 1/2 hour? Guess it depends on how it screws up my usual work schedule.

    BTW, what’s the definition of “promptly” in the change? I guess that’s to prevent the registrar from saving up 4 weeks of reports and doing it on the old schedule.

    How about leaving it monthly and add the “promptly” to keep the registrar from saving up 6 months worth?

    So how many dead people have been caught voting in Virginia? Solving problems that are not.

  13. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I dunno, if I had a job I could knock out in, say, 2 hours every month, and now I’m required to do it weekly for 1/2 hour? Guess it depends on how it screws up my usual work schedule.

    BTW, what’s the definition of “promptly” in the change? I guess that’s to prevent the registrar from saving up 4 weeks of reports and doing it on the old schedule.

    How about leaving it monthly and add the “promptly” to keep the registrar from saving up 6 months worth?

    So how many dead people have been caught voting in Virginia? Solving problems that are not.

  14. AlongThePike Avatar
    AlongThePike

    In an alternate reality, this bill was passed in 2016 in Virginia, in 2019 a different Virginian named Kerry Dougherty died (no relation to this Dougherty) and this blog post is Kerry Dougherty railing about the incompotence of the Virginia government for removing HER voter registration when it was obviously a DIFFERENT Kerry Dougherty who died and railing against the Democrats for trying to take away her constitutional right to vote.

  15. AlongThePike Avatar
    AlongThePike

    In an alternate reality, this bill was passed in 2016 in Virginia, in 2019 a different Virginian named Kerry Dougherty died (no relation to this Dougherty) and this blog post is Kerry Dougherty railing about the incompotence of the Virginia government for removing HER voter registration when it was obviously a DIFFERENT Kerry Dougherty who died and railing against the Democrats for trying to take away her constitutional right to vote.

  16. LarrytheG Avatar

    The registrars need to be more accountable to citizens. They need to provide regular reports of how many voters added/registered, how many removed because they moved, how many removed because of death, etc.

  17. LarrytheG Avatar

    The registrars need to be more accountable to citizens. They need to provide regular reports of how many voters added/registered, how many removed because they moved, how many removed because of death, etc.

  18. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    I am not sure why they voted against it but I will note that there is a difference between voter roles and votes. I believe it is already illegal for someone to cast a vote for a dead person. Generally, Dems are going to oppose aggressive voter role purge legislation because it sometimes (through administrative errors or deliberate intention) leads to living legitimate voters being removed from the roles. So for me, unless there is a real issue with fraudulent votes being cast for the dead – something I’ve seen no evidence of to date – there is no reason to push for such aggressive voter role purging laws. In short, the dead are not voting and are not harmed if their names stay on the roles for a bit, only the living can be harmed by the bill.

    That is my take – I don’t know if that is the take of the Dems who voted against it but, if so, good for ’em.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      These are valid points. Unfortunately, there is not a record of why the House Democrats objected to the bill. I checked the video records. In the House committee meeting in which the Senate bill was considered, the Democrats swatted the bill away, saying they had already rejected an identical House bill earlier in the session and were rejecting the Senate bill for the same reasons.

      The House bill was HB 1578, which was defeated in subcommittee on a vote of 3-2. Unfortunately, there is no archived record of that subcommittee meeting on that date. I checked for other meetings that day and the videos were available. I am assuming there was some sort of glitch with that particular video.

      1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Clever devils aren’t they?

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          It’s always interesting how the video recording screws up at the most convenient time, isn’t it?

  19. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    I am not sure why they voted against it but I will note that there is a difference between voter roles and votes. I believe it is already illegal for someone to cast a vote for a dead person. Generally, Dems are going to oppose aggressive voter role purge legislation because it sometimes (through administrative errors or deliberate intention) leads to living legitimate voters being removed from the roles. So for me, unless there is a real issue with fraudulent votes being cast for the dead – something I’ve seen no evidence of to date – there is no reason to push for such aggressive voter role purging laws. In short, the dead are not voting and are not harmed if their names stay on the roles for a bit, only the living can be harmed by the bill.

    That is my take – I don’t know if that is the take of the Dems who voted against it but, if so, good for ’em.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      These are valid points. Unfortunately, there is not a record of why the House Democrats objected to the bill. I checked the video records. In the House committee meeting in which the Senate bill was considered, the Democrats swatted the bill away, saying they had already rejected an identical House bill earlier in the session and were rejecting the Senate bill for the same reasons.

      The House bill was HB 1578, which was defeated in subcommittee on a vote of 3-2. Unfortunately, there is no archived record of that subcommittee meeting on that date. I checked for other meetings that day and the videos were available. I am assuming there was some sort of glitch with that particular video.

      1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Clever devils aren’t they?

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          It’s always interesting how the video recording screws up at the most convenient time, isn’t it?

    2. The issue is enforcement: How do you prove who voted in the name of a dead person? Also, it doesn’t do much good to punish fraudsters after the fact if their fraud is allowed to stand. Keeping the voter rolls clean means if somebody shows up impersonating a dead person, the voter is flagged as not registered and only allowed a provisional ballot, which will then not be counted because the impersonator will not be able to prove eligibility at the county office.

  20. LarrytheG Avatar

    interesting reading:

    After hectic 2020 election, Virginia might change the way absentee votes are counted

    This year, the Democratic-led General Assembly has rejected several Republican proposals to tighten election laws, while preserving several policy changes lawmakers enacted last year on an emergency basis like ballot drop boxes and looser rules for absentee voting.

    But another significant election bill has drawn bipartisan support, one that would make it easier for political parties and nonpartisan data analysts to track geographic voting patterns amid a massive increase in absentee ballots.

    https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/02/10/after-hectic-2020-election-virginia-might-change-the-way-absentee-votes-are-counted/

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Block the Vote.

      BTW, if you forget the frequency change, what this bill does is make the striking of the dead uniform over all registrars. With the changes they have to use the data. Currently, they only have to have access. And, they must purge “promptly”.

      As it is, a registrar isn’t required to use the data, and/or purge regularly.

  21. LarrytheG Avatar

    interesting reading:

    After hectic 2020 election, Virginia might change the way absentee votes are counted

    This year, the Democratic-led General Assembly has rejected several Republican proposals to tighten election laws, while preserving several policy changes lawmakers enacted last year on an emergency basis like ballot drop boxes and looser rules for absentee voting.

    But another significant election bill has drawn bipartisan support, one that would make it easier for political parties and nonpartisan data analysts to track geographic voting patterns amid a massive increase in absentee ballots.

    https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/02/10/after-hectic-2020-election-virginia-might-change-the-way-absentee-votes-are-counted/

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Block the Vote.

      BTW, if you forget the frequency change, what this bill does is make the striking of the dead uniform over all registrars. With the changes they have to use the data. Currently, they only have to have access. And, they must purge “promptly”.

      As it is, a registrar isn’t required to use the data, and/or purge regularly.

  22. LarrytheG Avatar

    I’d be in favor of specified standards for registrars and auditing.

    1. idiocracy Avatar

      That would be a welcome change from the fine Virginia tradition of “making s*** up as you go along”.

  23. LarrytheG Avatar

    I’d be in favor of specified standards for registrars and auditing.

    1. idiocracy Avatar

      That would be a welcome change from the fine Virginia tradition of “making s*** up as you go along”.

  24. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    It doesn’t matter. Not anymore. Trump has taught the Republicans that if they lose, or are losing in the run up to the election, cry “fraud”.

  25. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    It doesn’t matter. Not anymore. Trump has taught the Republicans that if they lose, or are losing in the run up to the election, cry “fraud”.

  26. LarrytheG Avatar

    Amanda Chase: ” A convention is a rigged process”.

    😉

    1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
      Bill O’Keefe

      I hate to agree with Chase–Senator Wackado–on anything but she is right. Conventions over primaries are a rigged process.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        And if she loses the primary? Or, the election? Do you really expect Trump-in-Heels to not cry “fraud”? Violence comes to Richmond! Well, yet again.

  27. LarrytheG Avatar

    Amanda Chase: ” A convention is a rigged process”.

    😉

    1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
      Bill O’Keefe

      I hate to agree with Chase–Senator Wackado–on anything but she is right. Conventions over primaries are a rigged process.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        And if she loses the primary? Or, the election? Do you really expect Trump-in-Heels to not cry “fraud”? Violence comes to Richmond! Well, yet again.

  28. LarrytheG Avatar

    “Virginia Republican sues own party over nominating process for top office

    A Republican state senator in Virginia who is mounting a campaign for governor has filed a lawsuit against her own party to prevent the GOP from using a nominating convention to select its candidates in this year’s races for governor and other statewide offices.

    Sen. Amanda F. Chase (Chesterfield), in a lawsuit filed Tuesday in circuit court in Richmond, argued that the Republican Party’s choice to hold a nominating convention — an in-person event in which only those delegates chosen by the party can participate — instead of a state-run primary would run afoul of pandemic-related decrees likely to still be in place that would prohibit such a large gathering.

    Chase suggested on Twitter that the GOP’s leadership was plotting an end-run around voters in selecting its candidates this year for governor, lieutenant governor and attorney general.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/amanda-chase-lawsuit-republicans/2021/02/09/15d1cf2c-6b24-11eb-9f80-3d7646ce1bc0_story.html

    if she wins the primary, does this just turn Virginia over to the Dems again?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Larry,

      It is amazing the number of GOP congressmen and politicians who tweeted, posted videos, and went on the major news channels on January 6 and begged Trump…

      Mike Gallagher, the only Republican in Wisconsin’s delegation to oppose the challenges to Joe Biden’s win, called on Trump to stop the protests in a video posted on Twitter. “Call it off, it’s over.” (Jan. 6).

      “Mr. President, get to a microphone immediately and establish calm and order. Now. And work with Capitol Police to secure the Capitol. It’s the last thing you’ll do that matters as President,” tweeted U.S. Rep. Chip Roy of Austin.

      There are more, you can find them.

      But here’s what to look for… most of them did NOT beg Trump to send in the Guard, the Army, or more police.

      They all ask him to “call it off” in words to that effect. There was no doubt that on January 6 they knew Trump was in charge of the riot.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        The moderate GOP is much more afraid of the voters who support Trump – than Trump and they’re right. Many of them will be primaried and gone and replaced with Amanda Chase types.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            He’s got it right. The Tea Party married the Christian Right and we’re off to the races… We’re gonna end up like Europe with two major Conservative factions and one of them won’t care about facts or realities.

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