Dems Block Bill to Maintain Safe and Effective Classrooms

by James C. Sherlock

I have written earlier about a Democratic bill in this recent General Assembly with broad Democratic support that did not pass.

Let’s look at another bill that did not pass, this one from a Republican, and with broad Republican support.

Article VIII. Section 1 of the Virginia Constitution requires the General Assembly to “seek to ensure that an educational program of high quality is established and continually maintained.”

This bill, HB 1461, was an attempt to carry out that responsibility.

It required the Department of Education to establish, within its regulations governing student conduct, a uniform system of discipline for disruptive behavior and the removal of a student from a class. The bill included criteria for teachers to remove disruptive students from their classes:

  • It instituted a requirement for a teacher to remove a disruptive student from a class if the disruptive behavior is violent; or
  • If the student persisted in disrupting the class after two warnings.

It added a prohibition against holding a teacher liable for taking reasonable actions or utilizing reasonable methods to control a physically disruptive or violently disruptive student.  Every school board would be required to adhere to these provisions.

That was it.

The “ensuring an educational program of high quality” thing.

Every Democrat in both bodies voted against it.

It took those authorities away from school boards and granted them to the Board of Education to offer a uniform system for classroom discipline to:

  • protect teachers and students from violence and disruption in the classroom; and
  • protect teachers from getting sued for maintaining order.

The proposal did not apply to students with disabilities.

Republicans thought there have been enough tragic headlines related to failures of current systems of classroom discipline to justify the change.

Nothing about calling the police or anything else. Just maintaining order in the classroom.

Those votes were taken, as far as I can ascertain, without any Democratic member explaining the vote to kill it.

I checked, and there was no report on this bill in the Richmond Times-Dispatch. Another outlet, dcnewsnow.com, quoted a mother of a special needs child as saying before the votes:

Litton Tidd is still worried about the impact it could have because of how many students don’t have a formal diagnosis — especially Black students with autism. Studies show their diagnoses are typically delayed by three years.

Anyone who is yet to be diagnosed will not be protected from the punishments and this law.

It will be traumatizing. It punishes children for being autistic, ADHD, neuro-divergent, and other mental health conditions.

So, Ms. Litton’s signature issue is “undiagnosed Black children with autism.” A fairly specific diagnosis for something undiagnosed.

I would respond to Ms. Litton that removal from the classroom of violent and continually disruptive students is not done as punishment.

It is done first to preserve a safe and effective learning environment for the teacher and the rest of the students.

And it is done to identify children for testing by the school psychologist to determine if they are, say, autistic.

No matter their color.


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49 responses to “Dems Block Bill to Maintain Safe and Effective Classrooms”

  1. Guaranteeing a disruptive educational setting for the classroom is true equity for all.

    1. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Failing to acknowledge and wrestle with complexity when making law/policy does the same.

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Youse be mixing up. You are seeking equality not equity.

  2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    I met up with some of my old pals at Briar Woods HS yesterday. This bill would have resolved a number of lamentations I heard over dinner. Too bad. Common sense is not slick enough for our progressive minded education leaders.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      What lamentations? The teachers already have the right to remove disruptive students?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        I heard some doozies yesterday Eric. The kids know they have a full house and the teacher is stuck with a pair of twos.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          According to the text, the teacher’s rights would not have been changed one iota… their authority in the classroom is unchallenged in any manner.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          According to the text, the teacher’s rights would not have been changed one iota… their authority in the classroom is unchallenged in any manner.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Sure. Okay. Most of what I heard must have been made up. My apologies.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You can read the law as well as I can, James.

          3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I can spell my last name too Eric. But I can’t spell yours. Pigeon hearted I guess?

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Looks like you spelled “yours” perfectly fine to me… coo… coo…

          5. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Mr. Watchamacallit. That is my new nickname for you.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhynG2yZM5w

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Not made up, just wrongly remembered. They apparently didn’t use the authority they had correctly. Perhaps.

            Here’s a question. Were they all told at the same time? ‘Cause if you get three fishermen at the same table, by the time the third one speaks, you’ll hear a doozy or two.

          7. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            “Wrongly remembered?” Good lord, Nancy, you really are out of ammunition.

      2. VaNavVet Avatar
        VaNavVet

        Correct as that is the way it is currently happening! This was just another piece of unnecessary legislation which amounts to playing to the base.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          100% correct!

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I thought conservatives believed in small government and localities not being subject to directives from the central government in Richmond. Things seem to have changed.

    A teacher now has the authority to remove a student from the class. The teacher also has discretion. This bill would have limited that discretion.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      They are the party of least governance and they’ll pass as many laws as necessary to prove it.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Hah! Will Rogers would have like that one.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          WF Buckley would have been delighted by it.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Thanks. Good to see you again.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I have relieved you from double secret probation.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You got bored, admit it.

          3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I needed a break. I didn’t want to dislike you over a bunch of keyboard nonsense.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Hey, you’ll learn to type in time. It took me over 20 years before I used more than two fingers. My coworkers used to stare in amazement.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhc0Rl5_5Ps

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Nice deflection.

      3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Least governance indeed.

        See my response to Eric above about voters in crime-ridden urban hellscapes.

        You are far smarter than he, but it is a question for you to ponder.

      4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Says a man who cheered from the sidelines as Democrats from 2020-2022 rewrote every education law and regulation in Virginia. Give us a break.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Others are evolving.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You willfully ignore what is actually happening in deference to your theory of what could or should happen.

      Listen to Jay Whitehead, Dick. He was on the ground with the problem and speaks often today with current practitioners.

      You defend things on impulse that I think on reflection you would oppose.

      There are school boards who willfully ignore the best interests of their students in pursuit of theory and social acceptance. I could list all of them, but they are centered in Virginia’s post-industrial majority-minority cities and I have done so before.

      Jay Whitehead’s experience with a progressive school board in the richest county in America lead him to offer the comments he offers. I recommend you listen.

      You and I both suspect no active teacher not only in Loudoun, but also in the city of Richmond Public schools dare speak out. At least under his or her own name.

      Or their own name.

    3. Matt Hurt Avatar
      Matt Hurt

      When have conservatives ever rolled back government power?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Ouch! So they talk the game but do something else?

        Up until recently, I though Conservatives supported local elected governance to decide local issues – like how the schools would be operated.

        But now, we have conservatives like Sherlock actually advocating the polar opposite.

  4. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    This wouldn’t prevent a teacher from exercising his/her discretion to determine what is a) disruptive and b) adequate warning. Was the bird watcher in Central Park disruptive or the 911 caller? Is directly questioning a teacher’s facts disruptive? Is contradicting his/her opinion disruptive? My children have been in VA classrooms where ‘teachers’ openly touted Trump (individually) to captive youth audiences. Students who complained in class were punished. The ‘teacher’ was later removed. Did the student in my kid’s high school class receive adequate warning about their phone or did the teacher cross reasonable bounds by snatching it from the student’s hand (and should he/she really be indemnified for pulling the student’s hair as part of the altercation?) Note:all parties involved were white). Zero tolerance makes zero sense. I’d be happy to see schools develop and be held accountable for progressive discipline policies that have explicit guidelines spelled out based on both the severity of the offense(s) and the frequency of them but this legislation falls way short and is a sure fire way to exacerbate disparities.

  5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    First current law already provides that:

    “A. Teachers shall have the initial authority to remove a student for disruptive behavior from a class”

    They still do.

    This is one of the big changes:

    “B. Each school board The Department shall establish, within the regulations governing student
    45 conduct required by § 22.1-279.6, and each school board shall adhere to, a uniform system of
    46 discipline for disruptive behavior and the removal of a student from a class that includes:
    47 1. Criteria for teachers to remove disruptive students from their classes, including a requirement for
    48 a teacher to remove a disruptive student from a class if the disruptive behavior is violent and a
    49 requirement to implement a three-strike system for nonviolent disruptive behavior whereby a teacher is
    50 required to remove a student from a class if the student repeats or continues the nonviolent disruptive
    51 behavior after the teacher provides two warnings to the student;”

    So eliminate local school board control over schools (again) and stipulate a 3 strikes and you are out disciplinary program. Gee… where is the controversy…?

    Remember when BR used to bemoan “one size fits all” top down governmental requirements… I do…

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      It was an attempt by Republicans in the General Assembly to “ensure an educational program of high quality” as is their constitutional responsibility.

      Some local school boards have not been getting it done. Have they.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        You can justify usurping the voters any way you like, I suppose…

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Usurping the voters?

          Local voters in crime-ridden urban hellscapes who hated school and neither know not care what is best for their kids elect the people who control their local schools.

          Should the General Assembly of Virginia, with constitutional responsibility for quality educations, look away and sentence the children to their fates?

          Unfortunately we have to pick. I pick saving the children.

          A simple, and controlling question.

          Looking for your direct answer.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “…neither know not care what is best for their kids…”

            Are you saying only Conservative parents in nice neighborhoods know what is best for their kids? Maybe that is the VA Constitutional amendment you should be after.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Nice try. Look at the results.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Something like that, yes.

            Conservatism “cares” about those poor starving kids that liberals just pretend to care about…

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    The curious thing to me is the shift of Conservatives from a local governance perspective to a top-down autocratic approach that they used to be strongly against and, in fact, railed against such things when done under Democrats.

    I’d like for Sherlock to explain the rationale behind this shift.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Everything including the day of the week is curious to you, Larry.

      You attribute to me a “local government perspective” unattached to adverse outcomes without any link.

      Find one.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Conservatives in general right and hard right have traditionally argued against top-down govt and argued FOR local governance until recently with the advent of Trump and the MAGA movement.

        You seem to have joined that train to me so yes… curious indeed.

  7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    So if the Republican, top-down, one size fits all, disciplinary program had passed, what would have happened when (not if) a vocal child in say 2nd grade in a school district with few disciplinary issues gets animated about what is being taught (in a positive way) and disrupts the class a third time after been told to quiet down by the teacher. Let’s say the teacher has things completely under control and just wants to work on building the child’s self-control positively and in a non-punitive manner. The legislature, however, forces the teacher to act punitively and has taken away all their options to use discretion – by law. In what way is this an improvement over the authority already granted to the teacher under current law?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Your scenario is utterly fanciful.

      No teacher with “things completely under control” is going to eject a “positively” responding child from her classroom.

      Try something else.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        If the child is disruptive, you and your Republican legislators would give that teacher no other option.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      top-down, zero-tolerance, yadda yadda…

      that seems to be the Conservative thing these days. Local control has led to unions and liberals “corrupting” the process and the solution now is to win the State gov and GA then institute top-down reforms that cannot be corrupted by local liberals …

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