Delusion and Dogma in Virginia Tech’s Admissions Office

Juan Espinoza, Virginia Tech
Associate Vice Provost for Enrollment Management
and Director of Undergraduate Admissions.  Official photo.

by James C. Sherlock

Showing once again that people can convince themselves of anything, the Collegiate Times, Virginia Tech’s student newspaper, published on November 5th a story titled:

“Record low ACT scores not a concern for Virginia Tech admissions”

The opening sentences:

Virginia Tech admissions are unbothered by the lowest reported ACT scores in 31 years and say that there are other application metrics for determining college readiness.

“When you look at standardized testing as a predictor on how students will do once they’re in college as a standalone variable, it’s never been a very strong predictor,” said Juan Espinoza, director of undergraduate admissions at Virginia Tech. [Emphasis added.]

He is just wrong about that, as we will show.

We also note that

Juan led Virginia Tech’s international admissions and recruitment efforts.

So, he may be the man to see about why the PRC-run Chinese Students and Scholars Association is still on campus keeping tabs, and pressure, on Tech’s one thousand Chinese students.

Institutions need to make temporary adjustments to their admissions criteria to mitigate coronavirus impact on applications and enrollment.

They should not, as in the case of Tech’s admissions head, pretend they have found new facts in the process that make ACT and SAT unnecessary metrics in admissions.

The article quotes Mr. Espinoza on the value of a “holistic view”:

We do what are called non-cognitive attributes, essentially attributes based on the student’s characteristics or experiences that can be utilized, research shows, at a higher level than testing when being utilized as predictors on how they’re not only gonna do in college, but how they’re gonna do in life. [Challenge: diagram that sentence.]

And on the academic side, we pay strong attention to grades, which has been proven to be very good predictor and rigor of courses, so we like to see AP, IB (and/or) dual enrollment classes.  [Emphasis added.]

That is an example of truth by repeated assertion on the left. He does not provide specifics to support his “research shows” argument.

Let’s look at actual research.

In January of 2020, the University of California Standardized Testing Task Force, a faculty group unsuspected of right wing sympathies, completed a yearlong review of testing as a college admissions tool.

An Ed Source story on the comprehensive report reported the following findings:

  • Standardized tests are the best predictor of a student’s first-year success, retention, and graduation;
  • The value of admissions test scores in predicting college success has increased since 2007, while the value of grades has decreased, due in part to high school grade inflation and different grading standards;
  • In regard to equity, testing does not worsen disparities for under-represented minority applicants and low-income students; instead, large differences in high school grades and course-taking are responsible for much of the difference in admissions rates across groups;
  • If testing requirements were eliminated, it would deny automatic admission to 40% of African American students and more than 25% of low-income and first-generation students admitted to UC today.

But the inequity of standardized admissions tests remains leftist dogma.

They are unconvinced by actual studies, even from faculty as left as at UC, that show the claim to be not only false, but its implementation to be disadvantageous to minorities.

Bottom line. Mr. Espinoza publicly ignores facts about the value of standardized tests that do not fit his personal position and jeopardizes admissions of the most qualified minority applicants in the process.

He makes Tech look ridiculous by claiming publicly that the new freshman class’ lowest ACT scores in 31 years are of no concern.

He ignores the PRC unit that operates at Tech as a student organization.

Tech is a great school. If it wishes to remain so, it should consider whether its current admissions chief will serve it well going forward.


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48 responses to “Delusion and Dogma in Virginia Tech’s Admissions Office”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “They should not, as in the case of Tech’s admissions head, pretend they have found new facts in the process that make ACT and SAT unnecessary metrics in admissions.”

    Hmmmm… from the piece you cited:

    “According to a report by the National Association for College Admission Counseling, among 13 public and private institutions, college applicants who did not submit scores graduated in four years at a rate of 79% compared to applicants who did submit scores at 76.4%.”

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      13.

      Read the rest of that paragraph.

      “Although this study only includes data from a small cohort of institutions within a small time frame, it is undeniable that the influence and weight standardized testing has among colleges and universities is wavering in the light of equity and test availability.”

      Not because rejecting those standardized tests is proven better for minorities.

      So the data presented at that level are useless, but they are all the left can hang its hat on.

      Now read the report of the University of California faculty commission. The University of California system admits about 110,000 freshmen each year. They found that equity was better served by using ACT and SAT scores than not.

      Try not to further embarrass the dogma-bound DEI left, if that is possible. They hate the idea of standardized tests because they deny the possibility of objective standards.

      So don’t pretend they judge the usefulness of standardized tests, how should we put it, objectively.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      A high SAT and ACT score cannot be used as a standalone variable to predict whether the researcher will read the WHOLE article or just use “find on page” for the juicy part they want.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        See my response to your comrade Eric.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      13 “institutions”. Wow. No indication of the size or composition of the student bodies.

      Read the rest of that paragraph.

      “Although this study only includes data from a small cohort of institutions within a small time frame, it is undeniable that the influence and weight standardized testing has among colleges and universities is wavering in the light of equity and test availability.”

      “Equity”. Not because of proof, but because of dogma. Even though rejecting those standardized tests has been judged at the University of California to disadvantage minorities, especially the most qualified and best prepared minorities.

      So the data presented at that level you like are useless, but they are all the left can hang its hat on.

      Now read the report of the University of California faculty commission. (The University of California system admits about 110,000 freshmen each year.) That very liberal faculty found that equity was better served by using ACT and SAT scores than not.

      Try not to further embarrass the dogma-bound DEI left, if that is possible. They hate the idea of standardized tests because they deny the possibility of objective standards.

      So don’t pretend they judge the usefulness of standardized tests, how should we put it, objectively.

      1. Bubba1855 Avatar

        The ACT/SAT debate has been going on for years. Why can’t we have a little of both? Require all applicants to take either of the tests. But do not use the test scores for admission purposes. However, after the applicant has been admitted review their test scores. If and only if their scores are ‘low’, then have special one day seminars (before starting classes) for those entering freshmen before they start their classes to alert them to the fact that their ACT/SAT will mean that their first semester classes will be very difficult and that they will need to work/study harder than they have done historically in high school. Hey…warn them that college is not high school. just my 2 cents.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Some entering students are said to have to take some “catch-up”/remedial courses.

          What is that decision based on?

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            In our day, it involved entrance (departmental) testing, and previous courses and grades.

        2. DJRippert Avatar

          Why would you not take the standardized test scores into consideration for admission purposes?

    4. Graduation rates is not a good metric for measuring the usefulness of admitting students. Why? Because universities that do not require or look at standardize test create other firewalls to keep unqualified students out of the hard majors. These firewalls can include requiring SAT scores, requiring AP/IB scores of a certain range, requiring A’s in certain classes in high school like calculus and physics or require college administered tests in order to not be required to take pre-calculus.

      As the joke goes, someone who made a 550 on the SAT math test is not going to survive in a class where everyone else scored 750 or above. There is no amount of grit or hard work that is going to make up the difference.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Can’t argue with the conclusion but would ask how do kids get to a 750 sat math score?

        Is it purely according to their IQ and nothing else?

        Do some schools have the “path” available to all kids regardless of family
        income and education level?

        1. One of the questions that students should ask when applying to universities is who does one pick a major. Some schools will let anyone admitted major in anything. Some universities have separate admission requirements for particular colleges or schools such as the University of Michigan having a separate admission criteria for the College of Engineering. UC-San Diego has admitted to doing this with admitting by high school class rank but limiting what one can major in. Some universities do not actually have freshmen declare majors but just have a set of prerequisites for each department or program that one has to make certain grades in before one can considered a major in that program. An extreme admission policy is seen at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo where one is admitted to a particular major and if one wants to change majors, one has to transfer to another university.

          A good question for parents is how many of them understand how each university works and how it might affect their children. How many high school counsellors are capable of advising on this?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Good discussion. But a K-12 school also has to have a “path” to those courses so the counselors can recommend (or some parents will find out and make sure where they buy or rent has a school that
            has those STEM path offerings and resources. If parents cannot afford to live where the “good” schools are, and they end up with the less good schools are, their kids won’t have a viable path even if they
            have the IQ. Parents who have wealth and education level will assure their kids have a “path”.

          2. But that is one of the big complaints, That high schools and universities depend upon college educated parents to be the actual counsellors for their students.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s true. But what do K-12 schools do to cater to kids who don’t have such advantages? Schools
            in low-income neighborhoods typically do not offer the same “help” as schools in higher-income
            neighborhoods (where the parents advocate for such). In a low income school, there is far
            less “demand” for such resources than in higher income neighborhood schools.

            As you point out, if the kid did not get that Calculus class because it was not offered and no
            path to it to start with… too late by the time college is thought of.

          4. For the poor, they need to think is two generations. The first one do something that leads to a middle class job that can be done with a non-selective university such as nursing, allied health sciences, teaching, accounting, or criminal justice. Then those families children can strive for highly selective universities. However, there is a huge group in the middle that attend schools with mixed demographics that do a bad job in counselling students on what is achievable.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            Agree, if mom/dad can actually see that. Many are mired in low-income jobs with minimal education themselves and as a result do not live in a neighborhood with a “good” school with a “path” and good counselors. Those kids except for the rare ones are essentially doomed to repeat their parents paths.

            A kid with poor, uneducated parents in a “good” school has a much better chance of being recognized
            as able and capable and put on a better glide-path.

            One of the original premises of NCLB was the supposed ability of a parent to send their kids to a different school if the one in their neighborhood was “bad”.

            If you look at a county like Henrico – it has quite a few “bad” schools that are geographically near Richmond and quite a few “good” schools that are further out in the suburbs but as far as I know,
            even if the parents in the “bad” (low SOLs) schools wanted to , they could not transfer their kids
            to one of Henrico’s “good” schools. Essentially they are trapped.

        2. Can’t argue with the conclusion but would ask how do kids get to a 750 sat math score?

          Perhaps it is because they’re good at math…

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            how do you get good at math if your school does not offer a path to higher level math?

          2. Study and practice.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            unassisted? is there a path at your school to take the courses beyond basic to the higher level math
            classes? Teachers for those classes? If your school does not offer these classes, what do you do to
            get those classes?

          4. https://www.rvaschools.net/academics/curriculum-and-instruction/ap-4-all

            If Richmond can do it, any school system in the Commonwealth should be able to do it.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            I agree but they don’t. Some schools cannot afford personnel to teach classes that are small.

            I support regional schools that offer all kids in the region the opportunity to attend the regional school.

            but it also goes back to K-6 where some schools are terrible on the basic reading/mathSOLs… even more than a few elementary schools in places like Henrico, Chesterfield, Fairfax, etc… Kids that don’t get the basics don’t have much of a chance at places like Huguenot High School or any school with that level of instruction. Those kids are pretty much done before they ever get started.

  2. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    There is no reason, other than Marxist ideology, which actually has nothing to do with helping the “marginalized,” for not using SAT and ACT scores. They remain the best predictor for assorting, and they cannot measure something like willpower or determination, nor can the stupid essays in the “holistic” reviews, which are truly impossible to do with any certainty…unless your goal is to recruit a bunch of sufficiently allied children to turn into Marxist adults to “SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY!!!!!” (by destroying it)

  3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    High tuition and one’s ability to stroke the check is the true admissions test, much to VPI’s delight.

  4. Wahoo'74 Avatar

    Look into UVA as well. They have been actively recruiting students from mainland China for over 2 decades. These are not “shopkeepers” kids but rather the sons and daughters of the Politburo, senior military, and billionaire power class.

    Our daughter had one as a roommate her 1st year. Both parents were generals in the Chinese army. The girl admitted she had someone write her UVA admissions essay and take her SAT’s. She was basically let in with minimal objective admissions criteria.

    The kid was a nightmare, physically assaulted our daughter when she thought she was being maligned on a Facetime phone call our daughter had (she wasn’t), and the Dean refused to expel the Chinese girl from the dorm room….much less UVA. That was in 2010. I’m sure it’s gotten worse.

    Follow the money and see how many tens of millions UVA gets from Communist Chinese controlled entities like the PRC controlled Chinese Students and “Scholars” (sic) Association.

    This is not international student “diversity.” It is VA state universities taking money from our sworn foreign policy enemy, selling their academic soul to the devil.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      probably very true… and I bet they use TicTok!

  5. DJRippert Avatar

    ACT / SAT are the only consistent, quantitative measures available to admissions offices. GPAs are inconsistent and recently inflated.

    I can understand colleges and universities wanting both GPAs and standardized tests.

    However, ignoring the standardized tests seems counter-productive.

    The idea that the wealthy can achieve higher scores on the standardized tests through tutoring is a stretch. The best test prep is Khan Academy, which is free. Meanwhile, wealthy students can get tutoring in each and every class they are taking.

    I suspect that colleges and universities don’t like the use of standardized tests because it makes them accountable to a reasonably consistent standard. For example, when applicants from one part of Virginia get accepted to UVa with lower standardized scores than applicants from other parts of Virginia – UVa has some explaining to do.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I think one can argue that all is fair in love and war and if a rich kid can get enough personalized tutoring and other “help” that you can’t argue with merit – no matter how it is achieved.

      The SAT/ACT are an accurate measure of merit even if some got the resources to do
      better at it than others.

      The other side argues that if someone has the ability to succeed at College but they lacked the resources to make them competitive against those who did have resources – and with assistance, the less wealthy can succeed also, should they be offered than opportunity if other factors are considered?

      The graduation rate at UVA is 94%.

      Does that mean that some receive extra help and assistance to get them to succeed?

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Yes they do. And significant resources are offered to bolster the graduation rate, as well as there are lots of meaningless courses to get by with. I would venture most graduate, even the so-called smart ones, with very little of value as to education, just a piece of paper that used to signify something. The course catalog should be cut in half. This would also help solve the housing affordability “crisis” in Charlottesville…
        Ian Baucom refers to the kids who need extra help as “under flourishing.” You can’t make it up.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          I’m betting the legacy admissions and sports teams get the extra “flourishing” they need for sure, right?

          Many of the kids who get to UVA don’t have higher IQs, they just have had a lot more schooling
          help in k-12 on their way to UVA.

          Given two kids with equal IQs, one rich and one poor – how do we assure both have equal access to
          the resources they’ll need to be “ready” for college?

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – if you actually knew anything, rather than repeating the propaganda you are fed to burp up mindlessly.
            Last year, UVA gave me what SAT info it had for the recent admissions. This year, UVA refused to cooperate. I am sure the order came from the top.
            What last year’s data showed was that “legacy” admissions were not preferential as those offers had mean SATs right in the mean of their racial classifications.
            Meanwhile, the SATs showed significant tilting of the field, mainly for blacks.
            Just happened, right? Totally by “chance,” right?
            Except maybe we’d get a mathematician who’d look at those stats and say it was 6 standard deviations or more from the norm…because it was and is intentional racial discrimination.
            How do we “ensure” “equal access”? You don’t. You can’t. And money does not mean success. Sometimes it ensures failure. Life is tough. But if you want to ensure better access to resources Larry, why don’t you advocate for society to greatly discourage out of wedlock births? (Asking for a friend)

            Also, I have looked at the UVA course catalog. A joke. So many worthless “studies.” In fact, I am pretty sure the kids who got shot (by a known wolf who maybe got off because he was “marginalized”) were taking a pretty worthless class to get the good grades for the athletes to not be overly challenged. In fact the play may have been part of the shooter’s anger, but when all you teach is hate America…you might fill the kids with hate. See the “palestinians” you claim are so innocent…have you seen the post asking about what spices were used for the baked Israeli baby? Civilization or barbarism. Make your choice.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            re: ” Larry – if you actually knew anything, rather than repeating the propaganda you are fed to burp up mindlessly.”

            I think you’re projecting Walter… and you’re not good at it either but you do try hard!

            And there are good reasons why UVA or others would not give you data as they know you
            have an agenda and are not objective to boot.

            UVA has no trouble taking “sports” students and really no matter how unfit they are academically,
            right and gets them to graduate… even if most will never go on in professional sports, they got
            that important degree.

            So they can’t do that with others also? why not?

            “innocent”… let’s agree that using the word “all” for anything is probably not a good thing.

            SOME Palestinians are , no doubt, evil, but are all?

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – how many FOIAs have you done to UVA? How many FOIAs has UVA cited bogus exemptions to you on? How come UVA won’t even cooperate without FOIA? Isn’t it an “unequivocal” supporter of “free inquiry?” (It isn’t)
            I said nothing about athletics other than the fake course that seemed to be full of football players…
            UVA has plenty of other fake courses – totally worthless. That’s even bigger. Much bigger.
            Hey, what about the “good” Germans? And what about Trump saying there were good people on both sides? That was the end of the world, amirite? I mean we have to violate all norms and become a banana republic to “save our democracy!!!!” You don’t know what you are talking about, and like all Leftists have no consistent principles, except to repeat what the Party tells you to.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            I’ve done FOIAs. I am familiar with the process as well as how agencies do responses.

            If they know you and your activities and they see potential issues they will stonewall you. Real life.

            My point about athletics was how much “help” they were willing to give to help a kid get through
            the courses and graduate. Is it different for sports kids than non-sports kids?

            when you get to Trump and banana republic… etc.. you’ve gone off the rail again IMO and no
            sense responding to that gibberish.

            re: ” You don’t know what you are talking about, and like all Leftists have no consistent principles, except to repeat what the Party tells you to.” and this comment demonstrates your own intelligence… no question.

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Nice try – when Trump said “good people” you guys lied (as usual) and it was the end of the world. But your “some Palestinians” argument is a fallacy (what Lefties do!) – you may as well do the “some Germans” argument. Oh, and the Palestinians voted Hamas into power, so there is that…

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            just like some F O O L S voted Trump into power and would do it again? 😉 No, the fallacy is saying that ALL Palestinians deserve to be blamed for Hamas and none deserve humanitarian aid including children..

            On display right now with the righties…

          7. No, the fallacy is saying that ALL Palestinians deserve to be blamed for Hamas and none deserve humanitarian aid including children..

            On display right now with the righties…

            Please provide a list of names.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            watch the news, read BR.. plain sight!

          9. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Germans, Larry? Sherman’s march to the sea? Why can’t you denounce evil? (oh…I forgot about abortion and child mutilation…NVM)

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            oh go on won’t you… I do see evil but I don’t think you want to know! 😉

          11. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Then denounce Hamas. And its charter demanding extermination of the Jews – from the river to the sea. The group the Palestinians voted into power. And have kept in power.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            I have, repeatedly which you are too busy writing nonsense to actually read apparently.

            Not all the Palestinians voted them into power no more than other nations voted the Taliban or
            ISIS into power. It happens in those countries like it would here with a populist leader promising
            Authoritarian rule.

            And it’s STILL no good excuse for KILLING citizens and children in far greater numbers than
            your own losses… If you want “evil” – that’s evil also IMO. Too many think IDF is ENTITLED to
            kill citizens for the same reasons you are implying. It’s morally wrong to do that and it has
            lost Israel support all over the world.. and it will get worse if they don’t get back to a better place
            on humanitarian help.

    2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Follow the money. The non profit College Board is flush with cash. They made 1.6 billion in 2021 and 1.1 billion in 2022. Though the SAT/ACT is not the cash cow it once was. The PSAT and the AP Exams cover the losses and some. In Fairfax and Loudoun the PSAT is administered to every 10th and 11th grader, no charge. Who pays? You, the taxpayer.

  6. Northern Virginia in the news. The hotel they mention in this article is in Arlington near where my son lives.

    Strip Clubs, Lewd Photos and a Boozy Hotel: The Toxic Atmosphere at Bank Regulator FDIC

    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/fdic-toxic-atmosphere-strip-clubs-lewd-photos-boozy-hotel-12c89da7

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Nice neighborhood.

  7. Dennis Dubberley Avatar
    Dennis Dubberley

    Yeah, well, I went to Tech in the mid-1970s with very unimpressive SAT scores but still graduated in 3 years and finished 19th overall in the College of Engineering. There’s not a test that’s been invented that measures motivation to excel. I liked Tech so much I went and got 2 master’s degrees afterwards.

  8. LonerWoof Avatar

    The competence of the admission head notwithstanding, you lost all credibility when you said “on the left.” Not every issue is partisan, and your desperate divisiveness makes it impossible to take you seriously. Standardized tests are reviled by teachers who continually remind us that those test scores don’t accurately reflect their students aptitude. Still, we all know VT admissions goal is to make much as much money as possible and for decades have let in more freshmen than they can house just to get more tuition income, knowing that most of the subpar students will drop out. That’s not something any top tier university does, and it’s how killers and psychopaths end up on campus. Too bad this article couldn’t give more insight, it’s too busy trying to be a hit job.

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