According to the websites of the State Compensation Board and the Department of Corrections, the starting salary for a correctional officer or deputy sheriff is $44,100.
Based on information submitted to the Department of Education by local school divisions, the starting salary for teachers in 34 school divisions in school year 2022-2023 was lower than $44,100.
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136 Chesapeake City Public Schools 51,500 54,700 57,900
136 Chesapeake City Public Schools 60,615 64,304 6.09% 67,609 5.14%
Got a 10% raise here. You’d have to ask why it went down in VB. If the cost of living is less, why pay NoVA prices for Patrick or Henry County (as an example)?
The starting salaries for Patrick and Henry counties are above $41,400, but not by much. The comparison I was making was not with NoVa teacher salaries but with deputy sheriffs and corrections officers.
Different type of job, different type of skills.
CHESAPEAKE lost a lot of VERY experienced teachers and administrators last year. Why is that?
Comes down to multiple factors. Believe it was posted on one of the Rebellion articles.
I found no such articles.
No question good school teachers deserve great compensation. I’m not sure what the point is in comparing their salaries to correctional officers, they also deserve good compensation for a tough job many people would not consider taking.
In addition, are the teachers working a 12 month year, or is it something like 10 months? It’s been many many years since I spoke with a teacher about their work schedule. But back then they had summer months off to travel, work elsewhere, take classes to work to advance degrees, etc. So if summers are off that should be a factor.
In a job where you don’t take work home, the standard work year is 40 hours times 50 weeks (two weeks off.) No teacher worth anything works only 2,000 hours during that 10 month contract period. Four decades of working nights, weekends and holidays never earned my wife $1 of OT. A pile of things to grade was a standard feature of the kitchen table or TV room.
I do not disagree with you on that point, as I said, good employees deserve good pay. I will say that in my years of being in school, and raising 3 sons, there were quite a number of fantastic school teachers. There were also some who were lazy, and some who were flat out strange (thankfully these were in the minority)…….. Just like any other profession I guess.
I’ll second what Haner is saying. Anyone who thinks a teacher comes home and has nothing else to do with respect to his/her school job.. needs to get themselves better acquainted with that job!
New California law raises minimum wage for fast food workers to $20 per hour, among nation’s highest
Based on a 40 hour work week, that’s $41,600.
And what could teachers be paid, if non-teaching staff ratios (staff per teacher) were reduced to what they were say 25 years ago?
Virginia actually has the data so one can see
for themselves!
https://www.apa.virginia.gov/APA_Reports/LG_ComparativeReports.aspx (Exhibit C6)
The other thing to notice about “administration” is that it includes “attendance”, truancy, etc as well as
health care services. It’s as low as 2% in some schools and as much as 10% or more in other schools.. usually the larger ones.
The other costs for schools is transportation, food service and maintenance and operation.
If you just count “instruction” with the number of students it can actually fall to less than 10K per student, even in a county like Henrico.
How is “instruction” defined for purposes of the report you posted?
The actual categories are in the Va Code but so far cannot find how it is defined explicitly
“Article 5. Treasurers; Accounts.
§ 22.1-115. System of accounting; statements of funds available; classification of expenditures.
The State Board, in conjunction with the Auditor of Public Accounts, shall establish and require of each school division a modern system of accounting for all school funds, state and local, and the treasurer or other fiscal agent of each school division shall render each month to the school board a statement of the funds in his hands available for school purposes. The Board shall prescribe the following major classifications for expenditures of school funds: (i) instruction, (ii) administration, attendance and health, (iii) pupil transportation, (iv) operation and maintenance, (v) school food services and other noninstructional operations, (vi) facilities, (vii) debt and fund transfers, (viii) technology, and (ix) contingency reserves.”
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title22.1/chapter8/
And localities can choose to fund the schools on a categorical basis so the funds cannot be
moved between the accounts without approval.
It’s a good question. When I took the dollars in the “instruction” category from a couple of counties and divided by the number of teachers from “google” I get per teacher numbers like 150K. Weird, because if you divide the same instruction money by the number of students, it’s around 10K.
Thank you.
FYI. In the salary survey, DOE defines “classroom teacher” as including counselors and librarians. The APA report that Larry showed does not define what is included in the “instruction” category. I could not find any APA guideline as to what “instruction” included. I would assume, subject to further research, that it includes classroom teachers, counselors, and librarians.
Thank you, sir.
How about doing away with nonproductive and counterproductive staff like Chief Equity Officers making an annual salary of $232,074.
I see no positive contribution whatsoever.
Is Fairfax County Public Schools’s chief equity officer hiding its student reeducation training from parents?
I thought we established last week these reports are not trustworthy. 😉 My wife left the public schools 15 years or so ago. Not much change in 15 years….
Teacher. Prison guard. Nah, too easy….
They are obviously not trustworthy regarding averages, but starting salary should not be difficult.
Demand equal pay for equal jobs.
More data to ponder:
Nardos King E
Chief Equity Officer
Fairfax County Public Schools
Annual Wage – $232,074
Average Annual Wage for Fairfax County Public Schools – $70,897
I WOULD like to see her position description and performance goals.
She was promoted to Chief Woke Officer after screwing up her previous job.
King’s promotion to equity officer perplexed many parents for other reasons as well. In 2010, as the principal of Mount Vernon High School in Alexandria, Virginia, she was embroiled in scandal after placing a controversial ad in the school’s yearbook for a product she sold. “Body Magic,” the ad claimed, would help with weight loss and improve sex lives — a strange message for a principal to proliferate to her teenage students. In a community forum following the incident, a wise resident foreshadowed what was to come, “They won’t fire her. They’ll promote her to a position at Gatehouse.”
you won’t find me in much disagreement with the criticism as well as booting her.
got any thoughts on this one:
The topic of the above article is salaries in support of K12 public schools in Virginia. I don’t understand the jump to Harvard, which is a private institution of Higher Education in Massachusetts.
If Claudine Gay were to come up within a discussion that relates to another BR article, I will probably reply.
good enough then.
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