by James C. Sherlock

UVa and Harvard are the two campuses most often cited by the national and world press as homes to the worst actors after October 7.

It is easy work.

I posted a column on Saturday making a series of recommendations for actions by the University of Virginia to protect its Jewish community and rid itself of those that threaten it.

That was my response to the infamous support of UVa-funded organizations for the slaughter of innocents in Israel by Hamas, a group designated by the United States as a terrorist organization.

Kill Jews “by any means necessary” they wrote.

Read the column.  I named them.

Now I have been told by the Executive Director of Hillel at UVa, Rabbi Jake Rubin, that the President’s office and law enforcement “have been incredibly responsive, helpful, and present during this difficult time.”

Good start, and Virginians thank them for it, but it does not answer the questions about enforcement of state and federal laws.

So, there is more to do.

Federal law. Federal antiterrorism statutes in play for the participants in the “by any means necessary” threats in support of Hamas are the province of the National Security Division of the Justice Department and the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Virginia, Christopher R. Kavanaugh.

Mr. Kavanaugh also serves as Chair of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee (AGAC)’s Terrorism and National Security Subcommittee and Co-Chair of the Domestic Terrorism Executive Committee. So, that investigation and prosecution would seem to be in good hands.

But Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI) protects students of any religion from discrimination, including harassment, based on a student’s actual or perceived:

  • shared ancestry or ethnic characteristics; or
  • citizenship or residency in a country with a dominant religion or distinct religious identity

UVa’s Office of Civil Rights does not enforce Title VI, but advises:

If you believe you have been discriminated against in a program of the institution which receives federal financial assistance, you should immediately contact the federal agency providing such assistance.

In this instance, that is the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice. Jewish students may call 202-514-3847. I hope they will.

State Law. There are several to choose from.

Commonwealth’s Attorney jurisdiction.  “By any means necessary.” We note that the Code of Virginia prohibits the specific activity in which those University-funded organizations publicly engaged.

§ 18.2-46.5. Committing, conspiring and aiding and abetting acts of terrorism prohibited; penalty. [Emphasis added.]

C. Any person who solicits, invites, recruits, encourages, or otherwise causes or attempts to cause another to participate in an act or acts of terrorism, as defined in § 18.2-46.4, is guilty of a Class 4 felony.

Class 4 felonies in Virginia are punishable by 2 to 10 years’ imprisonment.

Attorney General Miyares, who promises action, may wish to ask Charlottesville Commonwealth’s Attorney Joseph Plantania, a committed progressive who conducts a prosecution clinic at UVa Law, what he plans to do concerning apparent violations of that law.

I am not sure that Mr. Plantania is the best choice to prosecute members of a school for which he works.

University jurisdiction. But we note that Code of Virginia § 23.1-805 C. requires each school’s threat assessment team to establish procedures for interim suspension of individuals whose behavior may present a threat.

Perhaps there an excellent reason to delay interim suspension while investigating those who engaged in public abetting of a designated terrorist organization.

If so, we should hear it from President Ryan and the Rector of the Board of Visitors.

DEI. Perhaps they can also explain what their massive DEI bureaucracy did to stop — or assist in — the support of antisemitic terrorists. Show us the records of DEI efforts against antisemitism.

Good luck. Don’t look to the Equity Center page. I searched for the term antisemitism and came up blank. There are nine faculty members in the Equity Center leadership. By way of explanation, they include Nancy Deutsch from the School of Education. They are obsessed with race.

Don’t look to the DEI Committees and Employee Resource Groups. Probably not helpful.

Jewish Faculty. To my great regret I am reminded of the experience of Martin Niemöller under the Nazis.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. In the 1920s and early 1930s, he sympathized with many Nazi ideas and supported radically right-wing political movements.

But after Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, Niemöller became an outspoken critic of Hitler’s interference in the Protestant Church. He spent the last eight years of Nazi rule, from 1937 to 1945, in Nazi prisons and concentration camps.

Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for his postwar statement, which begins “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…”

Source: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum – Holocaust encyclopedia.

Many prominent Jewish academics at UVa, the majority people of the left, supported the transformation of that university into a bulwark of progressivism.

Many actively helped divide the world into oppressed and oppressors, with no room for actual people who live daily lives divorced from politics, striving to raise their families and be successful in this world. They, including Jewish babies, are defined accurately as individuals, not groups.

But individuals did not fit the “narrative.”

Now progressive Jewish faculty are actively threatened by monsters they helped educate in that dangerous worldview.

And no, they did not deserve it. They are Americans. As such, they are as privileged in their views as any of us. They are guilty only of under-thinking the end game of what they were doing.

They never saw it coming.

The Dean of UVa Law.  I am waiting to hear from the most senior Jewish member of the academic faculty, UVa Law School Dean Risa L. Goluboff.

The Dean is a legal historian and a civil rights lawyer who is the recipient of every progressive award in her profession. She also proudly and publicly identifies herself as a member of a Charlottesville area synagogue.

Read her May 2023 paper Charlottesville” as Legal Historyabout the Unite the Right riots in 2017.

She wrote “the moral asymmetry in the causes of the two groups pervades my sense of everything that occurred.” Many share that sense about both 2017 and 2023.

She also wrote that she saw the law there only in perspectives of race and free speech. She deferred an antisemitism perspective to others.

2023 was pure antisemitism. Race as she defines it did not intersect.

I have just written to ask her for comment on the latest inhumanity published and shouted in the shadow of the Rotunda.

The actions of the student organizations of Hamas sympathizers did not ask for a cease-fire, they encouraged further attacks on Jews by any means necessary.

The horrible and stark difference:

  • The university community joined in counter-protests to the antisemites in 2017;
  • They largely stood silent or joined with the Hamas attack celebrants in 2023.

Bottom line.

Two countries account for 81% of the 23 million people worldwide recognized as Jews or of sufficient Jewish ancestry to be eligible for citizenship in Israel under its Law of Return: the United States with 51% and Israel with 30%.

The left, which dedicated itself after the 60’s in dominating education, has done its work thoroughly in our K-12 schools and colleges.

A Harvard/Harris poll showed this week that nearly half of college-student-age responders side with Hamas against the “oppressors.”

Now there are people of a self-proclaimed Jew-murdering bent on the UVa campus. In a target-rich environment.

It is time for the adults, if enough can be found, to put a stop to it.

 


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109 responses to “Crime and Punishment in Charlottesville”

  1. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Ouch!
    While you get Risa Goluboff awake to see the travesties, maybe she could also take a look at the gag orders on Trump, the baseless civil trial, the treatment of the J6 defendants, the censorship by the government of people and organizations who disagree with the Biden admin, mandating an EUA product, characterizing parents and churches and abortion protesters as terrorists….you know civil rights, which she is supposedly expert in!
    Oh, and maybe Plantania and UVA’s Innocence Project (I have no problem with the Innocence Project, even though it only seems to care about certain kinds of criminals – racist! I believe unlawful, unfair convictions are wrong. I think over-charging is wrong.) can get Derek Chauvin’s railroaded murder conviction overturned now that the truth about the autopsy of St. George Floyd, martyred hero of the Left, has come out. Won’t be holding my breath…

  2. These actions of the pro Hamas nitwits has finally brought to the surface the wide and deep currents of Jew hatred among college students faculty, and admin as well as the public in general. Now to clean this mind virus from the campuses and America so it truly NEVER AGAIN happens!

  3. Warmac9999 Avatar
    Warmac9999

    Islam has a 1400 year history and they do not deviate from its intention of world dominance by any means necessary. Those who would reform it are silenced.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      They don’t represent Islam or any Muslims. They represent radical extremists and terrorists.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      They don’t represent Islam or any Muslims. They represent radical extremists and terrorists.

      1. John Fisher Avatar
        John Fisher

        There was a considerable amount of cheering across the Arab world at news of the Hamas atrocities. We can debate how many support this but it is clear it is NOT a small minority. To thing otherwise is to be blind to reality.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          There are 1.8 bullion Muslims worldwide, I think limping them all together is the error. There was a vast majority who were not celebrating it.

        2. I have Arab friends and relatives who are Muslim.

          Yes, we need to be realistic about Hamas sympathizers, but also appreciate what it’s like to live in the Middle East.

          If students attending college in the US are indoctrinated and intimidated, what do you think it’s like growing up in the Middle East?

          Check this out:

          https://blogs.wellesley.edu/announcements/2023/10/20/my-reflections-in-this-painful-time/

    3. There are problems within Islam to be sure, but as you have admitted, there are also reform minded Muslims who risk a great deal to speak out and advocate change.

      https://clarionproject.org/

      You do the reformers no service by painting with such a broad brush.

      I have friends and relatives who are Muslim.

      1. Warmac9999 Avatar
        Warmac9999

        Your first phrase is a very callous disregard of the consistent abuses by Muslim populations in virtually every nation in the world including America. Conquest is not assimilation. And if the Muslim majority finished off the Saturday people, they would move onto the Sunday people and then the rest of the week people including themselves. Islamic supremacy, not white supremacy, is a worldwide problem.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          The fourth largest country in the world is Islam… what have you heard about it relative to your other thinking about Muslims?

          1. Larry, do you know the difference between a country and a religion?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            I know of countries that are populated AND successfully governed by Muslims… yes… do you?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            I know of large countries that are populated AND successfully governed by Muslims… yes… do you?

          4. Warmac9999 Avatar
            Warmac9999

            Indonesia is 10% Christian and 90% Muslim. This is consistent with much of the Muslim majority countries. Over time, non-Muslim populations in Muslim countries are driven into decline.

  4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Kill Jews “by any means necessary” they wrote.”

    No, they did not.

    “Now progressive Jewish faculty are actively threatened…”

    No, they are not.

    “…they encouraged further attacks on Jews by any means necessary.”

    No, they did not.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Here is the original letter.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2023/10/Our-statement-on-the-recent-events-in-Palestine.-freepalestine-Instagram.pdf

      Here is independent validation of that text. https://www.instagram.com/p/CyJA2dIrM_N/

      Here is another contemporaneous link to it. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uva-student-organization-facing-backlash-after-stating-attack-on-israel-makes-them-hopeful-for-the-future-of-palestine/ar-AA1i40o0

      Breaking news: UVa “protesters made headlines again today (Oct 25). https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/uva-pro-palestinian-walkout/

      “They chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a slogan that calls for the destruction of Israel. Many wore masks to avoid identification.”

      Ignorance in this case is not forgiven.
      SJP hates Jews.

      Jewish on the UVa campus wrote a letter to the Cavalier Daily acknowledging that the were scared. The words of the SJP letter validated their fear.

      First rule of holes: Stop digging, Eric. Or join the hate Jews chorus.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Here is the original letter.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2023/10/Our-statement-on-the-recent-events-in-Palestine.-freepalestine-Instagram.pdf

      Here is independent validation of that text. https://www.instagram.com/p/CyJA2dIrM_N/

      Here is another contemporaneous link to it. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uva-student-organization-facing-backlash-after-stating-attack-on-israel-makes-them-hopeful-for-the-future-of-palestine/ar-AA1i40o0

      Breaking news: UVa “protesters made headlines again today (Oct 25). https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/uva-pro-palestinian-walkout/

      “They chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a slogan that calls for the destruction of Israel. Many wore masks to avoid identification.”

      Ignorance in this case is not forgiven.
      SJP hates Jews.

      Jewish on the UVa campus wrote a letter to the Cavalier Daily acknowledging that the were scared. The words of the SJP letter validated their fear.

      First rule of holes: Stop digging, Eric. Or join the hate Jews chorus.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Here is the original letter.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2023/10/Our-statement-on-the-recent-events-in-Palestine.-freepalestine-Instagram.pdf

      Here is independent validation of that text. https://www.instagram.com/p/CyJA2dIrM_N/

      Here is another contemporaneous link to it. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uva-student-organization-facing-backlash-after-stating-attack-on-israel-makes-them-hopeful-for-the-future-of-palestine/ar-AA1i40o0

      Breaking news: UVa “protesters made headlines again today (Oct 25). https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/uva-pro-palestinian-walkout/

      “They chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a slogan that calls for the destruction of Israel. Many wore masks to avoid identification.”

      Ignorance in this case is not forgiven.
      SJP hates Jews.

      Jewish on the UVa campus wrote a letter to the Cavalier Daily acknowledging that the were scared. The words of the SJP letter validated their fear.

      First rule of holes: Stop digging, Eric. Or join the hate Jews chorus.

    4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Here is the original letter.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2023/10/Our-statement-on-the-recent-events-in-Palestine.-freepalestine-Instagram.pdf

      Here is independent validation of that text. https://www.instagram.com/p/CyJA2dIrM_N/

      Here is another contemporaneous link to it. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uva-student-organization-facing-backlash-after-stating-attack-on-israel-makes-them-hopeful-for-the-future-of-palestine/ar-AA1i40o0

      Breaking news: UVa “protesters made headlines again today (Oct 25). https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/uva-pro-palestinian-walkout/

      “They chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a slogan that calls for the destruction of Israel. Many wore masks to avoid identification.”

      Ignorance in this case is not forgiven.
      SJP hates Jews.

      Jewish on the UVa campus wrote a letter to the Cavalier Daily acknowledging that the were scared. The words of the SJP letter validated their fear.

      First rule of holes: Stop digging, Eric. Or join the hate Jews chorus.

    5. full wording was:
      “Students for Justice in Palestine unequivocally supports Palestinian liberation and the right of colonized people everywhere to resist the occupation of their land by whatever means they deem necessary.”

    6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Here is the original letter.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2023/10/Our-statement-on-the-recent-events-in-Palestine.-freepalestine-Instagram.pdf

      Here is independent validation of that text. https://www.instagram.com/p/CyJA2dIrM_N/

      Here is another contemporaneous link to it. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uva-student-organization-facing-backlash-after-stating-attack-on-israel-makes-them-hopeful-for-the-future-of-palestine/ar-AA1i40o0

      Breaking news: UVa “protesters made headlines again today (Oct 25). https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/uva-pro-palestinian-walkout/

      “They chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a slogan that calls for the destruction of Israel. Many wore masks to avoid identification.”

      Ignorance in this case is not forgiven.
      SJP hates Jews.

      Jewish on the UVa campus wrote a letter to the Cavalier Daily acknowledging that the were scared. The words of the SJP letter validated their fear.

      First rule of holes: Stop digging, Eric. Or join the hate Jews chorus.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Here is the original letter.”

        And no place in the letter does it say what you say it says.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8ea7b100fbd41413bfa7a0e37b643d7a6214293174ee5ddca7ed7607ab06755.png

          so how does this translate into what Sherlock and many right wing websites are claiming?

          Is there another document or letter?

          If this is all there is , why isn’t it tantamount to lying about it, gaslighting… ?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I think some could call it libel… 😉

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Only if it involves space lasers.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            WHY would someone lie so blatantly about something like this? Individuals here in BR and how many conservative websites?

            Seems to me, more and more of this kind of thing is happening these days.

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            So now I am lying? Ignorance is no excuse, Larry.

            See my response to Nancy above and answer each question. Or don’t.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            I’m asking WHY someone WOULD lie about this when the document itself does not say
            what is being claimed? Can you respond on that?

          6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Again, the lying accusation.

            My response is to ask that you answer individually the questions I asked Nancy. Then we can examine your interpretation of that sequence of events.

            You have seen mine.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            Answer my question first. Why would someone LIE about the specifics of this? Am I wrong to think it sounds a little like Israel is justified in killing Palestinian civilians, women and babies in return for the loss of theirs from Hamas?

          8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Lie?

            Those are my reasonable and widely shared interpretations of events, some of which I described above to Nancy. It is an interpretation shared by the University police.

            SJP unequivocally cheered Hamas, a terrorist organization that exists for the destruction and murder of Jewish people. The day after the slaughter they claimed in writing that the attack made them “hopeful for the future of Palestine”.

            For proof of the validity of my interpretation, I refer you to yesterday’s events at Cooper-Union in NYC. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cooper-union-barricades-jewish-students-in-library-as-pro-palestine-protest-turns-violent/ar-AA1iSCF2

            Next, you ask “Am I wrong to think it sounds a little like Israel is justified in killing Palestinian civilians, women and babies in return for the loss of theirs from Hamas?” The answer is yes, you are wrong and you know it.

            Now, I ask you again to answer my questions to Nancy. But I am pretty sure you won’t.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar

            You referenced a document and claimed it said certain things.

            Now you say it is your “interpretation”.

            re: ” SJP unequivocally cheered Hamas, a terrorist organization that exists for the destruction and murder of Jewish people. The day after the slaughter they claimed in writing that the attack made them “hopeful for the future of Palestine”

            can you provide a reference for this or is this also an “interpretation”?

            Your rhetorical questions by the way can be answered with equally rhetorical answers -like asking how many babies are blown apart in Gaza ?

          10. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            The reference is the letter. Read it attached. It will clearly be for the first time. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1bb7d12879e825c21b8e63e408c389f723ea2ebdd6dc42348ed26db030228e53.png

            They were not rhetorical questions, Larry. Answer them.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            I read it , it does not contain the words you claimed it did. Your words were untrue IMO.

            This is a bad habit on your part and you make it worse with your deflections and insults.

            You need to do better.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            I read it , it does not contain the words you claimed it did. Your words were untrue IMO.

            This is a bad habit on your part and you make it worse with your deflections and insults.

            You need to do better.

          13. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            From the letter:
            “by any means necessary.”

            Written the day after the slaughter of babies, is that an endorsement Larry?

            “In an unprecedented feat for the 21st century, resistance fighters in Gaza broke through the illegitimate border fence, took occupation soldiers hostage, and seized control of several Israeli settlements”

            Is that the extent of what Hamas did Larry? Took Israeli soldiers hostage?

            .”We stand in solidarity with Palestinian resistance fighters.”

            Do you think that is in reference to anyone but Hamas, Larry?

            I’d say don’t let that dissuade you. But I know it won’t.

          14. LarrytheG Avatar

            let me ask.. are the Palestinian babies being slaughtered also?

          15. Larry, are you trying to say the IDF is kidnapping infants, children and women and murdering them as Hamas did? Because you know that’s as dirty an untruth as possible. Hamas is responsible for not allowing civilians to evacuate and is using them (and has been using them) as human shields.

          16. LarrytheG Avatar

            Nope. I’m saying they get killed just as surely by bombing and other weaponry.

            I’m NOT defending Hamas at all. But what I AM saying is that if the response to Hamas
            ends up killing innocent children then what have we accomplished?

            The civilians are told to evacuate to the South , how? There is no practical way to do that.

            When you kill civilians, you make enemies and you create more Hamas as well.

            We need to hunt down every Hamas and give them justice , no question, but killing
            other civilians, women and kids won’t get you the justice you say you seek.

          17. It has been my experience that some on this site pose questions, followed by more questions…

            But do not answer the questions posed to them.

          18. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You mean like this…?

            “My response is to ask that you answer individually the questions I asked Nancy.”

          19. Keep reading. Mr. Sherlock addressed numerous questions and challenges. Which were then followed by more questions.

          20. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I see a lot of lashing out – very few questions answered…

          21. Warmac9999 Avatar
            Warmac9999

            There is no end with the trolls. The answer is never accepted as the intent is never to accept the answer no matter how obviously correct. Listening to their constant distortions of reality eventually end up in injury and death caused by confusion. Israel fell into thinking that trolls had a point – and now real war has become necessary.

          22. Hamas is for all practical purposes the same as ISIS. A Palestinian state at this time would quickly become another ISIS like territory. Gaza has proven that.

            I visited Gaza prior to when it was handed over to the Palestinians. It was vibrant, and could have been wonderful. Hamas destroyed it. They would do the same to the West Bank.

            At some point, maybe the Palestinians will be capable of governing their own state. We aren’t there yet.

          23. LarrytheG Avatar

            The question is how to help them get there without “occupying” their country and instituting what some believe is essentially apartheid.

          24. Warmac9999 Avatar
            Warmac9999

            There is no reason to presume that the Palestinians can ever govern themselves. They have given into the Islamic hatred of Jews and they will continue to do so. If there were any reformists among the Palestinians, they are long gone. Islam is a curse to the world, not a blessing.

          25. LarrytheG Avatar

            Might want to check out Indonesia with respect to Muslims and Islam.

          26. Warmac9999 Avatar
            Warmac9999

            Indonesia was governed by an authoritarian dictatorship. Is that your point?

          27. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “It is an interpretation shared by the University police”

            According to who?

          28. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            The Executive Director of Hillel at UVa, who I quoted as thanking the police for the extra protection. But you would have had to actually read the article to glean that information.

          29. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Oh, I read your “article” alright. You simply wrote:

            “Now I have been told by the Executive Director of Hillel at UVa, Rabbi Jake Rubin, that the President’s office and law enforcement “have been incredibly responsive, helpful, and present during this difficult time.””

            Which is a far cry from:

            “round-the-clock protection to Hillel at UVa”

            Or from evidence that University police agree with you that they were threatening Progressive Jewish faculty or that they wrote “kill Jews by any means necessary”.

            But even if the Rabbi told you that and somehow you forgot to tell us, I would prefer a statement directly from University police before stating what their beliefs are. What was their reply when you asked them for comment?

          30. Warmac9999 Avatar
            Warmac9999

            From what I am reading, they are completely ignoring context. Sort of like a jury who finds a murderer not guilty because there is no body.

          31. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Geography time for Larry. From the Euphrates river to the Mediterranean Sea…Where does that leave the Jewish residents of the land which is properly called Israel?

            But here we have the perfect example of why no one should waste time with Larry – in the face of undeniable evidence of evil from the people and policies he supports, Larry will never admit or see it and just mindlessly parrot the party line.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Apparently, if the reader infers then the writer must have implied.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s a tradition in BR though!

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Spot on…

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Not cute any more Nancy.

            Eric is a lost cause. I don’t care what he thinks.

            You are a bit smarter.

            What do you see as the symbolism of the use by SJP of the picture of the bulldozer breaking through the fence on Oct. 6 to make way for the killers of women and children?

            What is your interpretation of that use of “by any means necessary” in that context on the day after Jewish babies were cut from their mothers’ wombs and slaughtered in front of them?

            Why do you think Jewish students would send an open letter to the Cavalier Daily admitting that they were afraid?

            What is your interpretation of the fact that the University Police have undertaken to provide round-the-clock protection to Hillel at UVa?

            What do you make of the fact that Hamas is declared a terrorist organization by your government and that SJP is out celebrating their slaughter of innocents?

            How do you interpret the SJP rally chants of “From the River to the sea”?

            Take a moment.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            And not beyond view in the comments is “Go IDF”?

            It must be wonderful to take an issue so complex and boil it to its essence so quickly.

            Again, and likely to be censored again, to which dead baby are you referring? The one decapitated by a knife forged in Gazan, or by a shard from a bomb made in America?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            “24 October 2023 – Over the past 18 days, the Gaza Strip has borne witness to a devastating toll on its children, with a reported 2,360 fatalities and a reported 5,364 injuries due to unrelenting attacks, or more than 400 children reportedly either killed or injured daily.”

          6. Reported by Hamas?

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            “Reporting that 2,360 children have been killed in less than three weeks, UNICEF called for an immediate ceasefire and sustained and unimpeded access for humanitarian assistance”

          8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            A notable lack of answers to my questions. Maybe you aren’t smarter than Eric.

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            And you think you are?

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Maybe they’ll understand the ADL’s condemnation, but I don’t think they will.

        https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/students-justice-palestine-sjp

    7. E t HT: full wording was:
      “Students for Justice in Palestine unequivocally supports Palestinian liberation and the right of colonized people everywhere to resist the occupation of their land by whatever means they deem necessary.”

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I don’t see the word “kill” in there, or the phrase “kill by any means necessary.”

        1. DJRippert Avatar

          Resistance by any means clearly infers “killing” – especially in the immediate wake of the Oct 7 atrocities.

          Capt Sherlock should have been more clear that he was inferring rather than quoting but the inference is fair.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Absolutely. See the speeches and writings of Malcolm X or Louis Farrakhan.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          “somehow” it “translates” ?

        3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Nor does it say “kill Jews”. Nor is there any threat to Jews at UVa by even the most right wing reading of the letter as Sherlock states.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Call the University Chief of Police and tell him to stand down his dedicated protection of Jews on that campus.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I suspect that the University Chief of Police will act when there is a law that has actually been broken… see the FBI guidelines I posted for you previously for details…

        4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Denial.

          Of the clear meaning of a statement made by SJP the day after the slaughter of Jewish babies.

          How about that Holocaust thing?

          Just another misinterpretation?.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            So vengeance is justified then?

          2. Stopping the ongoing existential threat of Hamas is not vengeance.

            “The first duty of the Government is to afford protection to its citizens.”

            Additionally, the eradication of Hamas is also in the long-term interest of the Palestinians. The money and resources that have been given to Palestinians over the years, including those in Gaza, could have produced a vibrant society. Instead, it has been diverted to building tunnels, making rockets and supporting the lavish lifestyles of leadership.

          3. Ayelet Shaked is an Israeli ex-politician. In Israel, there are consequences for such talk.

            I have shown you where the Palestinian Authority openly advocates the killing of Jews for religious reasons. That’s okay with you?

          4. DJRippert Avatar

            Of course vengeance is justified. Ask Osama Bin Laden or any of the Nazis tried at Nuremberg.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Or, maybe you’re just particularly bloodthirsty?

        5. This is who and what is being supported. Read it. SJP supports a religious movement and religious war.

          The PA Ministry of Religious Affairs posted guidelines for mosque preachers on Thursday instructing preachers what content they should include in their Friday sermons. The most horrific part of the instructions was a quote from a Hadith (Islamic tradition attributed to Islam’s prophet Muhammad) that teaches that the End of Time, the Redemption of humanity, is contingent on Muslims killing and eventually exterminating all Jews:

          “The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, and the rock or a tree will say: ‘Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him’; except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.”

          [PA Ministry of Religious Affairs, Facebook page, Oct. 18, 2023]

          https://palwatch.org/page/34677

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Thanks for the confirmation.

        1. SJP says “resistance fighters” “seized control of several Israeli settlements.”

          And here’s what that looks like as described by one of the “resistance fighters” to his proud parents and family back in Gaza.

          Terrorist son: Hi dad, I’m talking to you from [Kibbutz] Mefalsim, open my WhatsApp and see all the killed people. Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!

          Father: Allahu Akbar! May Allah protect you.

          Terrorist: Dad, I’m talking to you from a Jew’s phone, I killed her and killed her husband, with my own hands I killed 10!

          Father: Allahu Akbar.

          Terrorist: Dad, 10 with my own hands! Dad open WhatsApp and see how many I killed, dad… Dad, I’m inside Mefalsim, dad I killed 10! 10! 10 with my own hands, dad! Their blood is on my hands! Honestly, 10 with my own hands.

          Mother: May Allah bring you home safely.

          Terrorist: Dad, go back to WhatsApp now. I want to give you a livestream.

          Mother: I wish I was with you

          Terrorist: Mom, your son is a hero. Kill, kill, kill! Kill them! …

          Terrorist’s brother: Mahmoud, where are you?

          Terrorist: I’m inside Mefalsim. I killed 10, Ala, 10 with my own hands! I’m talking to you from a Jew’s phone.

          Terrorist’s brother, Ala: You killed 10?

          Terrorist: Yes, I killed 10, by Allah… I was the first [to get in] by Allah’s grace and help. Lift your head up dad, lift your head.

          Inside the [Jewish] town. See on WhatsApp the ones I killed!

          Terrorist’s brother, Ala: Come back, that’s it, come back.

          Terrorist: Come back? There’s no coming back! It’s victory or Martyrdom. My mother gave birth to me for the sake of the religion…

          Terrorist’s sister: Open your phone?

          Terrorist: Open my phone, see the killed people, how I killed them with my own hands!

          https://palwatch.org/page/34695

      3. Isreal did not occupy any land. The Jews have been there since the 13th century BC

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “It is time for the adults, if enough can be found, to put a stop to it.”

    By any means necessary?

    If I were a betting man, and I am, then my money would be where it has always been. The threat on American soil is from where it has always been, the Alt-Right.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Cute, the “by any means necessary” comment when I recommend simple enforcement of existing laws.

      “The threat on American soil is where it has always been, the Alt-Right?” Does that include 9/11?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Oh, so Muslims?

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        It does include Oklahoma and Maine just today.

  6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    We have just witnessed BR’s very own progressive hallelujah chorus twist themselves into knots asserting that the very well documented words and actions of Students for Justice in Palestine on the grounds of the University of Virginia somehow do not threaten Jews. “Lies”, they say.

    There is an excellent opportunity for them to continue their work. See SJP’s “The Written Resistance”. https://nationalsjp.org/twr

    SJP https://nationalsjp.org/about seeks “a political framework that addresses collective liberation from Palestine to the Rio Grande”.

    “We believe the struggle for a free Palestine is also the struggle for Black liberation, gender and sexual freedom, and a livable and sustainable planet. All pursuits for freedom, justice, and equality are materially connected and require us to struggle against state violence, colonialism, capitalism, and imperialism, in all of their forms.”

    Our own gaggle of progressives in the BR commentariat could not have said it better themselves. They should just signal agreement by a reference to “that SJP stuff” to shorten their commentaries.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      They want and are halfway to anarchy. I think the post George Floyd/Covid Era will be centered on a pushback against the Marxists.

      1. Misconstrued Nancy?

        Terrorist son: Hi dad, I’m talking to you from [Kibbutz] Mefalsim, open my WhatsApp and see all the killed people. Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!

      2. When politicians on the right make comments like that, they end up losing their jobs.

        Ayelet Shaked is no longer in public office in Israel.

        Steven King is no longer a representative in Congress.

        When will Rashida Tlaib be gone?

        https://twitter.com/MatthewFoldi/status/1717318572542743012

      3. Well?

        I demonstrated that Ayelet Shaked is gone.

        But leaders of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority openly advocate the killing of Jews all the time, and face no consequence. It’s because that’s who they are, and what “Palestine liberation” is really about.

        That’s who SJP supports and calls “resistance fighters.”

        Your efforts to show equivalence between Israeli and Palestinian leaders has not only failed, it actually demonstrates the stark difference between them.

    1. More than just nonsense.

      From the link above:
      “When they started banging on the door, my heart started pounding. I was crying. I think if the doors weren’t locked — I don’t know what would have happened,” the student, who asked to remain anonymous, told The Post.

      When people get violent, they need to be arrested. Period. I don’t care which side of what issue.

      “NYC seeing spike in hate crimes — with nearly 60% of acts targeting Jewish community since Hamas attack on Israel: NYPD”

      https://nypost.com/2023/10/24/metro/nyc-seeing-spike-in-hate-crimes-since-hamas-attack-on-israel-nypd/

  7. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Few of you will see this, but it is stunning to me nobody noted the irony of Bacon’s first post, saying UVA students had nothing to fear from mere speech, immediately followed by Sherlock’s post asserting (correctly I think) that any Jews in or around UVA had plenty to fear from the Hamas supporters.

    Then of course the various parties took opposite stances in the long useless comment strings, with the Lefties who had agreed with the speech suppressors upsetting Bacon, reversing and insisting those endorsing death to the Jews said no such thing. Anybody shouting “from the river to the sea” is no different than the SS death squads in 1941 engaging in their efforts at ethnic cleansing. Larry, Nancy, Eric — you are defending advocates of genocide. Shame.

    Wish I could get back the minutes I spent reading all this…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Are we? Or are you just plain wrong?

      My advocacy is against aerial bombing of a civilian population. My first word was “Power pays great tribute to reason when it stays the hand of vengeance.”. Take a guess where that’s from.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Apparently, if one is opposed to bombing and savaging a civilian population with women and kids, it means you are in favor of genocide and baby killing. Not surprised, this is the argument being advanced by some folk.

  8. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Few of you will see this, but it is stunning to me nobody noted the irony of Bacon’s first post, saying UVA students had nothing to fear from mere speech, immediately followed by Sherlock’s post asserting (correctly I think) that any Jews in or around UVA had plenty to fear from the Hamas supporters.

    Then of course the various parties took opposite stances in the long useless comment strings, with the Lefties who had agreed with the speech suppressors upsetting Bacon, reversing and insisting those endorsing death to the Jews said no such thing. Anybody shouting “from the river to the sea” is no different than the SS death squads in 1941 engaging in their efforts at ethnic cleansing. Larry, Nancy, Eric — you are defending advocates of genocide. Shame.

    Wish I could get back the minutes I spent reading all this…

  9. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    The apparent cooperation of the general public and Hamas in protecting the latter by using the former as shields seems inconsistent with the Geneva Conventions.

    Article 51(7) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides:
    The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

    Pursuant to Article 8(2)(b)(xxiii) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “[u]tilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts.

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