Chinese-American Parents Condemn Critical Race Theory

CACAGNY celebrating Chinese New Year in a Flushing, N.Y., parade in 2018.

by Asra Q. Nomani

This past weekend, I spoke at an online conference of CAPA-Fairfax County, a local chapter of Chinese-American parent groups mobilizing to defend merit-based education in the United States.

As some participants spoke in Chinese, I could make out some key phrases: “‘moral courage,” “public service,” and “Cultural Revolution.”

When it came my turn to speak, I told the Chinese-American parents: They can save America. After surviving the Cultural Revolution, they uniquely recognize the dangers to an ideology like critical race theory, the race-based philosophy that dismantles core principles in our society, such as the idea of the American Dream, replacing the idea of equality with the disingenuous notion of “equity,” and punishing Asian-American children for their advanced academics.

They cheered their potential role in the country that they love.

And now we see just that kind of moral leadership by another association, CACAGNY (​紐約同源會), the Chinese American Citizens Alliance Greater, based in New York, which published a letter yesterday denouncing critical race theory as “a hateful, divisive, manipulative fraud.” A member @queens_parents published the letter on Twitter, and it can be found here online at their website www.cacagny.org.

On Twitter, follow parent advocates such as Chien Kwok @Chien_Kwok, president Wai Wah Chin, and members, such as @ycinnewyork reveal great moral leadership standing up the dumbing down of gifted education in New York City. Kwok was one of the first people I contacted when we started organizing at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, against the divisive critical race theory activists who lobbied successfully to removed the merit-based admissions test, in their bid to reduce the number of Asian-American students at the school. We continue to fight them.

I’ve republished the full letter here so that you can be inspired to stand up with these parents for a simple hope: to challenge the divisive, bigoted and racist ideas of critical race theory and advocate for an America where children are valued for the “content of their character,” as Martin Luther King said, not the color of their skin.


February 23, 2021
CACAGNY Denounces Critical Race Theory as Hateful Fraud

Critical Race Theory (CRT) is a hateful, divisive, manipulative fraud.
CRT appears in our workplaces under the cover of implicit bias/sensitivity training. It infiltrates our schools pretending to be culturally/ethnically responsive pedagogy, with curricula such as the New York Times’ 1619 Project and Seattle’s ethnomathematics. Hate groups, with allies in politics, the press and education, pass CRT off as anti-racism and diversity, equity and inclusion, but CRT is exactly the opposite. From its very roots, CRT is racist, repressive, discriminatory, and divisive.

What is CRT?

Heavily influenced by such hate promoters as Marx, Lenin, Gramsci, Schmitt, Marcuse, Foucault and Freire, but with race struggle replacing class struggle, CRT’s main ideological dogmas are:

  • You are not a person. You are only your race, and by your race alone you will be judged. (1)
  • Justice is about equal rights, but Social Justice, or equity, is about equal outcomes. Only Social Justice matters; Justice does not. To achieve equal outcomes, forget equal rights.
  • All unequal outcomes by race — inequity for short — are the result of racial oppression.
  • All Blacks are oppressed and all Whites are oppressors. This is systemic: never ask whether oppression occurred, only how it occurred. Everyone and everything White is complicit.
  • If you are White and won’t admit you are racist, you are racist by implicit bias. To reduce implicit bias, you must self-criticize, confess to privilege, apologize to the oppressed race. (2)
  • Whiteness is belief in, among others: achievement, delayed gratification, progress, schedules and deadlines, meritocracy, race-blindness, the written word, facts and objectivity (they deny lived experience), logic and reason (they deny empathy), mathematics and science (until they are de-colonized and humanized). (3)
  • CRT suppresses dissent with cancel culture: publications withdrawn, college admissions rescinded, online presence wiped out, business relationships ended, jobs terminated. (4)
  • Today, the best-paid promoters of CRT are probably Robin DeAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi. Notable CRT critics include James Lindsay, Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Chris Rufo, Thomas Sowell.

CRT: Three Examples

In June 2020, the City of Seattle ran an anti-racism training session for the City’s White staff. The session began with instruction that all White people have a natural sense of racial superiority. The session then required participants to confess their complicity in a system of White supremacy, undo their Whiteness, be less White, and become accountable to Blacks in their every thought. (5)

In August 2017, a 12th grader at a public charter school in Nevada, William Clark, took a civics class that was required for graduation. In this class, students were told to declare their race, gender, etc. The class was then bombarded with material singling out Whites as racists who enjoy the privileges of an oppressive structure. Because he was identified as White, William was subsequently harassed by classmates, teachers and administrators. Escalating abuses followed, including bad grades from the class. William and his mother have since taken the case to Court. (6)

In January 2021, third-graders in a Cupertino, California, elementary school math class were told that they lived in a dominant culture of White, cisgender, educated Christians, and this culture was created to hoard power. The kids were then told to check themselves off on a list of victimization categories — race, gender, religion, family structure — to find out which categories made them oppressors, and which made them oppressed. A Chinese parent found out about this and organized parents to stop it. It reminded them of Mao’s bloody Cultural Revolution. The school later decided that the material was not grade-appropriate, but will still use it for older classes. (7)

What CRT Means for Americans of Chinese Descent

Chinese Americans are people of color and therefore start from the oppressed side of CRT’s binary. But as we overcome discrimination and achieve upward mobility, we are now White by adjacency. In New York City, Black Lives Matter rioters with CRT signs assaulted our rally supporting merit-based education. We have come into CRT’s crosshair.

Education is the main area where CRT attacked us. CRT, naturally, demands automatic preferences for Blacks in admissions to selective institutions and programs. That is unacceptable to us: such racial preferences come at the expense of our children, at the expense of academic standards, and at the expense of basic fairness.

For top colleges, CRT uses the ruse of multiple-criteria holistic admissions, which allows Harvard to reject Asians with better academic and extra-curricular credentials than those of admitted applicants. Despite never having met the applicants, Harvard admissions officers somehow conclude that Asian applicants lack integrity and courage — directly contradicting evaluations from interviewers who met the applicants, and from teachers who’ve known the applicants for months if not years. If smearing Asians this way isn’t hate speech, then what is? Call it diversity, equity and inclusion.

For top high schools and grade schools, CRT uses the scheme of lotteries to lower admission standards. Just lowering admission cutoffs isn’t enough; when cutoffs were lowered, too many Asians still passed the cutoffs and had to be admitted. Lotteries does the trick: with the luck of the draw, lotteries let lower-qualified Blacks skip over better-qualified Asians. Lotteries have been proposed or are used against Americans of Asian descent in Boston, San Francisco, Northern Virginia, and here in New York City, all under the banner of Social Justice and equity.

One way or another, CRT wants to get rid of too many Asians in good schools. Asians are over-represented. CRT is today’s Chinese Exclusion Act. CRT is the real hate crime against Asians.

Some of CRT’s hate speeches against Asians are obvious: Too many Asians and Stuyvesant doesn’t look like the City need no explanation. They can also be subtle. For example: Stuyvesant is not diverse. Since when is it not diverse for a school to have dozens of languages spoken at home, all major world faiths practiced, most cultural experiences inherited, from ancient civilization-building to rise and fall of empires, to slavery, colonization, revolution, and diaspora?

Even if CRT dismisses all this and reduces everything to just looks — do all Asians look alike to them?

Another trend that should concern us is CRT’s coming collision with immigrants. Black militancy was always receptive to the view that immigrants steal jobs and resources from Blacks, but the bigger irritant is immigrant values. Arriving with little more than their human capital, immigrants are grateful to be here, work hard and educate their children hard, and believe in the American dream under the Constitutional guarantee of equal rights. Most infuriating for CRT is that immigrants, including Blacks from West Africa and the Caribbean, are making real progress. When CRT eventually clashes with immigrants, we will find CRT’s racism and hate against us ratcheted up another notch.

We Have to Start Fighting Back!

We need to recognize CRT through its fraudulent packaging, call it out, resist. Parents need to watch for CRT in schools, talk to each other, and organize, like the Cupertino Chinese parents.

Regardless, parents need to speak with their kids to anti-indoctrinate (or un-doctrinate) them at home. This needs to start early, because CRT indoctrination also starts early. Don’t trust schools and teachers blindly.

On the political front, President Trump issued an executive order to ban CRT indoctrination at the Federal level. President Biden rescinded that order upon taking office, so our best hopes now rest with the states, several of which have proposals to ban CRT indoctrination. New York legislators don’t lean that way, so we must vote to elect state legislators who represent our views on CRT!

On the legal front, several CRT lawsuits have been filed, relating to freedom of speech, compelled speech, and hostile work environment. Parents should keep abreast of these cases and seek counsel when appropriate — the brave people filing these lawsuits are regular folks just like us!

CACAGNY 紐約同源會
Chinese American Citizens Alliance Greater New York PO Box 130024
New York, New York 10013
www.cacagny.org


Footnotes:

• When race intersects with other victimization categories, e.g. gender, race is always primary.
• Public struggle sessions in schools and offices are sometimes called courageous conversations.
• This list proves beyond any doubt CRT’s shocking bigotry and utter condescension against Blacks.
• When cancel culture is paired with racial hyper-sensitivity, outcomes can be farcical. That’s what got a popular business communications professor suspended over the Chinese filler 那個, 那個.
• Black staff weren’t invited to anti-racism training because it is impossible for Blacks to be racist.
• Also in Court is Dave Flynn, coach at a Massachusetts school. He was fired after he complained to the school about similar Black Lives Matter CRT material in his daughter’s 7th grade class.
• When the Berkeley, California School District used similar CRT material on older grades, they had to suspend it because anti-White bullying got out of control.

Asra Nomani is a journalist living in Northern Virginia. This column is republished with permission from her Substack account, Asra Investigates.


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46 responses to “Chinese-American Parents Condemn Critical Race Theory”

  1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Nah…. the voters have spoken and we’re all on the progressive train now… nationally and in Virginia.
    Everyone should quit complaining and accept this as our future. If you push back you will be branded as an extremist or worse.
    If you just boldly give up your privilege to the oppressed it won’t take long until the Utopia flourishes! They promise!
    (And Asians I suspect if you push back you will be vilified as traumatized white supremacist sympathizers)

  2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Nah…. the voters have spoken and we’re all on the progressive train now… nationally and in Virginia.
    Everyone should quit complaining and accept this as our future. If you push back you will be branded as an extremist or worse.
    If you just boldly give up your privilege to the oppressed it won’t take long until the Utopia flourishes! They promise!
    (And Asians I suspect if you push back you will be vilified as traumatized white supremacist sympathizers)

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    The question is who will the Asians trust to look out for their interests ?

    “Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety
    As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.”

    ” As the coronavirus upends American life, Chinese-Americans face a double threat. Not only are they grappling like everyone else with how to avoid the virus itself, they are also contending with growing racism in the form of verbal and physical attacks. Other Asian-Americans — with families from Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Myanmar and other places — are facing threats, too, lumped together with Chinese-Americans by a bigotry that does not know the difference.

    In interviews over the past week, nearly two dozen Asian-Americans across the country said they were afraid — to go grocery shopping, to travel alone on subways or buses, to let their children go outside. Many described being yelled at in public — a sudden spasm of hate that is reminiscent of the kind faced by American Muslims, Arabs and South Asians in the United States after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html

    So where is all this hate coming from ? The “woke” or folks who identify themselves as NOT “liberals” , but far right folks who identify with the GOP?

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Sometimes it helps to actually read the article at hand …

      “Chinese Americans are people of color and therefore start from the oppressed side of CRT’s binary. But as we overcome discrimination and achieve upward mobility, we are now White by adjacency. In New York City, Black Lives Matter rioters with CRT signs assaulted our rally supporting merit-based education. We have come into CRT’s crosshair.”

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        which is total bunk compared to the reality of what is actually happening to Asians in the real world – well documented.

        This is all about the right trying to manufacture an issue where they think they can win over Asians and the point is the Asians are under much larger and widespread physical and verbal assault almost every day form the usual bigots on the right.

        The Asians are going to leave the Dems to join the Trumpsters who will “save” them? 😉

    2. Do love how you leave out the bigotry of the ‘Progressive’ crowd. The riots/demonstrations over the past year from BLM/Antigua have been ripe with inconvenient underreported anti-semitism, and anti any POC/women’s voice not 100% in lock step with their goals. Also evident are patronizing, condescending attitudes towards the very minority they’ve focused on. Really, Blacks can’t think objectively & rationally? Blacks don’t have any social grace or discipline. Education is racist because Blacks think differently? Talk about ‘implicit bias’, the Democratic Party is filled with it. Wondered how long a still living MLK would last at a university speaking engagement stating he wants to be judged ‘by the content of my character’? Not very long I’d bet.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    The question is who will the Asians trust to look out for their interests ?

    “Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety
    As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.”

    ” As the coronavirus upends American life, Chinese-Americans face a double threat. Not only are they grappling like everyone else with how to avoid the virus itself, they are also contending with growing racism in the form of verbal and physical attacks. Other Asian-Americans — with families from Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Myanmar and other places — are facing threats, too, lumped together with Chinese-Americans by a bigotry that does not know the difference.

    In interviews over the past week, nearly two dozen Asian-Americans across the country said they were afraid — to go grocery shopping, to travel alone on subways or buses, to let their children go outside. Many described being yelled at in public — a sudden spasm of hate that is reminiscent of the kind faced by American Muslims, Arabs and South Asians in the United States after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html

    So where is all this hate coming from ? The “woke” or folks who identify themselves as NOT “liberals” , but far right folks who identify with the GOP?

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Sometimes it helps to actually read the article at hand …

      “Chinese Americans are people of color and therefore start from the oppressed side of CRT’s binary. But as we overcome discrimination and achieve upward mobility, we are now White by adjacency. In New York City, Black Lives Matter rioters with CRT signs assaulted our rally supporting merit-based education. We have come into CRT’s crosshair.”

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        which is total bunk compared to the reality of what is actually happening to Asians in the real world – well documented.

        This is all about the right trying to manufacture an issue where they think they can win over Asians and the point is the Asians are under much larger and widespread physical and verbal assault almost every day form the usual bigots on the right.

        The Asians are going to leave the Dems to join the Trumpsters who will “save” them? 😉

    2. Do love how you leave out the bigotry of the ‘Progressive’ crowd. The riots/demonstrations over the past year from BLM/Antigua have been ripe with inconvenient underreported anti-semitism, and anti any POC/women’s voice not 100% in lock step with their goals. Also evident are patronizing, condescending attitudes towards the very minority they’ve focused on. Really, Blacks can’t think objectively & rationally? Blacks don’t have any social grace or discipline. Education is racist because Blacks think differently? Talk about ‘implicit bias’, the Democratic Party is filled with it. Wondered how long a still living MLK would last at a university speaking engagement stating he wants to be judged ‘by the content of my character’? Not very long I’d bet.

  5. djrippert Avatar

    There are places in Northern Virginia where a concerted effort by Asian-Americans could change elections, especially at the Delegate level. Virginia’s off-year elections are often low turnout events. A get out the vote effort in the Asian-American community could result in the loss of General Assembly seats for incumbents who have opposed merit based education at Thomas Jefferson. In 2023 the effort could be expanded to Virginia state senate seats. Throw out one Janet Howell and the rest of the General Assembly will take notice. Asian-Americans constitute over 17% of the residents of Fairfax County. It’s time that the Asian-American community realizes that Ralph Northam and his fellow woke liberals are not friends of Asian-Americans.

    Throw the bums out.

  6. djrippert Avatar

    There are places in Northern Virginia where a concerted effort by Asian-Americans could change elections, especially at the Delegate level. Virginia’s off-year elections are often low turnout events. A get out the vote effort in the Asian-American community could result in the loss of General Assembly seats for incumbents who have opposed merit based education at Thomas Jefferson. In 2023 the effort could be expanded to Virginia state senate seats. Throw out one Janet Howell and the rest of the General Assembly will take notice. Asian-Americans constitute over 17% of the residents of Fairfax County. It’s time that the Asian-American community realizes that Ralph Northam and his fellow woke liberals are not friends of Asian-Americans.

    Throw the bums out.

  7. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Asians who overcame and have achieved upward mobility now need to give up their earned place at the top. Your children should be taught that they now should give up dreams of UVA, Georgetown, and Harvard and instead silently accept admissions to Radford, Longwood, and ODU for the common “good”.
    Check yourselves Asians – Equity and Diversity is at stake!
    But this is what needs to happen. Woke will be broke only when it implodes from the inside out. And that will happen because NO ONE can achieve the righteousness they seemingly demand. I just hope it does before the divisions turn really tragic.

  8. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Asians who overcame and have achieved upward mobility now need to give up their earned place at the top. Your children should be taught that they now should give up dreams of UVA, Georgetown, and Harvard and instead silently accept admissions to Radford, Longwood, and ODU for the common “good”.
    Check yourselves Asians – Equity and Diversity is at stake!
    But this is what needs to happen. Woke will be broke only when it implodes from the inside out. And that will happen because NO ONE can achieve the righteousness they seemingly demand. I just hope it does before the divisions turn really tragic.

  9. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    CRT and other illiberal orthodoxies of the woke mob are no doubt reminding Chinese-Americans of the philosophical analogue that is Mao’s disastrous Cultural Revolution. This is a warning to all Americans of how dangerous CRT and other leftist programs are. CRT, BLM, and cancel culture follow the same playbook as they cancel non-knee-benders. The stated goal of groups that promote this wokism is to install socialism by purging free speech and traditional American values, and the nuclear family.

    Similarities with the installation of Maoism are unmistakable. For just as Little Red Book orthodoxies were imposed and deviations from its teachings not tolerated, todays’ illiberal left allows only coded language and groupthink. You must accept without free and open debate: All whites are racists, all blacks are repressed, sexual gender is whatever you imagine it to be, opinions different than mine is violence, the concept of correct answers in math is a product of white racism, etc…

    Anyone not in line with this orthodoxy now has a target on their back.

  10. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    CRT and other illiberal orthodoxies of the woke mob are no doubt reminding Chinese-Americans of the philosophical analogue that is Mao’s disastrous Cultural Revolution. This is a warning to all Americans of how dangerous CRT and other leftist programs are. CRT, BLM, and cancel culture follow the same playbook as they cancel non-knee-benders. The stated goal of groups that promote this wokism is to install socialism by purging free speech and traditional American values, and the nuclear family.

    Similarities with the installation of Maoism are unmistakable. For just as Little Red Book orthodoxies were imposed and deviations from its teachings not tolerated, todays’ illiberal left allows only coded language and groupthink. You must accept without free and open debate: All whites are racists, all blacks are repressed, sexual gender is whatever you imagine it to be, opinions different than mine is violence, the concept of correct answers in math is a product of white racism, etc…

    Anyone not in line with this orthodoxy now has a target on their back.

  11. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    So why aren’t we using lotteries for other school or school-related activities? How about the school newspaper/yearbook? Orchestra, band, chorus? Sports, from football to basketball to soccer, etc.? Cheerleading or dance team? The senior class play? How do the woke justify application of a principle allegedly driven by a desire to remedy racism or basic unfairness justify selective application of remedy?

    And why hasn’t the media asked any of these questions? Too woke or too dumb to think about them?

    And I’m still waiting for the Post to revamp its editorial board to reflect the makeup of its news staff or, heaven forbid, the demographic makeup of the D.C. Metro Area. What were the old words of wisdom – People in glass houses should not throw stones?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Many extracurricular activities are open to anyone who wants to try out but any activity that is not reflective of the make-up of the school can cause folks to look at it closer in terms of how kids can join.

      Many of these activities are not about people who are already accomplished. The activity itself is an opportunity to learn how to do that activity. It’s education.

      A most important point about TJ and the Loudoun Academies is how many economically disadvantaged are enrolled. Less than 2% are economically disadvantaged. Do the public schools offer a in-school “path” to these academies that the economically-disadvantaged can enroll it and become a viable competitor to enrollment?

      People don’t like the lottery idea but I ask this – how many who are defending the current system really care if it is fair or not and/or want it to be fair for all kids not just those whose parents are well-educated and econoicallly well off?

      1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
        Baconator with extra cheese

        Once the Equity Act is in full force I am going to identify as female everytime I need to drop a deuce at the mall or the YMCA. And sue anyone who questions me. It’s going to be soooo much fun!

      2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        This is simply wrong. TJHSST is also open to any student. Until recently, you just had to qualify. The very same standard holds for every other activity that I listed. And I bet dollars to donuts that the racial/ethnic makeup of the teams/groups that I listed doesn’t reflect the makeup of the school or the community. So why focus on science and math only?

        And you are confusing economic demographics with race and ethnicity? Fairfax County is proposing to use race (one race) and ethnicity (multiple ethnic backgrounds with a relationship to ties to Hispanic nations) and not economic status. Under the FCPS desired standards, a black student whose family makes $500,000 per year would have an admittance preference over a white or Asian kid whose parents made a total of $50,000 per year.

        Finally, you keep ignoring the fact that FCPS offers free assistance to any kid who has the aptitude for math and science and who is interested in TJ.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          What the stats seem to indicate is that TJ has a very, very low number of economically disadvantaged AND that the high number of Asians who are there are also not economically disadvantaged but likely economically well-off since it is well known that those kids go to these costly academic boot camps.

          So, no, not confusing anything at all but asking why/how TJ does not have some reasonable number of economically disadvantaged if it is truly “open to all”.

          1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            But one more time, Larry. FCPS is NOT focused on lower-income kids irrespective of their race(s) and ethnic background. It’s focused on race (black) and Hispanic heritage, which, of course, are suspect classifications under the Constitution.

            And most of the kids who get outside assistance aren’t spending more than a few hundred dollars. And again, FCPS offers similar assistance to low-income kids.

            Also, since about 1 in every 11 black Americans is an immigrant, many of whom either have or will have a college education or more, why should their kids get a preference over an Asian immigrant’s kids? Neither Asian nor black immigrants suffered the effects of slavery and Jim Crow as did our native born blacks.

            To solve our problems and make a better life for all going forward, we all must probe more deeply than a journalist would.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            So why are less than 2% of the enrollment low income if they have the same opportunities to advance?

            Shouldn’t we expect…say.. a percent about equal to their numbers in the public schools if they all have the same access to education resources leading up to enrollment?

            why so few low income kids?

          3. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            It’s quite possible, indeed, quite likely, that many lower-income families simply don’t put the same emphasis on learning and the postponement of gratification that some other families do. How many kids from lower-income families in Fairfax County sign up for the pre-TJ prep that’s available?

  12. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    So why aren’t we using lotteries for other school or school-related activities? How about the school newspaper/yearbook? Orchestra, band, chorus? Sports, from football to basketball to soccer, etc.? Cheerleading or dance team? The senior class play? How do the woke justify application of a principle allegedly driven by a desire to remedy racism or basic unfairness justify selective application of remedy?

    And why hasn’t the media asked any of these questions? Too woke or too dumb to think about them?

    And I’m still waiting for the Post to revamp its editorial board to reflect the makeup of its news staff or, heaven forbid, the demographic makeup of the D.C. Metro Area. What were the old words of wisdom – People in glass houses should not throw stones?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Many extracurricular activities are open to anyone who wants to try out but any activity that is not reflective of the make-up of the school can cause folks to look at it closer in terms of how kids can join.

      Many of these activities are not about people who are already accomplished. The activity itself is an opportunity to learn how to do that activity. It’s education.

      A most important point about TJ and the Loudoun Academies is how many economically disadvantaged are enrolled. Less than 2% are economically disadvantaged. Do the public schools offer a in-school “path” to these academies that the economically-disadvantaged can enroll it and become a viable competitor to enrollment?

      People don’t like the lottery idea but I ask this – how many who are defending the current system really care if it is fair or not and/or want it to be fair for all kids not just those whose parents are well-educated and econoicallly well off?

      1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
        Baconator with extra cheese

        Once the Equity Act is in full force I am going to identify as female everytime I need to drop a deuce at the mall or the YMCA. And sue anyone who questions me. It’s going to be soooo much fun!

      2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        This is simply wrong. TJHSST is also open to any student. Until recently, you just had to qualify. The very same standard holds for every other activity that I listed. And I bet dollars to donuts that the racial/ethnic makeup of the teams/groups that I listed doesn’t reflect the makeup of the school or the community. So why focus on science and math only?

        And you are confusing economic demographics with race and ethnicity? Fairfax County is proposing to use race (one race) and ethnicity (multiple ethnic backgrounds with a relationship to ties to Hispanic nations) and not economic status. Under the FCPS desired standards, a black student whose family makes $500,000 per year would have an admittance preference over a white or Asian kid whose parents made a total of $50,000 per year.

        Finally, you keep ignoring the fact that FCPS offers free assistance to any kid who has the aptitude for math and science and who is interested in TJ.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          What the stats seem to indicate is that TJ has a very, very low number of economically disadvantaged AND that the high number of Asians who are there are also not economically disadvantaged but likely economically well-off since it is well known that those kids go to these costly academic boot camps.

          So, no, not confusing anything at all but asking why/how TJ does not have some reasonable number of economically disadvantaged if it is truly “open to all”.

          1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            But one more time, Larry. FCPS is NOT focused on lower-income kids irrespective of their race(s) and ethnic background. It’s focused on race (black) and Hispanic heritage, which, of course, are suspect classifications under the Constitution.

            And most of the kids who get outside assistance aren’t spending more than a few hundred dollars. And again, FCPS offers similar assistance to low-income kids.

            Also, since about 1 in every 11 black Americans is an immigrant, many of whom either have or will have a college education or more, why should their kids get a preference over an Asian immigrant’s kids? Neither Asian nor black immigrants suffered the effects of slavery and Jim Crow as did our native born blacks.

            To solve our problems and make a better life for all going forward, we all must probe more deeply than a journalist would.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            So why are less than 2% of the enrollment low income if they have the same opportunities to advance?

            Shouldn’t we expect…say.. a percent about equal to their numbers in the public schools if they all have the same access to education resources leading up to enrollment?

            why so few low income kids?

          3. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            It’s quite possible, indeed, quite likely, that many lower-income families simply don’t put the same emphasis on learning and the postponement of gratification that some other families do. How many kids from lower-income families in Fairfax County sign up for the pre-TJ prep that’s available?

  13. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I was worried when I read this from the VDEM until the last line,

    “Amanda Chase isn’t the only Trump sycophant in the race to be Virginia’s next Governor. Self-funding candidate Pete Snyder calls himself an “absolute” Trump supporter.

    So what does Pete’s “absolute” Trumpism look like? Yesterday, Pete announced his campaign is launching a Trump-style voter suppression operation.

    And they’re hiring Trump-lackey Ken Cuccinelli to run it.”

    Uh oh, gonna split the dunderheaded vote.

  14. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I was worried when I read this from the VDEM until the last line,

    “Amanda Chase isn’t the only Trump sycophant in the race to be Virginia’s next Governor. Self-funding candidate Pete Snyder calls himself an “absolute” Trump supporter.

    So what does Pete’s “absolute” Trumpism look like? Yesterday, Pete announced his campaign is launching a Trump-style voter suppression operation.

    And they’re hiring Trump-lackey Ken Cuccinelli to run it.”

    Uh oh, gonna split the dunderheaded vote.

  15. LarrytheG Avatar

    TooManyTaxes | February 25, 2021 at 9:28 am |
    It’s quite possible, indeed, quite likely, that many lower-income families simply don’t put the same emphasis on learning and the postponement of gratification that some other families do. How many kids from lower-income families in Fairfax County sign up for the pre-TJ prep that’s available?

    Do we think that is true across the state?

    The thing is that about 1/2 of Asians kids are in NoVa – largely Fairfax and Loudoun and – as a group they are a much lower percentage of lower-income but more important – not even low income Asians attend TJ and the academiies more than about 2% . So the Asian kids in these academices are from families that are NOT low income – either. It’s just that the others – Blacks and Hispanics are even worse…

    Very few low-income kids get into these academies. It is claimed that the kids that do – go through years of non-public school “boot camps” that their families can afford.

    Finally, a separate question for you.

    When you became a lawyer – did you have to score in top percent to qualify or did you just have to pass the test? Is that the way a lot of professions work? That it’s not based purely on merit and those that don’t score at the top are denied credentials?

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      Larry, you are dodging the issue. Minority and low-income kids have access to free help to prepare for TJ admissions. How many of them take advantage by signing up? How many stick it out for the whole program? Any kid with the appropriate knowledge and aptitude for math and science can get into TJ with sufficient effort.

      It’s no different than the kid who spends several hours each week shooting basket after basket. Or practicing the viola more than required. Any kid, rich or poor, can do this. It takes hard work to succeed.

      How did I become a lawyer? I worked damn hard in college, graduating summa cum laude. I also had to take a two-hour oral exam. In addition to my grades, I had to take an entrance exam for law school, where I did quite well. I worked damn hard in law school, graduating cum laude. While most of my high school and college friends had full time jobs, got newer cars, went on trips, etc., I just worked summers and didn’t spend any money because I didn’t have it since I needed to pay tuition and books. I suspect many bloggers on BR did similar things whatever their profession.

      I had to take the Minnesota bar exam in the summer of 1976. I passed. I got a job in Omaha, where I did not need another bar exam to be admitted to practice. In 1980, I was told to move to Iowa. I had to take another bar exam. I passed. I transferred to D.C. in late 1984. I did not need to take another bar exam.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        TMT – if ALL kids have the SAME access to help , how come there is such disparities in enrollment?

        ON yourself. I know you worked damned hard but the point is, did they only accept the top scoring applicants and reject the others or do all of you have to take a test and make a minimum score?

        so who is “dodging” here?

        😉

  16. LarrytheG Avatar

    TooManyTaxes | February 25, 2021 at 9:28 am |
    It’s quite possible, indeed, quite likely, that many lower-income families simply don’t put the same emphasis on learning and the postponement of gratification that some other families do. How many kids from lower-income families in Fairfax County sign up for the pre-TJ prep that’s available?

    Do we think that is true across the state?

    The thing is that about 1/2 of Asians kids are in NoVa – largely Fairfax and Loudoun and – as a group they are a much lower percentage of lower-income but more important – not even low income Asians attend TJ and the academiies more than about 2% . So the Asian kids in these academices are from families that are NOT low income – either. It’s just that the others – Blacks and Hispanics are even worse…

    Very few low-income kids get into these academies. It is claimed that the kids that do – go through years of non-public school “boot camps” that their families can afford.

    Finally, a separate question for you.

    When you became a lawyer – did you have to score in top percent to qualify or did you just have to pass the test? Is that the way a lot of professions work? That it’s not based purely on merit and those that don’t score at the top are denied credentials?

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      Larry, you are dodging the issue. Minority and low-income kids have access to free help to prepare for TJ admissions. How many of them take advantage by signing up? How many stick it out for the whole program? Any kid with the appropriate knowledge and aptitude for math and science can get into TJ with sufficient effort.

      It’s no different than the kid who spends several hours each week shooting basket after basket. Or practicing the viola more than required. Any kid, rich or poor, can do this. It takes hard work to succeed.

      How did I become a lawyer? I worked damn hard in college, graduating summa cum laude. I also had to take a two-hour oral exam. In addition to my grades, I had to take an entrance exam for law school, where I did quite well. I worked damn hard in law school, graduating cum laude. While most of my high school and college friends had full time jobs, got newer cars, went on trips, etc., I just worked summers and didn’t spend any money because I didn’t have it since I needed to pay tuition and books. I suspect many bloggers on BR did similar things whatever their profession.

      I had to take the Minnesota bar exam in the summer of 1976. I passed. I got a job in Omaha, where I did not need another bar exam to be admitted to practice. In 1980, I was told to move to Iowa. I had to take another bar exam. I passed. I transferred to D.C. in late 1984. I did not need to take another bar exam.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        TMT – if ALL kids have the SAME access to help , how come there is such disparities in enrollment?

        ON yourself. I know you worked damned hard but the point is, did they only accept the top scoring applicants and reject the others or do all of you have to take a test and make a minimum score?

        so who is “dodging” here?

        😉

  17. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    There is disparity in enrollments because not all students are equally gifted. And a lot of families make bad decisions generation after generation. And fewer and fewer young people today seem willing to defer gratification, most especially for years in a row.

    Obviously, I don’t know exactly how the University of Minnesota Law School made admission decisions back in the 1970s. While some kids were brilliant, all seemed to be smart, irrespective of their race. I suspect that the vast majority of students had outstanding GPAs from college and scored well on the LSAT. I’m sure the admissions officers looked at other factors, such as veteran status, additional degrees, residence (to get some non-Minnesotans). There could have been consideration of race. But I seriously doubt any of my black friends from law school lacked the academic credentials for admission.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      So basically you seem to be saying that the low numbers of low income kids is because they – as a group – are typically not doing the things that need to be done to be competitive for enrollment?

      Are you aware of Charter schools like Success Academies ?

      In terms of qualifications you faced. – was it a system where only the top scores got their lawyer credentials or was it anyone who passed the bar no matter if they were at the top scores?

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        Yes, I think that many low-income kids aren’t doing the things that they need to do to succeed. But many are.

        There’s been many successful and quite a few unsuccessful charter schools. I think any school that is freed from the day-to-day interference from “central staff” have a better chance of successful outcomes. Enrolling a child in a charter school shows that the kid’s parent(s) are interested in the welfare of that child.

        Passing the bar. Just like for every law school exam, each applicant was given a number to be placed on the essay book or multiple choice test paper. The graders did not know the identity of the test taker. Each test had a minimum score and an overall score for passing the bar exam. Every applicant who scored above the minimum and passed the background check was admitted to the bar. The most stressful thing for me was trying to keep my handwriting legible.

  18. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    There is disparity in enrollments because not all students are equally gifted. And a lot of families make bad decisions generation after generation. And fewer and fewer young people today seem willing to defer gratification, most especially for years in a row.

    Obviously, I don’t know exactly how the University of Minnesota Law School made admission decisions back in the 1970s. While some kids were brilliant, all seemed to be smart, irrespective of their race. I suspect that the vast majority of students had outstanding GPAs from college and scored well on the LSAT. I’m sure the admissions officers looked at other factors, such as veteran status, additional degrees, residence (to get some non-Minnesotans). There could have been consideration of race. But I seriously doubt any of my black friends from law school lacked the academic credentials for admission.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      So basically you seem to be saying that the low numbers of low income kids is because they – as a group – are typically not doing the things that need to be done to be competitive for enrollment?

      Are you aware of Charter schools like Success Academies ?

      In terms of qualifications you faced. – was it a system where only the top scores got their lawyer credentials or was it anyone who passed the bar no matter if they were at the top scores?

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        Yes, I think that many low-income kids aren’t doing the things that they need to do to succeed. But many are.

        There’s been many successful and quite a few unsuccessful charter schools. I think any school that is freed from the day-to-day interference from “central staff” have a better chance of successful outcomes. Enrolling a child in a charter school shows that the kid’s parent(s) are interested in the welfare of that child.

        Passing the bar. Just like for every law school exam, each applicant was given a number to be placed on the essay book or multiple choice test paper. The graders did not know the identity of the test taker. Each test had a minimum score and an overall score for passing the bar exam. Every applicant who scored above the minimum and passed the background check was admitted to the bar. The most stressful thing for me was trying to keep my handwriting legible.

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