Chilling Innovation

by Bill O’Keefe

Dominion Energy’s decision to build a gigantic windfarm and have net zero emissions by 2045 is a political ploy rather than a well-developed business decision. Why do I say that? First, Dominion buys bi-partisan political support in the General Assembly, as if it was needed. Second, it now gets broad support from the environmental community. And, if it flops, as it is likely to do, rate payers will be left holding the bail-out bag.

Dominion plans to site over 200 windmills 27 miles off of the coast of Virginia. The area occupied will be about 176 square miles, which is three times larger than Richmond and about the size of Clarke County. The current cost estimate for this project is $7.8 billion, but that will certainly increase.

By committing to a project of this size, Dominion is freezing innovation and putting its transmission grid at risk. The cold spell that is gripping the U.S. reveals a major vulnerability of wind and solar as well as the vulnerability of the grid.

Wind mills In Texas are frozen, and in Europe the lack of wind has idled Germany’s wind power. As Jim pointed out in an earlier post, “In the midst of a bitter cold snap expected to last several days, ice storms knocked out nearly half the state’s wind-power generating supply. The spot price of electricity has surged to $9,000 per megawatt hour, compared to $100 per megawatt hour during periods of high summer demand.”

While the Texas power problem is more complex than just wind and solar, it should be a cautionary tale about trying to electrify the Commonwealth with reliance on renewables. There is value in diversity of energy sources and a reliable grid. As The Washington Post observed, “Modernizing the electrical grid to make it more resilient, more efficient and more secure is the worst kind of challenge: complex, expensive and easy to ignore.” Given the widespread blackouts over the past several days, Dominion has ignored it while spending on placating the Greens.

Over the next two decades there will be advances in technology that could make the windfarm a white elephant. For example, a number of companies here and in Europe are pursing Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) projects. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the International Energy Agency agree that CCS is one of the most important low-carbon technologies required to achieve societal climate goals at the lowest cost. CCS is also one of the only technologies that could enable some industry sectors to decarbonize, including the refining, chemicals, cement and steel sectors.  ExxonMobil has recently announced the formation of a business unit to commercialize its carbon-capture and low=carbon technology and has projects and partnerships in a number of countries. If this technology becomes commercially viable in next two decades the value of wind power will be diminished

While many have turned their backs on the nuclear option because of cost and safety concerns, the nuclear industry is forging ahead in work to address those concerns. Small Modular Reactors hold out a great deal of promise because being modular, many components can be mass produced, hence lowering the cost. They can substitute for coal and gas fired power and being combined in increments is a way to boost capacity as needed. GE is developing a reactor that can be sited below ground in water, increasing its safety.  The focus today seems to be about making reactors simpler and more reliable.

The attack on nuclear by some environmentalists and the media is really a case of fake news. The effects of well publicized accidents at Three Mile Island and Fukushima produced no deaths or cases of radiation poisoning. While Chernobyl was the worst nuclear disaster ever to take place, it is not relevant to the U.S.  The reactor design was unique and the accident was caused by negligence — there were no fail-safes to prevent radiation from escaping, personnel were poorly trained, and no safety measures were in place to protect against the mistakes that were made.  Chernobyl was a disaster waiting to happen.

Dominion should consider all viable options and not prematurely lock in the wind farm. Since it is going to be implemented in phases, there is still time to do it right.

William O’Keefe, a Midlothian resident, is founder of Solutions Consulting and former EVP American Petroleum Institute.


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46 responses to “Chilling Innovation”

  1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Getting close to signing a contract to build a house in Metro Raleigh. Virginia keeps going down and down. It’s probably reached the point where my long-deceased maternal grandfather, who always voted for Ds, would be voting R this fall.

  2. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    The Texas situation is personal, with both my son and brother forced from their homes for lack of power. My son found a friend to say with, by brother his in-laws. Jim and I have been reading the same stories, and I sent out the photo I found of the helicopter de-icing the turbines on Twitter and started a fascinating cascade (much of it abusive, of course – leftists are so polite when questioned, as we see here.) The after action on ERCOT will be fascinating reading.

    As to the piece above, carbon capture is crap, a stupid idea. O’Keefe citing IPCC support should be a give-away. Trees are great at carbon capture — beyond that the tactic will just drain research budgets and accomplish nothing. Coal needs to go away, natural gas needs to stay as a key part of the generation mix, and if the Dominion OSW plan is not sufficiently winterized, it needs to be. Well, there goes another $1B in ratepayer dollars….

    And with Jim, I fear the main lessons will be lost: We do not DARE go 100% electric, abandoning fossil fuel transportation, heat or manufacturing processes. It would be beyond insane. Having that car in the driveway to get out of the house, get warm and charge your phone is very useful in an outage.

    1. For Virginia I have good news and bad news.

      The good news is that we have an award winning Department of Emergency Management.

      Okay, now for the bad news. The award they received was for “Ongoing Efforts to Enhance Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.” I see nothing to indicate that they are any good at managing emergencies. But hey, I guess that isn’t important any more. It’s all about party from now on Comrades.

      I wish someone from our “free press” would ask the residents of Nottoway how impressed they are with their award winning Department of Emergency Management.

      https://www.vaemergency.gov/virginia-department-of-emergency-management-receives-governors-honor-award-for-ongoing-efforts-to-enhance-diversity-equity-and-inclusion/

    2. Carbon capture is potentially important. From coal *burning*, probably forget it. But from coal gasification or nat gas (eg; to H2) it is quite attractive and done already. I realize USA is quickly becoming anti-any-use-of -fossil-fuel-even-if-it-is-clean-technology-like-H2, but the rest of world is free to move in that direction. Even direct CO2 capture from air is under serious consideration and testing, but probably needs some break-thrus. You’d be surprised what massive subsidies, mandates, and gov’t programs can accomplish.

  3. We know a lot more about the situation in Texas than when I published that post yesterday, and the situation is much more complex than I portrayed. The ultimate root of the problem is that Texas optimized its electric grid for summer peaks and did not prepare for the possibility of the rare winter peak. Wind turbines failed. Electric pumps for gas pipelines failed. Coal stockpiles froze. A lot of things went wrong. Knowing what I know now, I would not single out wind. (From what I read, even the photo I ran with the post was not a Texas wind turbine — it was in Sweden, years ago.)

    However… Bill still makes a valuable point. There are other alternatives on the horizon. Dominion’s offshore wind farm is a mega project that will cost $7.8 billion, assuming no cost escalation. The wind turbines have never been hurricane tested.

    The Texas experience indisputably shows one thing: grid reliability is a real issue, not conservative propaganda. Extreme weather events are real things, not conservative propaganda. And when grids fail for a week at a time, widespread suffering and economic disruption occur. We have given far too little thought about grid reliability in Virginia in our rush to a zero-carbon future. There may be fixes for those vulnerabilities. But we need to know what they are and how much they will cost.

    Once upon a time, Dominion preached the virtue of diversified energy sources. In its all-seeing wisdom, the General Assembly has decided that diversity (in energy sources) is no longer desirable. Coal must go. Natural gas must be sharply curtailed. And nuclear is iffy. We’re simply not having that discussion.

    1. There are other lessons from Texas.

      Remember the Atlantic Coast Pipeline discussion? One was that we has “sufficient” capacity without it. Sometime sufficient doesn’t cut it and it helps to have excess capacity. But not according to the Progressive climate change crowd.

      Another potential benefit of the pipeline would have been the ability to sell liquified natural gas. Might that ability come in handy at some point for either Virginia or some other area?

      Remember how important Buckingham County was during the pipeline discussions because it was largely African American? That being the case, why so little attention to Nottoway County right now. It’s about 40 perecent African American and 76 percent of the county is still without power.

      https://poweroutage.us/area/county/1030

      Demographics are only matter if the story advances the Progressive agenda. Otherwise, they really don’t give a crap.

      1. More on Nottoway County if anyone is interested:

        NOTTOWAY COUNTY, Va. (WRIC)— One Nottoway County supervisor began a one-man strike to back up his demands that the county keep a warming shelter for 24 hours a day. District 2 Supervisor John Roark went on a hunger strike Tuesday and said he would only sleep in his car until a shelter was opened for full-time use.

        Roark said families are sleeping in their cars for warmth after the ice storm caused widespread power outages.

        Shelters in the area were only open for six hours operating from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. while power outages in the county lasted for days. Roark called on the Emergency Services Manager and Coordinator to extend those hours.

        More here:

        https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/nottoway-county-to-open-24-hour-emergency-shelter-due-to-power-outages/

  4. We know a lot more about the situation in Texas than when I published that post yesterday, and the situation is much more complex than I portrayed. The ultimate root of the problem is that Texas optimized its electric grid for summer peaks and did not prepare for the possibility of the rare winter peak. Wind turbines failed. Electric pumps for gas pipelines failed. Coal stockpiles froze. A lot of things went wrong. Knowing what I know now, I would not single out wind. (From what I read, even the photo I ran with the post was not a Texas wind turbine — it was in Sweden, years ago.)

    However… Bill still makes a valuable point. There are other alternatives on the horizon. Dominion’s offshore wind farm is a mega project that will cost $7.8 billion, assuming no cost escalation. The wind turbines have never been hurricane tested.

    The Texas experience indisputably shows one thing: grid reliability is a real issue, not conservative propaganda. Extreme weather events are real things, not conservative propaganda. And when grids fail for a week at a time, widespread suffering and economic disruption occur. We have given far too little thought about grid reliability in Virginia in our rush to a zero-carbon future. There may be fixes for those vulnerabilities. But we need to know what they are and how much they will cost.

    Once upon a time, Dominion preached the virtue of diversified energy sources. In its all-seeing wisdom, the General Assembly has decided that diversity (in energy sources) is no longer desirable. Coal must go. Natural gas must be sharply curtailed. And nuclear is iffy. We’re simply not having that discussion.

    1. There are other lessons from Texas.

      Remember the Atlantic Coast Pipeline discussion? One was that we has “sufficient” capacity without it. Sometime sufficient doesn’t cut it and it helps to have excess capacity. But not according to the Progressive climate change crowd.

      Another potential benefit of the pipeline would have been the ability to sell liquified natural gas. Might that ability come in handy at some point for either Virginia or some other area?

      Remember how important Buckingham County was during the pipeline discussions because it was largely African American? That being the case, why so little attention to Nottoway County right now. It’s about 40 perecent African American and 76 percent of the county is still without power.

      https://poweroutage.us/area/county/1030

      Demographics are only matter if the story advances the Progressive agenda. Otherwise, they really don’t give a crap.

      1. More on Nottoway County if anyone is interested:

        NOTTOWAY COUNTY, Va. (WRIC)— One Nottoway County supervisor began a one-man strike to back up his demands that the county keep a warming shelter for 24 hours a day. District 2 Supervisor John Roark went on a hunger strike Tuesday and said he would only sleep in his car until a shelter was opened for full-time use.

        Roark said families are sleeping in their cars for warmth after the ice storm caused widespread power outages.

        Shelters in the area were only open for six hours operating from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. while power outages in the county lasted for days. Roark called on the Emergency Services Manager and Coordinator to extend those hours.

        More here:

        https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/nottoway-county-to-open-24-hour-emergency-shelter-due-to-power-outages/

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    So one question might be what is the role of PJM in the integration of these turbines into the grid and do they operate similarity to ERCOT or do they have tighter reliability standards?

    Dominion is in the business of making money and they are very good at it. You want windmills? No problem. Just do a cost-plus and we’re good to go.

    Integrate them into the grid? Talk to PJM?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      FERC sets the reliability standards, so no, PJM is not that different. What I’m reading indicates human error at ERCOT played a big role.

    2. The regulatory role of PJM is, PJM does its own assessment of the reliability impact of a new generator becoming connected to the electric grid in the PJM area of control, and writes its conditions into the interconnection contract, and tells anyone that will listen starting with the FERC and MAAC (the regional reliability council within NERC that oversees reliability standards and enforcement in the Mid-Atlantic Area) if PJM has concerns. In Virginia a public service corporation building a generator also has to go to the SCC in most cases (I’m not clear whether the SCC even gets to review these wind turbines based on all the special regulatory legislation Dominion has rammed through). And the SCC has called upon PJM to testify in SCC hearings in the past.

      O’Keefe is correct, ERCOT has deliberately avoided the kinds of interconnection with the rest of the United States grid that would trigger FERC jurisdiction. Once upon a time, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) was a regional reliability council under NERC, the independent electric reliability standards organization nationwide. Then, as other parts of the country adopted independent system operators (ISOs) under FERC jurisdiction to run their electric grids, the Texas utilities commission directed ERCOT to fill that role in Texas, but under Texas jurisdiction not FERC jurisdiction. Meanwhile FERC asserted jurisdiction over NERC and its regional councils, but ERCOT would have none of that. ERCOT today functions as an Independent System Operator (ISO) analogous to PJM, but it’s not regulated by the FERC (unlike every other ISO in the country). In the grid operations sense ERCOT, like PJM, is concerned with operational reliability; but there is a parallel organization, Texas Reliability Entity, which is the actual reliability standard-setting entity for that part of Texas and IS regulated by NERC and, ultimately, FERC. Confusing? Yes, but everything to do with utility regulation in Texas is confusing, and State utility regulation there is idiosyncratic, political, and sometimes lax by comparison with the rest of the country.

      Steve is correct, NERC sets the reliability standards for the whole country, and in effect the regional reliability councils work through the mechanics of implementing those standards on a geographic basis. PJM is so large it participates in two different regional councils.

      As for what the problem is in Texas right now, there’s a lot of finger-pointing going on, but the simple fact is, there should be standards in place in Texas to require winter generating capabilities sufficient to avoid blackouts on a probabilistic basis, and one of three things happened: this was an event that occurred within the probabilistic limits (e.g., a “1 in 100 year” event that nobody plans for), or, it was not such an event but the standards were not set high enough to deal with it, or, the generator owners were in violation of the existing standards. One of the factors in setting reliability standards within a region is, how much assistance can outside regions give in an emergency? That of course depends on how well interconnected the transmission grids are, between regions, and a probability assessment of the likelihood that the same emergency would affect such a large area that the outside regions could not help anyway.

      Jim, everything I’ve seen says you are correct, “windmills freezing” is a small part of the problem. There is nothing about a windmill that is inherently susceptible to freezing; there are power-supply windmills operating above the Arctic Circle in many locations. But maintenance protocols have to be designed with freezing in mind or things that don’t normally matter (like seals to keep ice from forming in the blade hubs) could fail under stress. I will be much more interested to learn why all those natural-gas fueled generators failed to start at the same time. That sounds like the heart of the matter.

      It also sounds like the wholesale market is correctly designed here. Markets don’t impose grid reliability requirements; rather, they impose a really stiff market price for power if grid reliability fails. The generators that DID deliver energy when called for got a really high payment for it. The ones that didn’t, didn’t get paid at all. In addition, these no-show generators could be downrated for capacity payments in the future. Eventually these market forces give sufficient incentive to an independent generator to improve generator reliability or get out of the business. As for why the grid operator, the ISO, here let grid reliability get so bad that rolling blackouts were necessary — that again points to reliability standards that were too low, or not properly enforced, or maybe this was just that one black-swan event that nobody plans to deal with.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    So one question might be what is the role of PJM in the integration of these turbines into the grid and do they operate similarity to ERCOT or do they have tighter reliability standards?

    Dominion is in the business of making money and they are very good at it. You want windmills? No problem. Just do a cost-plus and we’re good to go.

    Integrate them into the grid? Talk to PJM?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      FERC sets the reliability standards, so no, PJM is not that different. What I’m reading indicates human error at ERCOT played a big role.

    2. The regulatory role of PJM is, PJM does its own assessment of the reliability impact of a new generator becoming connected to the electric grid in the PJM area of control, and writes its conditions into the interconnection contract, and tells anyone that will listen starting with the FERC and MAAC (the regional reliability council within NERC that oversees reliability standards and enforcement in the Mid-Atlantic Area) if PJM has concerns. In Virginia a public service corporation building a generator also has to go to the SCC in most cases (I’m not clear whether the SCC even gets to review these wind turbines based on all the special regulatory legislation Dominion has rammed through). And the SCC has called upon PJM to testify in SCC hearings in the past.

      O’Keefe is correct, ERCOT has deliberately avoided the kinds of interconnection with the rest of the United States grid that would trigger FERC jurisdiction. Once upon a time, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) was a regional reliability council under NERC, the independent electric reliability standards organization nationwide. Then, as other parts of the country adopted independent system operators (ISOs) under FERC jurisdiction to run their electric grids, the Texas utilities commission directed ERCOT to fill that role in Texas, but under Texas jurisdiction not FERC jurisdiction. Meanwhile FERC asserted jurisdiction over NERC and its regional councils, but ERCOT would have none of that. ERCOT today functions as an Independent System Operator (ISO) analogous to PJM, but it’s not regulated by the FERC (unlike every other ISO in the country). In the grid operations sense ERCOT, like PJM, is concerned with operational reliability; but there is a parallel organization, Texas Reliability Entity, which is the actual reliability standard-setting entity for that part of Texas and IS regulated by NERC and, ultimately, FERC. Confusing? Yes, but everything to do with utility regulation in Texas is confusing, and State utility regulation there is idiosyncratic, political, and sometimes lax by comparison with the rest of the country.

      Steve is correct, NERC sets the reliability standards for the whole country, and in effect the regional reliability councils work through the mechanics of implementing those standards on a geographic basis. PJM is so large it participates in two different regional councils.

      As for what the problem is in Texas right now, there’s a lot of finger-pointing going on, but the simple fact is, there should be standards in place in Texas to require winter generating capabilities sufficient to avoid blackouts on a probabilistic basis, and one of three things happened: this was an event that occurred within the probabilistic limits (e.g., a “1 in 100 year” event that nobody plans for), or, it was not such an event but the standards were not set high enough to deal with it, or, the generator owners were in violation of the existing standards. One of the factors in setting reliability standards within a region is, how much assistance can outside regions give in an emergency? That of course depends on how well interconnected the transmission grids are, between regions, and a probability assessment of the likelihood that the same emergency would affect such a large area that the outside regions could not help anyway.

      Jim, everything I’ve seen says you are correct, “windmills freezing” is a small part of the problem. There is nothing about a windmill that is inherently susceptible to freezing; there are power-supply windmills operating above the Arctic Circle in many locations. But maintenance protocols have to be designed with freezing in mind or things that don’t normally matter (like seals to keep ice from forming in the blade hubs) could fail under stress. I will be much more interested to learn why all those natural-gas fueled generators failed to start at the same time. That sounds like the heart of the matter.

      It also sounds like the wholesale market is correctly designed here. Markets don’t impose grid reliability requirements; rather, they impose a really stiff market price for power if grid reliability fails. The generators that DID deliver energy when called for got a really high payment for it. The ones that didn’t, didn’t get paid at all. In addition, these no-show generators could be downrated for capacity payments in the future. Eventually these market forces give sufficient incentive to an independent generator to improve generator reliability or get out of the business. As for why the grid operator, the ISO, here let grid reliability get so bad that rolling blackouts were necessary — that again points to reliability standards that were too low, or not properly enforced, or maybe this was just that one black-swan event that nobody plans to deal with.

  7. JRegimbal Avatar

    Nuclear being the long-term answer to carbon-free reliable energy is so obvious its ridiculous to have to say it. We could all be charging our cars, homes, computers and phones with carbon-free no pollution electricity.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Well, to a large extent you are, about 40% here in Central VA I think. Renewing the nuclear licenses is crucial, but I still expect the renewable crowd to fight it like the dickens.

    2. Ben Slone Avatar

      And $7.8 billion should buy a nice Nuke.

  8. JRegimbal Avatar

    Nuclear being the long-term answer to carbon-free reliable energy is so obvious its ridiculous to have to say it. We could all be charging our cars, homes, computers and phones with carbon-free no pollution electricity.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Well, to a large extent you are, about 40% here in Central VA I think. Renewing the nuclear licenses is crucial, but I still expect the renewable crowd to fight it like the dickens.

    2. Ben Slone Avatar

      And $7.8 billion should buy a nice Nuke.

  9. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    On top of not being hurricane tested, haven’t we been told hurricanes are going to increase in frequency and intensity? Has off shore been engineered for the hurricanes of the future?
    Me thinks Dominion doesn’t really give a shizz… The consumer is on the hook for repairs/ replacement plus profit margins of course.
    Get ready to bend over middle class!
    Me thinks the elite will have back up generators and propane storage… cold and in the datk is for the little people.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      Start saving now for you 500 gallon NG tank, small block Genset with the ATS. It’ll only set ya back around 50k.

  10. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    On top of not being hurricane tested, haven’t we been told hurricanes are going to increase in frequency and intensity? Has off shore been engineered for the hurricanes of the future?
    Me thinks Dominion doesn’t really give a shizz… The consumer is on the hook for repairs/ replacement plus profit margins of course.
    Get ready to bend over middle class!
    Me thinks the elite will have back up generators and propane storage… cold and in the datk is for the little people.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      Start saving now for you 500 gallon NG tank, small block Genset with the ATS. It’ll only set ya back around 50k.

  11. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Getting close to signing a contract to build a house in Metro Raleigh. Virginia keeps going down and down. It’s probably reached the point where my long-deceased maternal grandfather, who always voted for Ds, would be voting R this fall.

  12. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    The Texas situation is personal, with both my son and brother forced from their homes for lack of power. My son found a friend to say with, by brother his in-laws. Jim and I have been reading the same stories, and I sent out the photo I found of the helicopter de-icing the turbines on Twitter and started a fascinating cascade (much of it abusive, of course – leftists are so polite when questioned, as we see here.) The after action on ERCOT will be fascinating reading.

    As to the piece above, carbon capture is crap, a stupid idea. O’Keefe citing IPCC support should be a give-away. Trees are great at carbon capture — beyond that the tactic will just drain research budgets and accomplish nothing. Coal needs to go away, natural gas needs to stay as a key part of the generation mix, and if the Dominion OSW plan is not sufficiently winterized, it needs to be. Well, there goes another $1B in ratepayer dollars….

    And with Jim, I fear the main lessons will be lost: We do not DARE go 100% electric, abandoning fossil fuel transportation, heat or manufacturing processes. It would be beyond insane. Having that car in the driveway to get out of the house, get warm and charge your phone is very useful in an outage.

    1. For Virginia I have good news and bad news.

      The good news is that we have an award winning Department of Emergency Management.

      Okay, now for the bad news. The award they received was for “Ongoing Efforts to Enhance Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.” I see nothing to indicate that they are any good at managing emergencies. But hey, I guess that isn’t important any more. It’s all about party from now on Comrades.

      I wish someone from our “free press” would ask the residents of Nottoway how impressed they are with their award winning Department of Emergency Management.

      https://www.vaemergency.gov/virginia-department-of-emergency-management-receives-governors-honor-award-for-ongoing-efforts-to-enhance-diversity-equity-and-inclusion/

    2. Carbon capture is potentially important. From coal *burning*, probably forget it. But from coal gasification or nat gas (eg; to H2) it is quite attractive and done already. I realize USA is quickly becoming anti-any-use-of -fossil-fuel-even-if-it-is-clean-technology-like-H2, but the rest of world is free to move in that direction. Even direct CO2 capture from air is under serious consideration and testing, but probably needs some break-thrus. You’d be surprised what massive subsidies, mandates, and gov’t programs can accomplish.

  13. “However… Bill still makes a valuable point. There are other alternatives on the horizon. Dominion’s offshore wind farm is a mega project that will cost $7.8 billion, assuming no cost escalation. The wind turbines have never been hurricane tested.”

    Carbon capture exists only as a bullet point on ESG pitches you show to investors. It’s about as far off the horizon as nuclear fusion. Their pitches even employ the same language — “10 years and $100 billion away from commercial viability.”

    That said, CVOW exists mainly as a Dominion bill rider, and as a shiny hood ornament to catch the eyes of dividend fund managers. Whether it hits nameplate generation capacity/reliability standards is pretty far down the list of priorities for their executives, methinks.

    As has been pointed out plenty of times on BR and elsewhere, SMRs and nuclear builds in general are the obvious way forward if NIMBYism wasn’t a factor. Even with that in play, I suspect it’ll be smoother sailing from a zoning and permitting standpoint than convincing every county board of supervisors to glass over a non-trivial percentage of their farmland.

  14. “However… Bill still makes a valuable point. There are other alternatives on the horizon. Dominion’s offshore wind farm is a mega project that will cost $7.8 billion, assuming no cost escalation. The wind turbines have never been hurricane tested.”

    Carbon capture exists only as a bullet point on ESG pitches you show to investors. It’s about as far off the horizon as nuclear fusion. Their pitches even employ the same language — “10 years and $100 billion away from commercial viability.”

    That said, CVOW exists mainly as a Dominion bill rider, and as a shiny hood ornament to catch the eyes of dividend fund managers. Whether it hits nameplate generation capacity/reliability standards is pretty far down the list of priorities for their executives, methinks.

    As has been pointed out plenty of times on BR and elsewhere, SMRs and nuclear builds in general are the obvious way forward if NIMBYism wasn’t a factor. Even with that in play, I suspect it’ll be smoother sailing from a zoning and permitting standpoint than convincing every county board of supervisors to glass over a non-trivial percentage of their farmland.

  15. Back when the polar vortex hit New England several winters ago, and blackouts threatened, FERC subsequently ordered New England utilities to winterize their equipment. Coal piles even froze at the time.

    In Texas, ERCOT solely operates their grid within State lines. As there is no interstate commerce involved, I doubt that FERC has any regulatory authority.

    Several years ago a project called Tres Amigos was proposed to interconnect the Eastern grid, the Western grids and ERCOT. I wonder now what might have been if either FERC had authority over ERCOT on reliabiltiy standards, or if Tres Amigos actually was built, then perhaps this whole problem might have been avoided.

  16. Back when the polar vortex hit New England several winters ago, and blackouts threatened, FERC subsequently ordered New England utilities to winterize their equipment. Coal piles even froze at the time.

    In Texas, ERCOT solely operates their grid within State lines. As there is no interstate commerce involved, I doubt that FERC has any regulatory authority.

    Several years ago a project called Tres Amigos was proposed to interconnect the Eastern grid, the Western grids and ERCOT. I wonder now what might have been if either FERC had authority over ERCOT on reliabiltiy standards, or if Tres Amigos actually was built, then perhaps this whole problem might have been avoided.

  17. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Curious that the two best producing shale fields — eagle Ford and Permian – are in Texas

  18. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Curious that the two best producing shale fields — eagle Ford and Permian – are in Texas

  19. The other important lesson from the Texas example is that ON-shore wind (not mega-expensive, OFF-shore wind) is a very important element of electric generation. Texas is not running with OFF-shore wind due to much higher costs. This is a weakness in Virginia’s plans…as far as I know we could build and/or buy wind power in PA/WV/MD like many others states are doing. But we have grandiose plans of taking the lead in off-shore wind. Those of us from the private sector know the benefit of letting someone else take the risky and costly trial-and-error lead on something like that. Also we are *not* doing it like New Jersey: buying proven off-shore technology on low bid basis, instead we are committing to pay Dominion top dollar to do it ourselves, no matter what the cost. I feel like US Gov’t should do or control this, if we need to do move in this off-shore direction. Hoover Dam as model.

  20. The other important lesson from the Texas example is that ON-shore wind (not mega-expensive, OFF-shore wind) is a very important element of electric generation. Texas is not running with OFF-shore wind due to much higher costs. This is a weakness in Virginia’s plans…as far as I know we could build and/or buy wind power in PA/WV/MD like many others states are doing. But we have grandiose plans of taking the lead in off-shore wind. Those of us from the private sector know the benefit of letting someone else take the risky and costly trial-and-error lead on something like that. Also we are *not* doing it like New Jersey: buying proven off-shore technology on low bid basis, instead we are committing to pay Dominion top dollar to do it ourselves, no matter what the cost. I feel like US Gov’t should do or control this, if we need to do move in this off-shore direction. Hoover Dam as model.

  21. LarrytheG Avatar

    just to point out that Texas is not the only state with this weather:

    None of the other states are having problems like Texas?

    If Texas has ERCOT, then do the other states in that region have ERCOT/PJM type regional transmission organization (RTO)?

    indeed:

    https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/map-overview-electric.jpg

    and this: ” The U.S. State of Oklahoma has high potential capacity for wind power in the western half of the state. In 2017, Oklahoma’s installed wind generation capacity was almost 7,500 megawatts, supplying almost a third of the state’s generated electricity.[”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Oklahoma

    the plot thickens…..

  22. LarrytheG Avatar

    just to point out that Texas is not the only state with this weather:

    None of the other states are having problems like Texas?

    If Texas has ERCOT, then do the other states in that region have ERCOT/PJM type regional transmission organization (RTO)?

    indeed:

    https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/map-overview-electric.jpg

    and this: ” The U.S. State of Oklahoma has high potential capacity for wind power in the western half of the state. In 2017, Oklahoma’s installed wind generation capacity was almost 7,500 megawatts, supplying almost a third of the state’s generated electricity.[”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Oklahoma

    the plot thickens…..

  23. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    We eff’ed up! Quick, blame somebody!

    I think it was the ruskies!

  24. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    We eff’ed up! Quick, blame somebody!

    I think it was the ruskies!

  25. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    A recent article in Forbes provides a good summary of the state of carbon capture technology–https://www.forbes.com/sites/feliciajackson/2020/12/02/is-the-future-of-carbon-capture-in-the-air/?sh=4cf9ee382c4a. How fast the technology develops and whether it proves cost effective is the reason we have R&D. A lot can happen in two decades, so Dominion should keep it options open.

    1. I feel we could be doing a lot more, for example, we could be building natural gas power plants or H2 plants with or coal gasification with carbon capture and sequestering the CO2.

      However, let’s face it, in the USA there is intense political dislike of industry. Liberals would puke before supporting anything the fossil fuel industry wanted to do, no matter how sustainably. That’s why H2 fuel cells are viewed as death-to-society here in the USA.

      The other thing going on is a major trend to reject any and all “pollution” in our lives in America, a trend towards extreme chemophobia, no matter how low sub-atomic levels, if there is 99.9% emission controls and no human impact, liberals see it as still killing many Americans and racial genocide. As a young college student voiced in Michael Moore’s Plant of the Humans, all combustion must be banned.

      Now of course, we cannot run the world that way, but I guess USA is affluent enough to say NIMBY and we will rely in others to make stuff with combustion involved, and we can import that stuff until those poorer societies advance to our level our eliteness.

      Somehow we need liberals to get off their high horses, but in the meantime we cannot be killing everyone even if the killing is inferred by the liberals and is not really happening,

  26. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    A recent article in Forbes provides a good summary of the state of carbon capture technology–https://www.forbes.com/sites/feliciajackson/2020/12/02/is-the-future-of-carbon-capture-in-the-air/?sh=4cf9ee382c4a. How fast the technology develops and whether it proves cost effective is the reason we have R&D. A lot can happen in two decades, so Dominion should keep it options open.

    1. I feel we could be doing a lot more, for example, we could be building natural gas power plants or H2 plants with or coal gasification with carbon capture and sequestering the CO2.

      However, let’s face it, in the USA there is intense political dislike of industry. Liberals would puke before supporting anything the fossil fuel industry wanted to do, no matter how sustainably. That’s why H2 fuel cells are viewed as death-to-society here in the USA.

      The other thing going on is a major trend to reject any and all “pollution” in our lives in America, a trend towards extreme chemophobia, no matter how low sub-atomic levels, if there is 99.9% emission controls and no human impact, liberals see it as still killing many Americans and racial genocide. As a young college student voiced in Michael Moore’s Plant of the Humans, all combustion must be banned.

      Now of course, we cannot run the world that way, but I guess USA is affluent enough to say NIMBY and we will rely in others to make stuff with combustion involved, and we can import that stuff until those poorer societies advance to our level our eliteness.

      Somehow we need liberals to get off their high horses, but in the meantime we cannot be killing everyone even if the killing is inferred by the liberals and is not really happening,

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