Cats Win Round One Over Birds At Assembly

by Steve Haner

Organized efforts to trap and sterilize feral cats, and then return them to roaming free, operate in legal limbo in Virginia. It is against the law to abandon a companion animal that you have taken into care. The latest attempt to change that has divided animal advocates into snarling camps.

Senate Bill 1390 is offered by Eastern Shore Senator Lynwood Lewis, and Tuesday received the approval of the Senate Agriculture, Conservation and Natural Resources Committee, 11-4. It will be on the full Senate floor this week. Lewis said the purpose is to make it clear that the programs, usually run by volunteers but sometimes by professional shelter operations, are legal.

In subcommittee testimony Monday afternoon, the animal care community split right down the middle once again, basically along the same lines that form when the issue is euthanasia. An unsuccessful anti-euthanasia, or “no-kill,” bill was the fault line in last year’s earthquake, as reported on Bacon’s Rebellion. This year, it is feral cats again.

I was in the middle of that fight for a few sessions on behalf of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), which runs a Norfolk shelter operation that performs euthanasia, with feral cats the most common animals killed. PETA is not totally opposed to the so-called “Trap, Neuter and Return” (TNR) approach, but it wants to see any feral cat colonies getting continuing human care.

Further disclaimer: Such an “adopted” feral cat colony exists on the Newport News Shipbuilding property, a pet project of a friend among my co-workers there. Many farms host colonies of barn cats, with varying levels of human care. There is nothing in this bill that requires human care post-release.

The fiercest opposition to this is coming from advocates for birds. Cats kill nearly 2 billion wild birds just in the United States alone, per year. Legislators heard and disregarded concerns from the Audubon Society, the Virginia Society of Ornithology, the Wildlife Center of Virginia, and the American Bird Conservancy.

Edward Clark, president of the Wildlife Center of Virginia, said others would (and they did) discuss the carnage caused by cats. He complained that:

This legislation is not a question about whether or not TNR works. This legislation is ONLY about whether or not those who BELIEVE it works and participate in TNR, should be exempted from the same rules and regulations that govern everyone else involved with domestic or companion animals.

That is what the bill does. It first establishes a new definition of “community cat” so that these feral cats are pulled out of the definition of “companion animal,” and then exempts people who engage in TNR from the prohibition on abandoning an animal. It also exempts “community cats” from the five-day hold requirement, so if it is your family pet, sayonara.

This is not a “no-kill” bill, yet it is another aspect of the same debate. The death of so many birds and other small wildlife is not the only problem with these feral populations. The TNR operations when run well do sterilize and vaccinate the animals. Despite the claims of Senator Lewis, however, nothing in this bill requires any of that. Nothing.

There are grey areas in the current situation. One locality with an active program, apparently, is Fairfax County. Former Fairfax legislator David Albo, hired to lobby by Alley Cat Allies, was the first witness in favor and pointed to that county’s TNR program as a success. He carefully did not claim that the feral cat population is down, but he claimed that over ten years the number of feral cats being turned in to the local shelter was cut in half.

“There is no mystery why their number of feral cats has gone down,” responded Sharon Adams of the Virginia Alliance for Animal Shelters. She said the Fairfax County shelter has a published policy of refusing to accept them, right in its intake policy. Such policies are common around the state, and PETA’s willingness to take them in Hampton Roads is one reason its euthanasia numbers are high.

Paulette Dean of the Danville Area Humane Society said 661 of the almost 1,500 cats her shelter accepted last year came from other localities, where shelters refused them. The fear of being attacked for high euthanasia numbers is usually the reason. Any cats are hard to place, and feral cats cannot be released to adoptive families.

No local government spokesman testified on either side. They will be under huge pressure to set up local TNR programs if the law clearly allows them. The Office of the Attorney General was also silent. It now has an active animal rights legal effort, so Attorney General Herring needs to be heard on this, publicly.

At times in my life, I have been owned (and bullied) by cats that I foolishly fed and housed, and I like cats. But I would not have turned any of them loose on the world to kill even more small critters than they did, despite how they would sometimes share their prey with us. This is not a complicated issue at all:  Trap, neuter and return (it used to be “release”), even with sterilization and shots in between, is a public health disaster.


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113 responses to “Cats Win Round One Over Birds At Assembly”

  1. I had a cat that killed voles. She captured chipmunks, too, but she preferred to bring them — alive — into the house. I don’t remember her killing any birds, though.

  2. I had a cat that killed voles. She captured chipmunks, too, but she preferred to bring them — alive — into the house. I don’t remember her killing any birds, though.

  3. m.dirickson@gmail.com Avatar
    m.dirickson@gmail.com

    I’m trying to figure out a couple of things:
    1. How does this impact vaccinating the citizens of the Commonwealth?
    2. Where is the priority on vaccinating the citizens of the Commonwealth?
    3. Isn’t this the same old partisan positioning: Cat people v Bird people v Dog people v Trump people?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      😊 Thought we all needed a change.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Virginia needs more and larger feral Cats, and fewer leftists. Perhaps the former can be trained to pursue the latter, in lieu of mice, rats, and birds. If so, it would solve a slew of problems at one clawed swipe.

  4. m.dirickson@gmail.com Avatar
    m.dirickson@gmail.com

    I’m trying to figure out a couple of things:
    1. How does this impact vaccinating the citizens of the Commonwealth?
    2. Where is the priority on vaccinating the citizens of the Commonwealth?
    3. Isn’t this the same old partisan positioning: Cat people v Bird people v Dog people v Trump people?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      😊 Thought we all needed a change.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Virginia needs more and larger feral Cats, and fewer leftists. Perhaps the former can be trained to pursue the latter, in lieu of mice, rats, and birds. If so, it would solve a slew of problems at one clawed swipe.

  5. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Up on Blue Mountain way down Moonshiner’s Way there is a cat colony living in a abandoned Pontiac Super Chief. It was routine on my old delivery route to shepherd cats out of the road. That is hard to do too. No tweety birds can be found on that side of the mountain.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Up on Blue Mountain way down Moonshiner’s Way there is a cat colony living in a abandoned Pontiac Super Chief. It was routine on my old delivery route to shepherd cats out of the road. That is hard to do too. No tweety birds can be found on that side of the mountain.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    ” In Australia, hunting by cats helped to drive at least 20 native mammals to extinction,[3] and continues to threaten at least 124 more.[3] Their introduction has caused the extinction of at least 33 endemic species on islands throughout the world.[2] Feral and domestic cats kill billions of birds in the United States every year, where songbird populations continue to decline.[4]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_predation_on_wildlife

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Catch-and-release, that’s like running down pedestrians in your car and then, when they get up and limp away, saying — Off you go! That’s fine. I just wanted to see if I could hit you. — Ellen DeGeneres, comedian, television host, and actress (b. 26 Jan 1958)

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    ” In Australia, hunting by cats helped to drive at least 20 native mammals to extinction,[3] and continues to threaten at least 124 more.[3] Their introduction has caused the extinction of at least 33 endemic species on islands throughout the world.[2] Feral and domestic cats kill billions of birds in the United States every year, where songbird populations continue to decline.[4]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_predation_on_wildlife

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Catch-and-release, that’s like running down pedestrians in your car and then, when they get up and limp away, saying — Off you go! That’s fine. I just wanted to see if I could hit you. — Ellen DeGeneres, comedian, television host, and actress (b. 26 Jan 1958)

  9. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Would that work for liberal male humans?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Aren’t we born neutered?

  10. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Would that work for liberal male humans?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Aren’t we born neutered?

  11. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    I like cats, I’ve had two as pets. Imo, feral cats should be trapped and euthanized. It is a very simple and kind solution to a huge problem. Barn cats are exempt, imo.

  12. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    I like cats, I’ve had two as pets. Imo, feral cats should be trapped and euthanized. It is a very simple and kind solution to a huge problem. Barn cats are exempt, imo.

    1. The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Very good. Fat Freddy’s Cat. He left a gift in Freddy’s headphones.

        Phineas T., Fat Freddy, and Freewheeling Frank. As Freewheeling Frank used to say, “Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.”

    1. The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Very good. Fat Freddy’s Cat. He left a gift in Freddy’s headphones.

        Phineas T., Fat Freddy, and Freewheeling Frank. As Freewheeling Frank used to say, “Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.”

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Wow, photos of Virginia’s ruling elite in the wild, in caucus, on holiday, planning Virginia’s future.

        1. Reed, don’t diss the wild pigs. You know they enjoy protected status here at Bacon’s Rebellion!

          1. Yum yum. There’s a delicate balance between protecting feral pigs and harvesting their delicious bacon.

        2. idiocracy Avatar

          Those are “FPV”s? “First Pigs of Virginia”?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Got one of these guys living behind the Yorktown Pub. Little guy will walk right up to you. He lives with a family of feral cats.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Got one of these guys living behind the Yorktown Pub. Little guy will walk right up to you. He lives with a family of feral cats.

  13. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Thanks for this post, Steve. Regardless of some of the comments here, it is a serious issue and folks get emotional about it. Every non-freshman member of the General Assembly knows the perils of putting in a bill dealing with animals.

  14. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Thanks for this post, Steve. Regardless of some of the comments here, it is a serious issue and folks get emotional about it. Every non-freshman member of the General Assembly knows the perils of putting in a bill dealing with animals.

  15. Steve thank you for the non COVID/former POTUS/violence/ post. I hadn’t seen one in ages.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Ma’am, in the last week I’ve heard you testify more times than I used to do it in an entire session. You are getting into this Zoom Session thing.

  16. Steve thank you for the non COVID/former POTUS/violence/ post. I hadn’t seen one in ages.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Ma’am, in the last week I’ve heard you testify more times than I used to do it in an entire session. You are getting into this Zoom Session thing.

  17. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    My neighbor feeds all the feral cats in the neighborhood. She also feeds the birds by scattering seed, and with half dozen hanging feeders.

    As a result there are opossums, raccoons, squirrels, rats, mice, wood roaches, and every vermin you can imagine.

    There are also hawks and falcons. Not unusal to see a redtail or Coopers snag a lunch. It’s only a problem when they decide to defur or defeather on my patio table. Kinda disgusting to find heads laying there.

    I keep the yard between us hosed down with peppermint and lemongrass oil.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Explains your tooth and claw approach here sometimes…

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        You’re safe. Peppermint oil wouldn’t cover the Republican smell.🙄 But it does work on rodents.

      2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Yup, them Coopers and Redtails been busy chopping heads off critters round here, too. I keep them dead heads on strings hung down bottom side up in the cold freezer air down from tree limbs. Now, with all that cold freezer air we got, betcha I got fifty dead heads hung before March that I’ll carry on down to Nancy Naive’s front yard to hang like Christmas ornaments for Nancy’s enjoyment as weather turns warm quick. That’ll get all Nancy’s neighbors out cheering and hooting at the sight, I betcha. And, Steve, you come along and party too.

    2. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      Too much of a good thing is never great. Any suggestions on how to deal with the 50+ vultures that feel compelled to roost in my treeline and are subsequently killing my trees? I am seriously considering hanging an effigy.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        The neighbor down the street had the vulture problem. He used blank shotgun shells. It worked too. Upset the carpetbaggers something terrible. The town got after the neighbor for all the blasting noise. The vultures have a new home. The oak tree in my backyard. Nasty creatures that make a big mess. My solution? I am cutting that tree down as soon as my saw come back from the shop.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Cutting the tree down seem kind of drastic. A good oak tree is a real asset, in many ways. Why not try your neighbor’s method?

      2. Have you tried the three “S”es?

      3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        If you live in the country, and I mean country, sticks, wide open spaces, a propane cannon should do the trick… especially loaded with screws and nails. Just kidding about the fasteners.

        The cannon can be set to random firing times and makes a helluva bang. Plus, you might be able to rent it. The only time I saw one was on a fishtrap in the York River. He didn’t have gulls.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          better yet, add a strobe, and wire both to a motion detector …

    3. Coyotes?

      We’ve got coyotes. They help keep the feral cat population down.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Chihuahuas too.

  18. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    My neighbor feeds all the feral cats in the neighborhood. She also feeds the birds by scattering seed, and with half dozen hanging feeders.

    As a result there are opossums, raccoons, squirrels, rats, mice, wood roaches, and every vermin you can imagine.

    There are also hawks and falcons. Not unusal to see a redtail or Coopers snag a lunch. It’s only a problem when they decide to defur or defeather on my patio table. Kinda disgusting to find heads laying there.

    I keep the yard between us hosed down with peppermint and lemongrass oil.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Explains your tooth and claw approach here sometimes…

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Yup, them Coopers and Redtails been busy chopping heads off critters round here, too. I keep them dead heads on strings hung down bottom side up in the cold freezer air down from tree limbs. Now, with all that cold freezer air we got, betcha I got fifty dead heads hung before March that I’ll carry on down to Nancy Naive’s front yard to hang like Christmas ornaments for Nancy’s enjoyment as weather turns warm quick. That’ll get all Nancy’s neighbors out cheering and hooting at the sight, I betcha. And, Steve, you come along and party too.

    2. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      Too much of a good thing is never great. Any suggestions on how to deal with the 50+ vultures that feel compelled to roost in my treeline and are subsequently killing my trees? I am seriously considering hanging an effigy.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        The neighbor down the street had the vulture problem. He used blank shotgun shells. It worked too. Upset the carpetbaggers something terrible. The town got after the neighbor for all the blasting noise. The vultures have a new home. The oak tree in my backyard. Nasty creatures that make a big mess. My solution? I am cutting that tree down as soon as my saw come back from the shop.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Cutting the tree down seem kind of drastic. A good oak tree is a real asset, in many ways. Why not try your neighbor’s method?

      2. Have you tried the three “S”es?

      3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        If you live in the country, and I mean country, sticks, wide open spaces, a propane cannon should do the trick… especially loaded with screws and nails. Just kidding about the fasteners.

        The cannon can be set to random firing times and makes a helluva bang. Plus, you might be able to rent it. The only time I saw one was on a fishtrap in the York River. He didn’t have gulls.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          better yet, add a strobe, and wire both to a motion detector …

    3. Coyotes?

      We’ve got coyotes. They help keep the feral cat population down.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Chihuahuas too.

  19. LarrytheG Avatar

    On islands where they have feral cat problems – they completely eradicate them and the methods are not “gentle”.

    Cats are not the only species. In other places, goats take over.

    When the species has no natural predator to keep it’s numbers down and in balance,

    ‘But the feral cat issue is another one that evokes deep passions, like abortion, autisim, and others.

    In our area, “no-kill” shelters is the word that people support. Out in Orange county, there is an private sector non-profit known as Rikki’s Refuge. It’s a couple hundred acres or more. It’s almost like Noah’s Ark in terms of different kinds of critters….. and a ton of cats.

    They are always asking for donations and they get my Amazon smile points.

    https://blog.rikkisrefuge.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/CHEWY-GIVES-BACK-CAT-Rikkis-Refuge-1024×577.png

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      New Zealand. The kiwi is under extreme pressure, all from cats. I think they treat cat and rat with the same deference.

      Unusual place. They have only one poisonous animal, the katypo, and work very hard to keep it that way.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        isn’t it Kiwi’s that eat the rubber off of vehicles… windshield wipers, etc?

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          I think thats crows or some parrot they have.. Kiwis are ground dwelling. Tough to reach a windshield wiper.

          https://www.doc.govt.nz/nature/pests-and-threats/animal-pests/feral-cats/

  20. LarrytheG Avatar

    On islands where they have feral cat problems – they completely eradicate them and the methods are not “gentle”.

    Cats are not the only species. In other places, goats take over.

    When the species has no natural predator to keep it’s numbers down and in balance,

    ‘But the feral cat issue is another one that evokes deep passions, like abortion, autisim, and others.

    In our area, “no-kill” shelters is the word that people support. Out in Orange county, there is an private sector non-profit known as Rikki’s Refuge. It’s a couple hundred acres or more. It’s almost like Noah’s Ark in terms of different kinds of critters….. and a ton of cats.

    They are always asking for donations and they get my Amazon smile points.

    https://blog.rikkisrefuge.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/CHEWY-GIVES-BACK-CAT-Rikkis-Refuge-1024×577.png

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      New Zealand. The kiwi is under extreme pressure, all from cats. I think they treat cat and rat with the same deference.

      Unusual place. They have only one poisonous animal, the katypo, and work very hard to keep it that way.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        isn’t it Kiwi’s that eat the rubber off of vehicles… windshield wipers, etc?

  21. LarrytheG Avatar

    Well, I bet this gets a rise out of Steve:

    Finance leaders to push now to take hard look at state income tax later

    “The leaders of the General Assembly finance committees are laying the groundwork now for a hard look at Virginia tax policy – particularly how the state taxes income – for possible action as early as next year after election of a new governor and House of Delegates.

    Senate Finance Chairwoman Janet Howell, D-Fairfax, said Tuesday that she is forming a special joint subcommittee to look at the state’s income tax and whether to make it more progressive by tying tax rates more closely to how much income people earn.”

    https://fredericksburg.com/business/local/finance-leaders-to-push-now-to-take-hard-look-at-state-income-tax-later/article_c74d07b8-a38e-5658-8ece-493d1d17f27e.html

    Have to say, the Dems must be pretty confident to tee up this issue right in front of upcomming elections especially for Governor.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Just do like Florida, Texas, and New Hampshire. Eliminate State income tax and double-plus the RE tax.

      Those idiots in those states brag about not paying State income tax while actually paying more. It’s the equivalent of a TEA Party member paying the State DMV extra money for their snake plates.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        always amused at the sentiment of putting “don’t tread on me” on your car – which is basically IS a government installed tracking number so they can find and track you if need be.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          … find and tread on… if need be.

          The company I worked for in Texas was moving to Arizona. The rank and file began complaining about the Arizona income tax. The company took the Texas tax and compard it to the expected Arizona tax and it showed a $1000/yr advantage to the employees.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      They are not “teeing it up.” They are punting it for at least two years of delay. This is not a sign of courage….

      Yep, Nancy, one way or the other you pay….

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        As your side is so fond of saying, “Nothing comes free.”

        But, if you extract the pound of flesh in just the right way, the victim is thrilled to participate. Take liposuction.

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        But it meets Jim Sherlock’s plea for studying all the ramifications of a big issue for at least a year before voting on it.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Well, so much for the strike while the iron is hot. But then, perhaps like revenge and gazpacho, tax codes are a soup best served cold.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          I think anytime you mess with income tax rates, it’s going to be problematic politically unless it’s a big reform and folks can’t really figure out of the ins and outs right away! That’s the cynic in me.

          But one of the issues that seems to not be dealt with is the one where certain higher income is taxed at lower rates than ordinary income and those become places where higher income folks essentially shield their income from progressive tax rates.

          It takes a good tax specialist to do the strategy but then again , it’s cheap if you already have the wealth.

  22. LarrytheG Avatar

    Well, I bet this gets a rise out of Steve:

    Finance leaders to push now to take hard look at state income tax later

    “The leaders of the General Assembly finance committees are laying the groundwork now for a hard look at Virginia tax policy – particularly how the state taxes income – for possible action as early as next year after election of a new governor and House of Delegates.

    Senate Finance Chairwoman Janet Howell, D-Fairfax, said Tuesday that she is forming a special joint subcommittee to look at the state’s income tax and whether to make it more progressive by tying tax rates more closely to how much income people earn.”

    https://fredericksburg.com/business/local/finance-leaders-to-push-now-to-take-hard-look-at-state-income-tax-later/article_c74d07b8-a38e-5658-8ece-493d1d17f27e.html

    Have to say, the Dems must be pretty confident to tee up this issue right in front of upcomming elections especially for Governor.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      They are not “teeing it up.” They are punting it for at least two years of delay. This is not a sign of courage….

      Yep, Nancy, one way or the other you pay….

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        As your side is so fond of saying, “Nothing comes free.”

        But, if you extract the pound of flesh in just the right way, the victim is thrilled to participate. Take liposuction.

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        But it meets Jim Sherlock’s plea for studying all the ramifications of a big issue for at least a year before voting on it.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          I think anytime you mess with income tax rates, it’s going to be problematic politically unless it’s a big reform and folks can’t really figure out of the ins and outs right away! That’s the cynic in me.

          But one of the issues that seems to not be dealt with is the one where certain higher income is taxed at lower rates than ordinary income and those become places where higher income folks essentially shield their income from progressive tax rates.

          It takes a good tax specialist to do the strategy but then again , it’s cheap if you already have the wealth.

        2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Well, so much for the strike while the iron is hot. But then, perhaps like revenge and gazpacho, tax codes are a soup best served cold.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Just do like Florida, Texas, and New Hampshire. Eliminate State income tax and double-plus the RE tax.

      Those idiots in those states brag about not paying State income tax while actually paying more. It’s the equivalent of a TEA Party member paying the State DMV extra money for their snake plates.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        always amused at the sentiment of putting “don’t tread on me” on your car – which is basically IS a government installed tracking number so they can find and track you if need be.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          … find and tread on… if need be.

          The company I worked for in Texas was moving to Arizona. The rank and file began complaining about the Arizona income tax. The company took the Texas tax and compard it to the expected Arizona tax and it showed a $1000/yr advantage to the employees.

  23. LarrytheG Avatar

    hmmm.. dead heads and BR… hmmm

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Say no more. You’ve struck the nail on the… huh, whaddya know, the head.

  24. LarrytheG Avatar

    hmmm.. dead heads and BR… hmmm

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Say no more. You’ve struck the nail on the… huh, whaddya know, the head.

  25. I love cats. We have two right now, 11 year old sisters from the same litter. They are 100% indoor cats.

    Trap, neuter, release is by no means an ideal solution to the feral cat problem, but I think it is better than leaving colonies of cats to reproduce unchecked.

  26. I love cats. We have two right now, 11 year old sisters from the same litter. They are 100% indoor cats.

    Trap, neuter, release is by no means an ideal solution to the feral cat problem, but I think it is better than leaving colonies of cats to reproduce unchecked.

  27. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    The GA needs to collect data on these cats so we can determine the equity of the legislation.
    Will cats of color or female cats be disproportionately affected by the legislation?

  28. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    The GA needs to collect data on these cats so we can determine the equity of the legislation.
    Will cats of color or female cats be disproportionately affected by the legislation?

  29. KimMarie108 Avatar
    KimMarie108

    While “no-kill” may sound nice, it actually abandons animals who are then forced to die painfully slow deaths on the streets or fall victim to cruel people or speeding vehicles, which is worse. Open admission shelters are the true heroes and should be supported by all.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      some really are though:

      Rikki’s Refuge Animal Sanctuary

      Rikki’s Refuge in Orange County, Virginia, is a 450-acre, no-kill, all species peaceful sanctuary supported solely by donations from kind and loving individuals.

      The refuge is home to almost 1300 animals of over 22 different species, including but not limited to cats, dogs, sheep, goats, rabbits, pigs, emus, cows, chickens, ducks, geese, a chukar, peacocks, and more. It is owned and operated by Life Unlimited of Virginia, Inc. an approved not-for profit Virginia Corporation and IRS tax code 501(c)(3) corporation as determined by the IRS. Federal Tax-ID number 54-1911042. A financial statement is available upon written request from the State Office of Consumer Affairs.

      https://rikkisrefuge.org/

  30. KimMarie108 Avatar
    KimMarie108

    While “no-kill” may sound nice, it actually abandons animals who are then forced to die painfully slow deaths on the streets or fall victim to cruel people or speeding vehicles, which is worse. Open admission shelters are the true heroes and should be supported by all.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      some really are though:

      Rikki’s Refuge Animal Sanctuary

      Rikki’s Refuge in Orange County, Virginia, is a 450-acre, no-kill, all species peaceful sanctuary supported solely by donations from kind and loving individuals.

      The refuge is home to almost 1300 animals of over 22 different species, including but not limited to cats, dogs, sheep, goats, rabbits, pigs, emus, cows, chickens, ducks, geese, a chukar, peacocks, and more. It is owned and operated by Life Unlimited of Virginia, Inc. an approved not-for profit Virginia Corporation and IRS tax code 501(c)(3) corporation as determined by the IRS. Federal Tax-ID number 54-1911042. A financial statement is available upon written request from the State Office of Consumer Affairs.

      https://rikkisrefuge.org/

  31. djrippert Avatar

    Five years ago I adopted a feral puppy. Found with his brother in a bank parking lot. Parents were wild, grandparents were wild. Etc.

    Best. Dog. Ever.

    Only one thing – he hates cats. A fabulously smart and friendly dog … he would crawl through hell to get to a cat.

    In return for the Pontiac Super Chief I will bring my dog to the cat haven.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Hmmm, a genetically acquired taste for cat meat perhaps? Kind of like an Icelander’s taste for fetid shark meat.

  32. djrippert Avatar

    Five years ago I adopted a feral puppy. Found with his brother in a bank parking lot. Parents were wild, grandparents were wild. Etc.

    Best. Dog. Ever.

    Only one thing – he hates cats. A fabulously smart and friendly dog … he would crawl through hell to get to a cat.

    In return for the Pontiac Super Chief I will bring my dog to the cat haven.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Hmmm, a genetically acquired taste for cat meat perhaps? Kind of like an Icelander’s taste for fetid shark meat.

  33. LarrytheG Avatar

    Most of our dogs were cast-offs over the years. We found two on a river trip – on a rock in the middle of the river looking lonely and forlorn.

    One had a collar but no tag. We spend the next week advertising that we found them and wanted to return them. We never found the owner of one but the other owner said we could have him because he was a “chicken-killer” and that did not set well with the owner so we got them both and the good thing about two (among many less than good things) is that they get to be best buds and tend to be happy fellas.

    Both of them were very kind to kittens but did not take well to adults hissing at them, of course they felt the same way about snakes hissing at them also.

    1. One of the best dogs we ever had was a lost/stray half-grown black lab mix who was walking down the country road we lived on one June morning. She turned off the road, walked up our driveway, approached my wife, offered her a paw. She was given the name June and she was with us until she passed about 11 years later.

      June loved everybody and everything except people who came in her yard without asking first.

  34. LarrytheG Avatar

    Most of our dogs were cast-offs over the years. We found two on a river trip – on a rock in the middle of the river looking lonely and forlorn.

    One had a collar but no tag. We spend the next week advertising that we found them and wanted to return them. We never found the owner of one but the other owner said we could have him because he was a “chicken-killer” and that did not set well with the owner so we got them both and the good thing about two (among many less than good things) is that they get to be best buds and tend to be happy fellas.

    Both of them were very kind to kittens but did not take well to adults hissing at them, of course they felt the same way about snakes hissing at them also.

    1. One of the best dogs we ever had was a lost/stray half-grown black lab mix who was walking down the country road we lived on one June morning. She turned off the road, walked up our driveway, approached my wife, offered her a paw. She was given the name June and she was with us until she passed about 11 years later.

      June loved everybody and everything except people who came in her yard without asking first.

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