Can Virginia Tap into California’s Liquid Gold Rush?

by Bill Tracy

Jed Clampett of the Beverly Hillbillies struck it rich when his wayward shotgun blast accidently discovered Black Gold. Regrettably, due to his fossil fuel habit, we must now cancel old Jed for his crimes against humanity and his wanton destruction of the planet.

Today there is a newfangled, politically acceptable liquid gold for Jed: corn oil. Not just corn oil, but soybean oil, palm oil, animal fats, grease drippings from McDonalds, and the list goes on and on. Though scientifically known as “triglycerides” to us chemists, we usually just call them “veggie oils”.

In an attempt to reduce carbon emissions, California is giving big financial subsidies to manufacturers of “advanced” biodiesel made from veggie oils. Across the USA, and overseas, too, the rush is on to gather up veggie oils and build plants to make clean diesel for California.

So, I got to wondering. Could Virginia can get a piece of this green gold rush?

To an old engineer like me, biodiesel is an interesting topic. Conventional biodiesel is so easy to make that you can whip it up in your own kitchen (not recommended if you are married). Just mix veggie oil with wood alcohol. A “trans-esterification” reaction occurs, which coverts the veggie oil into biodiesel, and some waste products. This type of biodiesel is already widely used as a blend component.

However, the premium green diesel that California seeks is called “advanced” biodiesel, requiring a more complex chemical process in which the veggie oils are fully hydrogenated, using H2, at high temperature and pressure. This can be accomplished in new “grass roots” processing plants or in re-purposed oil refinery style equipment. In either case, out pops a very clean, paraffin-based diesel fuel. It is chemically equivalent to some of the hydrocarbons already present in regular diesel fuels — imagine separating out the cleanest burning portion of the diesel molecules.

This is what California wants to use in its fleet, until such time as other alternatives such as fuel cell trucks become available.

I don’t know if California’s advanced biodiesel scheme scales up well for implementation in Virginia. For starters, California is expected to suck up all the spare veggie oil supplies. Plus, diesel fuel often has cold weather concerns. Club Med Cali doesn’t need to worry about polar vortexes. Additionally, California’s air stagnation along the coast makes a compelling case for eliminating diesel that is harder to make in Virginia. And then there’s the trivial matter of billions of dollars of subsidies to make the process work. I’m not sure where the money would come from.

Perhaps Virginia can do what companies in other states and countries are doing: make the stuff and ship it to the Left Coast. We could grow more corn or, what I prefer, Canola seed plants with their expansive fields of pretty yellow flowers.

Anyhow, food for thought.

Bill Tracy, a retired engineer, lives in Northern Virginia.


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34 responses to “Can Virginia Tap into California’s Liquid Gold Rush?”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    I think with its intensive ag businesses, Virginia may be more suited to the production of biogas (as in methane) rather than biodiesel. Ag waste (and we have a lot of that in VA) can become a feedstock vs. a surface water pollutant. From that start, it would not be hard to shift to a cultivated biomass feedstock.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      No, we’re going to grow solar panels by the square mile.

      But of course this shows without a doubt that even California morons understand 1) the public is not going to willingly switch to electric and give up their internal combustion engines and 2) plenty of cases where an EV will not work. Dominion with its “out clause” on its EV announcement the other day showed that, too.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Ah, there it is. biogas.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      I would favor Ag waste technology too. But I do not see why advanced biodiesel might not also be fitting for us.

      A long time ago, former Sen Jim Webb wrote to me saying he was bullish on switchgrass for biofuels, is why he supported renewables for exploitation by Virginia. I would think biodiesel from say corn or soybean oil, or other veggies, makes much more sense.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Fascinating article. Thanks. It sent me off to look at this:

    ” Biodiesel produces 2661 grams of CO2 per gallon, compared to 12,360 grams per gallon for petroleum diesel fuel. is small, but growing quickly. There are seven producers in the United States today.”

    and then reading Eric’s point – will need to use farming equipment that also produces emissions.

    In the end – is cultivated “fuel” less polluting than extracted fossil fuel?

    In the end, can internal combustion engines ever be “clean enough” no matter the fuel? Are there potential fuels that will burn with near zero emissions? I know hydrogen can (I think).

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Something will be “cultivated” there, Larry. The tractor emission will be the same regardless. Certainly biogas (methane) is a viable IC engine fuel.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Okay – so cultivated new fuel verses harvesting waste and converting to fuel?

        Or is the path to recycled bio-mass fuels ? (Human poo converted into reusable fuel and fertiliser in new study).

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          I think start with a waste-to-fuel program to build the infrastructure then shift to cultivated biomass to fuel to expand the program/industry.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I’m wondering if EVs trump other fuels.

            Can one gallon of any fuel burned to produce electricity that is then delivered to a vehicle deliver more or less net energy than if that fuel were put into a pipeline/tank truck / storage tank at POS ?

            which way delivers more net energy?

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Inefficiencies in the conversion to electric power means it is better used to directly power the vehicle. Direct conversion to power is more efficient vs conversion to electricity then conversion to power.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            to directly power the vehicle, you got to get it to the vehicle, no?

            If you push that gallon through pipelines and tank trucks – is that more efficient that burning it at a power plant and pushing the electricity to the car?

            I simply do not know, although I see various articles…but most are more complicated that I can really understand.

            electricity would be a universal fuel as opposed to the various different kinds of liquid fuel that have to be kept in separate tanks and segregated in pipelines, etc..

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Storage is the issue with electricity and costs $$. Gas has built in storage as does liquid fuel. Not sure on the final comparison though because, yes, gas has to be compressed to move and use. Electricity also has infrastructure issues relative to transmission so that may be a wash in the end.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      I believe the life-cycle analysis is debated, in fact a colleague just sent me a conference notice on that topic. But I do tend to agree biodiesel probably makes eco-more sense than corn-based ethanol. Not sure about the advanced biodiesel, but it should also be efficient. Hydrogenating those oils makes tons of waste heat.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Corn based ethanol! Burning it? Hell no. Burn perfectly good refreshments? What are ya, nuts?

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Diesel in general produces way less CO and CO2 than does gasoline, but it does produce something else that’s just as bad. Can’t recall. NO? Soot, definitely.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        and far safer on our rag boats

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Amen brother. There’s nothing that puts a pucker in your shorts like the bilge pump coming on and seeing a sheen on the water.

          If it’s diesel, you rip through the boat looking for a leak.

          If it’s gasoline, you hop in the dink and leave.

  3. tmtfairfax Avatar
    tmtfairfax

    Sounds like a new plan for rent seekers to get their hands on other people’s money. If this is viable, why not wait for the market to respond? There are businesses that get grease and oils from restaurants for bio-diesel for years. If farmers want to sell crops for bio-diesel manufacturers, let them but keep the government out of the way.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      I hear you, but aren’t are we entering a new world where subsidies make the world go ’round? Trillions of dollars coming from Biden, to subsidize the transition to the new society that will not use fossil fuels anymore. No longer is economics a concern. We need to do what the Supreme Liberal Think Tank agrees to support. We need to apply to them for technology approvals and money.

      I have some colleagues who some years ago tried to argue “scientifically” that electric cars were too expensive. But I think they under-estimated the impact of government mandates and subsidies to reduce prices by essentially putting the cost burden on other vehicles.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Any discussion of E-85?

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      I am not hearing much talk of that yet. But if Congress mandates electric vehicles, I believe they will also give serious consideration to maintaining King Corn’s position in the fuel market. That could be increasing to E15 for example. The bottom line is US liberals believe the US fossil fuel industry needs to be choked out of existence by government edict. Cali is trying to run the state without fossil fuels, is what it amounts to.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Most of the worlds auto companies seem to think that also (not sure they’re all liberals ), but they’re betting instead on EV and electricity being the “universal fuel”, don’t need 40 different kinds of fuels and blends…

        I think these other “fuels” will be for vehicles that can’t be EV at least not now. Construction equipment, ships, etc…

  5. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    When I say above ” I’m not sure where the money would come from.” I know where California probably gets the money: Carbon taxes. For about 5-6 years now Cali has been taxing carbon.

    So, last week, when we were talking about state gasoline taxes, Cali is getting to over $1 per gallon total tax, and that still does not include the carbon taxes which are billed directly to the manufacturers. I might soon try to use my “Costco index” to estimate carbon taxes per gallon in Cali.

  6. Subsidies by taxpayers, higher food costs, and how exactly does ‘paraffin based’ fuel react with the internals of the internal combustion engine?

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      There all already a lot of paraffins in diesel fuel. The advantage of the “advanced” biodiesel is that it is chemically equivalent to dino diesel fuel. Also diesel engines absolutely love paraffins…that is the best fuel ever. However, paraffins are also known as waxes so that is one issue, cold weather, but not necessarily an unsolvable problem.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I thought, given the news that most automakers are moving to EVs (for passenger cars) , that they were moving away from internal combustion engines except for larger trucks, construction and farm equipment, and locomotives.

    Most of the worlds large ships still run on diesel. Most of the worlds islands still use diesel for electricity.

    So wondering if this is more about vehicles other than passenger cars.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Why do US auto makers want EV? What do they care? unless they feel that helps them compete better since (hint, hint) Japan does not like EV’s so much, Japan likes hybrids. Why do utilities want EV so bad? Hint: they sell electricity. You need to consider enlightened self interest, and political favoritism, more than you do.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        How about Europe and Korea?

        I just don’t think this is about USA Dems…

        call me a skeptic.

        1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
          energyNOW_Fan

          Korea I dunno what they are doing. Europe is recovering a huge mistake with expanding diesel on false pretenses of diesel being eco-superior. Also they always had different needs than we do. And they will not be anti-hybrid like the Democrats are here. When EU talks electric cars, they mean hybrid+ plug-in hybrid+EV, not forcing everyone into full EV like we are proposing here.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Yeah, and get stuck in traffic behind a biodiesel burning truck… a solid hour and a half with an inexplicable insatiable craving for french fries and potato chips.

    Anything that doesn’t take ground carbon and recycles what’s in the air already is a-okay. Still got that soot problem though.

    14 or 13 yes, 12 no.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Oh, Nancy, not all PM 2.5 is bad. Green PM 2.5 is a social good!!

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Cough or sneeze. Your choice.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      The advanced biodiesel would not smell like french fries. I don’t know yet if it reduces emissions vs. diesel. Keep in mind California for decades already has its own cleaner diesel fuel from their refineries, called CARB diesel. So I do not know if there is much eco-gain for them for biodiesel other than possibly net carbon emissions.

  9. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Just saw this article…says the oil majors are going to start processing veggie oils….we gotta start buying seeds today Virginia! Plant in Spring.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-exxon-chevron-look-renewable-051238319.html

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