But It’s Just a Little Bit of Money

Rep. Ben Cline (Va.-6th District)

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

Ben Cline, the Commonwealth’s Republican member of the U.S House of Representatives from the 6th District, is very upset about the level of federal spending and the state of the federal deficit.

Cline is chairman of the Republican Study Committee’s Budget and Spending Task Force.  In a press release last year, he lamented the trillions in new spending authorized by the Democrats in recent years and the $31.92 trillion in national debt. (He does not mention the trillions in debt rung up during the Trump years.)  The study committee has a proposal that would “balance the budget in just seven years, cut spending by $16.3 trillion over 10 years and reduce Americans’ taxes by $5.1 trillion over 10 years.”

As part of that overall plan, Cline’s task force produced an alternative budget for 2024.  I have to give Cline and the task force some credit.  Usually, when conservatives call for spending cuts, they refuse to say what specific items should be cut or eliminated.  That is not the case with this document.  It has over 120 pages listing specific programs for elimination or reduced funding.  After dealing with Social Security, Medicare, and defense, the budget has about 30 pages of specific mandatory and discretionary spending programs it recommends eliminating or reducing.

Most of the programs targeted for elimination or reduction are things Republicans tend not to like—such as anything to do with climate or “liberal woke ideology.”  Readers of this blog may be surprised that there are some recommendations in the alternative budget with which I agree.  These include eliminating the use of “taxpayer funds to bail out the creditors of large, ’systemically significant’ financial institutions.  Taxpayers should not be the emergency piggy bank for poor decision-making by financial institutions and corporations.”   Also, the calls to reform the commodity subsidy and crop insurance programs so that they do not disproportionately benefit wealthier farmers is a good recommendation.  Finally, there is a proposal to phase out the sugar program whose subsidies have resulted in sugar prices for Americans that are “more than 100 percent higher than world prices.”  Liberal groups have been calling for this action for many years.

With some more time, I am sure that I could find some other items in the list of eliminations or cuts with which I would agree.  However, in light of recent events, this proposal does give one pause:

“Reduce Funding for the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service – Certain functions of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) program should be carried out by the industries this service regulates. This budget would reduce funding commensurately.”

But I digress.

It turns out that Rep. Cline is not against all additional spending.  As reported by The Washington Post, the budget bills reported by the Appropriations Committee, of which Cline is a member, include an earmark of $42.1 million for widening portions of I-81 in western Virginia.  That funding was requested by Rep. Cline.  As the saying goes, the importance of a project is in the eyes of the beholder.


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60 responses to “But It’s Just a Little Bit of Money”

  1. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Ahh yes, but my bridge to nowhere is very important.

    Years ago, while reading an article on such things as Livermore’s Things To Do In A Nuclear War, I read an account of a group that was hired/tasked in the 1950s for developing evacuation plans for the WH, Congress, SCOTUS, etc. The individual plans all had one thing in common, evacuation of the plan authors.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      Those plans were the inspiration for the scene in Dr. Strangelove where he touts his fantasy of hordes of women and select men surviving the nuclear exchange weren’t they?

      Then there’s the mountainside not far from D.C. that opens up so the select few can enter.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Mind you, I didn’t see the plans, just that report about them. I believe they were declassified in the 1980s. That’s when it became widely known about the authors being on all lists, but it’s probable that it was known to people in Hollywood long before that. They get a lot right for just guessing.

      2. Then there’s the mountainside not far from D.C. that opens up so the select few can enter.

        Mt. Weather?

          1. A long time ago, I was allowed inside that facility to inspect the wastewater treatment plant. It, too, is contained within the mountain.

  2. DJRippert Avatar

    Oh, and HEAVEN FORBID that Rt 81 be widened through a public-private partnership where the road is sold to Transurban – who widens the road and then charges sky-high tolls for the next 75 years.

    That antidote to spending is only administered in Northern Virginia while the buffoons NoVa elects to the General Assembly debate the use of pronouns in middle schools.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Probably the major obstacle to tolls on interstates is the federal government. Federal law dealing with tolls on interstates is a mish-mash, but, generally speaking, they are not allowed, with the exception of HOT lanes, which you have in NoVa, but are not feasible on I-81.

      Intestingly, however, a governor you have much crititized on this blog did propose just that–imposing tolls on I-81. In 2019, Governor Ralph Northam, along with a bipartisan group of legislators, proposed imposing tolls along the 325-mile length of I-81 in Virginia, to pay for the estimated $2.2 billion cost of expansion and safety upgrades. Even if the GA had approved the plan, it would have had to been approved by the feds and Northam had identified three possible alternatives for gaining approval. https://enotrans.org/article/virginia-proposes-tolling-325-miles-of-interstate-81/

      The bill that was introduced would have provided the Commonwealth Transportation Board to establish tolls on I-81. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+sum+HB2718&191+sum+HB2718

      However, the legislation quickly crashed and burned due to opposition from a myriad of sources, ranging from the trucking industry to residents at one end of I-81 objecting to having to pay tolls to improve part of the highway they never used to legislators in Northern Virginia (They objected to the provision that residents along I-81 could buy an annual pass for $30, while their constituents may have to pay that much for a single trip. The administration tried to differentiate between congestion pricing in NoVa and traveling on I-81, but Dick Saslaw wasn’t buying it.) https://roanoke.com/news/politics/general_assembly/regional-disagreements-on-funding-i–fixes-halts-legislation/article_de265b35-b8b4-5555-a85a-ea7527715cec.html

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        So, Cline wants $42.2M against a total tab of $2.2B. Why bother? Just a little pork to remind the homies that Cline brings home the bacon?

        As far as I see, about 2,900 miles of the 49,500 miles of the interstate highway system are tolled.

        So, what happened with I-81? I remember the debate but not the outcome.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          You nailed it on the numbers. It’s a bogus document.

          re: I-81, they tried but the localities along I-81 fought it tooth and nail because they believed there would be far fewer trucks – which if you think about it would for some of us be a GOOD Thing!

          But you refuse to understand how modern day tolling works.

          It’s primarily a tool to manage congestion levels especially at peak hour where gridlock is an issue.

          Look around to where tolls are being implemented. Like where your kids are in Texas and in Florida … mostly in urbanized areas where building additonal roads is not a viable option. They are out of room to expand the transportation network overall and so the tolls are to encourage people to time shift or pay a fair share for their share of the road at rush hour.

          It’s actually a Reason Foundation concept that is similar to how airlines price their seats. I’m sure you do that and yet you don’t complain about being ripped -off by jacked up prices.. it’s a total valid free market concept to allocate resources by price.

          1. DJRippert Avatar

            Your argument would be more correct if the state built the roads and only assessed tolls when there was congestion. But, the gutless politicos in Virginia don’t build the roads – they sell the roads to Transurban. And Transurban charges a toll even if it’s 3:00 am and nobody is on the road except you.

            Then, there’s the Dulles Greenway. It costs $5.25 to transit the 26.68 miles of that road when it’s not rush hour. The cost during rush hour? $5.80.

            Not exactly a congestion control algorithm.

            Just a way of bilking Northern Virginia for something that would be free (or vastly less expensive) anywhere else in Virginia.

            And how much does it cost to transit 1/2 the distance on the Dulles Greenway?

            The same amount!

            Not only does that road not adjust for congestion in a meaningful way it doesn’t even adjust for distance.

            That’s how incompetent our government is in Virginia.

          2. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            “Just a way of bilking Northern Virginia for something that would be free (or vastly less expensive) anywhere else in Virginia.”

            As if it’s not enough already that Northern Virginia helps pay the way for the economic basket case that is Rest of Virginia.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            A secondary road with a couple thousand cars a day is vastly cheaper to maintain than dozens, hundreds of 6, 8, 12 lane roads with 80,000 cars a day.

            The amount of money need to pay for a rural county is peanuts compared to NoVa counties.

            In a way, maybe NoVa is being subsidized when they pay the same per mile to drive on a multi-million dollar road that a rural guy pays to drive on some secondary with no shoulders and potholes!

            there are way more drivers
            sharing the cost in NoVa so not sure how it shakes out on per mile per individual basis.

          4. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            A road with 80,000 cars a day generates 100 times the gas tax revenue of one with 800 cars a day, all else being equal.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            does it cost 100 times as much to build, maintain, operate

          6. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            It’s not 100 times as wide. It’s not 100 times as thick. It’s not repaved 100 times as often.

          7. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            That’s all self-reported data from VDOT. Nobody from Reason foundation actually looked at any roads themselves.

            Garbage in, garbage out.

            Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods, Old Church Rd was closed for flooding for the 2nd day in a row.

          8. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Yes, and it doesn’t actually flood at that bridge, and the warning signs were installed by Prince William County and don’t work, a waste of money.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar

            yeah… I could see that…the road drops on the curve? I suspect the sign went up after some
            accident and cries to “do something”

          10. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Yea, the bridge is at the lowest elevation and I wonder if the reason it’s flooding is that there’s a bunch of trash under the bridge which is blocking water flow. I’d go check myself, but as you can see there is no where to park.

          11. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Our neck of the woods has been flooding since the Jurassic age. East of the Catoctin/Bull Run Mountains and west of Rt 28. From Dulles to south of Culpepper. Weird geographic area that has never drained well. I remember this from my VT geology class.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d1401160b1f2b6f4e23cff9ad3f7039bd665cf12bca75de88b4bbe397c949fb9.jpg

          12. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I saw pictures of the Manassas flooding during Hurricane Agnes, but I’ve never seen any pictures of what the the Bristow Rd / Old Church Rd / Lucasville Rd area looked like during that time. Wonder if any were ever taken.

            As far as that part of Manassas goes, the only thing I’m aware that they’ve ever done about flooding was to build a bridge on Lomond South Drive (near where it changes names to Lomond Drive), about 40 years after it really needed to be done.

          13. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            The Dulles Greenway is privately-owned. It was built back when privitization of public services was the big thing. You can thank private enterprise for the tolls on that road.

          14. LarrytheG Avatar

            As usual…

            They did not “sell” the roads. They leased them and it’s a bargain because investors came up with the money much quicker than VDOT could and they took the risk instead of VDOT.

            re: ” Your argument would be more correct if the state built the roads and only assessed tolls when there was congestion”

            that’s precisely what they do. The tolls increase when congestion increases.

            There is still a minimum toll because they are also responsible for the cost of maintenance and operations – that Va taxpayers do not pay but instead the people that use that road.

            The Dulles toll is an older one with now-obsolete tolling concept. They ought to make it like the express lanes.

            I’d call Virginia and VDOT competent to use a free market solution utilizing private sector companies and workers vice more taxpayer funded State workers and bureaucracy.

            Can’t please you guys… the idea of govt and taxes or private sector and tolls just roils your rumps!

            Gotta make up your mind – do you want a tax-collecting govt bureaucracy doing roads or a free-market cost-effective private sector?

            I see more and more support of the express lanes down Fredericksburg way. Folks like the reliable time and they’re getting more and more back to carpooling and ridesharing for doing the same commute trip every day.

            Ya’ll should appreciate it up in NOVa, less cars on the roads at rush hour!

          15. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            The Dulles Greenway is privately-owned. It was built back when privitization of public services was the big thing. You can thank private enterprise for the tolls on that road.

          16. DJRippert Avatar

            No, I can thank the incompetent state government which couldn’t just build the road for what was already in the budget – which is what would have happened outside of NoVa. Or, built the roads and installed tolls to collect monies for as long as it took to pay back the construction costs.

            Once complete state government incompetence is manifest, the arrival of predatory corporations is almost a pre-ordained event.

            And, of course, the inability of the bureaucracy to effectively negotiate with those mean, old Capitalist entities only leaves those living in the area more upset and more willing to leave for elsewhere.

            And at $5.80 each way = $11.60 per day. Times 5 days a week = $58 / week. Times 48 weeks per year = $2,784. At a 40% total tax rate – $3,897 per year (before taxes) income required to pay the tolls on the Greenway. And, in NoVa, you will usually be paying more tolls if you are headed ti DC.

            Overpriced with a lousy quality of life and Virginia’s financial “bread basket”. What could go wrong?

          17. LarrytheG Avatar

            You must not remember why some places and locales in Virginia are known as “tollgate”. Where the private sector and not the govt built the road and charged for it!

            And the cost of the construction is but 1/3 of the total cost. Operation and Maintenance are the other costs and can be 1/2 of the total costs!

            You complain all the time about incompetent govt and even more when a private entity take over like with roads.

            You apparently want govt to do roads and not the private sector. Why not?
            They are more efficient and productive and yes they do get profits which works a little like a tax!

            I’d vote to have the private sector take over the maintenance and operation of all roads after they are initially built by the private sector.

            Set some basic rules to require them to not gouge and let them do it with tolls so that people who use the roads and not taxpayers will pay for them.

            why not?

          18. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            The working class that passes thru this region does not use the toll road. They slug it out on Rt. 28, Rt 50, and Rt 7. The Greenway and the Dulles Toll Road are for the bourgeois only.

          19. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Dulles Toll road was painful when you had no other choice, it was a much easier decision to go through McLean to get to Arlington when 66IWB toll went live.

    2. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      I’m actually surprised that Lee Carter only lasted 2 terms.

      Guess even Manassas has a limit to what they’ll tolerate from their politicians.

  3. LesGabriel Avatar
    LesGabriel

    One aspect of government spending that doesn’t get much attention is the grant process. Congress allocates billions of dollars for things they want to see happen and then doles out this to individuals and groups that write proposals for specific projects. There is even an industry built around writing winning proposals.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      They do. But do you know what percent of the total budget they are?

      That’s the problem. These expenditures are small compared to the total budget. You won’t get much by cutting them unless you methodically go to every nook and cranny of the Federal Govt and do the deed.

      Big cuts are only possible for things like Health Care and Defense/Homeland Security.

      Everything else is small percentages.

      It’s not a Dem or GOP budget nor a Biden nor a Trump budget but when you already have a deficit prior to Covid and you do tax cuts that do not pay for themselves, you end up with a bigger deficit and then covid hits… and depending on who one believes, COVID was a hoax and we just spent money willy nilly – “we’ both houses of Congress and the POTUS signed it!

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    I got to go off and read that budget! Last time I looked, about 3/4 of it was either Defense/Homeland Security and Healthcare. The rest of it is a tick on a dogs butt…

    The way they include Social Security has always annoyed me.

    Social Security and Medicare Part A (not B) are not part of the discretionary budget because they are not funded by the general fund.

    They have their own dedicated funding – the FICA Tax.

    “Cutting Social Security won’t help the budget one penny.

    It’s an entirely separate issue that has to do with the sustainability of SS/Medicare Part A between benefits and funding and it’s not driven by “excess spending or deficit”, the issue is driven by demographics – primarily and aging workforce and fewer workers paying FICA taxes.

    It will never go “broke”. If nothing is done, benefits would have to be reduced.

    The shortfall for Social Security could be virtually fixed overnight if we did one thing, and that is to stop excluding income spent on health insurance from paying FICA tax – but
    continue to exempt it from paying income taxes.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/34e245deaf575490c633459ba964406a118aa67e0462bdf8858d12442a5f0ca7.png

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      ” … and it’s not driven by “excess spending or deficit”, the issue is driven by demographics – primarily and aging workforce and fewer workers paying FICA taxes.”

      Mostly true.

      Excess spending (on SS benefits) could be seen as the primary contributor to SS shortfalls. The demographics of this have been understood since the Carter Administration (at least).

      Ronald Reagan (working with Tip O’Neil) applied some duct tape to the system. That was 1983. But even they knew their “fix” would be temporary. In the 41 years since, none of the cowardly politicians we’ve elected had the guts to even address the issue. In 9 years the trust fund started by Regan and O’Neil will run out of money and beneficiaries will only get 77% of promised benefits.

      I suspect this will be a big issue in the elections of 2028 and 2032 but it barely gets a peep right now.

      US life expectancy was 68 years in 1950 and is 76 now. The original retirement age for Social Security was 65. Today, it is 67.

      So, social security covered an average of 3 years of retired life in 1950 but covers and average of 9 years of retired life today.

      The tax rate for social security was 1.5% (for both employee and employer) in 1950. It’s 6.2% now.

      So, the length of time social security supports the average American in retirement has increased 3X since 1950 but the amount of the tax has increased 4.13X.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        The issue is the decreasing percentage of total income that FICA taxes apply to. SS reform was one of the few things Greenspan got right, but it was screwed up in execution and never fixed.

        Greenspan got the rates right in 1983 for us boomers to prepay our benefits IF, and it’s a big IF, 90% of income was FICA taxed as it was then. But income increases since have been heavily skewed to the top of the income scale and FICA limit increases were too small to maintain that 90% rate. We’re now down to covering in the low 80% of wages and the bleeding SS trust funds are the result.

        The fix is simple, increase the SS limit to cover 90% of wages and keep it there as it was designed, but the politicians have not been willing to touch it. Those high income folks are big contributors and influential and can make life unpleasant for pols who want to increase their contribution to the common good.

        Bump the FICA limit to about $250k and index it to maintain it at 90% of income, the problem is solved, and SS is healthy into the next century. Let the fat cats pay into SS at the same rate as the rest of the country.

        Some problems are not hard to solve, but they take some fortitude to tackle, especially if they don’t have a reward in the current election cycle.

    2. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      Your just picking a big
      line item that isn’t a tax rate increase, taxing medical benefits, and going for it.

      Reminds me of the Beatles song taxman:

      If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street
      If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat
      If you get too cold I’ll tax the heat
      If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Nope. I’m identifying tax subsidies that unfairly benefit some and not others and often require increased taxes
        in other areas to pay for the subsidies. Some folks can buy health insurance with untaxed money while others
        have to buy it with taxed money. By the way, why can’t health insurance companies sell you insurance like
        car or home owner insurance is sold where they decide what kind of risk you are and decide if they want to
        carry you and at what price premiums. It’s the govt that tells companies they have no choice and must
        cover you and can’t charge more premium than others in your demographic class AND let you buy the
        insurance with untaxed money to boot! Take all that away and let that good old free-market do it with
        no govt involvement at all… you know, like is done in many undeveloped countries.

        If you stay on your own private land 24/7 and don’t use or need public infrastructure and services, you
        might be able to claim you should not be taxed but the reality is everyone needs, is reliant on, services
        and infrastructure that cost money and need to be paid for. It’s sorta like complaining about property taxes
        when you have two kids in school and the school’s roof is leaking and not enough teachers. But you
        want your taxes cut. The no-tax folks live in a make-believe world sometimes IMO. And Paleeze, I hate
        taxes as much as anyone and I have govt sloth and inefficiency and I have no trouble what-so-ever shutting
        down govt functions that eat money and don’t work. BUt in the real world, most of us require things like
        education, health care security, fire and rescue, etc… Maybe we should convert some of those things to the
        private sector where they can charge you on a monthly bill like done for electricity, water/sewer, etc?

        1. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          Some of what you say make you sound like a conservative or libertarian! You do know that it was under Obama that the requirement for large employers to provide health insurance came to being, right? Also, the employer buys the plan, and the cost is paid for by the employer, who can require employee participation in the premium, so it is not accurate to say the employee buys the plan with untaxed money. Most employer plans require employee participation on the cost.

          My overall view is for the most part, taxes are high enough. Enough said.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Naw… you went partisan from the Getgo Randy. I can go right back at you with some other perceived budget wrong.
            Besides that CONGRESS wrote that law that Obama did sign. It was not him alone by a far stretch.

            No, it’s totally true that they buy with untaxed money, it’s listed by CBO as tax expediture. What the employee
            pays for that insurance – is not taxed like other income is. It’s a direct subsidy. People who buy ACA insurance
            have to pay for it with post tax money. The amount of the waived tax can amount to a thousand dollars worth of income
            at a 20% tax..another $200 on your taxes.

            re: conservative/libertarian. If you REALLY and SINCERELY want to do budget and tax policy, you have to be
            willing to be totally honest and direct about it – address the facts and realities – and keep partisan politics
            as well as personal attacks out of it. Nuff Said!

          2. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            The requirement rule for large employers to offer a medical plan was written by a Democratic Congress working with Obama, no Republican votes. I think on the rest enough has been said.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    I don’t see item cuts for most thing nor how they get to a balanced budget to be honest.

    They talk about cuts of programs but not really shown in a true budget context.

    For instance, how much will be saved by Reduce Funding for the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service?

    A search of their document on that service yields this:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/74c9b7ef84259982a208d4bccb3bfdce562bf302b52dbe09bcbae3b65a61883b.png

    no numbers. we don’t know how much they spend in total. How much to reduce it and how much that cut would lower the total budget towards getting to a balanced budget.

    For the Affordable Care Act – no topline budget, no specific cuts, and no showing how much of the total budget is reduced.

    Instead they do this:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d468a338604c786f4ee113ff6da3c910ee4facae20727e0c42f70868a628b577.png

    nothing but partisan blather…. talking points…

    You give them way too much credit Dick. It’s a bogus document that has almost nothing to do with actual specific budget cuts nor, showing a balanced budget after line items of cuts.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      You are right. The document serves as a vehicle to criticize the Biden administration. For many items, it provides no numbers–just says reduce cost. It is not really a budget, but a policy document.

      That being said, it does single out a lot of specific programs that they think should be cut or eliminated. That is a change from the usual approach of scream cut the budget, but not provide any specific ways to cut it. I was surprised, but pleased to see the call for reduing agricultural support and subsidy payments for big farmers, really agribusiness companies. The elimination of the subsidization of the sugar industry is something that has long been needed.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        To me – such a process would show the budget and the deficit then a line by line list of specific things to cut that
        is actually sufficient to balance and/or substantially reduce.

        A good start might be to look at how agency spending increased in the pandemic and take it back to pre-covid
        levels as a baseline.

        But just poking agencies and claiming they need to be cut without even talking about how much is not really
        any kind of rational approach IMO.

        We did a bunch of tax cuts a few years back that do not pay for themselves. More tax revenues do come
        but not enough to offset the revenues lost. Between that and covid, the way is clear to do it if we have
        the political will but we’d rather engage in political “theater” than actually do it.

        Now that Trump has become a player in all GOP things in the Congress, who knows ?

  6. The study committee has a proposal that would “balance the budget in just seven years, cut spending by $16.3 trillion over 10 years and reduce Americans’ taxes by $5.1 trillion over 10 years.

    That reminds me of this song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qZ4qzDICg

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      Wow, when is the last time you saw an autoharp in a rock band? Amazing, 2 guitars, drums and an autoharp. Those were simpler times.

      The first two things, budget balance and reducing spending, go hand in hand, and we need to get there. But the third, reducing taxes, not very likely.

      Current revenues are around 19.5% of GDP and expenditures pushing 22%. Bringing them into balance is the trick, but getting there while reducing the percentage of revenue seems highly unlikely.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        How about the Theremin on Zeppelin ‘Whole Lotta Love’.

  7. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Ok. Another logical fallacy. You can call for reducing federal spending and approving of some federal spending AT THE SAME TIME.
    I hate I-81. All trucks going 80mph and not a lot of wiggle room.
    Please go through this same exercise for every single member of the House, not just the ones you oppose politically.
    We spend $6 trillion and take in $4 trillion. We have $34 trillion in national debt. For what? Please point out how this debt has made things better. Please point out why it is proper to stick the young and unborn with this debt.
    And yes Trump increased the debt. Prior to Dr. Fauci et al killing millions of people to Save Our Democracy, together with academia and the media stoking panic continually, and shutting down the economy unnecessarily (except to create the circumstances to Save Our Democracy by defeating Trump), the economy was going in the right direction and the balance sheet was shrinking – no inflation, no wars, secure border, no lawfare waged against political opponents, lower gas prices… Aren’t we so glad all the “smart people” saved our democracy? And want to do it again!

    Remember the media brouhaha when it was disclosed that Trump didn’t want people to panic? Give me a break.

    Objectively, everything the installed “President” reversed has made things worse. You know it. You don’t want to admit it because you are part of the so-called “smart” group. Show real wisdom and acknowledge it. Quit voting for Marxists. Learn to understand their code speech. And acknowledge human frailty in all of us, but just like charity starts at home, so does self-examination.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    All in all, beats Proxmire who used to read the title of research studies and award his Golden Fleece… or since it’s Virginia and now, a golden fleecy.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Just for the record,
    Trump — 32 delegates
    Haley — 17 delegates
    Uncommitted — 1,200+ delegates

    RNC — “We just cannot see a path forward for Nikki.”

    Really?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      RNC = yet another Trump-owned GOP thing..

      It’s a cult/disease…. for sure…

      Lankford who led GOP efforts on the Immigration bill was just censured by the Oklahoma GOP.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5773785a2985ce6553116dfd6136ec9bec4b05e3f3bfabd4553a48e92f9320c6.png

      He’s about to be Liz Cheney…ed…

    2. Lefty665 Avatar

      Really, or for KamalaJoe either if the DNC is paying attention.

  10. Super Brain Avatar
    Super Brain

    Most folks believe in more for me and less for thee. Does not matter want political stripe.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. More school for more kind and less taxes for me. More roads for me and less gas tax.
      And don’t tax me if it does not directly benefit me. Any tax is a bad tax… blah blah blah

      The standard anti-tax credo.

  11. Matt Hurt Avatar

    Those sugar subsidies cause greater harm than appears on the surface. One will find it very difficult to find any processed food for sale that does not include some form of sugar. Our gut biomes which have been cultivated by the standard American diet craves this substance. This combined with the cheap price of sugar has caused a real health crisis in our country that is not evident in many other countries.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      The USDA has had a big part in getting those children to crave sugar.

      As it stands they tell you to eat more carbs than proteins. That’s not even touching on their egg kerfuffle.

  12. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Cline’s proposal is a bad joke. It is like popping pimples on someone with stage 4 cancer.
    The failure to seriously address our national debt and continued deficit spending has our economy in a death spiral.
    It will never get easier, so Congress and the Administration ought to bite the bullet and address entitlements, the tax code, and the structure of the Executive Branch which hasn’t been seriously touched since the 1947 Hoover Commission.

  13. Let me guess: The proposal does not touch the Dept of Defense.

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