Black Students Disappearing from Classrooms Disproportionately in Ten of our Largest School Divisions

by James C. Sherlock

For those who support local control of schools no matter what, I will offer you a “what” to consider.

For those who are nervous about even discussing why some jurisdictions in Virginia have failed to ensure “an educational program of high quality is established and continually maintained” for Black children, that works for Black children no matter their circumstances, you are reading the wrong article.

Twenty percent of Virginians are Black, as were 22% of our public school students in 2022.

Virginia lost 4% of its Black public school student registrations in the last three years, compared to 2.6% of all students including Black students. Black chronic absenteeism statewide jumped from 13.1% to over 25%. All student chronic absenteeism including Black students was 20%.

Ten jurisdictions with at least 2,000 Black students at the start of that period lost higher percentages of their Black students than the state average. Some much higher.

Those ten lost 8,668 Black student registrations. The entire state lost 10,674. Chronic absenteeism of black students in those jurisdictions increased in line with statewide increases.

Without even bringing up school quality, this is unacceptable if we care about the futures of Black kids.

We have to get them in school. I say “we” because it will be a long-term disaster for both these children and Virginia if we don’t.

Lots of different things have to be done to get them there, which is where school quality comes in. But I will share some of the raw numbers.

I spent a lot of time, with the assistance of VDOE, assessing the decline in registration and the increase in chronic absenteeism among Black students in Virginia public schools between 2018-19 and 2021-22.

Some data decisions.

  • I looked only at school divisions with at least 2,000 Black students to ensure the percentages of increase or decrease of black registrations were meaningful;
  • I did not consider any other demographic. Just Black students and total students;
  • I have all of the other data, and will consider other demographics in future articles.

You will see both familiar and unexpected names here.

Perhaps these jurisdictions can explain how they got on this list.

Losses in registration. In losses of registered Black students:

  • Richmond and Newport News are not surprises.
  • Fairfax County and Virginia Beach are. At least to me.

We have no idea where most of these students went, if they are being educated, and by whom.

Chronic absenteeism. In the case of Black student chronic absentee rates, Hopewell, Richmond, Lynchburg, Newport News and frankly the rest need to figure out how to enforce state truancy law.

It is not OK for these kids to miss school as much as they are with or without an excuse.

Adults in the school systems need to care enough to bring truants to school if their parents won’t see to it.

Bottom line. We have no more important demand on the public’s attention and the public purse than educating our children.

For many, improvement in attendance means making their schools worth attending.

VDOE should help with developing correction plans if asked and recommend funding for any that show need and merit in improving the quality of the schools and decreasing truancy. Out-of-state systems proven successful at attracting and educating poor urban Black children should be asked to help with the improvement designs.

Again, I will address other demographics in follow-on articles.

But more money for business as usual should not be supported. No excuses are acceptable. About any of this.  Including from the General Assembly.

Read Virginia’s constitution.

Virginia has made quality education a civil right. And it has become the civil rights issue of our time.


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173 responses to “Black Students Disappearing from Classrooms Disproportionately in Ten of our Largest School Divisions”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    So , a State level agency will fix the truancy/absentee problem in Virginia schools AND rescue them from “failing”?

    So we’ll have VDOE personnel in local school administrations and offices?

    It’s only take more money?

    1. Larry, are you conceding that Sherlock has identified a legitimate issue, or is these questions just an effort to divert the conversation and avoid confronting the uncomfortable reality?

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        It may be a major problem although the comparison periods are 1) pre-Covid vs 2) during Covid.

        If the same 2021-2022 statistics are true in 2022-2023 we have at least a truancy crisis in these school districts.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          21-22 was the first post-COVID year.

          1. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            It wasn’t post-COVID. Schools in our area didn’t resume largely normal operating postures until the spring semester of ‘21-22. A remote option was available in the fall.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Seriously? What area are you in?

          3. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Hampton Roads.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          There is a reason he skips over 2020-2021.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Richmond public schools, for example, never opened for in-person learning in 2020-21. Progressive led divisions tended to that end of the keep-em-closed spectrum.

            If I had used those attendance data, it would have been apples and oranges.

            You would hav wailed at that.

            Could that be it my progressive buddy?

            This is what you are left with?

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I think the issues have been issues all along but the thing about who is in charge is my question.

        The GA can pass laws and regulations that VDOE can enforce already, so what is really being proposed by saying that VDOE will hold responsibility rather than the local school system?

        What does that mean?

        The GA , for instance, could indeed pass a law that requires more uniform approach but who would be responsible for implementing and enforcing it?

        capishe?

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      “State level agency will fix”? VDOE personnel in local school administrations?” “Only more money?

      Since I neither wrote nor believe any of those things, either read it read it again. Or don’t.

      I have recommended before that you not rush to be first to the blackboard.

      This is one of those times.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        not all of your “recommendations” are good. I know that hurts to hear but it is true! You have more learning to do.

  2. WayneS Avatar

    Black Students Disappearing from Classrooms Disproportionately in Ten of our Largest School Divisions

    Do you have any thoughts on why this is happening?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I do, but the use cases are so different among the “top ten” divisions that I hesitate to cast a broad net on causes.

      You can see my general take from my recommendations:
      – to make the school environments safer, more effective and thus more attractive for both teachers and students; and
      – to drag students’ butts to school when they skip. A kid that misses a lot of school is going to act up when he or she does show up because they have no idea what is going on in class.

  3. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    What does “Number of Black students lost” mean? It seems to me that they must have either graduated, moved or dropped out. How else can a student become “lost”? If the students graduated or moved, I don’t see a problem.

    The chronic absenteeism statistics are easier to understand and harder to swallow. One quarter of the Black students in Alexandria and almost 40% in Hopewell are chronically absent? Wow. What is the definition of chronic absenteeism? Did it change from 2018/2019 and 2021/2022? In Fairfax County the percentage almost doubled. Is this Covid related? Is there hope that the percentages will fall in 2022/2023, when all students have been in-school?

    This sounds like it could be a major problem. Where is Ian Shapira and his top notch reporting on this?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The census bureau generally does not estimate drops in the black populations in the intake areas of those divisions to match the percentages of black kids disappearing from the schools. Where the kids are is anybody’s guess.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The definitions did not change. Chronic absenteeism is a minimum of 10% of school days missed. Since there are no truancy officers any more in say, Richmond, there is no effective upper limit.

      These kids just don’t come to school. The good kids perhaps because they are scared of getting beaten up, the bad kids because they are bad kids.

      Again, in the fall of 2021 all of the schools were open. At least officially. RPS took a week off because the teachers were stressed after not having been in the classroom for nearly 18 months.

      Neither had the kids, and they were perhaps a bit out of control. OK. A lot out of control.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The census bureau generally does not estimate drops in the black populations in the intake areas of those divisions to match the percentages of black kids disappearing from the schools. Where the kids are is anybody’s guess.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        A cursory review of census migration data does not offer any hints.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          We agree.

    4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      My first answer was incomplete, DJ. Here are the rules on calculating chronic absenteeism.

      – Only students with average daily membership ≥ 0.5 in any given school are included in the calculation

      – Students who are suspended count as an absence

      – Students receiving homebound instruction (medical illness) at any point in the year are excluded from the calculations for the whole year

      – Students receiving homebased instruction for discipline issues are excluded from the calculations for the time they are homebase

  4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    School boards should be directing their superintendents to find out where they are. Dropped out? Moved away? Home schooling? Private School? Cruising the neighborhood? Juvenile detention?
    This is a vital statistic and should be as accurately reported as possible.

  5. Anecdotally, if you were involved in anyway in schools when they went virtual, special needs students, low income students, and African American students (I am sure mainly lower income African American students) were the most likely to disappear from school.

  6. Matt Hurt Avatar
    Matt Hurt

    Virginia has laws on the books which compel students to attend schools. There are regulations which stipulate the process to work with parents before things get out of hand with truancy. Once those measures are exhausted, the next course of action is to file truancy charges in court.

    Years ago, it was very hit or miss once a truant student arrived in court, depending on the judge. Some would sternly lecture students and send them on their way, whether it was their first visit to court or their fifth for the same issue. Others would give kids one chance, and one chance only.

    Now, many if not most jurisdictions have implemented truancy diversion, which is basically a step between the school filing truancy charges and the student going in front of the judge. By the time the student goes through this process and truancy remains a problem, they then go before the judge. By this point, the school year is over, or nearly so, so usually nothing happens. Then the entire process starts over from scratch the next year.

    There are a number of problems with this. First, the process allows too much time to pass in which the student is allowed to not attend school regularly. Second, truancy charges used to at least cause some students and parents to take notice, but now it’s not viewed as something to avoid. Third, each division employs truancy folks who work diligently to get kids in school, file charges against those who won’t, only to get little support from the court system.

    All that being said, the juvenile justice system is not adequately equipped to deal with the underlying problems associated with students who are chronically truant. But legally, school folks must pretend that it is and continue to follow the process set forth without any hope of making the problem better.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You are, of course, correct from the perspective of Southwest Virginia.

      The rest of Virginia is all over the map on the issue of truancy. The City of Chesapeake, for example, is the no-contest state champion in taking truants and their parent(s) to court.

      There are neighborhoods in Chesapeake every bit as tough (and adjacent to) the most violent neighborhoods in Norfolk. Difference is, the kids and their parent(s) in Chesapeake know they are going before a judge as soon as the meter hits truancy.

      No second chances.

      Black students in 2018-19 had 8% chronic absentees in Chesapeake. Because they and their parent(s) knew there were real consequences.

      Now guess why Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake is the dominant power statewide in football and basketball.

      Conservatives control the school board in Chesapeake.

      Their cousins (literally) two blocks away in Norfolk had 18% chronic absentees.

      Enforcement actually gets students to school, and the black kids in Chesapeake have far better futures because of it.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You are, of course, correct from the perspective of Southwest Virginia.

      The rest of Virginia is all over the map on the issue of truancy. The City of Chesapeake, for example, is the no-contest state champion in taking truants and their parent(s) to court.

      There are neighborhoods in Chesapeake every bit as tough (and adjacent to) the most violent neighborhoods in Norfolk. Difference is, the kids and their parent(s) in Chesapeake know they are going before a judge as soon as the meter hits truancy.

      No second chances.

      Black students in 2018-19 had 8% chronic absentees in Chesapeake. Because they and their parent(s) knew there were real consequences.

      Now guess why Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake is the dominant power statewide in football and basketball.

      Conservatives control the school board in Chesapeake.

      Their cousins (literally) two blocks away in Norfolk had 18% chronic absentees.

      Enforcement actually gets students to school, and the black kids in Chesapeake have far better futures because of it.

      1. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        Parents in Chesapeake don’t have truant kids because they’re paying through the nose to live in a district that prioritizes student learning. They’re already engaged, informed, and caring. The enforcement is obnoxious and punitive for parents who can’t control where their teens go.

      2. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        Parents in Chesapeake don’t have truant kids because they’re paying through the nose to live in a district that prioritizes student learning. They’re already engaged, informed, and caring. The enforcement is obnoxious and punitive for parents who can’t control where their teens go.

      3. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        Parents in Chesapeake don’t have truant kids because they’re paying through the nose to live in a district that prioritizes student learning. They’re already engaged, informed, and caring. The rates are comparable with ur favorite punching bag, Fairfax, and significantly less than non-‘woke’ areas. The enforcement is obnoxious and punitive for parents who can’t control where their teens go.

        Why didn’t you compare absenteeism rates for all demos to see if there’s a discrepancy by race/region pre-pandemic? Would that show greater disparities in rural areas?

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          The areas that abut Norfolk are hard as nails.

          1. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Man, pls. Do you live there? That’s laughable. Chesapeake is not New Jack City.

          2. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            How does that compare per capita to other parts of the state? Context matters.

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Then you did not read the linked story.

            – South Norfolk crime rates are 113% higher than the national average

            – Violent crimes in South Norfolk are 120% higher than the national average

            – In South Norfolk you have a 1 in 20 chance of becoming a victim of crime.

            Other than that, it is a peaceful community.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Chesapeake sent over 2,000 kids and their parents to J&D court under truancy warrants in 2018-19.

          Black chronic absenteeism from Chesapeake’s high performing school system in 2021-22 was nonetheless 25%.

          Not sure why you want to argue the point of the article, but that is your privilege.

        3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          You insist on talking about Chesapeake. You call it a district that “prioritizes student learning” overall. I agree with that.

          But don’t pretend South Norfolk is not is in Chesapeake. Look at the assessments at Oscar Smith Middle in that school zone. http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/oscar-smith-middle#fndtn-desktopTabs-assessments

          Now click on Black for each of those assessments.

          Black absenteeism 23%

          In 2017-18, the last year for which we have published data, Oscar Smith Middle was arguably the most violent school in Virginia. 153 cases of battery without a weapon and 4 with a weapon.

          1. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Arguably is doing a lot of work there. *YOU* mentioned Chesapeake. I followed your lead.

      4. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        I do agree that conservatives control the school board, a recent development, one of whom was just indicted on felony charges. Oscar Smith is also the local punching bag because its students are entirely too black. Odd that you cite its athletic department success. Find a new exemplar. You’ve missed the mark here.

      5. Matt Hurt Avatar
        Matt Hurt

        I think you missed my point. It’s not that schools aren’t following the truancy procedures, but that the courts aren’t holding parents and students accountable. The only negative consequence that occurs to most truancy cases is that kids have to appear before a judge to receive a stern warning. Very little other than that happens when they get there. On top of that, there have been extra barriers put in place, such as diversion, to keep kids out of court. All this has watered down the law.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          You are right about the courts rejecting their responsibility to hold parents accountable. Back in the 1990s the Juvy judge in Leesburg was strict and chronic truancy was a rarity. Sometime after 2000 the Leesburg court started kicking those cases back to the Loudoun school district and the judicial process became an exercise in paper shuffling that continues to this day.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Loudoun County is circling the same woke drain that Fairfax County has already gone down.

            It seems that rural, ex-urban and relatively low density suburban areas can maintain a sensible outlook. However, once an area moves to high density suburban or urban – the liberals move in and all is lost.

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Are you not woke?

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            No. I am not. I believe in equality, not equal outcomes (equity). I do not think that the only remedy for prior discrimination is present and future discrimination. I applaud Asian Americans for their ambition and success. I thing TJ should remain a merit based school even if that means a disproportionate number of Asian students get in. I think parents should be held accountable for their minor children’s behavior (such as truancy).

            I could go on.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Do you think providing an individual child with additional reading help (more than the other kids) is wrong because you’re giving him more resources than the other kids?

          5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Utterly ridiculous.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            so providing a child with additional resources if needed is “utterly ridiculous”? yepper

          7. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            No, you asked whether DJ thinks it is “wrong” to give additional reading help to an individual kid.

            It is the question that is utterly ridiculous.

          8. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Equity is not about equal outcomes but providing best opportunities. Equity is necessary because absolute, rigid adherence to equality, as our English forbears learned, produces unequal results. Merit is not threatened by equity but broadened. Remedying racial discrimination by opposing racial discrimination (Kendi) is not threatening. Mandatory conscription of children who refuse to attend school is not a remedy to cure theirs or the parents behavior. IMO, conservatives, at least on this platform, exhibit a keen awareness (woke) of political and social issues.

          9. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You have run that personal definition of equity up the flagpole here at every opportunity. No sale.

            Equity as commonly used by progressives in the U.S. means equal outcomes, as you know.

            Equality means equal opportunity. That is why progressives needed a new term.

            You also attempt to make “woke” a term applicable to conservatives. Same try. Again no sale.

            You may wish to try a different windmill.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            In the conservative world these days, handicapped accommodations is providing additional resources to some folks and therefor apparently violates the basic concept of “equal opportunity”.

          11. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            This caught my eye.
            “Merit is not threatened by equity but broadened.”
            Can you prove that? Not trying to be a wise guy. Sincerely would like to know.

          12. WayneS Avatar

            Equity is not about equal outcomes but providing best opportunities. Equity is necessary because absolute, rigid adherence to equality, as our English forbears learned, produces unequal results.

            That makes no sense. You say equity is not about equal outcomes. At the same time you argue that equity is needed because equality of opportunity produces unequal results.

            You are aware that “result”
            and “outcome” mean exactly the same thing, right?

          13. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Keep in mind – that many students in Fairfax do well, quite well, in fact, better than many other kids in Virginia in rural schools.

          14. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Got it. Some don’t. This article is about the kids left behind.

          15. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            That’s the claim but it fails to recognize the “why” and instead demonizes schools and teachers and advocates the state essentially taking over the job – which it will never do because even the folks who make the claim, realize that the state can’t fix it either just at the education level.

          16. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            So a question, perhaps. Is “woke” the modern version of a southern strategy?

            And another, if liberals are accused of injecting race and identity politics into many issues, what does it mean when a blog post title says:
            ” Black Students Disappearing from Classrooms Disproportionately in Ten of our Largest School Divisions”?

          17. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            It is an attempt to get them help, rather than progressive navel gazing.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Matt, some schools refuse to refer truancy to the courts. This chart gives an example from 2020-21. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7198160ce741451c399caad9e0ed2a542cf4bce1d3c60541e1e72caee43a54b.png

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Good to see Petersburg is at least attempting to use the remedies available.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Indeed. And they are pikers compared to Chesapeake.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Might want to include other data like absentee numbers.
            As I recall, Fburg has a bunch.

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            As I wrote, this article chose to write only about school divisions with at least 2000 black students in order to make the percentages less sensitive to small. Just my choice for this article. There will be more.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Your choice of systems with larger populations seems like a good place to start measures and comparisons.

            Because Fredericksburg was so egregiously chronically truant it would be interesting to see those numbers too. Perhaps that’s in “more”.

          6. Matt Hurt Avatar
            Matt Hurt

            Could that have been that those referrals were held up in the diversion process? I have no clue, just asking.

          7. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Neither do I. I will see if I can find out.

    3. WayneS Avatar

      Whatever happened to being held back if you missed more than 30 days of the school year?

      That policy was in place in Virginia Beach schools when I was in high school in the early 1980s.

      1. Matt Hurt Avatar
        Matt Hurt

        For those kids we retain in grades K-8, we call them future dropouts. That is because they will turn 18 before they receive their diploma, and many kids who find themselves in that situation find more engaging activities with which to engage than school.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          The one subject plan used at Fork Union would eliminate a significant percentage of potential down the road dropouts.

          1. WayneS Avatar

            I agree. I think the public schools should do a pilot program providing single subject instruction to students who have been sent to the alternative education program for disciplinary reasons.

            They may find that it works so well with “problem” students that they want to try it out in the mainstream school environment.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            I agree. I think the public schools should do a pilot program providing single subject instruction to students who have been sent to the alternative education program for disciplinary reasons.

            They may find that it works so well with “problem” students that they want to try it out in the mainstream school environment.

      2. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        someone who is held back is almost certainly going to drop out. And would anyone want their own children to be in a class with older students who were held back?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Okay. But if they cannot pass the subjects , will they disengage and/or become behavior or discipline problems?

          what’s the answer?

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            A separate school for such kids, either within the division or multidivisional.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            They do that in my county. I suspect it’s done in others. There is also summer school to get them caught up. BUt when presented with “we can’t hold them back” and not following it with, “we need to do instead”…. it’s sorta saying this is a problem and no way to address it.

            You made a point here. I bet if you looked around you could find some school systems that do just what you say and it would be an article that points to solutions rather than condemnation.

          3. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            There is no good answer. That is why everyone screams at school administrators without having any good policy ideas and why no school system is ever successful with poor students from broken families.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I don’t think we are allowed to have no good answers or to put it another way, we have to recognize the consequences of what we do and not choose those directions if we recognize the consequences as unacceptable to society and taxpayers. There is no perfect system and when we make good the enemy of perfect, we fail.

          5. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            The failure of public schools to education average or just below average students because so much resources are used to try to save the worst students, then there is a huge unacceptable costs. When looking at any education reform, the only question should be is whether the policy improves academic education. Using public schools as holding cells for sociopaths does not improve academic education for most students and must end eventually.

          6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You write “no school system is ever successful with poor students from broken families.”

            Fortunately, that is not true.

            Read any of my multiple articles about NYC’s Success Academy. Start here. https://www.baconsrebellion.com/success-academy-models-for-virginia-excellence-in-teaching-poor-and-minority-kids/

            8% of their students are homeless.

          7. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            A charter school is very different than a school system Skimming off the better poor students and then running off those who are defiant is not that great a system.

          8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You did not have time to read the reference and its internal links.

          9. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You did not have time to read the reference and its internal links.

          10. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            They are charter schools, they do dump poor students back into the non-charter system, and they have a string of upset parents. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_Academy_Charter_Schools
            Such a system is not very scalable and is doing a version of what I propose: Let the bad students walk out the door. Remember, a charter school system can only exist when there is a public school backing them up that must take the trouble makers.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I agree with your statement as far as it goes.

            So basically you and Sherlock are proposing the same solution? Cut the low performers loose? You’d do it directly but Sherlock would pretend they could go to the Charters but then kick out and back to public schools if they don’t perform, then out the door next?

            I appreciate your truthful and direct answers. way different that how Sherlock does it!

          12. WayneS Avatar

            Very different from

          13. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Then why are there a hundred thousand parents on the waiting list in NYC?

          14. Teddy007 Avatar

            There are people on the waiting lists for any good public school in NYC. Look up the “Nice White Parents” reporting that the NY Times did. However, for many white and Asian parents, when their child did not get admitted to the good magnet/charter school, the family moved to the suburbs.

          15. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Take a few months to live in NYC before touting its charter schools. The Success Academy is hardly a school system. A charter school in the dense urban environment of NYC sits amidst enormous cultural opportunities, museums, zoos, theaters. Transposing a charter school to VA does not pose a similar environment.

          16. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Jim, you are more than smart enough to know that “enormous cultural opportunities, museums, zoos, theaters” are available to all NYC public schools, not just charters.

            It is the pedagogy that is the winner. They accept students by lottery.

            As I wrote elsewhere here, 8% of their students last year were homeless. 84% in 2019 were black and Hispanic. 70% qualified for free or discounted lunch.

            Success Academy has has 47 schools in the New York area and 17,000 students. There are far more on the waiting list than they can accommodate.

            Go to https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/more-on-the-phenomenal-eye-popping-success-of-success-academy-charter-schools-in-nyc/ to see a comparison between S?A schools and NYC’s elite magnet schools

            S/A is a bigger system than most Virginia school divisions.

  7. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Richmond is #1!
    But Levar is handling all the important things, like establishing a commission to change the names of streets.
    That will really make things better, don’t you think?

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Better would be contributing to the discussion instead of posing unrelated observations and questions

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Thank you for the model of how to do everything right.
        You truly are a gifted servant. Always striving to make the world a better place…by advocating for policies that make it worse. But you do you!
        Richmond City is a disgrace. The schools are a disgrace. The crime is disgraceful. But Levar has removed the statues, and now he is going to change the names of streets! Hail Levar!
        I think that is quite relevant to the “discussion.” And also, Dr. SCIENCE! won’t admit it, but the illegitimacy thing plays a huge part in all the disfunction. But throw more money at the schools! That’ll work. Ignore the elephant in the room.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Simply attempting to draw out whatever wisdom you may possess beyond irrelevant questions intended as insight – like discussing statue removal. Dudgeon tends to get in the way of rational discourse.

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            I see you are adding huge value there sport.
            The public school system is generally awful.
            But the degree of awful in Richmond is mind boggling.
            When that is pointed out, you step in to police the evil person pointing it out, because you care so much for the marginalized. Let’s shut up discourse so the “marginalized” can be even more marginalized! And then we can have more Dem voters to con into thinking we care as they continue to suffer under our policies.
            Don’t know why it hurts so much to hear somebody saying something truthful… (actually, I have a good idea – Chuck Schumer’s reaction to edited tapes not edited by HIS propagandists sees a national security threat! And calls for censorship. Not worrisome at all, huh?) Always divert. Always change the subject.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Perhaps NAH, LLC can get a sole-source contract to fix the schools.

          Richmond displays Ukrainian level corruption.

  8. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    While alarming and as some commenters indicate, the data requires more insight and evaluation. That said, a signal has as been sent of serious potential educational harm. The doubling and greater absentee percents between reported periods alone is alarming. Actual number comparisons would be helpful.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      still not entirely clear on exactly what Sherlock is proposing as a “fix”……….

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        No proposal. Simply a single faceted data analysis. Much more digging to be done regarding causes. Many of his screeds are conditioned by “pending further analysis” or “I must see what follows”; or, as in this case, subsequent articles. Like a TV or movie trailer.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Do you consider this article a “screed”?

      2. Donald Smith Avatar
        Donald Smith

        Well, Larry, Jim Sherlock has done his share of the heavy lifting here, by researching and writing this article. Perhaps you could step up now, and propose some solutions for us to consider? Just a thought…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I think I have. Mr. Sherlock’s approach to these issues comes across to me as inherently partisan and along the lines of “tear it all down”. He seems opposed to much of the current way that public schools are organized and he insists on ignoring the schools that actually do a good job and focusing on the one’s that do not to essentially claim that they represent a “failure” of public schools in general and a reason to go to charter schools to “fix” it. I’ve actually supported Charter schools if they limit enrollment to the actual kids that Sherlock cites as being “failed” AND that they meet the same standards of accountability as public schools do for their operation. I just find Sherlock’s approach to be not real and practical proposals but rather destructive.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            The trend is not our friend. I maintain that 2021-2022 was a partial Covid year. Even where the schools were open, they closed during outbreaks, etc. It’s March. Hopefully, the 2022-2023 numbers will be published soon and those numbers will show improvement. If not, we have a full blown crisis with regard to truancy.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Another problem is that Sherlock goes after majority-minority schools for their “failures” but essentially ignores schools like Henrico and Chesterfield which also have significant numbers of schools that “fail” even as other schools in the same district excel and are among the best in Va.

          Why is that? How is Henrico doing just as badly as RPS for some schools and is there something to know and understand about it beyond just condemning RPS along for it’s “failures”?

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            “I have all of the other data, and will consider other demographics in future articles.”

            What is so hard to understand about that?

            Perhaps in a couple of months, if Capt Sherlock has not made good on that promise, I’ll agree with your point.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Look at the list of school divisions in this article and try again how I “go after majority-minority schools”.

      3. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        The first step in solving a problem is to recognize the problem. Capt Sherlock has done that.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Maybe. Too many as yet unanswered questions concerning causes.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            True. But if you show up at the hospital with a 105 degree fever, something is wrong. Th next step is to figure out what is wrong. Then, treat the malady.

            Capt Sherlock has painted a picture of some very sick school systems.

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            More like a sketch than a completed work as he acknowledges.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            he has indeed, but he’s way off in la la land on the reasons and how to fix, IMO.

    2. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Srsly, stop cherry-picking data. I wouldn’t move my black family to rural Virginia at any price. The schools still find 9th grade algebra acceptable for the brightest kids, don’t have the resources to teach multiple languages to fluency, and on and on it goes. I cannot understand attempting to siphon public school resources statewide (NoVa and Richmond and Hampton Roads do not suffer fools) in an effort to promote this half-baked ‘analysis’ and pay private schools in the very regions the author detests when rural VA schools are so needy and have significantly higher absenteeism across all demos. Where are the rigorous/numerous private options in rural VA?

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        No cherries picked; merely commenting on the potential significance of the data. There may be something to the info.

      2. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        No cherries picked; merely commenting on the potential significance of the data. There may be something to the info.

        1. Not Today Avatar
          Not Today

          Hard to find any significance in such limited data.

          1. Donald Smith Avatar
            Donald Smith

            So, there’s no problem here that we need to be concerned about? Okay…if you say so.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            even worse, if one uses limited data to claim things that simply are not truth or facts.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Wow. For once, we agree.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        See what’s possible in civil dialogue? Let’s see if the author responds to the several comments making the same points.

  9. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    Jim, good stuff. You’re dealing with a tough but important subject, and you’re doing it well. Bravo Zulu.

  10. LesGabriel Avatar
    LesGabriel

    Does not each jurisdiction tke an annual school census so that they know generally how many students by grade level are in their jurisdictions? I remember such censuses not too many years ago, but all of my kids graduated last century. I assume that school divisions then match that data up with their actual enrollment and ??? report that information to the state??? I would assume also that the school divisions report truancy figures to the VDOE, including number of cases turned over to the authorities. My assumptions may be wrong, but it seems like there should be enough data already collected to get a handle on which school divisions are following the law and which are not.

    1. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Every district is required to report its enrollment for federal and state funding purposes in October. Sherlock has selectively picked bits of data to consider vs. looking at statewide truancy/absenteeism figures for the demographic selected. Why he thinks only the most populous districts (in terms of black students) are relevant is beyond me. What matters is their performance when mapped against their peers, on axis that considers both household income (which is also captured annually) and ethnicity/race. I fear that analysis would be less favorable to his argument.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I think they are REQUIRED by state law and regulation to keep track and report.

      Are they doing so or not? good question.

      The data is out there though…

      one place is the school quality profiles

      https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/

      1. LesGabriel Avatar
        LesGabriel

        Thanks. Lots of good data to digest.

    3. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Every district is required to report its enrollment for federal and state funding purposes in October. Sherlock has selectively picked bits of data to consider vs. looking at statewide truancy/absenteeism figures for the demographic selected. Why he thinks only the most populous districts (in terms of black students) are relevant is beyond me. What matters is their performance when mapped against their peers, on axis that considers both household income (which is also captured annually) and ethnicity/race. I fear that analysis would be less favorable to his argument.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        I did not present an argument but data,
        . I disagree completely that “what matters is their (districts) performance when measured against their peers.”

        A kid is a kid . An individual. Someone who deserves a chance at a future. He only has his teachers and the schools he attends. Measuring Richmond schools against Virginia Beach schools makes no difference to his future if he goes to a Richmond school. Most of them need to be far better than they are. Time to act to make that happen.

        1. Not Today Avatar
          Not Today

          Your ‘data’ is incomplete.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            My data are not incomplete. I chose to write an important chapter not a book. But thanks for caring about these kids.

  11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Fairfax County and Virginia Beach are. At least to me.”

    Did you look at real estate prices across the same time period…🤷‍♂️

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      What point are you making?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        You were scratching your head as to why these districts lost black students at such rates. I offered a potential explanation that you may not have considered.

        Btw, what districts with >2000 black students “lost” the least number across your two data points. I am curious… Could you post the entire list, please?

    2. WayneS Avatar

      I found this site interesting. I’m not sure of it’s data is 100% accurate, but it offers the ability to look at overall housing price trends in different areas for the last 6-months to 5-years.

      This links to Fairfax data:

      https://www.movoto.com/fairfax-va/market-trends/

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Great! According to that site median home values rose by about $100,000 between September 2018 and September 2021. That may very well have something to do with Fairfax’s numbers…

        1. Indeed it could. But where did the students go?

          If they are still in school then they should show up on some other school systems rolls.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You assume they stayed in-state… but actually we are only talking about 9000 students here (for all 10 schools not just Fairfax) or 0.75% of the entire student population in Virginia. They could have easily moved anywhere in-state as well and not have even been a blip in enrollment figures. Another example of mischaracterization of stats to paint a rhetorical picture. Happens frequently…

  12. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Sunday marks the 3 year anniversary of the covid closing of Loudoun’s schools in 2020. Partial reopening did not commence until Feb. 16, 2021. Here we are 3 years later and the evidence of disaster has not abated. Billions of dollars have been dumped into Virginia’s schools and there is so little to show for it. We have not seen the bottom of this disaster yet. SOS. We need Virgnia’s leaders to come up with a real plan and fast. I see nothing promising from them on any front.

    1. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      FEb 2021 was about the time that most teachers would have been vaccinated. Do you really think that all of the teachers would have stayed on the job in March and April of 2020 if Loudoun County had decided to be Covid-19 defiant?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Not at all. Just pointing out that when the trap door opened, the schools, they are still in free fall and have not found the bottom yet.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          especially the economically disadvantaged …. right?

  13. Teddy007 Avatar
    Teddy007

    Maybe the policy should be, at the high school level, and school is voluntary and if a student does not want to learn, the school is better off without the student.

    A question to ask anyone who cares about truancy: Can one force a student to learn if the student (and the parents) do not want to learn?

    1. WayneS Avatar

      A question to ask anyone who cares about truancy: Can one force a student to learn if the student (and the parents) do not want to learn?

      Regrettably, no. Unless you want to go all “clockwork orange” on them, of course… 😉

      Seriously, though, I have a couple of follow up questions:

      Since we cannot force education on a child who does not want to learn, since all we can do is give the child every opportunity to earn an education, whose fault is it if/when the child grows up and cannot find a good job or make a decent living?

      What should we do with or for the person who grows up, realizes they made a serious mistake in ignoring their education, and wants to better him/herself?

      What should we do with or for the person who grows up and stubbornly continues down the path of ignorance and failure, refusing to better him/herself ?

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Humans change. As a child, I hated mushrooms. Now I enjoy them. Some in prison rehab earn GEDs or a trade. Tolerance for those who refuse to better themselves is a possible virtue of a society. At the same time, the ignorant have a voting franchise. What do you suggest are remedies?

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Good question. But, if a high school aged child wants to drop out and does drop out he or she should be required to either hold a full time job or be conscripted into a paid public job doing road repair, picking up trash, etc.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Conscription as a remedy for behavior modification? Not very libertarian.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          A libertarian will never accept somebody’s definition of libertarianism.

          There is a difference between children and adults, at least in this libertarian’s mind.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Now that’s a handy posture: I won’t accept what you say about my opinion b/c y’all can’t know what I stand for. Lovely to look at but don’t touch.

      2. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        Why would anyone want to supervise a bunch of teenagers who are too lazy and too short sighted for high school. Or who would hire them? No, the costs of keeping them in school or a make work job is higher than any benefit from doing either of those choices. Students who do not want to learn need to be kept far away from students who want to learn.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          what happens to the kids that drop without a high school education in terms of society and taxpayers?

          1. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            The same thing that happens now. However, if they are not in school, they are not bullying or disrupting the students who want to learn, not taking up administrators and teachers time, and not lowering test scores that people focus on. The joy of a college is that it does not need to admit everyone and does not really care if the student ever goes to class. Why not move that culture down to the 9th grade and let the trouble makers go else where. School systems could then shut down all of the alternative high schools, diversion programs, and other money wasters.
            Why not make school better for the average student who wants to learn but cannot escape to the tracked college -prep classes?

          2. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            The argument that putting the worst students on the street would encourage more marginal students who might want to learn to come back to school since they will not be prey for the sociopaths as much.

  14. Turbocohen Avatar
    Turbocohen

    Dads have been replaced by Government. Learn to spot the trend.

  15. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    With 101 comments so far, a lot of them mine in response, I admit I didn’t expect so much pushback on an article exposing a threat to the future of society in general and the black community in particular.

    If we can’t talk about it, we can’t fix it.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      talking about it is a complete contextt is good. Talking about it in selected pieces and parts with a partisan edge is not.

      Here’s a question.

      What percent of the black kids with these issues are from high income families? What percent are from low income families? Is that relevant?

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Y’all can drop the persecution defense. Many of the comments were not “pushback” but genuine interest in learning more especially from those who you might consider comrades.

    3. WayneS Avatar

      I honestly don’t interpret most of the comments as “pushback”. The majority of those commenting here, even some you typically consider opponents to your ideas, appear to me to be genuinely interested in further investigating this threat and finding solutions to it.

      Of course, I have a distinct memory of one particular commenter who is pushing back (or at any rate seems to be trying to pick a fight) pledging to never again comment on the articles you post here. It was a while ago. Maybe he forgot.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        He recanted that a good while ago, said it would be impossible for him to not comment.

        Sounds like a form of “tick”.

    4. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      Believing that black students will perform at the same level as Asian students is as unrealistic as believing that all high school students can master calculus.
      Education policy with the obtainable no matter how much everyone wants to deny reality.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        because?

        1. Teddy007 Avatar
          Teddy007

          Because it has never happened in any school district ever in the U.S. Remember when No Child Left Behind forced schools to report test scores broken down by race and ethnicity. Those darling Fairfax Public School were found to be no better at educating poor black children than any other school system. Of course, most progressives refuse to face data and reality and keep thinking that there is magic dirt in Fairfax and Loudoun what will even out test scores if black and Hispanic children are allowed to go to school on the magic dirt.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Are you talking about black kids – all , regardless of income or low income while the higher
            ones do well ? Or are you saying that all black kids do worse than other races no matter the income?

            You talk Fairfax. Have you looked at Henrico and Chesterfield black kids?

            Same problem or different?

            At any rate, turn them loose on the streets if they don’t pass ?

          2. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            The mean SAT math/verbal score for an African-American child with two college educate parents who work in white collar jobs is lower than the mean SAT math/verbal score of white students whose parents only have high school degrees and work in blue collar jobs. No matter how many pair-wise comparisons one makes, one does not find a situation where black students perform at the same level as white students. Look it up.
            And no one looks clever by trying to use “all” in order to call someone a racist. It is on average. On average, black students do worse when correcting for location, school budget, parents education, parental income etc. The biggest gap between Asian and black students in New Jersey even though the schools are well funded, it is a blue state, and has no legacy of slavery.
            So get over the desire to play the race card and look at the data.

          3. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            Once again, someone who wants to play the race card. The reply question should be whether one believes that intellectual talent exist and if it does exist, is it spread equally among all ethnic groups. What is amazing is that progressive can easily understand why the men’s 100 meter dash final at the Olympics is made up of 8 black athletes who ancestry goes back to western african. That the winners of the Boston Marathon are almost always black men whose ancestry goes back to Eastern Africa or can even understand that not everyone can sing but someone believe the ability to do calculus is evenly distrusted among all sub-ethnic groups.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I’m not playing the race card when I respond to a blog post that makes claims specifically about “black kids”.

            re: ” The reply question should be whether one believes that intellectual talent exist and if it does exist, is it spread equally among all ethnic groups”

            Okay. Do you have an answer to that question? Is it the “race card” to ask it?

            so… if women are DIFFERENT from men physically, there might be intellectual differences conceivably also or is it just by race?

            I appreciate you taking this head on. Seriously. We do need to talk about it.

          5. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            Intellectual talent is unevenly distributed, harder to spot than athletic talent, and not of interest to many schools. Remember what killed tracking for progressives is that is was used as a version of segregation where the children of the school board members were always in the gifted class or the AP classes while some black students who should have been in that track were held back.
            And there are differences between men and women and schools have not helped very much. Moving algebra down to 7th grade has helped early maturing girls but has also caused the curriculum to be made easier

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            re: ” Intellectual talent is unevenly distributed, harder to spot than athletic talent, and not of interest to many schools”

            by race?

            So when Sherlock talks about an entire public school system that is what he calls minority majority – black – “failing”…. is he talking about such racial intellectual differences ?

            Does the high number of kids who fail in those schools have something to do with intellectual differences and/or family income and educational attainment?

            Gave you a lot of roon to run on this!

          7. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            If one going to really go to the point that athletic talent can be unevenly distributed based upon race, that musical talent can be unevenly distributed but that mathematical talent or writing or learning foreign language talent cannot possibly be distributed based on race, gender, or ethnicity.
            And how many times does someone have to show that even when family income and education is accounted for, there is still a huge racial gap. That is the whole schtick of critical rate theory in education. Educators are desperate to claim that racism is why there is such an achievement gap even correcting for everything else.
            And remember, college towns like Madison Wisconsin; Berkeley, CA; Iowa City, IA have some of the largest racial achievement gaps. And the racial achievement gaps in states like North Dakota still exist even when most of the blacks in North Dakota are federal employees.

      2. WayneS Avatar

        Believing that black students will perform at the same level as Asian students is as unrealistic as believing that all high school students can master calculus.

        I don’t believe all high school students can master calculus, but why is it unrealistic to think that black students will perform at the same level as Asian students?

      3. WayneS Avatar

        Believing that black students will perform at the same level as Asian students is as unrealistic as believing that all high school students can master calculus.

        I don’t believe all high school students can master calculus, but why is it unrealistic to think that black students will perform at the same level as Asian students?

        1. Teddy007 Avatar
          Teddy007

          Because it has never happened anywhere. That’s why.

          1. WayneS Avatar

            That’s the spirit!

            A defeatist attitude and wanton pessimism can overcome even the most ardent efforts to improve society.

          2. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            K-12 education is where politicians do go end their careers. Trump, for being stupid on most issues, just ignored education and let DeVos do what she wanted. Bill Clinton was also smart enough to stay away from education.
            At best, one can improve the academic education of most students. That should be the goal. However, trying to close the achievement gap is usually a race to lower standards and end testing to eliminate data that one does not want to consider.

          3. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            Yes, there is data. And the children of high income blacks perform worse in K-12 and in college than the children of middle class Asians. From Parental Educational Attainment and Black-White Adolescents’ Achievement Gap: Blacks’ Diminished Returns
            “Recent research has documented Minorities’ Diminished Returns (MDRs), defined as weaker protective effects of parental educational attainment and other socioeconomic status (SES) indicators for racial and ethnic minority groups.”
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7198056/

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Thanks for the link!

            You DID see this right?

            ” The above research, however, is not conclusive mainly because one remaining dilemma. The main gap in knowledge is that we still do not know to what degree Black-White inequalities in educational quality has a role in explaining MDRs of educational outcomes in Black families. Answering to this research dilemma requires well-controlled studies that can adequately adjust for differences in the school characteristic that Black and White youth tend to attend. For example, we know that Black youth are more likely to attend low-resourced public schools located in urban areas with higher density of low-income Black peers. Contrary to predominantly Black schools, White youth have a higher tendency to attend schools that are located in suburban areas schools with predominantly White students. White youth are also more likely to attend private schools that are known to provide better educational outcomes.

            Thus, we still do not know if parental educational attainment generates less tangible outcomes for Black than White youth simply because Black youth have a higher tendency to attend low resourced urban schools which means lower quality schooling. Being able to answer that question is important because it will tell us if eliminating the gap in schooling between White and Black would be enough for equalizing the return of education for Black and White youth. Id the Black-White differences would, however, sustain despite controlling for educational quality, then diminished returns are not merely because of differential school quality but upstream societal process that are beyond educational system (e.g. racism, discrimination, labor market practices, etc.). As mentioned above, we are not aware of any previous studies on diminished returns of parental education on youth outcomes, which has fully controlled for Black-White differences in school characteristics.”

  16. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
    Ronnie Chappell

    The data make clear that an education is something that has to be earned and can never be given. While I agree the numbers are sad and very disturbing I find myself wondering whether the absence of kids who don’t want to attend improves the teaching and learning environment of those who show up for class each and every day.

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