Bible Quotes Verboten in Loudoun Teacher’s Work Email

by James A. Bacon

A Loudoun County school teacher has been told to remove a Bible verse from the signature block of her work email. She contends her constitutional rights are being violated, according to the UPI news service.

Loudoun County Public Schools maintains that the quote — “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16” — runs afoul of the Establishment Clause, which prohibits governmental establishment of religion.

If anyone runs afoul of the Constitution, it’s the Loudoun school system for using its power to expunge a personal expression of religious belief. An individual school teacher acting in her private capacity is not the government. Expressing her faith in an email signature block is not establishing a religion.

I’m an atheist and have been most of my life. But when I encounter idiocy like Loudoun’s ban, I’m tempted to start attending church as a form of cultural and political resistance. I don’t put any stock in Christian theology, but I have a deep appreciation for the moral system that the Judeo-Christian tradition has bequeathed our society. And I don’t want to see militant secularism enthroned as the new government-sanctioned worldview.

Militant secularism is a religion in all but name. It has a distinct view of the cosmos, of the existence (or non-existence) of spiritual entities, and a system of values that flows from those beliefs. Militant secularists want to define “religion” as a word that applies exclusively to belief systems predicated upon the existence of a God, gods, nature spirits, or whatever. In their view, it’s OK for a government to favor militant secularism because, by their definition, militant secularism is not a religion.

But atheism constitutes a distinct worldview that is the functional equivalent of a religion. Militant secularists are determined to drive all “religion” from the governmental sphere leaving atheistic secularism as the only belief system to remain standing.

There is also the issue, of course, that the teacher, who is unnamed in the article, has had her right to free speech infringed upon. Liberty Counsel, a Florida organization backing her legal plea, says Loudoun’s rationale overlooks the rights of teachers to free speech and free expression.

The scripture appearing in the teacher’s signature block could not be more inoffensive. Loudoun’s action smacks of puritanical pettiness. What’s next? Prohibiting teachers from bringing personal Bibles into classrooms? What principle of logic would dissuade militant secularists from sliding down that slippery slope?

As an atheist, I consider the ban an act of gross overreach, part of an ongoing campaign to drive Christianity from the public sphere. Loudoun County Public Schools needs to back off.


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91 responses to “Bible Quotes Verboten in Loudoun Teacher’s Work Email”

  1. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Jim, I respect you being an atheist but I have one question that I ask all who believe like you. If there is no God, what was the first cause that led to creation. And even if Jesus was not the son of God, following his teachings would make the world a far better place.
    As for Loudon County, I can remember a time when it was not so Woke. I hope that the teacher has a good lawyer and stays strong in this fight. Because obviously, the school board does not understand the Constitution or the beliefs of the Founding Fathers.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      “If there is no God, what was the first cause that led to creation.”

      The answer is I don’t know and neither do you. Why do you feel the need to make up stuff then believe it about questions nobody knows the answer to?

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Arguments about God notwithstanding, UPI still exists? That I didn’t know.

      If that’s a government provided email on a government server, the court will likely rule against her. The rule should be (should have been all along) no such messages, secular or religious, should be on official work emails. She’s proselytizing. That’s not just “a” Bible verse, in the NT that’s “the” Bible verse!

      1. VaNavVet Avatar
        VaNavVet

        Correct, it is a work email and work has rules. She has freedom to do so on her personal email account.

    3. VaNavVet Avatar
      VaNavVet

      The answer would be the “big bang”, chemistry, biology, and the slow evolution of life.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        Yes. The “big bang” theory explains it all. Except for the parts it doesn’t.

        Given that a “big bang” associated with a singularity did occur, then immediately following the ‘detonation’, the density of the matter expelled from the singularity would be many times more dense than is required to form a black hole. That being the case, why did the universe not almost immediately collapse into one or more black holes?

        Also, do you know how a singularity, matter of an [theoretically] infinite density and of an [theoretically] infinite temperature, came to exist in the first place?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          That why we have “God knows”, to fill the gaps.

          Like the slide in the MSR pre-licensing design document that says, “and then a miracle occurs”.

          Just tying to stories together.

        2. VaNavVet Avatar
          VaNavVet

          As I recall, the force of the “big bang” expelled the matter dispersed in such a manner that the distances were enough to overcome the gravitational forces acting on them. It is possible that the ‘big bang” was the technique whereby God created the universe, which is how science and religion are reconciled. Black holes form when stars expire and collapse upon themselves.

          1. WayneS Avatar

            An oversimplification. The behavior required for a “singularity” to “big bang” into a universe is not covered by our current (known) laws of physics – not even by quantum physics.

            Also, to an atheist, the big bang cannot be the way God decided to create the universe. There would have to be a scientific explanation, and I’d like to hear it.

            By the way, according to Stephen Hawking, stars going supernova is not the only way black holes can be formed.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            It is possible that the ‘big bang” was the technique whereby God created
            the universe, which is how science and religion are reconciled.”

            Not reconciled for those of us who do not believe in God. Some of us, like me, do not deny God is possible, but we do not fantasize that “God” is the explanation for things that are not yet known.

            Please do not ascribe beliefs to us that we do not hold.

      2. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O’Keefe

        But where did the ingredients or matter that led to the Big Bang originate?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          The previous Not as Big Bang.

          1. WayneS Avatar

            And before that, the “Minor Disturbance”…

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Entropy being what it is, could it have come from an even bigger bang? Perhaps in the end we will go out with a whimper descended from a bang

        2. WayneS Avatar

          Trader Joe’s?

        3. VaNavVet Avatar
          VaNavVet

          That might depend upon your point of view. Science and religion can be reconciled by the “big bang” being viewed as the technique used by God to create the universe. Others would say that space existed as vast clouds of hydrogen and helium which collapsed and resulted in the bang.

    4. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      “If there is no God, what was the first cause that led to creation.”

      The answer is I don’t know and neither do you. Why do you feel the need to make up stuff then believe it about questions nobody knows the answer to?

      1. WayneS Avatar

        I have no problem with people believing whatever they choose about the origins of the universe, or anything else for that matter..

        I also have no problem with people stating those beliefs.

        What I will not tolerate is someone trying to force me to adopt their beliefs.

        1. vicnicholls Avatar
          vicnicholls

          Simply quoting from the Bible, Quran, Bhagavagita?, or Confuscous doesn’t strike me as prostlytizing. Someone tells you not to murder, do you have a problem with it because that’s what the Bible says?

          1. WayneS Avatar

            I was not referring to the woman who is the subject of the article. I was replying to a comment.

            My thoughts on the appropriateness of Bible verses in government employees’ work email signatures is posted elsewhere, but it’s short, so here it is again:

            I don’t think government employees should include any extraneous messages or quotes in their official email signatures.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            I was not referring to the woman who is the subject of the article. I was replying to a comment. I am sorry if I caused confusion.

            My thoughts on the appropriateness of Bible verses in government employees’ work email signatures is posted elsewhere, but it’s short, so here it is again:

            I don’t think government employees should include any extraneous messages or quotes in their official email signatures.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Me neither.

          I do have a problem with believers who challenge those who acknowledge they don’t know the as yet unknowable by using those unknowns as defenses of their made up beliefs.

          Don’t attempt to browbeat me with your made up belief because I have not indulged in making things up too. Think the Pope, Galileo, the Inquisition and the religious dogma that the earth was the center of the universe.

          I do believe most religions provide practical guides on how to live decent lives. That comes from my exposure to their teachings and writings.

          While I’m “I”ing, I think the use of religious references in government communications, systems, actions is a slippery slope that is best avoided. It is easy to trip over what constitutes government establishment of religion. Our founders were fleeing that. They knew what was wrong with that. Their belief was founded in painful experience.

    5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Boy… put several kids through the Loudoun County Public School system starting in the 90s. Can’t recall a single teacher with a bible verse attached to their any of their communications… woke indeed…

  2. Nathan Avatar

    Anyone who thinks that’s offensive is more than welcome to give me their greenbacks.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9391049d7e4fcd99654bed84c858fd75b027564ed64abed5699f5e557c72095d.jpg

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      That the courts have allowed.

      https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/918/in-god-we-trust#:~:text=Its%20use%20on%20U.S.%20currency,constitutionality%20of%20the%20national%20motto.

      Some claim that motto is secular. It is certainly non-denominational, ecumenical even. No Jew or Moslem would object. But starting with the 60s the courts have come down pretty hard on using school resources to promote one particular religion, and I think that is a proper reading of the Establishment Clause. She wins, and be ready for the next teacher to have a Wiccan message, or quote Robert Ingersoll or Mao. Won’t bother me, but…

      1. Nathan Avatar

        You are probably right about the outcome, but it seems unfair that leftist indoctrination and proselytizing is permitted.

        K12 education should reflect our common values. Unfortunately, we seem to have less in common with each passing day.

        1. VaNavVet Avatar
          VaNavVet

          So you would prefer or welcome such from the alt-right?

          1. Nathan Avatar

            Anyone you disagree with is alt-right?

            I know nothing about this person other than she is a person of faith who wishes to express herself.

            I think the ultimate outcome should be clear and fair to all.

            I wouldn’t put that in my signature, but I am not bothered by it either. Curious how it will be resolved.

          2. VaNavVet Avatar
            VaNavVet

            It is clearly a work rule that is required to be followed. She can use this in her personal email account or choose to quit her job. You asked why the “left” was allowed to act so it seemed that you might want to be “fair to all”.

        2. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Blame Ike. He appointed Earl Warren. 🙂 And sorry, the rule in the school sadly is “least common denominator.”

      2. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        I dont see that as promoting religion. That phrase is more a nod to the history of the US when it started. It was Christian overwhelmingly. I would expect Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia to have something similar, like PBUH.

      3. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        God is a euphemism for “something bigger than us”.

        1. Nathan Avatar

          Whatever someone worships, that is his (or her) god.

          Narcissism is prevalent.

          In my view, religion has been largely replaced with ideology. We have lost more than we have gained.

        2. WayneS Avatar

          That’s as good a basic definition as any other I have heard.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Magic?

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      All Others Cash.

      The humor is putting that over the White House.

      1. Nathan Avatar

        “The humor is putting that over the White House.”

        Especially of late.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Late being post 1968.

          1. Nathan Avatar

            I was thinking about the current occupant. You know, the guy who needs to be lead around by the nose.

            After 1968??????

            LBJ was the most corrupt and genuinely despicable President in modern times.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            He brought us the Civil Rights Act, The Voting Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act and in many ways completed the New Deal. Those things are neither corrupt or despicable. Otherwise he did have a few flaws…

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            LBJ brought us the Civil Rights Act, The Voting Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act and in many ways completed the New Deal. Those things are neither corrupt or despicable. Otherwise he did have a few flaws…

          4. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Don’t believe anyone ever put “In Slippery Dick we trust” on anything.

  3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    255 years later the struggle for religious freedom continues. 255 years ago the charge leveled at early Baptist elders was: “These men are great disturbers of the peace; they cannot meet a man upon the road, but they must ram a text of Scripture down his throat.”
    https://www.baconsrebellion.com/in-search-of-the-fountainhead-of-religious-freedom-in-virginia/

  4. M. Purdy Avatar
    M. Purdy

    “I’m an atheist and have been most of my life.” Can one believe in natural rights and be an “atheist” in the purest sense (i.e., no higher power)? Respect your views; genuinely curious.

    1. VaNavVet Avatar
      VaNavVet

      Do “natural rights” have to be God given? Do not many things exist naturally?

      1. M. Purdy Avatar
        M. Purdy

        No, but I think they need to be formulated “pre-nature,” as it were, which implies a higher power. Maybe?

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      What’s a “natural right”? Give me an example.

      Rights are part of a code of ethics, mano a mano. Morals are mano a deus; strictly internal and subject to rapid change. Example: thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife. Yeah, that works.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        The functional definition is rights that governments cannot take away. The Bill of Rights enumerated what the founders found to be natural rights.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Si, mano a mano. What is a government if not men?

          Your definition is limited only to the US and some, possibly all, democracies.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            His definition doesn’t even fit with the US. Clearly the government can take away any right they so choose in the US as elsewhere.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          You think a government can’t take away your right to exist? What is the death penalty then…?

          1. WayneS Avatar

            Okay fine. The government cannot [legally] take away your rights without due process.

            In this country I would have assumed that part would go without saying, but apparently not.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            Okay fine. The government cannot [legally] take away your rights without due process.

            In this country I would have assumed that part would go without saying, but apparently not.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Due process” is nothing more than the conditions which allow rights to be ignored and are defined by… the government…

            Also, I can conceive of several excuses used by the government to ignore due process… public good, emergency response, national security… heck, they don’t even always have to tell you why… “classified intelligence” will suffice…

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        The functional definition is rights that governments cannot take away. The Bill of Rights enumerated what the founders found to be natural rights.

      3. M. Purdy Avatar
        M. Purdy

        Pre-societal rights, like liberty, autonomy, etc. I mean, I think it’s certainly up for debate, but thinking in the enlightenment sense of what it means.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Pre-societal? You mean like the right to be eaten by a bear?

          Rights do not exist except between people, the minimum of which is, uh, two, I should think.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            “the minimum of which is, uh, two, I should think.”

            What if one person identifies as “they”? Do “they” have rights?

          2. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            Pre-societal as in Lockean or Hobbesian. Not literally pre-societal, mind you, but before things like laws were put into place.

      4. WayneS Avatar

        The right to exist, and the right to defend oneself from anything or anyone who tries to violate your right to exist.

        That’s pretty much it.

        Oh, I almost forgot, there is also the responsibility that must accompany the natural rights. The responsibility to refrain from trying to violate the natural right of others to exist.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          You have a right to exist?
          You are confusing a right with an excuse, or maybe just a mitigating circumstance.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Or for any of us individually, the extreme improbability that particular genes would have gotten together to make us who we are.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            Oh, no. I have a right to exist and so do you, and so does everybody.

            What we don’t have is any reason to expect other people to think we have a right to exist.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          A better example of the “right to exist” would be the following.

          You and another are infected with a 100% deadly disease. You have two pills that will cure the disease with certainty if you take both; only one and your probability of survival is only something greater than, say, 50%.

          Right to Exist would dictate that you must share.

          1. WayneS Avatar

            Exactly.

            No one ever said rights come free from responsibility. Or if they did they were wrong.

          2. Tom B Avatar

            Other than being a better strawman argument for you to present, how is it better?

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Rights are binary. Any other outcome is force.

          4. Tom B Avatar

            Explain binary. How does your illustration demonstrate the idea?

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I agree with Steve. Including that verse on her work e-mail is a clear violation of the Establishment clause. She is using government resources to proselytize.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Despite being a practicing Catholic, I agree that the work e-mail should not have bible quotes. But, how far does it go?

      Can a teacher wear a cross or a star of David necklace?
      Can a teacher wear a burka?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I agree with the French.

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        The answers to your last questions is “yes”.

  6. WayneS Avatar

    I don’t think government employees should include any extraneous messages or quotes in their official email signatures.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      V/R,
      N. Naive.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        Exactly!

    2. vicnicholls Avatar
      vicnicholls

      My boss does – the old one had sayings in there too. I don’t remember what they are. I ignore it. Move on.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        Oh, I’m not going to “take to the barricades” over it. I just think it is unprofessional.

  7. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    I’m a Christian and the 100% R school board wants to ban the Satanists who want an after school club from speaking. I dont seem to be bothered by them.

  8. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    I’m a Christian and the 100% R school board wants to ban the Satanists who want an after school club from speaking. I dont seem to be bothered by them.

    1. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
      Charles D’Aulnais

      Which?

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Tough to avoid all Bible verses. Hell, I use ‘em. Occasionally those monks in 400 CE were downright Shakespearean, e.g., “If thine eye offends,…”, “wept because I had no shoes,…”, “Go ahead Bubba, toss that rock,…”

    But that particular verse ain’t one of ‘em and is the basis of Xian belief. Nope, not kosher.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      That would be because the King James translation was contemporaneous with Shakespeare and it has been suggested he participated. 🙂 The KJV and Shakespeare cemented the English language.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        The pre-1066 version involved ripping dragon’s arms off and is mostly monosyllabic.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Do you know where I can get a copy? I’ve been wanting to learn how to rip a dragon’s arms off.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            It’s a long process. You start with the little arms on a Tyrannosaurus Rex and work forward to dragons from there. It helps to have a long life like Methuselah, although some believers believe it has not been many years since the dinosaurs were created and roamed the land.

  10. Thomas Dixon Avatar
    Thomas Dixon

    I wonder if she is allowed to pray?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Right up to the point she creates a hostile work environment.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Prayer is certainly allowed in public schools in Virginia – at least I know it is in Loudoun.

  11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Matthew 6: 5-6 would have been a better choice, imo…

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