Bacon Bits: Wind, Rain and Sun Edition

What happens when the wind doesn’t blow?

The North Sea, locale of the world’s largest cluster of wind farms, normally delivers strong, consistent wind flows that keeps the turbines spinning. But every once in a while, weather happens and the winds diminish. That’s what’s occurring now. Blame it on global warming, if you will — that seems to be the explanation for every inconvenient fluctuation in rainfall, temperature and extreme weather.

Whatever the cause, according to the Wall Street Journal, the falloff in wind is wreaking havoc in the United Kingdom, where wind supplies 25% of the nation’s electric power. Due to the wind “shortage,” marginal electricity prices have shot up to the equivalent of $395 per megawatt/hour (or $0.395 per kilowatt hour). That compares to the statewide average of $0.11 per kilowatt hour in Virginia. To make up the deficit, UK utilities have been burning more… coal. Coal will provide a backstop until 2024, when all coal-fired plants will be shuttered. Is anyone in Virginia paying attention?

Speaking of coal… Southwest Virginians are still casting around for ideas of what to do when the coal plants close. There is no lack of creative thinking. I just don’t know how practical it is. Here is the latest: growing artisanal grains. Once upon a time, Virginia’s coal counties grew grain to supply alcohol feedstock for a booming coal-town bars and saloons. The economics shifted in favor of massive Midwest farms, which enjoyed economies of scale, and local grain farming nearly ceased. But, according to The Virginia Mercury, local economic-development groups want to play on the local-food movement to make Southwest Virginia a primary source of specialty grains for Virginia’s growing craft beverage industry. Virginia imports 400,000 bushels of grain into the state. Snagging  a piece of that action could support a lot of farms.

With climate change, who knows how that will work out. Let’s hope the rain keeps falling.

The former Red Onion surface mine in Wise County, Va., site of the proposed Highlands Solar project.

Replacing coal mines with solar panels. In another initiative, Dominion Energy Virginia is partnering with the Nature Conservancy to turn about 1,200 acres of the former Red Onion surface mine and surrounding properties into the 50-megawatt Highlands Solar project in Wise and Dickenson County. “This project is a huge win for Southwest Virginia’s economy,” said Ed Baine, President of Dominion Energy Virginia in a press release. “It’s also another major step toward building a 100 percent clean energy economy in Virginia. Repurposing former coal mines for solar is a smart way to enhance the region’s economy and bring renewables to Southwest Virginia.” Although the initiative is part of the larger Cumberland Forest Project designated for the restoration of 253,000 acres of native forest in Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky, several thousand acres of non-forested former surface coal mines are deemed suitable for solar.

With climate change, you never know how that’s going to work out. Let’s hope the sun keeps shining.


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51 responses to “Bacon Bits: Wind, Rain and Sun Edition”

  1. DJRippert Avatar

    “Coal will provide a backstop until 2024, when all coal-fired plants will be shuttered. Is anyone in Virginia paying attention?”

    Unlikely that anyone in our political class is paying attention. Insularity is a hallmark of Virginia’s state government.

  2. DJRippert Avatar

    “But, according to The Virginia Mercury, breweries are making a comeback …”

    No wonder Virginia Mercury is the preferred news source for Capt. Obvious.

    The problem is that the more successful craft breweries sell out to large brewers. Virginia’s Devil’s Backbone Brewery sold out to Anheuser-Busch. Anheuser-Busch in turn is owned by Brazilian InBev.

    Will Virginia breweries continue to use specialty grains from SouthWest Virginia after they either get larger or get acquired? I’d ask Devil’s Backbone about their policy but my barely adequate Portuguese has faded since I stopped traveling to Brazil.

    1. Update: Regarding Don’s reference to “breweries making a comeback,” I deleted the phrase during a post-publication edit. My apologies for any confusion.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      There are
      1) small craft beer — made in the bathtub in somebody’s house, and
      2) small crafty beer — Budweiser packaged to look like a small craft beer.

      Know your source. That said, try Brooklyn Black if you can find it. It’s not really from Brooklyn, but it’s 11% ABV, SO WHO CARES?

  3. DJRippert Avatar

    “In another initiative, Dominion Energy Virginia is partnering with the Nature Conservancy to turn about 1,200 acres of the former Red Onion surface mine and surrounding properties into the 50-megawatt Highlands Solar project in Wise and Dickenson County.”

    That sounds promising. But how much loss comes from transmitting the electricity from SW Va to the places where the electricity is consumed?

    1. Probably not much line loss. The solar farms, as I recall, will supply electricity for only 12,000 homes.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar

      It would depend on the transmission voltage.

      High Voltage I believe is around 2% for transmission and 4% for distribution.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    Did a little walk at the Crozet Rail Tunnel the other day and checked out the Blue Mountain Brewery down the hill. Pretty busy place even on weekdays and not from hikers at the tunnel, which were few.

    Opposition signs up against a new cell tower. Geeze.. almost no internet and folks still opposed to cell towers!

    There are so many places where solar could be put that won’t affect viewsheds and abandoned strip mines would seem to be a win-win, although they won’t provide many jobs.

    If we built enough solar that we could power much of the state when the sun IS available – we’d still have to burn gas but a whole lot less of it and it would last us for decades before we every had to consider coal.

    In the meantime, in the next 10-20 years, everybody and their dog are working on storage and the chances are pretty good, we’re gonna develop cost-effective storage and if that happens, it’s pretty much all over for fossil fuels except as emergency backup.

    Breweries? Wineries? They’re everywhere – and I have a hard time thinking that there are already too many of them for the demand,

    By now, we should be able to buy a bottle of wine for $5 given the number of wineries out there… more than 300 in Virginia. That’s like 2 for every county!

  5. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    The experience in Europe should be a loud and clear warning to all Virginians, especially those in the General Assembly. Electricity costs will be more and studies show that reliability will be less. At some point, Dominion will ask the SCC for approval to add the costs of large storage batteries, assuming that they become commercially viable. That will add to the costs borne by consumers.
    Having coal or natural gas “stored in the ground” does not mean that it is instantly available when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.
    There are better options but the politicians are ignoring them.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    No one I know is talking about stopping the use of fossil fuels 100% by some date certain except the wackadoodles on the left AND the right!

    What exactly is the downside of building a lot of solar, as long as we keep the gas plants available when needed?

    It’s not a binary, either/or choice and really, never was except in the minds of the radical left – AND right!

    1. “No one I know is talking about stopping the use of fossil fuels 100% by some date certain except the wackadoodles on the left AND the right!”

      Hmmm. What do you call the General Assembly mandate for a zero-carbon electric grid in Virginia by 2050? Wackadoodle?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        can you provide the actual words in that mandate?

      2. Don’t fall for it, Mr. Bacon. I posted a link to the complete text of the “Clean Economy Act” a couple of months ago when Larry asked if someone would “provide the actual words in the mandate”.

        He didn’t respond then and he hasn’t stopped claiming that zero-carbon electricity by 2050 is not a legal mandate. I can only conclude that he has not read the Act, so it would be pointless to post it again.

      3. LarrytheG Avatar

        Yep – but where does it say they have t shut down the fossil fuel plants? I don’t see it. I see penalties for not but no requirement to shut down plants.

        I think you boys play with words sometimes.

        Yes, the wacadoodle left and wackadoodle right do it.

        The reality is that the Act is entitled: ” HB 1526 Electric utility regulation; environmental goals.”

        and it lays out stipulations if those goals are not met by 2040 and 2050.

        Nowhere do I see words that such plants will be shut down.

        1. Larry, your ability to stare in the face of reality and deny it is truly extraordinary. Please explain how Virginia can achieve a 100% net zero carbon electric grid while burning coal or gas.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            No one is talking about shutting down all fossil fuel plants right now – except for wackadoodles – left and right.

            There are goals to transition 100% to renewables – 25 years from now.

            That’s a long time for technology to develop.

            And does anyone really think any of this REALLY is locked in stone with no possible changes between now and then?

            What is “wackadoodle” is bogeyman blather that implies we’re doing it now, willy nilly, without regard to reliability.

            It’s 25 years with plenty of time to adopt evolving technology for storage, renewables, grids, etc AND the ability to adjust and change if need be.

            Where is the common sense on this that we can’t acknowledge this is 25 years out?

          2. Moving the goalposts once again.

            You said: Yep – but where does it say they have t shut down the fossil fuel plants? I don’t see it.

            The pertinent section of the Code of Virginia was posted.

            You STILL tried to deny it.

            The law was clarified.

            Now you post this tripe instead of just admitting you were mistaken.

            Pitiful.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s a goal. What enforcement actions will be actually taken if we don’t meet that target?

            It speaks of financial penalties.. not forced shutdowns.

            Why would they talk about penalties instead of forced closures?

            It DOES very much depend on what one WANTS TO BELIEVE or promote to others, but the reality here is that there are no words to shut down plants.

            It’s much more right wing boogeyman politics than reality.

            The title of the Act is “goal”.

            Consider also the closure of coal plants.

            Many words to the effect that they will be closed and yet some are still generating.

            We’re headed for less and less fossil fuels and more and more non-fossil fuels. The date we actually get there is no more certain that the goal we had to close coal plants. It’s a process, not a drop-dead date.

          4. It is a requirement. There would not be penalties for failing to comply if it was not a requirement.

          5. Code of Virginia 56-585.5.B.1-3

            B. 1. By December 31, 2024, except for any coal-fired electric generating units (i) jointly owned with a cooperative utility or (ii) owned and operated by a Phase II Utility located in the coalfield region of the Commonwealth that co-fires with biomass, any Phase I and Phase II Utility shall retire all generating units principally fueled by oil with a rated capacity in excess of 500 megawatts and all coal-fired electric generating units operating in the Commonwealth.

            2. By December 31, 2028, each Phase I and II Utility shall retire all biomass-fired electric generating units that do not co-fire with coal.

            3. By December 31, 2045, each Phase I and II Utility shall retire all other electric generating units located in the Commonwealth that emit carbon as a by-product of combusting fuel to generate electricity.

            (Emphasis mine)

            NOTE: I posted this to you, Mr. Bacon, because Larry told me he has “blocked” me. I’m not sure what that means, but I suspect he does not see any replies I post to his comments. I wanted him to see this, though, so he will have a chance to stop making a fool of himself on this thread.

            PS – I assure you the above language is in the current Code of Virginia. HB1526 was passed by both houses during the 2020 session, and was signed into law by the governor on April 11, 2020.

            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/56-585.5/

        2. Code of Virginia 56-585.5.B.1-3 –

          B. 1. By December 31, 2024, except for any coal-fired electric generating units (i) jointly owned with a cooperative utility or (ii) owned and operated by a Phase II Utility located in the coalfield region of the Commonwealth that co-fires with biomass, any Phase I and Phase II Utility shall retire all generating units principally fueled by oil with a rated capacity in excess of 500 megawatts and all coal-fired electric generating units operating in the Commonwealth.

          2. By December 31, 2028, each Phase I and II Utility shall retire all biomass-fired electric generating units that do not co-fire with coal.

          3. By December 31, 2045, each Phase I and II Utility shall retire all other electric generating units located in the Commonwealth that emit carbon as a by-product of combusting fuel to generate electricity.

          (Emphasis mine)

          Do you see it now?

      4. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Zero carbon? Or net-zero carbon. Makes a difference.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          re: ” Hmmm. What do you call the General Assembly mandate for a zero-carbon electric grid in Virginia by 2050? Wackadoodle?”

          if the bill did not pass the GA, is it a “mandate”? Is it the Code of Va?

          ” HOUSE BILL NO. 1907
          Offered January 13, 2021
          Prefiled January 8, 2021
          A BILL to amend and reenact § 56-585.5 of the Code of Virginia, relating to electric utilities; Renewable Energy Certificates; contracts with accelerated renewable energy buyers; exemption from certain costs.
          ———-
          Patrons– Sullivan, Keam and Lopez
          ———-
          Referred to Committee on Labor and Commerce
          ———-

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            The follow does NOT sound like we do away with all plants no matter the impact on reliability.

            more boogeyman blather…

            B. 1. By December 31, 2024, except for any coal-fired electric generating units (i) jointly owned with a cooperative utility or (ii) owned and operated by a Phase II Utility located in the coalfield region of the Commonwealth that co-fires with biomass, any Phase I and Phase II Utility shall retire all generating units principally fueled by oil with a rated capacity in excess of 500 megawatts and all coal-fired electric generating units operating in the Commonwealth.

            2. By December 31, 2028, each Phase I and II Utility shall retire all biomass-fired electric generating units that do not co-fire with coal.

            3. By December 31, 2045, each Phase I and II Utility shall retire all other electric generating units located in the Commonwealth that emit carbon as a by-product of combusting fuel to generate electricity.

            4. A Phase I or Phase II Utility may petition the Commission for relief from the requirements of this subsection on the basis that the requirement would threaten the reliability or security of electric service to customers. The Commission shall consider in-state and regional transmission entity resources and shall evaluate the reliability of each proposed retirement on a case-by-case basis in ruling upon any such petition.

            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title56/chapter23/section56-585.5/

          2. It is zero carbon from shutting down all power plants in Virginia which emit carbon by the end of the year 2045. I’m not sure whether that qualifies as “zero-carbon” or “net-zero-carbon”, but it is a shut-down mandate.

            The intent of the above-mentioned HB 1907 from 2021 was to make some changes and additions to the law passed in 2020. When HB1526 was signed by the governor on April 11, 2020, a shut-down mandate was added to the Code of Virginia.

            On a peripheral note, when reading bills proposed by the Virginia General Assembly, it is important to remember that proposed additions are in italics, proposed deletions are in “strike-through” and unchanged text is in standard font.

        2. The “zero-carbon” comes from shutting down all power plants in Virginia which emit carbon by the end of the year 2045. I’m not sure whether that qualifies as straight-up “zero-carbon” or “net-zero-carbon”, but it is a shut-down mandate.

          The intent of the above-mentioned HB 1907 from 2021 was to make some changes and additions to the law passed in 2020. When HB1526 was signed by the governor on April 11, 2020, a shut-down mandate was added to the Code of Virginia.

          On a peripheral note, when reading bills proposed by the Virginia General Assembly, it is important to remember that proposed additions are in italics, proposed deletions are in “strike-through” and unchanged text is in standard font.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Okay then, but 2045. Sheesh, ONE of us might be alive. Probably not me, and if you don’t give up the bike before some little ol’ lady in a Buick… forget that. My money’s on Larry.

            I feel I must remind you that the Texas Legislature once recognized Albert DeSalvo for his efforts in Zero Population Growth by a unanimous vote.

            BTW, Norm McDonald passed. The world is a tad sadder.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            2045 and this:

            ” 4. A Phase I or Phase II Utility may petition the Commission for relief from the requirements of this subsection on the basis that the requirement would threaten the reliability or security of electric service to customers. The Commission shall consider in-state and regional transmission entity resources and shall evaluate the reliability of each proposed retirement on a case-by-case basis in ruling upon any such petition.”

            Exactly the OPPOSITE of what Jim B and others are claiming- i.e. that we have no choice but to shut down.

            not true.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            So, “You SHALL shut down, unless you don’t want to”. Meh, much ado about naught.

            Almost like Black folks were treated as equal between 1865 and, uh, … Has that happened yet?

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            That’s gonna kill Jim’s standard claim that we must shut down…. no choice…

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Think that’ll stop ’em? That’s just a technicality. Ya know, like Miranda, or the 4th, 5th, etc. If it ain’t the 2nd that is.

          6. Your logic is faulty. It is you and Larry who are treating the Clean Economy Act as if it just a technicality.

            “Oh, a stated deadline incorporated into the law? Well, that’s not a real deadline because those affected by it can ask for relief”.

            That is treating the law as if it is a mere technicality.

          7. There is a big difference between being permitted to “petition the Commission for relief” and having “the Commission” grant the requested relief.

            The law says what it says regardless of how much someone may argue otherwise, and anyone who operates their business on the assumption that “the Commission” will grant them relief is a fool.

            Power companies have been directed by the laws of the Commonwealth to shut down all carbon-producing power plants by a date certain. I have proven the only point of contention I set out to prove. I am immune to the talcum powder which now being throw into the fan.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            One might think that. But, even the IRS grants more petitions than not. For example when Father-in-Law died, he left his wife an IRA from which she did not set RMDs FOR 3 YEARS. She didn’t know she had to, and it wasn’t until my wife took over her finances that anyone else even knew the IRA existed.

            That was three 50% penalties, totaling $60,000. She wrote a handwritten note asking relief from the penalty and submitted it with her return. It was granted and the money returned.

          9. 2045, 2050, whatever. That’s been the time-frame under discussion all along. No one ever claimed the deadline was earlier.

            To bring it up now as if it is some new evidence to inoculate against Larry’s false arguments is just downright silly.

          10. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            OTOH, did Detroit ever miss a CAFE standard? We’ll see. Has the Commission ever not caved to Dominion?

            Well, statistically, one of us BR’ers might see.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            Seems like for those claiming the “no choice but to shutdown”, to NOT ALSO mention the exemptions’ clause is somewhat disingenuous, actually on the edge of misrepresenting or worse gaslighting.

            I doubt seriously if Dominion (and probably PJM) warn about reliability than they would be ignored.

            As said all along – only the wackadoodles are claiming doom and gloom.

            And this is 25 DANG years away – a lot of technology as well as a lot of changes in the laws are ahead.

            The entire claim of “no choice but to shutdown” is just more of the same old boogeyman “sky is falling” rhetoric from the usual suspects.

            IMHO of course. 😉

          12. BTW, Norm McDonald passed. The world is a tad sadder.

            Yup.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Are you kidding? American liberals want zero use of fossil fuels. That’s what they are teaching our kids that fossil fuels cause all war, disease, death, and human suffering.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Only in the minds of the wackadoodles… 😉

        most folks – around the world are rightly concerned:

        https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/09/PG_2021.09.14_Climate_0-06.png

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Don’t worry, if you are shown to be right and the renewable sources falter and fail, then all that coal safely stored in the ground will be ours, and ours alone, to be dug up and burned, spewing forth all that carbon and sulfur, which will in eventuality, prove us both right.

  8. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Gee, every time wind turbines lack wind somewhere in the world, does that rate a BR story? Anything to slam renewables?

    BTW, nukes are down for one reason or another all the time:

    https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=37252

    1. Electricity prices don’t triple when they take a nuke down for routine maintenance.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I think if you check the prevailing electricity prices in the UK – they’re in the 20 something cent range…. so not tripled…. but half again?

        And compare that to Texas this winter?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Inconvenient, Larry. A $9,000 monthly bill for heat.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            and all because of Texas “reliance” on wind turbines… said so right here in BR and other “conservative” media:

            ” On Feb. 14, [Tucker] Carlson began telling his viewers that “a reckless reliance on windmills is the cause of this disaster,” claiming that “the windmills froze, so the power grid failed”. The following day, [Gov] Abbott said in an interview that the crisis in Texas “shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America”.

            On Wednesday, Feb. 18, freshman Representative Greene tweeted, “If passed, the Green New Deal will literally kill people. Millions of people have suffered in TX with #rollingblackouts & some died bc of reliance on ‘green’ energy.”

            Unfortunately, this is what passes for Conservative “commentary” on energy and electricity these days.

    2. Electricity prices don’t nearly double when they take a nuke down for routine maintenance…

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        But that doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t. Just biting the bullet, maybe?

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      We would often be ashamed of our finest actions if the world understood all the motives which produced them. -Francois, Duc de La Rochefoucauld, writer (15 Sep 1613-1680)

  9. tmtfairfax Avatar

    If we truly want to eliminate fossil-fueled-based electricity, we need to develop cost-effective nuclear power plants based on fusion and not fission. We need low-cost power to drive the economy. Let’s start paying for research by eliminating the tax-exempt status of all institutions that either lobby with paid lobbyists or attempt to influence public policy with paid employees/consultants and limit the tax-free life of any private foundation to 25 years. At which point, it has to pay the federal estate tax based on current assets and, going forward, be taxed on all income.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I agree. What we need is safer nukes, not 60-year old designs. The kind of nukes that can be sited near urban areas without fear of a Fukushima type accident.

      It’s amazing to me that we’ve never developed better nukes. If we had, the whole thing over climate change would have been much less controversial.

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