Back to Debate-Gate: A Slippery Slope

At the risk of making this blog a 24/7, “All Potts, All Debates, All the Time” instrument, I want to make one more point about this controversy. There’s a slippery slope forming.

The Virginian-Pilot editorial page has joined the seemingly unanimous view that Russ Potts deserves to be in the debates right now:

A four-term state senator from Winchester, Potts has an electoral base, a proven grasp of the issues, and positions on taxes and transportation not being articulated by either of the major-party candidates, Democrat Tim Kaine or Republican Jerry Kilgore.

Suddenly, it occurs to the good folks at the Pilot that maybe they should clarify something:

As a practical matter, not every independent who earns a spot on the ballot has earned the credibility to be included in every debate. For example, fringe candidates with noxious views.

I wonder if all the editorial boards would go to the ramparts if Del. Dick Black or Del. Bob Marshall were the independent, not Russ Potts. They’ve certainly got an electoral base and proven grasp of the issues. What are “noxious views?” Maybe, Potter Stewart-like, they know them when we see them.

Then there’s the private organization argument:

Minus an acid test of who’s legitimate and who’s not, the matter ought to be left up to the sponsors of individual events.

With Russ Potts apparently at under 5% in the polls, how can a private organization be criticized for having their debate between just the two guys with over 40% in the polls?

Finally, the Pilot gets around to where I think the real answer lies:

At a minimum, however, Potts deserves a shot at any televised debate. Political scientist Larry Sabato, who’s trying to arrange such an event, proposes a test similar to one set by the Presidential Debate Commission.

If Potts attains support from 10-15 percent of citizens in two legitimate state polls, then it would be a travesty not to include him.

The 10-15% suggestion seemingly contradicts their earlier assertion that Potts belongs in the debates just because they think he’s legitimate. That’s the beauty of requiring some showing in the polls–real people express their preferences, not just ivory tower editorial writers.

Jerry Kilgore should not have ruled out debating Potts, but he should have at least referenced the “Sabato standard” as the most important consideration. We are setting ourselves up for some real donnybrooks in the future if 5% or less is the standard for getting into a debate among candidates in a state-wide general election. If you want Potts in the debates now, get ready to defend a motley band of candidates who can afford $14,000 to get enough ballot signatures. Get ready to show your free speech bona fides as to what constitutes “noxious views.”


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  1. I’d love to see Dick Black or Bob Marshall on television. Let Virginia see the true face of the Republican party.

  2. TheModerate Avatar
    TheModerate

    The fear and anxiety expressed by the Republican candidate for governor over the recent Potts phenomenon speaks volumes about the current state of the Republican Party and the way they are handling the election. Is Kilgore that bad of a debater? In addition, how much more FREE press can they give someone? Every major paper in the state has had an Editorial/Opinion on this issue.

    The decision by Kilgore not to debate Potts basically legitimized Potts as a candidate, at least in the eyes of the press. In addition, the press smelled blood, and we all know what happens then. Plus, how can Potts not be considered a legitimate candidate? He’s got more experience than the other two candidates, served longer, and actually cast votes on statewide issues.

    To say he is not a legitimate candidate sets a bad precedent for Virginia politics. You are basically saying that no single State Senator or House of Delegates member is qualified to be Governor unless they are chosen by the party…..Anyone ever heard of Harry Byrd, our independent U.S. Senator?

    Potts got the signatures, and he’s on the ballot. Paying someone to gather signatures is inconsequential when compared to what the other two candidates are already spending. This is big money politics and it’s not Potts’ fault that knows how to play the game.

    As far as polls…..how about the pathetic turnout in the primary? Neither the primary nor any poll should determine who is included in the debates….it should be the sponsoring organization. If they want to take the heat for not letting Potts in, let ‘em. Besides, any pollster can set-up the poll to put Potts under this 5% threshold.

    A 3-way debate would simply force the other two candidates to focus on the issues and not trivial mud slinging, i.e., the Eavesdropping scandal, which will likely be the second or third thing out of Kaine’s mouth when they do debate. In closing, I still like to think that this is a free country and that if you meet the requirements, you should be on the ballot and included in the debates.

  3. John K. Avatar

    I guess this has no direct bearing on the question at hand, i.e., whether Sen. Potts should be invited to debate candidates Kilgore and Kaine. But, isn’t it remarkable just how quickly the Left-leaning crowd forgets that it shut Ralph Nader out of the Presidential debates last year?

  4. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Imagine this scenario from before the primary: Chap! Decides he is going to lose the nomination for Dem. Lt. Gov. and because he’s upset at the leftward kook fringe swing to the Democrat base (read Leslie Byrne), he decides to run as an “Independent Democrat” for Lt. Gov. Does anyone really think the press would be as aggressive in pushing his candidacy and inclusion in the debates? Think again.

    Face it, this has nothing to do with Potts’ viability. It’s because he is urinating all over the Republican Party of Virginia that the media is doing this and they hope (as does Russ “take my marbles and go home” Potts) that it will end up electing Tim Kaine.

    Potts may be a Senator, but I really question whether today he actually has an electoral base any more. He’s burned so many bridges at this point he couldn’t get elected dog-catcher there in my opinion.

    “Is Kilgore that bad a debater?” Last time I checked he is agreeing to multiple debates with Kaine, I don’t think this shows fear, just that a candidate should have to earn his stripes, not be granted them by willing media elitists, who are too lazy to look further than six months back into Potts’ history to see the diametric changes that have occurred in his so-called “grasp of the issues”.

    As for Kilgore’s stance legitimizing Potts as a candidate, gee would letting him into the debates somehow de-legitimize him? Come on…

    The real issue here is Potts is being disingenuous. He was elected by-and-large by Republicans using the donations of Republicans and masquerading by the way as a Republican. If Potts really wants to run as an independent, unobstructed by the Party requirements to actually run for the Republican nomination, then he should go all the way. After all to quote one of Mr. Potts’ speeches, “Mr. Lindburgh didn’t go only halfway across the Atlantic”. He should resign his position in the Senate and stop calling himself a Republican, independent or not. Were he to make this principled move, I would completely support his being in the debates. I would highly recommend Kilgore take this stance as a requirement for Potts’ inclusion in the debates. It would force Potts to make a truly principled decision rather than to continue to feign his current “principled maverick” cloak that the media has so eagerly donned on him.

  5. James Young Avatar
    James Young

    Good point, john k.

    But since when have far Lefties ever maintained a principle when abandoning was to their advantage?

  6. Jim Bacon Avatar
    Jim Bacon

    Let’s be honest with ourselves, please. All this hoo-ha over the debate is self-interested maneuvering on the part of all parties. Potts wants to debate because, as a marginal candidate, he wants visibility. Kaine wants Potts in the debate because he thinks he’ll take siphon off more Republican votes than Democratic votes. Does anyone seriously think that if Potts started running to the left and making inroads in Kaine’s constituency that the editorial writers of the Virginian-Pilot would be insisting upon his participation?

    Personally, if I were running in the race, I’d welcome a debate with Potts. I think the man is a buffoon. It’s a sad commentary that Kilgore isn’t confident that he’d run rings around the guy.

  7. James Young Avatar
    James Young

    Only two things to disagree with. First, you question at the end of the first paragraph presumes that Potts isn’t running to the left. Ignore that “R” next to his name — which no longer belongs there — and where would you peg him?

    As to your second paragraph, I agree that Potts is a buffoon. So was Ross Perot, and letting him on the stage, as much as anything or a few things, is why we had to endure eight years of the Great Prevaricator. So I don’t think the question is so much confidence about running rings around the guy as it is unnecessarily elevating him and having him do damage by seeming less buffoonish.

  8. criticallythinking Avatar
    criticallythinking

    Bob Marshall presents very well.

    Meanwhile, Potts is very popular among democrats who actively read blogs and are voting for Kaine.

    Richmond Times/Dispatch just ran an unscientific online poll. They didn’t even list Potts. They had Kilgore, Kaine, and “Other”.

    Other ended up with 5%. Whatever those illusive Potts supporters do, they apparently don’t spend time looking for online polls to support their candidate.

    If Kilgore had said he would debate Potts if he got to 15%, the Democrats would have had their supporters say they were for Potts just to get him in the debates.

    Virtually nobody who is undecided is going to watch a debate between Potts and Kaine. They probably won’t even watch the Kilgore/Kaine debates. Until October, I suppose, then maybe they will take some interest if the news polls don’t have one guy so far ahead that it doesn’t matter.

    Not an opinion about whether Kilgore SHOULD debate, just an opinion about how important this is. I suppose if the news outlets do Kaine’s work for him, they might be able to drum up support for this debate issue.

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