Can Threat Assessment Teams Function in Schools Practicing PBIS?

Stone Bridge High School Chantilly

by James C. Sherlock

Last I read, Attorney General Miyares’ Loudoun County special grand jury is still empaneled.

There is another matter worthy of investigation in the cases of the rapes of two school girls in Loudoun County high schools.

That is the matter of the threat assessment teams (TATS) in each school.

The special grand jury, an investigating and reporting body, offers a very important opportunity to understand why these school safety structures required by Virginia laws, which failed at the institution of higher education (IHE) level in the case of a shooter at UVa, failed as well under a parallel law in two different Loudoun high schools that hosted a double rapist.

The TAT system in these two high school cases may prove to have been unused, a violation of that law.

But in practice a TAT may be unable to function as designed…

  • in schools in which a discipline system of Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) exists as in Loudoun County; or
  • in an IHE which consciously avoids making judgments on student conduct and is unduly sensitive to cultural and racial scorecards.

Virginia school divisions and the General Assembly need the details of what happened in the cases of the TATS in those two high schools to assess whether both law and practice of threat assessment need to be adjusted, or indeed if school safety is even compatible with PBIS.

The short answer to that last question, based on my research and reporting, appears to be no.

The same school officials who administer PBIS are by law members of the TAT.

Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) is defined by its proponents as “a way to create positive, predictable, equitable and safe learning environments where everyone thrives.”

When you implement PBIS with fidelity, it fits seamlessly within your local context. To do that requires a focus on aspects of culture and equity.

The ultimate goal of implementing PBIS data, systems, and practices is to improve outcomes. Families, students, and educators set goals and work together to achieve them. In PBIS, outcomes might include behavioral, social, emotional, and academic growth; positive school climate; or fewer office discipline referrals.

PBIS deplores out-of-school discipline. It keeps score by an official reporting system. The one with the highest score in this system is not the winner.

By contrast, the TAT system, under Virginia law, is tasked with “the assessment of and intervention with individuals whose behavior may pose a threat to the safety of school staff or students.”

A TAT…

  1. is tasked to identify threats;
  2. must make sure internally that they are fair, but must be immune to considerations of how such identifications may be interpreted by culture and equity scorekeepers; and
  3. is focused on “office discipline referrals” in the case of individuals who threaten school safety.

TATS and PBIS are clearly bad cultural fits, requiring two different approaches to and philosophies on discipline by their members, who in K-12 schools are the same people.

I hope the Loudoun special grand jury will investigate and report…

  • whether the TATs, as required by Virginia law, were even convened in those schools in the case of the rapist; and
  • whether those two systems co-exist well in the two high schools. Or even could.

The deliberations of a grand jury are secret, so they may already be on it.

We hope so.


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52 responses to “Can Threat Assessment Teams Function in Schools Practicing PBIS?”

  1. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    More importantly, can threat assessment teams function in schools adhering to Constitutional Rights?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You hit upon the clear solution. Abolish threat assessment teams. I applaud that.

      Let law enforcement authorities do that job in schools with support from but not interference by other officials.

      That is what you are getting at, correct?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Probable cause.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Had probable cause in all three cases.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Who said dat?

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The Captain. He’s in charge here at the White House…

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Then LEO shoulda been there.

          4. If a rape charge was alleged against a teacher, wouldn’t that require that he or she be put on administrative leave until it was resolved?

            So why couldn’t a student be asked to attend virtual classes pending completion of an investigation, rather than transferred to another school?

            “The Superintendent or designee is authorized to temporarily relieve an employee of their duties pending an investigation into an allegation of employee misconduct or unsatisfactory work performance. Under such circumstances, the Superintendent or designee may place the employee on administrative leave with pay, pending the completion of the investigation and any subsequent corrective action. An employee’s placement on unpaid investigatory suspension or paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation shall not be considered disciplinary in nature. No determination regarding the alleged misconduct or unsatisfactory performance shall be made until the administrative investigation is concluded and sufficient facts have been gathered.”

            https://www.vbschools.com/about_us/our_leadership/school_board/policies_and_regulations/section_4/4-17

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            When? Time Captain, is a b….

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Law enforcement was a central figure in the high school case. Did not seem to handle it very well…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          They WERE called immediately. Had school officials continued to investigate, they were in jeopardy of interferring in a criminal investigation. Hard spot meet rock.

          1. If the accused was a teacher, they would not sit on their hands, and it would not be considered interfering in an investigation. The teacher would be put on administrative leave with no determination as to guilt or innocence.

            Transferring the student was action. Did that interfere? Did that assign guilt?

            The transfer was action, but just not effective action to protect other students.

            If millions of students can attend virtually to protect others from COVID-19, the surely an accused rapist could attend virtually.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            But it wasn’t a teacher, now was it?

          3. You are ignoring my point. If it isn’t a violation of constitutional rights to take appropriate measures to protect students from a teacher during an investigation, how would it be a violation to do something similar when a student is the one who poses a potential threat?

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You made that up out of whole cloth.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Just like everything you’ve done to date. But the charge exists, now doesn’t it? The many ways one can run afoul of the law is astounding.

            The solution is obvious. When faced with the unsubstantiated accusation, the school should have suspended him in case he was guilty and her in case she was lying.

            Be careful Captain in your search for absolute good and evil that your sense of moral relativism doesn’t become arbitrary.

  2. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    The 15 year old minor offender pled no contest to two misdemeanors for sexual assault. Conviction of rape would have been a felony. The juvenile was sentenced to a psychiatric facility. The subsequent prosecutions of two school officials may reveal the necessity of enhanced procedures to avoid a future incident.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      This was through the criminal justice system not the school administrative functions.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I stand corrected.

      The prosecutor sought sexual assault not rape convictions. Physically same act, but the charge and thus the punishment is different.

      Thanks, counselor, for reminding us all that Buta did that too.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Rape and sexual assault are not physically identical acts. The latter may include a batch of possibilities not described as rape. Dudgeon should not substitute for facts in reporting.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Read the special grand jury report.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Police unios should march on Richmond and demand the repeal of TAT laws. Let’s see, they’re gonna need a catchy chant… oooh, oooh, I know! They can cross the bridge chanting, “You shall not replace us!”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Ugly! but yes.. it’s very unclear who has the primary responsibility for these things… and when that happens.. the ball gets dropped.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Actually, once law enforcement is called, everyone else has an obligation to butt out.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          And if I was on a TAT team, that’s exactly what I would do …. do the report…to LE.

      2. DJRippert Avatar

        It shouldn’t be unclear. If the threat in question involves a crime, it should be turned over to the police. If the threat is, for example, a threat of widespread cheating on a test, then the academic institution can handle it.

        This whole failed TAT system reminds me of the failed use of kangaroo courts to investigate allegations of sexual misconduct on campus. How many of the accused ended up suing the university and winning?

        The police and the courts exist for a reason and have evolved over hundreds of years to handle threats, investigations. prosecutions and trials.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          totally agree. Dunno what Sherlock is really after.

      3. DJRippert Avatar

        It shouldn’t be unclear. If the threat in question involves a crime, it should be turned over to the police. If the threat is, for example, a threat of widespread cheating on a test, then the academic institution can handle it.

        This whole failed TAT system reminds me of the failed use of kangaroo courts to investigate allegations of sexual misconduct on campus. How many of the accused ended up suing the university and winning?

        The police and the courts exist for a reason and have evolved over hundreds of years to handle threats, investigations. prosecutions and trials.

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Police unios should march on Richmond and demand the repeal of TAT laws. Let’s see, they’re gonna need a catchy chant… oooh, oooh, I know! They can cross the bridge chanting, “You shall not replace us!”

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    TATs like Active Shooter protocols are laws “in theory” rather than hard and fast rules with sanctions for those who do not follow the rules.

    Turns out Uvalde did not have an Active Shooter protocol, the Sheriff was not trained and likely few of his officers.

    I’m thinking that the other law enforcement agencies including the Texas Public Safety folks also did not have a real Active Shooter Protocol and that’s why at the school, no one seems to be in charge much less following active shooter protocols.

    In a way, the TATs are in the same boat.

    They came about after the Tech mass shooting and they appear to be “in theory” without real stipulations and sanctions for not following them.

    Similar thing with sexual misconduct. Who is in charge of dealing with it? The TAT or law enforcement?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, sexual misconduct is an act, not a threat to act….

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I stand corrected. Somehow, they SUPPOSED to KNOW who might engage in sexual misconduct based on….

        well if he already done it once, then yeah…

        but others? hmmm… we’re gonna have teachers reporting that Johnny is “looking” at Jane in an inappropriate way and the TAT should “investigate”?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          that’s like the guy pulled over because the cop said he “looked” like he was going to speed. Wonderful video. I’ll have to find it.

          1. Hey, I was driving a Ferrari – and it turns out he was right…

  6. Seems the roles of PBIS and TAT are reasonably defined. There is a clear difference between threatening behavior and disruptive. The two systems provide a continuum with a fairly clear division between them.

    You have once again jumped to conclusions with no information to base them on.

    Whether either PBIS or TAT was functioning in Loudoun is an entirely different question. The grand jury clearly believed that from how school officials reacted publicly and what they did they were not functioning as required, not just negligently, but criminally. One might have expected the grand jury to have remarked on the TAT either for what it did or what it failed to do.

    You mention UVa. The information we have about events there make it clear that the TAT failed to function and raises the question whether it was designed not to function.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You call it a clear difference. You say I “jumped to conclusions with no information to base them on”.

      Yet I pointed out that at both UVa and in the two Loudoun High Schools the TATs failed to work in the presence of other disciplinary policies and philosophies at the same schools that discouraged suspension and expulsion, especially for protected classes.

      Five students have been shot, three killed and two raped. All by other students each of whom had already flagged as dangerous.

      I’d call that information on which to base my conclusion, wouldn’t you?

      How do you explain that other than the way I have done?

      How would you prevent the same tragedies from happening again?

      Your turn.

      1. I was commenting on your absolutely unsupported leap to unwarranted conclusions:

        “But in practice a TAT may be unable to function as designed… in schools in which a discipline system of Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) exists as in Loudoun County; or… TATS and PBIS are clearly bad cultural fits, requiring two different
        approaches to and philosophies on discipline by their members, who in
        K-12 schools are the same people.”

        PBIS and TAT have different functions and different operations. They address different problems using “two different approaches to and philosophies on discipline”.

        That is exactly what we want and expect. Treat kids being disruptive who need socialization differently from those raping girls in the bathroom. Duh! It ain’t rocket science.

        Tiers of engagement are not “clearly bad cultural fits” as you so groundlessly advocate. They are appropriately separate responses to profoundly different behavior.

        Can Loudoun schools walk and chew gum at the same time? I dunno, but we here at BR should be able to.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          How did that work out at UVa and the two Loudoun high schools.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        Sherlock talks like there is a sure-fire way to detect most all threats and prevent most all bad stuff if folks do their job right.

        And if bad stuff happens, someone needs to be held accountable…

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          What in the cases of the two high schools, if the threat assessment teams were not even convened with direct warning from staff in the first high school and an accused rapist in the second?

          Should someone be held accountable?

          What if, at UVa, the threat assessment team was notified and did nothing?

          Should someone be held accountable?

          What if a common thread among all three was accusations against protected classes?

          Should any part of the system be changed?

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            If humans and/or their systems were perfect, we would not need BR.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Nor would we need law enforcement systems. Since we do, it would be better if they worked.

          3. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            That’s debatable.

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Finally, a true perspective of your societal beliefs. Thank you.

          5. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            But, but…..you’re the commenter who questions whether LEO systems work. I know up is not down but I fear you confuse them.

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Neither does law enforcement work in many cases. The Loudoun case bring a good example. Maybe they were too woke, eh Sherlock…?

          7. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Nor would we need law enforcement systems. Since we do, it would be better if they worked.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Do we really in either case? Really? It’s reactionary literature.

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Can they? Can one school inform the other?

            Remember back in our day, the professor used to post grades? List of names and grades hung on the door for all the world to see. What happened to that? And those grades were facts, not allegations.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: from Sherlock: ” Should any part of the system be changed?”

    Perhaps but just because something is a law, does not mean it’s necessarily workable or practical and that seems to be the case with TAT. I strongly suspect that there are few schools with fully functional Tats for a number of reasons involving practicality, staffing and costs, probably.

    Beyond that , there is some “gray” between the School, the TAT and Law Enforcement IMO. “Gray” leads to problems.

    I think the law that created the TAT may have created some “gray” as to who was responsible for what.

    Same church, different pew as to how Colleges handled sexual misconduct versus just reporting it to Law Enforcement altogether.

  8. Bob X from Texas Avatar
    Bob X from Texas

    If it wasn’t so sad the stupidity of woke teachers and principals would be funny.

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