At Last, a Real Land Use Debate

The transportation-land use connection is finally getting debated.

Although Gov. Timothy M. Kaine had made transportation/land use an issue in his gubernatorial campaign, it never got more than token coverage by the scribblers in the Mainstream Media who decide how debates are framed and presented to the public. When the House GOP leadership tried raising the issue again in the September special session, their package of land use reforms — arguably the most far-reaching changes to the state governance structure since the 1930s — got about as much ink as a proclamation honoring the ladies’ auxiliary of the Chatham volunteer rescue squad.

This time around, the House initiative is generating headlines. Although much of the attention is predictably negative, at least voters are aware that an alternative does exist to the state-run, tax-and-build policies of the past 70 years.

The most balanced coverage comes courtesy of Corey Byers and Meghann Cotter at the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star. That article, which gives equal time to the authors of the House legislation and to local government critics, raises the key issue: Can local governments do a better job of planning for and maintaining local roads than the state can? The Free Lance-Star quotes House Speaker William J. Howell:

We think local governments can probably do as good a job, if not better, maintaining secondary roads. … Answering the problem of transportation is broader than raising taxes and giving the money to VDOT. The prime culprit is increasing sprawl.

Local government officials in the Fredericksburg area responded fairly predictably: The problem isn’t local land use policies — or if it is, it was zoning decisions made years ago. The solution isn’t structural reform, it’s more money from the state.

Agree with whom you want to — at least we’re getting a debate.

As predictable as the reaction of local officials was the negative reaction of pundits at the Roanoke Times and the Washington Post.

The Times editorialist does credit House leaders with raising a legitimate issue even if, in the final analysis, he thinks they are wrong-headed about taxes: “Their proposals to tie local land-use decisions to transportation costs put smart-growth ideas on the state agenda for the first time in a serious way, challenging powerful development lobbies. The shift in priorities is years overdue.”

The Times‘ concern is that the House initiative shifts “blame” for the transportation crisis from where it really belongs — the House refusal to raise more stable, long-term revenues for transportation, or to augment the powers of local governments to block development along the lines that Gov. Kaine has proposed. You can agree or disagree with the Times analysis, but at least the editorial writers are tentatively exploring new ground and not re-hashing the same editorials of the past three years.

Then there’s the Washington Post, which, in a self-parody of knee-jerk, tax-and-spend liberalism, makes the editorial writers at the small-metro Roanoke Times look profound and nuanced by comparison. In a spittle-flecked screed that barely deserves the honorific of “editorial,” the Post devotes some 650 words blasting the House legislation without ever describing what it would do.

“Don’t be fooled,” cautions the WaPo editorial headline, “Virginia Republicans are the ones starving the state’s transportation network.”

Don’t be fooled by what? The Post never says. The closest the editorial comes to summarizing House transportation policy is to note that it would spend half the state’s budget surplus, $500 million, on one-time transportation projects. The Post mentioned not one word –not one word — of House plans to devolve more responsibility for road planning and maintenance to local governments. The editorial is not merely one-sided, it is so one-sided as to be deceptive. Perhaps worse, it is ignorant. The wine-and-brie yokels at the Post are either so close minded or so uninformed that they aren’t aware that alternative viewpoints even exist.

Fortunately, Northern Virginia residents don’t have to rely upon whacko WaPo editorial writers for their information. One way or another, new perspectives on the transportation debate are leaking into the public domain.


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23 responses to “At Last, a Real Land Use Debate”

  1. Anonymous Avatar

    Dear Jim:

    I have come to realize your blog is the home of a variety
    of anti-social, anti-civic, anti-tax activisits who will be
    in the corner of the GOP House of Delegates conservative
    caucus until the cows fly over the moon.

    My view is that our local newspaper and the Washington Post
    articles this morning highlight the failings of the Republican
    plan announced this past week by the House leadership.

    Both newspapers discussed how that plan does not deal with the
    problems fast growing communities are struggling to deal with today,
    how the House is trying to shove these burdens off on local governments
    and how the GOP may loose control of the General Assembly in the fall
    2007 elections if they do not produce a more constructive plan to deal
    with our growth and transportation issues.

    I hope your readers will go to the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star
    (fredericksburg.com) and The Washington Post (washingtonpost.com)
    and read their respective articles about our transportaion problems
    for themselves.

    Sincerely,

    Rodger Provo
    Fredericksburg, VA

  2. Rtwng Extrmst Avatar
    Rtwng Extrmst

    Jim,

    The WAPO is more interested in setting the stage for Democrats in the fall statehouse elections than they are in getting out the facts. If the public views the Republicans as having no new ideas and “only saying no” as some independent republicans even say, then it’s a big leg up for the Dems.

  3. Rtwng Extrmst Avatar
    Rtwng Extrmst

    Jim,

    The WAPO is more interested in setting the stage for Democrats in the fall statehouse elections than they are in getting out the facts. If the public views the Republicans as having no new ideas and “only saying no” as some “independent republicans” even say, then it’s a big leg up for the Dems. Good job on shedding some light on the truth.

  4. Reid Greenmun Avatar
    Reid Greenmun

    Hum, Roger – perhaps you confuse citizens with a true concern for the future of our nation, our state, our regions, – and the future of our communities and “anti-[fill-in-the-blank]”.

    So you can better understand me, I am an advocate for better government.

    I am an advocate for freedom.

    I am an advocate for the free market and a capitalistic economy.

    I am an advocate for the sub-urban “American Dream” as a precious benefit of being blessed to live in our nation.

    I am an advocate for preserving the high quality of life so many of us enjoy in our low-density suburban neighborhoods – and communities.

    I am an advocate for improving our state’s transportation system and mobility.

    I also support common sense approaches to problem solving.

    Those that advocate a “problem solving approach” for our state’s transportation infrastructure that advocate raising taxes with no plan or commitment for how the money will be spent are clearly not following a rational process.

    The “must increase dedicated transportation revenue” without a commitment for how my family’s and my neighbor’s money will be spent are misguided.

    Futher, if the real “crisis” is reducing traffic congestion, I have already shared many ways to accomplish that goal that do not include spending billions of additional tax funds to build more roads – or to build fixed light rail systems that are not effective as people carriers in low density suburban/rural ‘ring cities’.

    Common sense should encourage any new home buyer to have the opportunity to inspect the home they are buying BEFORE they begin paying the mortgage.

    To advocate such rational business sense is not to be “anti” anything – other than anti-foolish.

  5. Jim Bacon Avatar

    Rodger, I quite agree: I hope that our readers do read the Free Lance-Star article and the Washington Post editorial — in that order.

    In the Free Lance-Star, they’ll get a feel for the debate that’s taking shape. They’ll actually see both sides of the issue. In the Washington Post, they’ll see for themselves just how unhinged the Post editorial writers are. Indeed, they may wonder if they’re reading about the same issues, the same debate or even the same state.

  6. OK, so the alternative to tax and build is don’t tax and don’t build. We can solve our problems by driving less and planning on having plenty of company when we do drive.

    We can save money and energy and drive less by living in smaller homes in more crowded neighborhoods which will cost more by virtue of the government monopoly provided to a few big builders through the concept of urban growth boundaries. If we make them crowded enough we can meet all our needs with a few local and trendy shops within walking distance.

    Those growth boundaries will push all our problems into a smaller area where we can continue to try to solve them through an expensive and ever escalating array of still more poorly planned and underfunded technical solutions.

    Every place else will be increasingly placed off limits by a variety of overlapping requirements which, however, can be run roughshod over by the truly powerful like Dominion Electric and PJM Interconnect.

    Some plan.

  7. Anonymous Avatar

    Dear Jim, Larry, Ray, Reid:

    Every generation has a responsibility in our country to
    contribute the resources that has made us such a great
    success story.

    Those contributions include our colleges and universities,
    public schools, housing, hospitals, highways, ports, airports,
    parks, rail lines, national security etc.

    None of us would enjoy the life we have had in this country
    if others had not made those contributions over the years.
    Think about it …. quit being so selfish in the agenda you
    are promoting and think about what you will leave for our
    children and grandchildren …..

    Sincerely,

    Rodger Provo
    Fredericksburg, VA

  8. Reid Greenmun Avatar
    Reid Greenmun

    Roger,

    You wrote to me and a few others:

    ” . . .quit being so selfish in the agenda you
    are promoting and think about what you will leave for our
    children and grandchildren …..”

    I have a counter proposal for you.

    Stop making uninformed assumptions about other people’s motives/”agenda” or our behavior (selfish) when you are so clearly wrong and do not know them.

    Throwing around accusations of being “selfish” when someone (Me for example) advocates responsible decision-making in regard to spending our money is not only unfair, in is inflammatory and serves to degrade the conversation.

    My “agenda” (to use your term) is focused on the world my generation will leave to our children..

    My hope for my children is that they too will know the joys of growing up with the option of having the same wonderful suburban childhood I was blessed with having.

    While some may tend to look at fine, low-density suburban neighborhoods through dim-colored glasses, they only see “dreaded sprawl”. Me? I see the American Dream in all its glory.

    Perhaps those that seek to deprive my daughter and my grand kids of this wonderful place to grow up are the one’s being “selfish”?

    Instead of seeking ways to sustain our high quality of life in our many fine suburban neighborhoods THEY are driven by selfish motives to advocate a lower Quality of Life because they believe to do so is to offer cheaper ways to keep their addiction to new “growth”??? – –and still, somehow keep people able to move around, to commute to work, to shop, and trucks to keep moving goods around???

    No, I don’t subscribe to the opinion that all people advocating “smart growth” or “new urbanism” have selfish motives.

    Some believe that such neighborhoods are “better” for “society”.

    Okay. I listen to their views. I even ‘see’ their economic-based reasons to support such new development.

    But, it isn’t “selfish” to disagree with the “transportation solutions” that the Virginia Governor and the Senate’s Democrat and RINOs keep pushing – that being the quest to raise taxes with no plan on the table – nor any accountable commitment for any transportation improvements.

    Rodger,

    To disagree with such a ‘plan’ isn’t selfish – it is intelligent, rational, and also in keeping with working to hand over my children – and grand children – a government that can be “sustainable” as well.

    Roger, you write this:

    “…. Every generation has a responsibility in our country to
    Contribute the resources that has made us such a great
    success story.

    We agree.

    Our government is a “resource” too. And allowing our government to go down the drain by agreeing with foolish processes for “problem solving” is also doing a disservice to future generations.

    Like I always say, The price for Good Roads does not have to be Bad Government.

    Show me the “plan” – if it is good, I’ll show you the money.

    Signing blank checks is dumb. So is signing a blank contract with the promise of “thrust me, I’ll fill in the details later – and you will LOVE them!”

    Frankly, the state’s track record regarding transportation has not lead me to conclude they (the GA, the CTB, VDOT, the PDCs/MPOs, and BOS/City Councils/Developers) have the capacity to keep such a ‘promise’.

    Hum, didn’t they promise the same thing back in 1986 – they last time the “solution” was raising the gas tax????

  9. E M Risse Avatar

    Roger:

    Hang on there, we will have a post ready soon that may help you see The Rebellion in a more comprehensive light.

    Over the years you and I have agreed on a lot of things and I believe there is a lot we could agree on now.

    The issue is how far down Business As Usual has to take the citizens of the Commonwealth before the scope and importance of Fundamental Change in settlement patterns and Fundamental Change in governance structure is recognized.

    The first thing to realize is that neither existing political party has anything on their agenda except the next election. Check out three of our last four columns: “Bread and Circuses,” Moldy Bread, Lame Circuses” and “Clueless Parties.” Also see our most recent Backgrounder “A New Metric for Citizen Well-Being” all at db4.dev.baconsrebellion.com

    Keep up the good work…

    EMR

  10. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    Wow! I’m still trying to figure out how demanding fiscal responsibility and accountability qualifies one for “anti-social” status.

    If I didn’t know better .. I’d think this is really about Pork-Barrel Politics – Virginia Style.

    For the record – I think transportation and mobility are absolutely vital for economic vitality and quality of life but I think we’re on a wrong, wrong track.

    Roger still thinks we can build our way out of congestion and that those of us who refuse to agree to finance that folly are “anti-social”.

    If Roger would do one simple thing – put a price tag on what he advocates either for Fredericksburg or Virginia and then suggest a way to pay for it then we could have a discussion more rational that hurling anti-social invective.

    This is my biggest problem with pro-tax advocates… They don’t seem to know how much.. they just want MORE.

  11. Anonymous Avatar

    Ed:

    I agree with you. I think we need land use reform and new
    modes of transportation. The House package fails to deal
    with out need to encourage new growth to be directed to the
    rebuilding of our cities and older suburbs, thus helping us
    be in a position to build new light rail lines and streetcar
    systems and getting people out of cars. Their plan does
    nothing for more mature counties such as Fairfax, Henrico,
    Chesterfield and James City. Nor will it help Virginia Beach
    or Chesapeake. You do not want urban growth areas to push
    more growth further out, but instead we need plans to force
    the growth at closer in locations. High energy costs may
    force this as well in coming years.

    The writers on this blog fail to understanding that there are
    thousands of lots in Stafford and Spotsylvania, for example,
    or zoned parcels not yet subdivided that the House plans offers
    no help. Nor do they want to acknowledge that job growth is
    the engine driving the development pressures. Nor do they
    want to face to the fact the new container port now being
    built in Portsmouth will handle 1 million units a year … those
    containers will have to go on our already crowded highways on
    trucks and rail lines. We have a mess on our hands.

    What we need in the state is more people telling the Governor,
    the Senate and the House to get your act together and face up
    to these problems. We need some leadership. This thing has
    been spun for election purposes given the 2007 elections and
    we are going to suffer because of that. Construction costs in
    recent years have gone whacko. Which means every year we delay
    tackling these problems the more they are going to cost to fix.

    Sincerely,

    Rodger Provo
    Fredericksburg, Virginia

  12. Anonymous Avatar

    Rodger – What’s wrong with the equation? We see a major economic expansion of a port in Hampton Roads, but the net result, at least, in your view is that economic growth should result in higher taxes for all Virginians.

    From what I’ve read, it would seem that most of the goods are being imported and will go to other areas around the US. That’s fine and good, but hardly a reason for a general tax increase. Why not build private toll roads for those trucks? So long as the price for using the new port and the tolls are less than alternative port and shipping costs, the companies bringing in the imports would continue to use our new port and toll road.

    As far as adding more people to Fairfax County, who is going to pay for the added infrastructure to support the added population? We already have middle school children eating lunch before 10 am. I guess that we should just pay higher taxes so more people can move here and our 7th graders can eat lunch before 9 am next. The problem is that development in Virginia does NOT pay for itself. Kaine’s tax increase just makes it worse.

  13. Jim Wamsley Avatar
    Jim Wamsley

    Roger:

    We understand that “there are thousands of lots in Stafford and Spotsylvania, for example, or zoned parcels not yet subdivided that the House plans offers no help.”
    We also “acknowledge that job growth is the engine driving the development pressures.”

    We also understand that there are homes in Virginia’s cities and inner suburbs that need help. We have been living off past contributions for our colleges and universities, public schools, hospitals, highways, parks, rail lines, etc. The average school needs reconditioning, rebuilding or replacement. Too many students go to school in trailers. Too many bridges need replacement. Too many rail lines have hot weather restrictions. Too much of our time is spent on congested roads.

    We look at the job growth and find that the Commonwealths spending priorities are misplaced. More jobs are being added in Northern Virginia then in Stafford and Spotsylvania.

    When the General Assembly addresses the problems of the Commonwealth, I will back new taxes. As long as the General Assembly continues to use the tax system to advance the “developers” social agenda, I will be a skeptic.

  14. Anonymous Avatar

    JW – Well stated. There are unlimited needs (I’ll discuss some below) and, believe it or not, limited resources. Schools need reconstruction, etc.

    Fairfax County schools just released the 2008 CIP. Here are a few highlights. The County’s fiscal guidelines permit borrowing of $155 M per year by the Schools. FCPS has flat or slightly declining enrollment. Through 2012, FCPS will have a deficit of 269 classrooms in elementary schools. (Funny how people decide where they want to live and that’s not always where there will be excess classrooms.) There will be some spare capacity at both middle & high schools. But again, some schools are still crowded.

    For the next five years, capital needs total $794.6 M, with $329.5 M funded with exsting bonds. $465.1 M not funded with existing bonds.

    Moving out through 2016, total capital needs are $1.975 B, of which $1.3 B is not yet funded by bonds.

    Bottom line, taxpayers will need to pay taxes to fund the interest and debt repayment on almost $2 billion in bonds. Plus ongoing expenses for the schools. This is for a school system that is not growing. I cannot imagine a situation where all of these capital requests would be ignored.

    This is but one set of problems that also require money. I’d like to see the Governor, the Senate and the tax-happy crowd institute a few reforms before they raise taxes. Is that unreasonable?

  15. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    re: “there are thousands of lots in Stafford and Spotsylvania, for example, or zoned parcels not yet subdivided that the House plans offers no help.”

    Roger refers to the FLS article that alludes to PRIOR land-use decisions that now saddle existing BOS members – and true.

    But the potential of the “by-right” is a bit hyped. Yes there is a lot of land designated for residential but at densities around 1 house per 5 acres or so AND almost all of this land is NOT served by water/sewer.

    Most developers don’t want to build one or two at a time. They want dozens/hundreds connected to water/sewer. This requires a rezone – and there are no BOS left to fall off the turnip truck these days. They’ve all wised up.

    The school population in Spotsylvania not only has leveled off .. it’s actually gone down a bit this year.

    People in the Fredericksburg Area are willing to pay to have the roads upgraded and most of them don’t expect taxpayers from outside of Fredericksburg to pay to fix Fredericksburg’s roads.

    I just think that those that claim that the State has “abdicated it’s responsibilities” with respect to roads is
    deceptive and borders on lying to the public.

    If you ask these same advocates to put a number on the need .. and how much taxes will be required to meet that need – they’re off to the woods to take a pee break.

    Where do you see any of these advocates talking specifics in terms of how high to raise taxes and what kind of money would result to each locality from those taxes?

    They really do not want a public discussion with regard to specifics… but rather a “stampede” of the masses to “demand” tax increases – even though POLL after POLL shows clearly that support for tax increases is below 25% EVEN for transportation.

    If Fact, twice as many folks ARE WILLING to pay TOLLS to get more roads.

    Why is this path – that will raise money and is agreeable to many voters not acceptable?

    Again.. there is deafening silence from the pro-tax advocates. Why?

    I don’t think the pro-taxes want a dialogue in the first place. They essentially want business as usual.

    Get the money… get the good ole boys back behind closed doors and do what they think is right no matter what the public thinks.

    It’s just plain bad public policy in my opinion and it IS the reason why there is support for the no-tax guys.

    Until the pro-taxers are willing to have an honest public discussion about specifics.. I think there will continue to be no joy.

  16. nova_middle_man Avatar
    nova_middle_man

    I think the main problem with this issue is it is so large and complex all the “sides” are talking in different languages. I see three main topics trying to be dealt with

    1. Who will pay for “past projects”

    Virginia is growing at a rapid rate and growth has increased faster than funding for new roads/transit has been available

    Main points
    – Localities decided where growth would occur knowing how much transportation funding would be available
    – Some localities have used local funds to pay for transportation projects
    – There are transportation issues across the commonwealth that require resources due to natural population and growth increases
    – Transportation is a state responsibility

    Possible solution(s)

    Additional state funding (debate how much)
    Albo-Rust bill (crowded localities raise taxes (this is important) for growth caused by past development aka taxing the correct people who contributed and benefited from past development and “punishing?” localities for poor planning

    Bottom Line IMHO:

    Since transportation is a state responsibilty STATE funds should be used to pay for past transportation projects. In the future things might be different but up until this point the State has been responsible for all transportation needs and should fund all of them.

    Now********************************

    2. How should future growth occur?
    (This is the real debate that should be occuring, included here should there be regional or even state planning?)

    The house has provided a plan for incentifying growth near existing inferstructure. Local jurisdictions still have ultimate control on zoning and growth issues. This is still a weak area and arguments could occur about whether additional incentives could be used for “smart growth”

    Bottom Line

    – What the heck is “smart growth”

    – How (or should) government try and influence development and should planning occur at the region or statelevel. Who should serve, appointments?

    3. Who should pay for future transportation needs and projects?

    Part of the house plan provides for a partial possible “future solution” by requring local jurisdictions to pay for local roads. There needs to be open debate about whether this solution is the best for the future of Virginia (as an aside most counties would have the option of signing on).

    Since maintanence and building costs are increasing and the revenue effectiveness of the gas tax is decreasing additional funding is needed for regional and state roads and some local roads because even if the house proposal passes not all counties will qualify or want to maintina their local roads.

    Possible solutions include tolls, HOT lanes, raising different taxes and/or fees and public/private partnerships.

    So in summary growth outstripped transportation funding and now we have to deal with it using state funds and possibly punishing localities for not planning smartly/growing too fast via regional taxes.

    Payment for future transportation needs will most likely fall on the state and possiblty a minor amount on some local jurisdictions for local residential streets.

    To avoid having this debate in 2026 more time and effort should be spent on how development occurs and what are the best and most efficient transportation solutions.

    Regardless, additional funding is needed both for roads/transit that should have been built to accomdate present growth which could be offset by having certain regions taxed Albo/Rust for growing too quickly or not smartly enough AND roads/transit that will need to be built to accomodate future growth which could be offset by having more tolls, public private partnerships, and impact fees on new development.

  17. Jim Wamsley Avatar
    Jim Wamsley

    nova_middle_man said…
    I think the main problem with this issue is it is so large and complex all the “sides” are talking in different languages. I see three main topics trying to be dealt with

    Let’s add:.

    4. Should transportation tax dollars go for pork or for congestion relief?

  18. Reid Greenmun Avatar
    Reid Greenmun

    Jim, I agree with your number 4. Good point.

    To add to it slightly – in addition to “pork” we might consider this question:

    4. Should transportation tax dollars go for pork, to pave the way (pun indended) for even more development, or for congestion relief?

  19. Anonymous Avatar

    Pork – What about the $4 billion plus tab for the Silver Line that doesn’t reduce traffic congestion one single bit? (See the table from the Commonwealth’s EIS that I posted on my blog in September for the details.)

    I suggest that there’s a strong correlation between Kaine’s support for that project and the campaign contributions he received from Tysons Corner landowners. And Kaine is not alone.

    The biggest problem that I see is that transportation in Virginia is not about moving people and goods in an efficient manner. It’s all about land speculation — enriching a few at the cost of many.

    I guess that the Post believes corruption in Washington is bad, but it’s fine in Richmond, so long as taxes are raised.

  20. There are some places where you simply cannot pave the way to congestion relief. The Arlington transportation plan says as much. EMR is right, the only way you can fix that is to rebalance Arlington, meaning less jobs.

    Arlington is probably the best example we have of smart growth at work, yet after thirty years of experimenting with metro and metro oreinted development, they now have a higher proportion of people driving outside the county to work. There are some things that are just too big and too complex to plan. We can;t even agree on the language, let alone the goals.

    Or the means to reach them.

    We can’t fix Arlington with more roads. And the problems it causes reach all the way to Centreville. But, if you think that roads cause land speculation, just wait till yoou start moving jobs. Watch what happens with BRAC.

    I’m not sure it is useful or correct to paint roadbuilding with the speculator’s tarbrush. It is a popular perception, but there are too many studies that suggest otherwise, and too many places where roads have failed to generate business. It takes more than pavement to create a community.

    Land speculation may enrich a few at the expense of many, but preventing growth enriches many at the cost of a few. And the growth just goes someplace else. I’d suggest that one is just as inequitable as the other.

    So, where is the middle ground when neither sides will take hostages?

  21. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    I can agree about the comment about folks “talking past each other”.

    I can also agree that we’re facing the two issues: 1. fixing what has been broken and 2. reform for the future

    Alas – the folks who are responsible for the thinking behind WHY transportation IS broke are STILL involved in decisions.

    More money for them without reform merely let’s them to continue their wasteful and wanton approach to pork barrel politics and road-building.

    These folks will never/ever agree to reform that focuses transportation on mobility and congestion relief because they fundamentally believe that growth and development is a wealth-inducing activity that SHOULD be juiced up with more roads.

    Transportation funds are the mother of all cookie jars and if you don’t believe this – take a trip to the VPAP (Virginia Public Access Project) website to see who lobbies the GA with big money and in also in significant numbers of lobby boots on the ground.

    This “discussion” has gone on for decades. What has changed is that in years past… anything related to growth and development in terms of provisioning adequate infrastructure that got put into the legislative hopper never made it past the very first sub-committee meeting… in GA parlance – “passed over” but that was the polite treatment. Others routinely and summarily flushed upon first reading.

    What has changed is the VDOT money machine finally ran out of money and the old argument that roads pay for themselves has been exposed as a lie. It never was true. Fully 1/3 of the VDOT budget comes from the general sales tax.

    So NOW… we finally get the debate about transportation and the folks who loved the VDOT cash register days are still around and still kicking and still advocating for higher taxes because once they get the higher taxes, the rest of this “reform” stuff will, once again, be summarily flushed days if not hours after bills put into the legislative hopper.

    So …. we have LOTs of talk and even some debate.. but I can tell you.. the same guys who lobby the GA against growth and development bills are STILL walking those halls and STILL making campaign contributions.

  22. Jim Wamsley Avatar
    Jim Wamsley

    At 10:20 PM, Reid Greenmun said…

    Thank you for improving my suggestion. I suggest another tweak. “Congestion relief” should be expanded to “improved access and congestion relief.”

    4. Should transportation tax dollars go for pork, to pave the way (pun indended) for even more development, or for improved access and congestion relief?

    There are areas of the state where transportation projects will not provide congestion relief. Neither highway nor transit projects provide peak period congestion relief. Projects for these locations need to be measured by improved access times. Highway projects need to be compared to transit projects by the reduction in hours of congested flow observed and predicted. Latent demands and unmet transportation needs create problems during any discussion of congestion relief. The public doesn’t recognize that congestion reduces capacity by a third and rejects demand management projects that would improve conditions.

  23. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Dear Jim and Others:

    The anti-tax, anti-government, anti-social backwoods
    spirit of the writers for this blog never cease to
    amaze me. God help us all if this crowd ever got
    control of our government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sincerely,

    Rodger Provo
    Fredericksburg

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