AP Scores Tell a Familiar Tale

Credit: Virginia Department of Education

by James A. Bacon

There is happy news from the release of the latest College Board scores. Nearly three out of 10 of Virginia’s 2020 public high school graduates demonstrated college-level achievement on at least one AP exam, reports the Virginia Department of Education in a press release today. The percentage was down — from 28.8% last year to 28.6% this year — but only slightly. Additionally, the percentage of Virginia students earning a score of 3 or higher in the AP’s 5-point scale was 10th best in the nation, and significantly higher than the national average of 28.6%.

On the other hand, wide disparities persisted between the at which Asians (52%), whites (28.1%), Hispanics (24.3%) and blacks (9.1%) made the grade. The Northam administration has made “equity” the top educational priority of his administration, but Superintendent of Public Education James Lane acknowledged, “There are still wide disparities in participation in outcomes when we compare data for different student groups.”

Another way of slicing the data is to look at the average score for all exams, which the College Board makes available online tot he public. By that metric, we get these averages broken down by race/ethnicity for Virginia’s major demographic groups:

There is seeming good news here. The average of AP scores actually inched higher in 2020. And thanks to an improvement in average scores by blacks and a dip by whites, the so-called equity gap shrank. So, why didn’t VDOE trumpet that result?

I can’t speak for VDOE but I can speculate. One factor affecting average scores is the percentage of the school population taking the AP exams. Larger percentages tend to score lower because more academically marginal students are being tested. Smaller percentages mean the opposite. Here’s how the number of students who tested breaks down.

Thus, we can see that the number of Virginia students taking AP exams dropped 6.55% overall. It dropped the most for black students, followed closely by Hispanic students, and significantly for white students also. (Whites saw a large drop in the percentage who tested and a decline in average test scores, a pretty miserable performance all around.) Thus, any overall improvement in AP test  performance is illusory, and VDOE was honest enough to not try to pull the wool over anybody’s eyes.

Asian students far out-perform all other groups. The degree to which they excel is understated in these numbers because a much higher percentage of Asian students take AP exams than so for any other group. Asians dig deeper into their academic bench, so to speak, yet they still get higher average scores.

The idea that we hear increasingly from our woke educational establishment, that public schools are a “white supremacist” system, is utterly absurd. Based on academic achievement, it would be more accurate to call it an “Asian supremacist” system. But, of course, that would be absurd as well. Asians do better because they have adapted better to the system, not because it was designed to maintain their superiority or anybody else’s.

Asian-Americans are the educational-achievement standard bearers in Virginia, and the rest of the United States. Everyone should be emulating them. Watering down standards and in the name of equity doesn’t lift anyone up. It only tears people down.


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70 responses to “AP Scores Tell a Familiar Tale”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    Asians are a fraction of one percent at most schools in Virginia. Right?

    I think the total number for the entire state is something like 50,000.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    Asians are a fraction of one percent at most schools in Virginia. Right?

    I think the total number for the entire state is something like 50,000.

  3. Asians comprise more than 5% of Virginia’s population.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      school population?

      If you query build-a-table (or just look at this link) – the vast majority of public schools in Virginia have less than 1# Asian:

      http://proximityone.com/sd_va.htm

      it looks like a good many are in NoVa, not RoVa

      1. So what? Asians are concentrated in the major metro areas and most populous school districts. The fact that Accomack County is 0.3% Asian is nothing when Fairfax County is 15% Asian.

  4. Asians comprise more than 5% of Virginia’s population.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      school population?

      If you query build-a-table (or just look at this link) – the vast majority of public schools in Virginia have less than 1# Asian:

      http://proximityone.com/sd_va.htm

      it looks like a good many are in NoVa, not RoVa

      1. So what? Asians are concentrated in the major metro areas and most populous school districts. The fact that Accomack County is 0.3% Asian is nothing when Fairfax County is 15% Asian.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    Here’s some counts for Asians in schools in Virginia – the Dis column is Y for yes and N for No:

    I’m only getting about 7,000 Asians in Virginia schools total from build-a-table

    Division Name Dis Total Count
    Fairfax County N 2,378
    Loudoun County N 978
    Fairfax County Y 733
    Prince William County N 408
    Henrico County N 256
    Virginia Beach City N 237
    Prince William County Y 236
    Loudoun County Y 153
    Chesterfield County N 130
    Virginia Beach City Y 121
    Arlington County N 89
    Henrico County Y 85
    Chesapeake City N 76
    York County N 70
    Arlington County Y 63
    Chesterfield County Y 50
    Stafford County N 45
    Albemarle County N 37
    Hanover County N 37
    Newport News City N 36
    Stafford County Y 36
    Roanoke County N 35
    Spotsylvania County N 35
    Norfolk City N 34
    Norfolk City Y 28
    Montgomery County N 26
    Roanoke City N 20
    Newport News City Y 18
    Williamsburg-James City County N 18
    Falls Church City N 17
    Hampton City N 17
    Roanoke County Y 17
    Manassas Park City N 16
    Spotsylvania County Y 16
    Chesapeake City Y 15
    Frederick County N 15
    Roanoke City Y 15
    Alexandria City Y 14
    Fauquier County N 14
    Alexandria City N 13
    Hampton City Y 13
    Fredericksburg City N 12
    Manassas City N 12
    Bedford County N 11
    Rockingham County N 11

    1. So what? What point are you trying to make?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Are you asking what the point of showing demographic data is?

        Basically, it shows that about 1/2 of all Asians in Virginia schools are concentrated in NoVa and that they are largely more affluent and that less than 2% of Asians in TJ and Loudoun Academies are low income even though there are numbers of low income Asians in NoVa.

        1. Okay. But so what? What does that show, indicate or prove about the subject of the article?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s a comment about the overall numbers shown – those numbers may not reflect the fact that not all kids have the same ease of access to take those tests or have access to foundation courses and curriculums to be able to perform well on those tests even if they could afford them.

            A wretchedly bad attempt on my part… I admit and apologize for.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    Here’s some counts for Asians in schools in Virginia – the Dis column is Y for yes and N for No:

    I’m only getting about 7,000 Asians in Virginia schools total from build-a-table

    Division Name Dis Total Count
    Fairfax County N 2,378
    Loudoun County N 978
    Fairfax County Y 733
    Prince William County N 408
    Henrico County N 256
    Virginia Beach City N 237
    Prince William County Y 236
    Loudoun County Y 153
    Chesterfield County N 130
    Virginia Beach City Y 121
    Arlington County N 89
    Henrico County Y 85
    Chesapeake City N 76
    York County N 70
    Arlington County Y 63
    Chesterfield County Y 50
    Stafford County N 45
    Albemarle County N 37
    Hanover County N 37
    Newport News City N 36
    Stafford County Y 36
    Roanoke County N 35
    Spotsylvania County N 35
    Norfolk City N 34
    Norfolk City Y 28
    Montgomery County N 26
    Roanoke City N 20
    Newport News City Y 18
    Williamsburg-James City County N 18
    Falls Church City N 17
    Hampton City N 17
    Roanoke County Y 17
    Manassas Park City N 16
    Spotsylvania County Y 16
    Chesapeake City Y 15
    Frederick County N 15
    Roanoke City Y 15
    Alexandria City Y 14
    Fauquier County N 14
    Alexandria City N 13
    Hampton City Y 13
    Fredericksburg City N 12
    Manassas City N 12
    Bedford County N 11
    Rockingham County N 11

    1. So what? What point are you trying to make?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Are you asking what the point of showing demographic data is?

        Basically, it shows that about 1/2 of all Asians in Virginia schools are concentrated in NoVa and that they are largely more affluent and that less than 2% of Asians in TJ and Loudoun Academies are low income even though there are numbers of low income Asians in NoVa.

        1. Okay. But so what? What does that show, indicate or prove about the subject of the article?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s a comment about the overall numbers shown – those numbers may not reflect the fact that not all kids have the same ease of access to take those tests or have access to foundation courses and curriculums to be able to perform well on those tests even if they could afford them.

            A wretchedly bad attempt on my part… I admit and apologize for.

  7. Using the Build-a-Table I get 55,000 Asian students statewide taking the math SOLs and 49,000 taking the English Reading SOLs. I don’t know what your numbers represent, but it’s not the total number of Asian students in each school district.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      yep, something is not right. I also did build-a-table for cohort and only got about 7,000 asian grads.

      How many Asians did you get in total for say, Fairfax?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I’m wrong… I did for Fairfax alone and got about 20,000 …
        let me go back and get correct numbers.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          It’s mind blowing to me that you didn’t even pick up on your numbers being wrong before someone told you.

          You could look at data that says that a county of 470,000 people only has 236 Asian students in it’s schools and not question it?

          Amazing.

          Maybe you should analyze more and regurgitate less.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            It was bad, I admit it, maybe even a bit ashamed… keep flogging, I deserve it! 😉

  8. Using the Build-a-Table I get 55,000 Asian students statewide taking the math SOLs and 49,000 taking the English Reading SOLs. I don’t know what your numbers represent, but it’s not the total number of Asian students in each school district.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      yep, something is not right. I also did build-a-table for cohort and only got about 7,000 asian grads.

      How many Asians did you get in total for say, Fairfax?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I’m wrong… I did for Fairfax alone and got about 20,000 …
        let me go back and get correct numbers.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          It’s mind blowing to me that you didn’t even pick up on your numbers being wrong before someone told you.

          You could look at data that says that a county of 470,000 people only has 236 Asian students in it’s schools and not question it?

          Amazing.

          Maybe you should analyze more and regurgitate less.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            It was bad, I admit it, maybe even a bit ashamed… keep flogging, I deserve it! 😉

  9. Every Asian I know has their kids in private school, will work 2 jobs if necessary to put that kid all the way up to a PhD with no or as little loans as possible. They will go on field trips with them, even with the reputation of being a male dominated society, I have never, to this day, ever seen one of them tell female children anything other than science, math, education, equally. They will help with Scouts, spend time with their kids every night with out TV, radio, etc. and the kids are not seen as burdens. They are truly an investment.

    Now if you are looking at marriage, you are going to be investigated like a person applying for a secret security clearance by the govt. If you don’t have that education and a job, forget it.

    They deserve kudos for the hard work, and the benefits it brings.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep. I have zero issues with recognizing the work and education ethic of Asians – and actually around the world. They are tops in world academic rankings also.

  10. Every Asian I know has their kids in private school, will work 2 jobs if necessary to put that kid all the way up to a PhD with no or as little loans as possible. They will go on field trips with them, even with the reputation of being a male dominated society, I have never, to this day, ever seen one of them tell female children anything other than science, math, education, equally. They will help with Scouts, spend time with their kids every night with out TV, radio, etc. and the kids are not seen as burdens. They are truly an investment.

    Now if you are looking at marriage, you are going to be investigated like a person applying for a secret security clearance by the govt. If you don’t have that education and a job, forget it.

    They deserve kudos for the hard work, and the benefits it brings.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep. I have zero issues with recognizing the work and education ethic of Asians – and actually around the world. They are tops in world academic rankings also.

  11. LarrytheG Avatar

    Jim – you are correct… I need to go back and do it right.
    (the mistake made was looking only at EOC, I think).

    Division Name Total Count
    Fairfax County 19,520
    Loudoun County 10,138
    Prince William County 4,265
    Henrico County 2,957
    Virginia Beach City 2,166
    Arlington County 1,220
    Chesterfield County 1,071
    Chesapeake City 598
    Stafford County 528
    York County 394
    Albemarle County 356
    Norfolk City 331
    Alexandria City 327
    Spotsylvania County 313
    Roanoke County 300
    Newport News City 296
    Roanoke City 216
    Montgomery County 207
    Hanover County 185
    Hampton City 169
    Williamsburg-James City County 153
    Manassas City 139
    Frederick County 130
    Charlottesville City 121
    Manassas Park City 104
    Suffolk City 104
    Falls Church City 103
    Richmond City 100
    Rockingham County 100
    Fredericksburg City 97
    Bedford County 88
    Fauquier County 88
    Harrisonburg City 88
    Lynchburg City 68
    Culpeper County 62
    Portsmouth City 62
    Augusta County 58
    Campbell County 52
    Salem City 46
    Winchester City 45
    Colonial Heights City 40
    Danville City 36
    Isle of Wight County 36
    Washington County 32
    Warren County 31
    Prince George County 28
    King George County 27
    Pittsylvania County 26
    Greene County 25
    Hopewell City 25
    Halifax County 24
    New Kent County 22
    Waynesboro City 21
    Orange County 20
    Louisa County 19
    Martinsville City 19
    Accomack County 18
    Poquoson City 18
    Tazewell County 18
    Franklin County 17
    Goochland County 17
    Botetourt County 15
    Prince Edward County 15
    Mecklenburg County 14
    Amherst County 13
    Caroline County 13
    Henry County 13
    Lexington City 13
    Staunton City 13
    Essex County 12
    Shenandoah County 12
    Greensville County 11
    Powhatan County 11
    Smyth County 11
    Clarke County 10
    Gloucester County 10
    West Point 10

  12. LarrytheG Avatar

    Jim – you are correct… I need to go back and do it right.
    (the mistake made was looking only at EOC, I think).

    Division Name Total Count
    Fairfax County 19,520
    Loudoun County 10,138
    Prince William County 4,265
    Henrico County 2,957
    Virginia Beach City 2,166
    Arlington County 1,220
    Chesterfield County 1,071
    Chesapeake City 598
    Stafford County 528
    York County 394
    Albemarle County 356
    Norfolk City 331
    Alexandria City 327
    Spotsylvania County 313
    Roanoke County 300
    Newport News City 296
    Roanoke City 216
    Montgomery County 207
    Hanover County 185
    Hampton City 169
    Williamsburg-James City County 153
    Manassas City 139
    Frederick County 130
    Charlottesville City 121
    Manassas Park City 104
    Suffolk City 104
    Falls Church City 103
    Richmond City 100
    Rockingham County 100
    Fredericksburg City 97
    Bedford County 88
    Fauquier County 88
    Harrisonburg City 88
    Lynchburg City 68
    Culpeper County 62
    Portsmouth City 62
    Augusta County 58
    Campbell County 52
    Salem City 46
    Winchester City 45
    Colonial Heights City 40
    Danville City 36
    Isle of Wight County 36
    Washington County 32
    Warren County 31
    Prince George County 28
    King George County 27
    Pittsylvania County 26
    Greene County 25
    Hopewell City 25
    Halifax County 24
    New Kent County 22
    Waynesboro City 21
    Orange County 20
    Louisa County 19
    Martinsville City 19
    Accomack County 18
    Poquoson City 18
    Tazewell County 18
    Franklin County 17
    Goochland County 17
    Botetourt County 15
    Prince Edward County 15
    Mecklenburg County 14
    Amherst County 13
    Caroline County 13
    Henry County 13
    Lexington City 13
    Staunton City 13
    Essex County 12
    Shenandoah County 12
    Greensville County 11
    Powhatan County 11
    Smyth County 11
    Clarke County 10
    Gloucester County 10
    West Point 10

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    Last time… this time I used the Fall Membership build-a-table – instead of using the assessment or cohort trying to use a proxy for count. Whatever I did, it was wrong and these numbers seem more consistent with the numbers you are using.

    Just the top 10:

    Division Name Total Count
    Fairfax County 35,605
    Loudoun County 19,804
    Prince William County 8,659
    Henrico County 6,280
    Virginia Beach City 4,150
    Arlington County 2,401
    Chesterfield County 2,048
    Chesapeake City 1,146
    Stafford County 1,120

    my apologies

  14. LarrytheG Avatar

    Last time… this time I used the Fall Membership build-a-table – instead of using the assessment or cohort trying to use a proxy for count. Whatever I did, it was wrong and these numbers seem more consistent with the numbers you are using.

    Just the top 10:

    Division Name Total Count
    Fairfax County 35,605
    Loudoun County 19,804
    Prince William County 8,659
    Henrico County 6,280
    Virginia Beach City 4,150
    Arlington County 2,401
    Chesterfield County 2,048
    Chesapeake City 1,146
    Stafford County 1,120

    my apologies

  15. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I have never liked AP classes and tests. I don’t care how good it is, a high school class is not the equivalent of a college class in the same subject. Students who skip college classes because of AP scores and credit are shortchanging themselves.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Amen Brother!

      There used to be a simple “get credit for knowledge” method for college courses. The challenge. This eliminated the need for prerequisites but left the credit requirements in place.

      The AP standardized this across all colleges. A good idea, but it cheats the student because it gave them class credits.

      The idea of college is to increase and broaden knowledge to the tune of 120 semester hours.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      A claim to the history of AP. No reason to disbelieve.
      https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/56692/brief-history-advanced-placement-exams

      Personally, I don’t recall AP credit being made available in my late 60s high school and I took calculus in my senior year. By 1974, my first ex-wife gained college credits in some courses including calculus.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        There was no AP when I came of of high school in 1972, but W&M would exempt you from the freshman writing skills class based on your verbal SAT. That was me, but I then took advanced composition anyway… My experience with calculus demonstrates Dick’s point, as the intro course at W&M was far tougher than my high school’s. Of course, not getting to the 8 am class was also a problem….

        Our son was upset that he didn’t get out of some UVA math based on his AP scores, but in the long run I bet he was better off digging into the math again, given his engineering career choice.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          I took calculus again in my Freshman year. Easy A, but valuable. I did know classmates who did not, but that just meant they had to take 7 credits someplace else. BTW, to this day, I have never understood why differential calculus was a 4-hour course and integral calculus was 3. It’s not like you met for 4 hours/week.

          We could go round and round on 4 years and tuition free, but all of this AP stuff is a horrible idea.

        2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          From memory so… when I entered college, there was a college wide math placement test. If you made an A or B, you could opt into Calculus, otherwise it was Math 130 Elementary Functions for you (first course I taught so I remember the number). If you failed the placement test, it was Math 110 Algebra for you (aka bonehead/remedial).

          I bellieve that Math 130 was a required course for ALL programs, even PE. Calculus I was a required course for most programs, and both semesters I and II for any science degree.

          It’s a tad fuzzy, but I remember the scramble for a lot of students to add/drop that 1st week.

        3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          All this talk about courses being required of all students is foreign to today’s students. That is another thing wrong with today’s college curricula.

          When I went to W&M, all freshmen had to take a math course or philosophy. That still seems a strange tradeoff. Anyway, I made that choice, which was a mistake in the long run. The philosophy course was valuable, but I should have taken some math, as well.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Wait! Philosophy or math? Then why did I take both? Oh well, it was fun reading Plato’s Republic.

          2. Steve Haner Avatar
            Steve Haner

            Math 130 was still around my freshman year. My future wife was taking it, along with keeping me too distracted to get to calc in the mornings…Ironically she went on to higher math and I stopped with that one semester!

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            That wasn’t ironic… it was all part of a diabolical plan, which you are incapable of fathoming, to land you where you are. You do know, they all get together telepathically on Wednesdays at midnight. Sometimes, it interferes with satellite TV.

          4. “All this talk about courses being required of all students is foreign to today’s students. That is another thing wrong with today’s college curricula.”

            I agree. And the problem has been around for perhaps longer than you may think. As an engineering student at Va Tech in the mid-1980s, I was disappointed in how few opportunities there were in my curriculum to pursue studies of a non-“STEM” nature. There were a few “free electives” but almost no required courses beyond Freshman English.

            I think the “University” exists to expand a student’s access to a broad range of knowledge, not to laser-focus it on a single area of study. I share your consternation regarding modern college curricula.

    3. Have you ever taken an AP class or AP test?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Oh, cruel youth…

        1. I was just wondering because the AP History course I took in the early 1980s was a bear. I did well on the test and earned 6 credit hours in U.S. History, but I found the coursework quite rigorous and I think it helped prepare me for what was to come when I entered college.

          I guess I was kind of stupid, though, because instead of taking the credits and running with them I used the “holes” those classes created in my freshman college schedule to take two specialized history courses.

  16. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I have never liked AP classes and tests. I don’t care how good it is, a high school class is not the equivalent of a college class in the same subject. Students who skip college classes because of AP scores and credit are shortchanging themselves.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Amen Brother!

      There used to be a simple “get credit for knowledge” method for college courses. The challenge. This eliminated the need for prerequisites but left the credit requirements in place.

      The AP standardized this across all colleges. A good idea, but it cheats the student because it gave them class credits.

      The idea of college is to increase and broaden knowledge to the tune of 120 semester hours.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      A claim to the history of AP. No reason to disbelieve.
      https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/56692/brief-history-advanced-placement-exams

      Personally, I don’t recall AP credit being made available in my late 60s high school and I took calculus in my senior year. By 1974, my first ex-wife gained college credits in some courses including calculus.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        There was no AP when I came of of high school in 1972, but W&M would exempt you from the freshman writing skills class based on your verbal SAT. That was me, but I then took advanced composition anyway… My experience with calculus demonstrates Dick’s point, as the intro course at W&M was far tougher than my high school’s. Of course, not getting to the 8 am class was also a problem….

        Our son was upset that he didn’t get out of some UVA math based on his AP scores, but in the long run I bet he was better off digging into the math again, given his engineering career choice.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          I took calculus again in my Freshman year. Easy A, but valuable. I did know classmates who did not, but that just meant they had to take 7 credits someplace else. BTW, to this day, I have never understood why differential calculus was a 4-hour course and integral calculus was 3. It’s not like you met for 4 hours/week.

          We could go round and round on 4 years and tuition free, but all of this AP stuff is a horrible idea.

        2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          From memory so… when I entered college, there was a college wide math placement test. If you made an A or B, you could opt into Calculus, otherwise it was Math 130 Elementary Functions for you (first course I taught so I remember the number). If you failed the placement test, it was Math 110 Algebra for you (aka bonehead/remedial).

          I bellieve that Math 130 was a required course for ALL programs, even PE. Calculus I was a required course for most programs, and both semesters I and II for any science degree.

          It’s a tad fuzzy, but I remember the scramble for a lot of students to add/drop that 1st week.

        3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          All this talk about courses being required of all students is foreign to today’s students. That is another thing wrong with today’s college curricula.

          When I went to W&M, all freshmen had to take a math course or philosophy. That still seems a strange tradeoff. Anyway, I made that choice, which was a mistake in the long run. The philosophy course was valuable, but I should have taken some math, as well.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            That wasn’t ironic… it was all part of a diabolical plan, which you are incapable of fathoming, to land you where you are. You do know, they all get together telepathically on Wednesdays at midnight. Sometimes, it interferes with satellite TV.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Wait! Philosophy or math? Then why did I take both? Oh well, it was fun reading Plato’s Republic.

          3. Steve Haner Avatar
            Steve Haner

            Math 130 was still around my freshman year. My future wife was taking it, along with keeping me too distracted to get to calc in the mornings…Ironically she went on to higher math and I stopped with that one semester!

          4. “All this talk about courses being required of all students is foreign to today’s students. That is another thing wrong with today’s college curricula.”

            I agree. And the problem has been around for perhaps longer than you may think. As an engineering student at Va Tech in the mid-1980s, I was disappointed in how few opportunities there were in my curriculum to pursue studies of a non-“STEM” nature. There were a few “free electives” but almost no required courses beyond Freshman English.

            I think the “University” exists to expand a student’s access to a broad range of knowledge, not to laser-focus it on a single area of study. I share your consternation regarding modern college curricula.

    3. Have you ever taken an AP class or AP test?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Oh, cruel youth…

        1. I was just wondering because the AP History course I took in the early 1980s was a bear. I did well on the test and earned 6 credit hours in U.S. History, but I found the coursework quite rigorous and I think it helped prepare me for what was to come when I entered college.

          I guess I was kind of stupid, though, because instead of taking the credits and running with them I used the “holes” those classes created in my freshman college schedule to take two specialized history courses.

  17. LarrytheG Avatar

    not free either, right?

    1. Nothing is free, Larry.

  18. LarrytheG Avatar

    not free either, right?

    1. Nothing is free, Larry.

  19. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    So it appears white scores went down! I think Secretary Woke should be congratulated for closing the white – Black score gap. (He just needs to get those pesky Asians to let up for Equity’s sake)

  20. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    So it appears white scores went down! I think Secretary Woke should be congratulated for closing the white – Black score gap. (He just needs to get those pesky Asians to let up for Equity’s sake)

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