Another Critical Coronavirus Graph

By DJ RippertTiming.

As Jim Bacon wrote, “Now comes COVID-19. Everyone is in a blind panic. The concern may be overwrought, whipped up by the media. Or maybe things could get worse than anyone could imagine. Nobody knows. Uncertainty reigns.” Jim is right. Uncertainty does reign. But what are the costs of indecision if things do get worse than anybody can imagine? The graph at the left qualitatively describes how early action can change the shape of the infection curve and avoid a peak that overwhelms our health care system. Do Virginia’s leaders understand this?

One step back, two steps forward. In 2007 the National Academy of Sciences conducted a study entitled, “Public health interventions and epidemic intensity during the 1918 influenza pandemic.” As the title implies the study compared what various governments did with the Spanish Flu pandemic against the results those governmental actions achieved. To be fair, we can look back at 1918 knowing that the influenza of that time was catastrophic. We’ll only know whether that’s true for COVID-19 at some point in the future.

Spoiler alert. The study concludes that”… cities in which multiple interventions were implemented at an early phase of the epidemic had peak death rates ≈50% lower than those that did not and had less-steep epidemic curves.” The total death rates were lower for cities that acted quickly but only by 20% not 50%.

I’ll have a cheesesteak and a Bud. Back in 1918 Philadelphia and St Louis followed very different routes regarding the speed and breadth of interventions meant to achieve “social distancing.” St. Louis got out early while Philadelphia decided to “wait and see.” From the report, “The first cases of disease among civilians in Philadelphia were reported on September 17, 1918, but authorities downplayed their significance and allowed large public gatherings, notably a city-wide parade on September 28, 1918, to continue. School closures, bans on public gatherings, and other social distancing interventions were not implemented until October 3, when disease spread had already begun to overwhelm local medical and public health resources. In contrast, the first cases of disease among civilians in St. Louis were reported on October 5, and authorities moved rapidly to introduce a broad series of measures designed to promote social distancing, implementing these on October 7.”  The results?

That was then, this is now. There are countless differences between the influenza outbreak of 1918 and COVID-19 today. Perhaps the most significant is the advance of medical care. From intravenous fluids to machines which automatically oxygenate blood, today’s patient has a much better chance of survival than would have been the case in 1918. Modern healthcare does you no good if you can’t get access to it. Hence, the need to avoid overwhelming the health care system.

Paging Dr. Northam. American states are taking very different approaches to early interventions to encourage “social distancing” around COVID-9. As of now, ten states have declared states of emergency. New York has activated its national guard to isolate an outbreak cluster around New Rochelle. Virginia seems to be more in the “wait and see” camp. That could turn out to be the right decision or it could be a catastrophic error.


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38 responses to “Another Critical Coronavirus Graph”

  1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Yes, indeed, I agree.

    Plus, lets hope this virus gets resolved before Tick Season starts. If n0t, we’ll be getting our Corona with Lime here on the tidewater.

    Still we’re in luck ’cause Corona with Lime and Bernie would have been way worse.

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Bernie is an economic pandemic that never quite went viral.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    All this paranoia and FUD! It’s not near as bad as it seems! You got all these scientists and elites in cahoots with the lamestream media that are feeding a frenzy! Why, before you know it.. they’re gonna say there is a “link” to spending cuts to science, conspiracy theories, and global warming.

    Good Googa Mooga!

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      More trolling. This article was a simple question of whether Ralph Northam’s actions are appropriate or not. It seems clear that early action has made a big difference in the past when we’ve faced a significant pandemic. Since Ralph Northam has failed to act early we must assume that he either doesn’t think early action would help or he doesn’t see this as a significant pandemic. Given that he is betting with our lives I sure hope he’s right.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        well no. The real trolling is all this foolishness about Northam.

        We went to a Community College lecture last night. Attendance was
        significantly down and no surprise, there normally is a sea of grey hair, bald heads and hearing aids!

        The host got up and did his best to talk about what might happen to the next lecture scheduled in another day or so. There were caveats. We do volunteer taxes and we serve a significant number of older folks. We too are trying to figure out what to do.

        Went to the Doc yesterday also, and they are still seeing patients – they said they feel like they have to until or unless things get a lot worse or
        the govt tells them to close.

        It’s not an easy decision for any governor. Places like NY and California with a ton of people feel the need to act now.

        And if this is not a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t, I don’t know what is.

        No matter what Northam does or not, you boo birds are going to be on him… bringing up all kinds of irrelevant stuff like abortions and blackface and who knows what else.

        No matter what he does, ya’ll are going to chew on him, right?

        1. djrippert Avatar
          djrippert

          I gave Northam credit for controlling the gun rally in Richmond effectively (unlike his predecessor in Charlottesville). I’ll give him credit if it turns out that early action wouldn’t have mattered. Since he’s following basically the same script as Trump I’ll assume you’ll give the president credit if it turns out everybody is over-reacting.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Naw.. he’s NOT doing a Trump. He does NOT tweet nonsense and make a fool of himself at Press Conferences where he contradicts his own experts.

            Comparing Northam to Trump is like comparing a polecat to a tabby cat.

            You got bad instincts DJ! 😉

  3. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    Meanwhile …

    1. This morning Ralph Northam said he will not be declaring a state of emergency at this time but said he is prepared to do so if that time comes.
    Virginia’s response is unique to our commonwealth and our situation, Gov. Northam said.

    2. SanFrancisco and Seattle banned all large gatherings.

    3. 13 states have declared a state of emergency

    4. UVA moved all classes to online

    I sincerely hope “Ralphred E Northam’s” What, Me Worry attitude turns out to be the right one.

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      At least the Governor isn’t setting aside just born babies to die, YET. That’s progress.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      What I interpret Northam to have said is that the money and authority that comes with such a declaration is not needed yet. Perhaps you are correct and the psychological focus would be of value. Even without it, the inbox is pinging with cancellations.

      1. djrippert Avatar
        djrippert

        In the study I referenced St Louis acted two days after the first cases were reported. Philadelphia waited 16 days. The first case in Virginia was confirmed on Saturday, 4 days ago. Northam says, “not yet”. I hope he’s right. I can only assume the leaders of Philadelphia felt the same way as they let time slip away back in 1918.

        Governors are judged by the decisions they make – especially in time of actual or possible crisis. Northam could ban large gatherings, shut down schools, demand that elective surgeries be postponed. Instead, he’s taken the path of Donald Trump. Maybe they’re both right. We’ll see. However, Northam has to own his decision.

  4. Haha! Great minds think alike. I was working on a post based on this very same graph before I ran out of time this morning. Here’s how I framed the issue:

    Take a look at this conceptual graph originating with the Centers for Disease Control and published in the Wall Street Journal. It illustrates a critical aspect of public health authorities’ approach to dealing with the COVID-19 virus: The longer we can delay the spread of the virus, the better off we’ll be even if most people end up catching it anyway.

    The reason is that hospitals have a finite supply of beds and personnel, and a finite capacity to treat patients suffering from acute symptoms of the respiratory illness. If hospitals get inundated all at once (the red curve), they will be overwhelmed. If they can spread out the incidence of the disease over time (the yellow curve), they can handle it.

    That gets me to questions raised on this blog (to which I can get find no answers): What is the capacity of Virginia’s hospitals to handle an influx of coronavirus patients? How many sick patients does there have to be for them to get swamped and either begin turning people away or sticking them in gurneys in the corridor?

    Those question ineluctably lead to another: What is Virginia doing to slow the spread and flatten the curve? Given the nature of the virus — the long incubation time without patients showing symptoms — government authorities are powerless to stop it altogether. That’s an unrealistic expectation. But it could be possible, by slowing the transmission, to ensure that everyone who needs hospital treatment gets it.

    That’s as far as I got!

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I agree with the “slow it down” concept but also point out that apparently normal healthy kids are not affected which has it’s pluses and most normal healthy people are less susceptible.

      The folks who are most threatened are the elderly, the immunocompromised, and the chronically ill. It’s been described as a “killing machine” for these populations.

      We’ve had these pandemics since time began. And they would kill great numbers of people – and often they were the sick and elderly and they were said to have expired from the contagion, or consumption or “the fever”.

      It was the way the old often ended their life.

      We have more modern medicine these days including the ability to spot these kinds of contagious diseases but to a certain extent, there really is only so much we can really do – this part of nature – we do not control.

      We’re going to see more of this.

      Germs mutate and adapt as fast as we come up with measures against them.

      We’ll come up with a vaccine for this one – probably way too late – and by that time a different kind will appear and we’ll go through all this again.

      The issue is how can we get a grip – and gain some perspective – because we cannot shut down our economy every time this happens or if we think we have to – then we better be prepared for a very different lifestyle than we have right now – a much lower standard of living probably.

      This is not the last time this will happen – think about it in those terms.

      1. djrippert Avatar
        djrippert

        A Hanover County teen tested positive today. I presume, but don’t know, that this Central Virginia teen is a normal healthy person.

      2. “I agree with the “slow it down” concept but also point out that apparently normal healthy kids are not affected…”

        That is incorrect. The virus can affect (and infect) anyone.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          As the novel coronavirus spreads around the globe, sickening more than 90,000 people and killing about 3,000, doctors have noticed something curious: Very few children have been diagnosed with it. And of those who have, most have had mild cases.

          In China, where the outbreak started, children comprise just 2.4 percent of all reported cases of COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, a World Health Organization-China Joint Mission report from last month found. Of those, only a sliver — 2.5 percent — experienced severe symptoms, and an even tinier proportion — 0.2 percent — became critically ill. Worldwide, there have been no deaths reported so far in young children.

          1. You said children are “unaffected” by the virus.

            I said that was incorrect.

            You posted information about children who have been affected by the virus. Thank you for making my case for me.

    2. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Does Virginia’s COPN laws reduce the number of hospital beds? We’ve already been told by Jim Sherlock that the number of health care workers is reduced.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        The truth is , if you want hospitals to have more reserve beds, more equipment and supplies and backup personnel – it’s going to cost money.

        And I’m quite sure the folks who say the hospitals already are “too profitable” will be hopping on that horse also.

        To a certain extent – bigger, stronger, more financial resilient hospitals are better than razor-thin finances hospitals, no?

        You can be that the hospitals least able to ramp up on this are the ones that are already in poor financial condition…

    3. CrazyJD Avatar

      Only one nit to pick with your post. The Johns Hopkins study showing they calculate the average incubation time is 5.1 days, apparently not as long as previously thought, though the study allows for a possible longer time.

      1. djrippert Avatar
        djrippert

        Lots of conflicting data and opinions. Here’s a doozy …

        Chancellor Merkel says 70% of Germans (or 58m people) will get the disease. Later in the article a former advisor on disease control in Germany says the worst case is 40,000.

        58M vs 40,000?

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856

  5. Here is a link to a list of events (worldwide) which have been postponed or cancelled due to the virus:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/major-events-cancelled-or-postponed-due-to-the-coronavirus-2020

  6. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    Scroll down and play the interview with Dr Gottleib. It’s worth a listen.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-latest-updates.html

  7. johnrandolphofroanoke Avatar
    johnrandolphofroanoke

    Virginia’s political leaders are behaving exactly like a school superintendent trying to call a snow day. No matter what is decided Ralph and the gang are going to get an earful from somebody.

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Ralph is dancing behind the beat of the music as usual. The NCAA just announced there will be no spectators allowed at the NCAA Mens Basketball Tournament this year (i.e. March Madness). I wish they’d cancel it altogether so that Virginia could remain champs for another year.

      Northam’s problem is that there is almost no downside to canceling things now. No downside to declaring a state of emergency. Everybody else has already acted. But there is a huge downside if Virginia goes the way of Italy.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Well said.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Unlike most Governors, Northam actually IS a doctor and probably does have some insight on that side of the scale.

        Further, not all states have yet decided how far to go in their responses.

        And that’s because there actually IS significant downsides not the least
        of which is economic impact.

        In states where they have significant numbers that are infected and evidence that the infected actually spread the disease among those they had contact with – in Virginia – we have what, 8? and still not sure if others are infected.

        I think it’s a tough call as evidenced by the fact that a good number of states have not gone to the full measures yet.

        I know it’s popular political sport to hammer Northam especially for those who are not in his political party but recognize that kind of criticism is largely partisan and not at all constructive or helpful in making the hard decisions that will have to be made.

        No, Northam is not the greatest politician since sliced bread. He is definitely nowhere near perfect in any sense of the word – he is what he is and there will be time enough to judge him after these events have actually gone by and he did what he thought should be done and actually does own his decisions.

        Until then, this kind of stuff is just run-of-the-mill partisan blather and little more.

        In my view of course.

        1. djrippert Avatar
          djrippert

          Josef Mengele was a doctor too.

          The left has adopted an odd view of useful idiocy through so-called experts. Under this philosophy the politicians on the left trot out somebody they declare to be “an expert”. Then the so-called “expert” declares something that is stated like hardened fact even if it is conjecture. The leftie politician says, “See, the experts agree …”. Liberals swoon and ardently back whatever was said by the so-called expert. There’s never a question of whether the expert is right. Never a question of ulterior motives. Never a question of whether the so-called “expert” or her political handlers might have an agenda. Just unthinking support by the sheeple of the left.

          Events scheduled for this weekend in Richmond will continue as usual.

          https://www.nbc12.com/2020/03/12/major-events-still-set-richmond-amid-coronavirus-concerns/

          Why? Because Governor Coonman is an expert.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Naw… you’re doing what Trump and the far right is doing these days which is to attack people personally. You attack because he “might” be like Josef Mengele? WTF?

            THen you launch into another attack on “liberals”.

            what total drivel DJ.

            bad on you!

  8. J. Abbate Avatar
    J. Abbate

    Paging Dr. Trump! Thank you for the critique of Gov. Northam’s response to this pandemic outbreak. It’s good to look at the details that put us behind the curve on responding with VA State resources. But to be honest and accurate on such an analysis, you would need to include the handling of the situation by the Trump administration, which knew about the situation in December and received warnings from the medical professionals in January and into February.

    In addition to cutting funding to the CDC and dismantling Obama’s Office of Emergency Response in the White House, designed for a quick, comprehensive and coordinated federal response for such outbreaks, Trump ignored the warnings of the professionals and downplayed the entire threat and did not fire up the development of test kits until late.

    Time magazine reported how this administration responded:
    “We have contained this. I won’t say airtight but pretty close to airtight,” White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said in a television interview on Feb. 25, echoing Trump’s tweeted declaration that the virus was “very much under control” in the United States.

    But it wasn’t, and the administration’s rosy messaging was fundamentally at odds with a growing cacophony of alarm bells inside and outside the U.S. government. Since January, epidemiologists, former U.S. public health officials and experts have been warning, publicly and privately, that the administration’s insistence that containment was—and should remain—the primary way to confront an emerging infectious disease was a grave mistake.

    In congressional testimony, in medical webcasts and in private discussions with health officials, they warned that the unique features of this flu-like virus made it impossible to control, and that the administration must use any time that containment measures might buy to prepare the country for an inevitable outbreak. The administration was using all its resources to blockade the doors, they warned, but the enemy was likely already in the house.

    “The current U.S. policy to deny visas to travelers from China and to quarantine returning Americans is not the right approach,” Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist and expert in disease outbreak detection and response at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, testified to Congress on February 5. “I am deeply concerned that these measures will make us less safe by diverting public health resources from higher priority disease mitigation approaches.”

    Two days earlier, former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb had warned “we have to assume it’s already here and circulating.”

    When it finally became indisputable that an outbreak was underway in Washington state, the administration was slow to catch up. There were not enough COVID-19 testing kits, hotlines were overwhelmed, and hospitals and public health departments were hobbled by a lack of reliable statistics on the spread of the disease. Experts say the U.S. response is now likely weeks—if not months—behind schedule.”

    Northam’s response leaves room for improvement, but the main planning, preparation, and rapid response to such a global outbreak remains with the Trump administration, which failed and blamed the media and others for the problem.

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Please read the title for this blog … Reinventing Virginia for the 21st Century. Not reinventing America. Not reinventing the world. It would be within my rights as the author of the article to delete your comment as being “off topic”. I won’t. You can ramble on about Trump if you’d like. I’ll stick to the topic at hand – Virginia. If you think the blog’s focus should be widened – please make that point to Jim Bacon. I’d be happy to write about national and international issues. However, out of respect for the stated topic of the blog I don’t.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        you’re gonna delete for off-topic? Good Lord. What’s got into you guy?
        Are you constipated this morning or what?

        You’re blaming Northam on the virus – alone – as if he is the one and no one else has a hand in it?

        This is more about attacking individuals guy.

        that’s your “stated topic”. Go after Northam… and those who
        don’t agree are “off topic” ? geeze!

        Lord. Lord!

        1. djrippert Avatar
          djrippert

          Reading comprehension … it’s not just for kids anymore.

          The topics of the article are early action on coronavirus and Northam’s inaction on coronavirus. Not Trump. Not the Canadian government. Not the Chinese. The virus and Governor Northam. At no point have I or anybody else blamed Northam for the virus. That’s truly absurd, even for you. At a time when drastic actions are being taken by many states, corporations and local governments Northam has chosen to do nothing. He may be right or he may be wrong. However, Northam and his supporters need to own that decision. They need to wear that decision like a loud sports coat. If it turns out Northam is right I’ll write an article saying exactly that. If it turns out he’s wrong I expect that you will admit that Northam’s inaction cost real some real Virginians their lives.

  9. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    Larry wants everybody to agree with Northam’s inaction because he’s a doctor. Larry doesn’t want to admit that history is full of cases where doctors did terrible things, sometimes intentionally sometimes unintentionally. Dr Albert Priddy was a Virginia doctor who led the state’s eugenics movement. He was so convinced of his infallibility he started to sterilize patients who he considered sub-human. The Virginia elite and political class went right along with him.

    Was Dr Priddy right Larry? After all, he was a doctor.

    Think for yourself Larry. Is Northam doing the right thing? I don’t care if he’s a doctor, sailor, tailor or candle stick maker. Is he right? Take a stand.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Simple answer – Northam is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t and the boo-bird critics are only waiting to see which way he goes in order to get their criticisms targeted correctly.

      Remember, It’s not just Northam. He has to take into account what the Feds are doing or not and it’s not just him personally – it’s his administration and his advisors.

      And yes you ARE impugning him as a person and now as a doctor.

      shame on you. You’re better than this DJ.

      we got plenty of inane boo birds already and I always thought
      you were not one of them. Did you blame Northam for the marijuana issue? why not? It would make about as much sense as blaming him for something that has a lot of moving parts and a lot of potential wrong-steps… it’s almost impossible to predict with any certanty what to do – and giving a pause is more intelligent than just panic decisions.

      1. “Simple answer – Northam is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t and the boo-bird critics are only waiting to see which way he goes in order to get their criticisms targeted correctly”

        This is exactly the way you treat certain elected officials.

  10. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Great reporting, Don.

    You’ve been on top of this highly unusual and speculative story from the get go. All of this fine commentary by you has been on a highly speculative story, your venturing out into into Bear Country, unknown territory where and when 99.9% of your competitors, however loquacious, accusatory, partisan, insufferable and/or hysterical they were, they were in substance totally clueless. And they were far less than useless, far too often doing far more harm by spreading misinformation like a toxic virus, than good.

    Good Work, Don!

    Now, with some realities beginning to emerge and come into focus, it appears that perhaps in China the epidemic has peaked, and is in decline.

    And that Europe now is the major hot spot, this fact by reason primarily of Europe’s early on lack of travel restrictions into and around its region. As a result, Italy for example, now has to quarantine its entire nation. And we in turn have quarantined Europe from our shores now as much earlier we have quarantined China, South Korea, and Iran, insulating our people from theirs. This was key.

    Now we, including Virginia, at last have a most likely template, however still uncertain, on which to plan and execute forthwith our additional defenses. Next 30 days likely are critical for us.

    So now too, there are no excuses for inaction anywhere in America, including Virginia, a key crossroads of America, whether by air, land, or sea.

  11. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: ” You said children are “unaffected” by the virus.

    I said that was incorrect.

    You posted information about children who have been affected by the virus. Thank you for making my case for me.”

    duly noted.

    next complaint.

    I know you got em!

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