Bernard Goodwyn, Chief Justice, Virginia Supreme Court. Photo credit: Richmond Times-Dispatch

By Dick Hall-Sizemore

The Commonwealth is unique in the nation in how it selects its judges.

States use a wide variety of methods to select judges. Furthermore, many states use different methods to select judges at different levels. The National Center for State Courts, located in Williamsburg, by the way, has created a nice report showing how judges are selected in each state.

Virginia is simple and consistent: all judges are selected by the legislature. It is the only state in which the legislature selects judges.

For the sake of simplicity, I am limiting this discussion to state supreme courts. In many states, the judges of the highest court are elected. Some elections are partisan; others are nonpartisan. The other method commonly used is appointment by the governor from a list recommended by a judicial nomination commission with approval of the legislature required in some states. Judges so appointed usually have to run for retention when their terms are up.

For anyone who objects to the Virginia method and pines for the “democratic” approach of popular election, consider the spectacle that recently occurred in Wisconsin. There was an election to fill a vacancy on the state supreme court. The consensus was the membership of the court was evenly divided between “conservatives” and “liberals.”

Technically, the election is nonpartisan, but there was no question which candidates were being backed by which parties. Janet Protasiewicz, who won by 11 points, was heavily backed by the Democrats. Her opponent, Daniel Kelly, a former Supreme Court justice, was backed by the Republicans. The two candidates spent more than $40 million, a record for a judicial election in the United States. The Democratic Party contributed $9 million to Protasiewicz and GOP megadonor Richard Uihlein spent nearly $6 million to help Kelly.

The main issue in the election was abortion. An 1849 Wisconsin law bans abortion unless one is required to save the life of the mother. That law is being challenged in court and the case is expected to make it to the state supreme court. Protasiewicz made no bones about where she stands: “I believe in a woman’s right to choose.” Furthermore, during the campaign, she promised, “I can tell you with certainty that if I’m elected on April 4th, I’m sure that we will be looking — I am sure we will be looking — at that 1849 law.”

The race was followed closely nationally and the results made headlines in most of the national media.

Another major issue was the gerrymandered state legislature. During the campaign, Protasiewicz called the election maps “rigged.”

This is how The Washington Post described the scene on election night:

“At Protasiewicz’s victory party in downtown Milwaukee, the three liberals who sit on the court marched into the hotel ballroom arm in arm to Lizzo’s ‘About Damn Time.’ They later joined Protasiewicz onstage, and the four of them — the court’s incoming majority — held their hands aloft as the crowd chanted ‘Janet!’”

Is this how we want to select judges in Virginia—a candidate declaring how she would rule on major cases and a victory celebration worthy of a governor? Maybe I am just old fashioned, but I believe that judges should conduct themselves with dignity and demonstrate at least a semblance of impartiality.

If one is not convinced of the dangers of popular election of judges, I refer you to our next door neighbor, West Virginia. About 20 years ago, a coal baron bought himself a supreme court justice in an election and the justice later ruled in his favor in a major fraud case.

The Virginia system works well. There is no question that politics are involved, but that is inevitable in whatever system is used. The fact that the ranks of circuit court and district court judges always include a few former members of the General Assembly may be a bit unseemly, but the practice is not pervasive and those selected, for the most part, have accorded themselves well. There may be grumbling that a specific judge is too lenient or that another is overly harsh, but Virginia’s judges enjoy a reputation for competence, fairness, and honesty.

Recently, the Virginia State Supreme Court proved that it was not driven by political bias. One reason that House Democrats argued against adopting a constitutional amendment establishing a redistricting commission was that the proposal gave the Supreme Court the authority to adopt a redistricting map if the commission was deadlocked. The Democrats voiced the fear that the Supreme Court, comprised mostly of justices elected by past Republican legislatures, would adopt a plan that favored Republicans. The commission did deadlock and the plan that the Supreme Court adopted was widely considered fair and nonpartisan.

Virginians should be pleased with their judicial system.


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88 responses to “All Rise for the Judge”

  1. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Yep, Virginia’s method of appointments appears to work much better than popular elections. On the other hand, an election provides an opportunity to heel political rifts. Kelly’s gracious concession speech will certainly be remembered in Wisconsin.

    It’s said that the States are the laboratories of democracy, and appointing judges is a good example of an experiment, but here’s a question; if State A shows that their ideas are better than State B’s, what’s the method to get State B to adopt them?

    It’s been 250 years, surely by now, we can determine which State’s courts are the better and implement their method of appointing judges nationwide.

    What’s the point of a experiment if you don’t write down the results?

    PS: Tennessee is a good object lesson in CRT.
    You’ve got to have something to eat and a little love in your life before you can hold still for any damn body’s sermon on how to behave. -Billie Holiday, jazz singer and songwriter (7 Apr 1915-1959). God Bless the Child, eh?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      https://assets1.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2023/04/06/79515ffc-f704-42d9-99ac-a9ddb2cfdbfe/thumbnail/1240×870/de4b486e8369cd5a60e2fd6bfd9034d7/crop.jpg

      Two of these things are
      not like the other,
      Two of these things
      just don’t belong.
      Can you tell which
      Things are not like the other
      By the time I finish my song…

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        As I watched the tape of the TN floor demonstration that sparked the anger and the expulsion votes, my mind immediately went back to Jan. 6 and I shouted out to nobody who could hear me, “what ye sow, so shall ye reap.” A plague on both their houses. This is getting worse, not better.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          A couple of minor differences. No dead capitol cops, no scat on the floors, and unlike the Trump votes that gave him the 2020 win, the children in the bodybags are real.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Nobody wins this “your idiots are worse than my idiots, my idiots were justified!” argument. They’re all idiots. That just adds to the problem.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            So, explain why the WHITE woman wasn’t expelled? A Republican will shoot himself in the foot if he thought the bullet will pass through and hit a black man in the head, which is exactly what will happen because of where Republicans like to rest their feet.

            There is another difference. Those two Representatives will just be reelected. Don’t think QAnon man will show up at the Capitol again.

          3. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            I watched hours of the TN fiasco. The white woman DID NOT use a bullhorn, a point covered in questions by GOP members.

          4. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            The white woman did not use a bullhorn, a point made by GOP members in questioning.

          5. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            An insurrection at the capitol is an insurrection at the capitol.

            You can’t have it both ways.

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            That’s a good talking point. You stick with that.

          7. Nathan Avatar

            Democrats always want it both ways.

            How would this be portrayed if the recipient were a Republican? Remember Russia Russia Russia?

            Leonardo DiCaprio testified in a federal court on Monday morning as part of a trial involving international money laundering, bribery and a prominent rap artist.

            Prakazrel “Pras” Michel – a founding member of the iconic 1990s hip-hop group, The Fugees – is accused of funneling money from a fugitive Malaysian financier through straw donors to Barack Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign.

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/03/leonardo-dicaprio-money-laundering-bribery-jho-low

          8. Nathan Avatar

            Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes after riot, medical examiner says

            An autopsy revealed that Sicknick, who died hours after the Capitol riot, suffered two strokes at the base of the brain stem caused by a blood clot.

            https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes-after-riot-n1264562

          9. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Yet, yet—-Sicknick and an officer who later committed suicide were found to qualify for line of duty benefits. Death from natural causes (even unnatural suicide) are not absolute bars to evidence that such results arose from work. Three “protesters” also perished but theirs was not line of duty injuries.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            No, of course not. Pay attention to what I write.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Steve is on solid ground comparing the two protests. Hell, I drew comparisons. Where he’s “out to lunch” is in even trying to equate them.

          3. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            That’s so funny I don’t even have to respond. Hey, as to why only two of the three, remember it’s the stupid party and the evil party…None of them should have been expelled.

          4. WayneS Avatar

            No.

        2. WayneS Avatar

          At least none of them stood on the house floor waving a “scary” “assault” rifle around with a finger on the trigger…

        3. WayneS Avatar

          At least none of them stood on the house floor waving a “scary” “assault” rifle around with a finger on the trigger…

    2. WayneS Avatar

      It’s been 250 years, surely by now, we can determine which State’s courts are the better and implement their method of appointing judges nationwide.

      But what is the point of having the states be laboratories of democracy if each state is not left alone to draw its own conclusions from the results of the various experiments?

      Also, I was going to correct your word usage in the second sentence of your comment, but upon further reflection I think “heel” works better than “heal”.

      😉

    3. WayneS Avatar

      It’s been 250 years, surely by now, we can determine which State’s courts are the better and implement their method of appointing judges nationwide.

      But what is the point of having the states be laboratories of democracy if each state is not left alone to draw its own conclusions from the results of the various experiments?

      Also, I was going to correct your word usage in the second sentence of your comment, but upon further reflection I think “heel” works better than “heal”.

      😉

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Continued experimentation in state laboratories of democracy would suggest that slavery, restricted voting, gerrymandering, and a host of other experimental projects should be encouraged.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          No it wouldn’t.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Who’s to say no?

          2. WayneS Avatar

            For two out of the three issue you mentioned, the United States Constitution says no.

            It should have gone without saying that the states can only be “laboratories for democracy” regarding powers which have been relegated to them by the Constitution. Slavery and basic voting rights are not relegated to the states. Did you actually think I do not know that, or did you simply not consider it yourself before making your comment?

            As far as “gerrymandering” goes, who cares if one state handles their voting districts differently from another? Unless they are violating federal election laws they are free to do as they please – as it should be.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            As for that last topic, I believe the Constitution is clear, that topic is up to the states.

          4. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            250 years ago, the experiment in slavery was very robust. The 13th amendment did not outlaw slavery only declaring that it “shall not exist.” That “shall” enabled Carter Glass to declare that the VA constitution of 1902 was clearly designed to discriminate against Blacks. SCOTUS’s “one person, one vote” as a matter of national jurisprudence has not eradicated gerrymandering. VA has come close in 2019 to diminishing the effects of that inequity. Decades of experiment deprived many of the value of their votes.

            All should care that experiments in voting in another state pose the potential that experimentation in one state may be used in another when experiments demonstrate political advantage. Waiting for precise Constitutional language to cure such practices is inviting application of by folks of ill will to rig the experiments.

            Laws do not prevent illegal or criminal acts—they are expressions of expected conduct.

          5. Nathan Avatar

            “All should care that experiments in voting in another state pose the potential that experimentation in one state may be used in another when experiments demonstrate political advantage. ”

            Exactly so. Democrats have determined that election security doesn’t benefit them, so Marc Alias has been systematically undermining it throughout the country.

            If one wants a benchmark of proper election practices and procedures that are fair to both sides, then I suggest reading the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, known informally as the Carter-Baker Commission.

            The bipartisan commission’s co-chairmen were former Democratic President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker.

            https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Carter-Baker-Report.pdf

          6. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            And it seems Republicans, at least in TN, prefer rules of decorum more important than the votes of 140,000 citizens who may have believed their votes were secure.

          7. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            And it seems Republicans, at least in TN, prefer rules of decorum more important than the votes of 140,000 citizens who may have believed their votes were secure.

          8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            “Rules of Decorum?” They pushed back on anarchy in the legislature. I hope that the General Assembly would do the same.

          9. Nathan Avatar

            So are insurrections a big deal or not? Pick one:

            A. Of great cosequense, a threat to democracy itself.

            B. Not a big deal, of no consequence

          10. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            The American Revolution was a BFD as was Jan 6 as both intended to overthrow established authority. The Sad Thing That Happened to Decorum in the TN Forum does not compare or even rise to the level of insurrection. Bullhorns are generally not lethal.

          11. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            This has always been and will remain a major thread of your arguments.

            The popular thinking is that progressives despise only the first two amendments to the constitution.

            You and I know that they despise the entire Bill of Rights because those ten amendments restrict the powers of both federal and state governments.

            The only way to effectively repeal the Bill of Rights is by progressive judges ignoring those amendments.

            Wisconsin shows them the path to doing that with the United States Supreme Court – the Presidency and the United States Senate.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          It would only “suggest” that to you, counselor.

          We have a federal constitution that has outlawed both slavery and voting that is actually restricted.

          Gerrymandering, when it denies rights, has been found unconstitutional as well.

          The federal constitution wins all disputes.

          The election of state judges is not prescribed in the federal constitution, and thus is left to the states.

        3. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          It’s another Jim McCarthy silly walk. You’ve now descended to slavery to achieve silly walk status. Only things left are Nazis and mass murder. Go for it Jimmy.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        $#!^

        Well, as Mama used to say, “Time wounds all heels.”

    4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      “Surely by now, we can determine which State’s courts are the better and implement their method of appointing judges nationwide.”

      “We”, under our federal constitution, is of course the people of the several states through their constitutions.

      That said, I don’t like popular election of judges either. I don’t like direct election of Commonwealth’s Attorneys for the same reason.

      Members of the judiciary need to be law upholders first, partisans second.

      But popular election requires key players in the judicial system to take public stands on issues which will come before them, and to be sufficiently partisan to win.

      Many good people would never put themselves or their families through the dual wringers of public elections and raising money for public elections .

      Virginia has generally selected judges with judicial temperaments.

      The woman elected in Wisconsin has demonstrated during the election and afterward that she does not have such a temperament. Nor do the justices who celebrated publicly with her.

      I would say the same thing about a conservative judge who comported herself that way.

      Popular elections of the judiciary are a bad idea.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I don’t like the election of Commonwealth’s attorneys, either. I just can’t figure out how to get them selected , unless by gubernatorial appointment or legislative appointment and neither of those sit right with me, either.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          This could work at all levels, feds and states.

          I think that a committee of appellate judges, drawn at random, should evaluate candidates for all judgeships, USAs, and CAs, including Supreme court.

          SUPREME COURT
          The governor/president selects 10 from the pool of candidates. BUT, he doesn’t appoint/nominate any of those 10.
          Nope, he draws his candidate for Supreme court from the 10 candidates selected by his PREDECESSOR.

          That way each governor/president is just like the rest of us — having to hold his nose and choose the least objectionable.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          This could work at all levels, feds and states.

          I think that a committee of appellate judges, drawn at random, should evaluate candidates for all judgeships, USAs, and CAs, including Supreme court.

          SUPREME COURT
          The governor/president selects 10 from the pool of candidates. BUT, he doesn’t appoint/nominate any of those 10.
          Nope, he draws his candidate for Supreme court from the 10 candidates selected by his PREDECESSOR.

          That way each governor/president is just like the rest of us — having to hold his nose and choose the least objectionable.

        3. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          This could work at all levels, feds and states.

          I think that a committee of appellate judges, drawn at random, should evaluate candidates for all judgeships, USAs, and CAs, including Supreme court.

          SUPREME COURT
          The governor/president selects 10 from the pool of candidates. BUT, he doesn’t appoint/nominate any of those 10.
          Nope, he draws his candidate for Supreme court from the 10 candidates selected by his PREDECESSOR.

          That way each governor/president is just like the rest of us — having to hold his nose and choose the least objectionable.

        4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Have Commonwealth’s Attorneys selected by Boards of Supervisors/City Councils using the same methods by which judges are selected by the General Assembly.

          Nothing is perfect, and that certainly would not be, but it beats candidates having to raise money and make campaign promises.

          See Alvin Bragg and his most famous campaign promise.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Temperament? Her? And he prove his lack in that speech.

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “About 20 years ago, a coal baron bought himself a supreme court justice in an election and the justice later ruled in his favor in a major fraud case.”

    A practice which apparently is still happening… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/78a37fefef11fca29615d231dc01b1fbefe627063cd7fd43dcc04fba900131e0.jpg

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Yeah, that was pretty disappointing. I guess I’ll never understand politicians / political figures. If Clarence Thomas wanted to live the high life he certainly could have resigned from the Supreme Court and made bank writing books and giving speeches.

      Despite serious cognitive issues, Biden made $13m in three years between being VP and president.

      https://nypost.com/2022/04/06/legal-experts-call-for-biden-to-release-corporate-tax-returns

      Obama gets $400,000 per speech!

      https://www.thestreet.com/investing/highest-paid-public-speakers-14315669#:~:text=for%20%24400%2C000%20last%20month.,by%20Cantor%20Fitzgerald%20next%20week.

      But, at the (accurate) risk of whataboutism, Tim Kaine accepted a free vacation from a billionaire campaign contributor at the billionaire’s private Caribbean island after being elected governor. He then re-appointed the billionaire to a prestigious position in the state.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/remembering-tim-kaines-caribbean-vacation/

      Was Clarence Thomas’ behavior illegal? I don’t know. Was it unseemly? Absolutely. Just like Tim Kaine’s behavior.

      In any regard, I should call you a racist for criticizing Clarence Thomas. After all, if any criticism of George Soros is anti-semitic then any criticism of Clarance Thomas is racist.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        As you note, the Biden and Obama largesse occurred while out of office, a reflection of political capitalism at its best. Kaine and Thomas tread in an ethical (and legal) minefield. All that is generally required for judges is to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Was Clarence Thomas’ behavior illegal?”

        It simply does not matter if it is illegal or not. He could flagrantly break any law he wants to and he would face no consequences. The R’s in Congress would just come up with some lame justification and refuse to impeach. They will allow any transgressions by any Conservative judge to ensure that Biden does not get an appointment.

    2. WayneS Avatar

      Based on the label, I’d say that’s a Cohiba.

      I prefer Montecristos myslef, but to each his own…

    3. The code of judicial ethics that applies to all federal judges has rules that require reporting of all gifts and travel paid for by others, but until last month, those rules had an exception for private travel and hospitality paid for by a personal friend who had no cases currently pending before the court.

      Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has responded to a news report about his failure to disclose trips paid for by a conservative billionaire, saying he “was advised that this sort of personal hospitality from a close personal friend, who did not have business
      before the Court, was not reportable.”

      At lease he knows what a woman is.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Agreed but I am less concerned with his reporting these gifts than I am about him taking these gifts.

        1. Perhaps, but considering the lack of ethical standards the left continuously exibits, I think this is motivated more by the desire to remove an annoyance than any great moral crusade. As such, it’s a nothing burger.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Yes, a Conservative judge benefiting personally and living large off of his public office is always a nothing burger to the Right.

          2. Eric, you know better than that. Why take a cheap shot?

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            It was not a cheap shot (well no cheaper than your “lack of ethical standards” shot). Over the past nearly ten years, we have seen the Right make excuse after excuse for abhorrent behaviors by their officials, often using the term “nothing burger”. I am waiting for them to deem anything as a something burger when it comes to the actions of their leadership. Won’t hold my breath.

          4. And in reply, I would say Nancy Pelosi’s insider trading and defense of same, the Biden family influence selling, the manufacture of a false Steele dossier by the Clinton campaign and the DNC and its use to spy on the Trump campaign and try to bring down his presidency, Nancy’s removal of the republican appointments on the Jan6 committee and replacing them with her hand picked Trump haters, and that’s just a short list. Compared to them, the acccusation that Thomas obeyed the letter of the law, but not the spirit (which is the charge), is a nothing burger.

            As I said, liberals lack standing to lecture on morality and integrity.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “…Nancy Pelosi’s insider trading and defense of same…”

            I think you are thinking of Senators Kelly Loeffler, David Perdue, John Hoeven, and Richard Burr… another example of well documented Republican “nothing burgers”….

          6. It’s good that we agree that the Steele dossier, Biden influence selling, and Jan6 removal were wrong. And you excuse the insider trading issue becasue you found republicans who did it too. Sounds like a win for me.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Actually, I just ignore the blatantly silly rightwing propaganda….

          8. Party affiliation seems to be the sole component of your moral analysis.

  3. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Once again, a member of the Plantation Elite argues for “the Virginia Way”. Once again, Virginia’s unique (and uniquely stupid) approach is defended. Once again, the question is not presented fairly.

    Only 7 states don’t have judicial elections.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Judicial_election_methods_by_state

    Of those 7 states, only Virginia and South Carolina have no qualification process whereby an independent committee recommends judges to the governor or legislature.

    In 2007, the University of Baltimore Law School wrote a scathing rebuke of Virginia’s approach to selecting judges:

    https://scholarworks.law.ubalt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1163&context=all_fac

    Has anything changed?

    Meanwhile, legislators who are lawyers vote for the state judges before whom they will argue cases. If nothing else illustrates the idiocy of Virginia’s approach, that does. Any active member of the Virginia bar should be required to recuse himself or herself from voting for judicial appointments. I’m not sure why this is a hard concept for the Plantation Elite to grasp but the Richmond apologists cannot seem to fathom the inherent problem with this.

    Even South Carolina sees the problems wit their antiquated approach to selecting state judges.

    “South Carolina is one of only two states, including Virginia, that uses a legislative election process to pick judges, according to the National Center for State Courts. Twenty-two states hold popular elections to select justices while 26 states use gubernatorial appointment, usually in combination with other checks and balances, such as merit commissions or legislative approval.”

    https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-legislators-wield-dangerous-power-over-south-carolina-courts-officials-warn/

    Soon, only Virginia will have the completely unfair process of legislative appointment of state judges.

    The Imperial Clown Show in Richmond speaks of “Mr. Jefferson” in hushed tones of pseudo-respect. Yet they eschew the very checks and balances that TJ would have demanded.

    The many examples of uniqueness in Virginia law (e.g., all cities are independent of counties) never speaks to innovation. These unique approaches (e.g., governors cannot run for consecutive terms) speak instead to the ghosts of the Byrd Machine whereby a small number of Plantation Elites seek to control the state to the detriment of the citizens.

    Virginia’s absurd process of electing state judges is just another example of the Plantation Elite corrupting the system in order to maintain control.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      At least this time it was Dick and not me, and I just chimed in in support. 😉 Again, Agee bill, mandatory qualifications review…he/we tried. (Then went onto the bench himself after failing to become Attorney General.)

    2. WayneS Avatar

      I think we need to overhaul our process and have minimum qualification standards for judges so that our GA is required to select from a group of vetted individuals for positions on our courts.

      However, like Mr. Haner and Mr. Hall-Sizemore, I do not support choosing judges by popular election. Having people “run” for judgeships in popular elections seems to me to be an excellent way to end up with a lot of unqualified and/or incompetent and/or highly-partisan people on our courts.

      If you think [fill in the blank]-backed Commonwealth’s Attorneys are harming our justice system, imagine how much damage a [fill-in-the-blank]-backed judge can do.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Thanks for the link to the law review article. Much of it is spent describing some of the politics involved, which I alluded to (Steve said I “glossed” over it). There is no denying that politics are involved. However, the author of the article did not contend or attempt to claim that politics resulted in unqualified judges. In many cases, the politics are not partisan politics, but politics between the two houses. One house wants a candidate and the other house is firmly for another

      No system is perfect. The unfortunate situation in which Republican legislators objected to the reappointment of a Newport News circuit court judge due to her sexual orientation is an example of how sometimes issues other than judicial merit drive the legislators.

      The author worries about judges tailoring their opinions so as not to offend legislators who are in a position to reappoint them. When a judge has to worry about an election and not offending citizens who may not understand or understand legal nuances, the danger is even greater for “tailored” opinions.

      In the end, the author portrays the Virginia judiciary as a bunch of judges cowering before legislators and trying to protect their pensions. That picture does not comport with reality.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        I agree. The judges I know just do the job. By and large, only judges who are not good at the job, as assessed by the attorneys who practice before them among others, are denied reappointment.

        Trying to “game” the politics of reappointment from the bench is a fools errand anyway. And the judges I know are not fools.

    4. WayneS Avatar

      I think we need to overhaul our process and have minimum qualification standards for judges so that our GA is required to select from a group of vetted individuals for positions on our courts.

      However, like Mr. Haner and Mr. Hall-Sizemore, I do not support choosing judges by popular election. Having people “run” for judgeships in popular elections seems to me to be an excellent way to end up with a lot of unqualified and/or incompetent and/or highly-partisan people on our courts.

      If you think [fill in the blank]-backed Commonwealth’s Attorneys are harming our justice system, imagine how much damage a [fill-in-the-blank]-backed judge can do.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I considered including something like your last paragraph, but I decided against going there.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          I really was trying to be fair about it.

          I do not know of any, but there may very well be a billionaire right-wing/conservative out there buying – I mean, supporting – republican candidates at the same level as a certain leftist/liberal billionaire I am aware of buys – I mean, supports – democrat candidates.

          And I’m sure my liberal friends do not want far-right Commonwealth’s Attorneys and judges dominating the judicial branch of our state government any more than conservatives want far-left Commonwealth’s Attorneys and judges dominating it.

        2. WayneS Avatar

          I really was trying to be fair about it.

          I do not know of any, but there may very well be a billionaire right-wing/conservative out there buying – I mean, supporting – republican candidates at the same level as a certain leftist/liberal billionaire I am aware of buys – I mean, supports – democrat candidates.

          And I’m sure my liberal friends do not want far-right Commonwealth’s Attorneys and judges dominating the judicial branch of our state government any more than conservatives want far-left Commonwealth’s Attorneys and judges dominating it.

        3. WayneS Avatar

          I really was trying to be fair about it.

          I do not know of one, but there may very well be a billionaire right-wing/conservative out there buying – I mean, supporting – republican candidates at the same level as a certain leftist/liberal billionaire I am aware of buys – I mean, supports – democrat candidates.

          And I’m sure my liberal friends do not want far-right Commonwealth’s Attorneys and judges dominating the judicial branch of our state government any more than conservatives want far-left Commonwealth’s Attorneys and judges dominating it.

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            The right-wing billionaire buying/supporting candidates was Sheldon Adelson.

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Sizemore referenced Richard Uihlein contributing $6 million to the conservative in the WI race. He contributed $500 K to Nick Freitas’s campaign a few years ago. Another conservative billionaire funded the future efforts of Leonard Leo in conservative politics. Leo vacationed with Justice Thomas at a NY summer residence of Harlan Crow (Pro Publica provided a photo), one of the several “personal hospitality” enjoyed by an intimate group. Soros has at least three known competitors.

    5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Some solid points there…

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    I’ve been in full agreement for a long time, Dick. Electing judges is wrong. My friend Steve Agee when a legislator pushed a bill to strengthen the qualifications review for judicial candidates, but without removing the direct election power of the Assembly. Both Houses must produce a majority for all names. But you do gloss over the politics, as the decisions are made in the party caucus (in a closed room) and then presented to the full body. When the chambers are in different hands, as they are now, compromise is forced upon them. But it breaks down, as it has now with the vacancies on the State Corporation Commission.

    Agee’s bill failed, despite his plea to the membership: “You can still pick your buddies! They just have to prove they are qualified!” Luckily, so far, each new generation of legislators has wanted to maintain the reputation for picking folks who are qualified and fair. Overall they’ve done very well.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      “Luckily, so far, each new generation of legislators has wanted to maintain the reputation for picking folks who are qualified and fair. Overall they’ve done very well.”

      Ahhh … the Virginia Way. No rules, no ethics – just assume that legislators like Dick Saslaw are honest public servants.

      Spare me.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Can you give me an example of Dick Saslaw being a dishonest public servant? (Doing things you disagree is not being dishonest.)

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Did you as Senator Saslaw the same question in 2014, when he railed against the ethics bill passed in the wake of McDonnell?

          “Saslaw said he knew of “a ton” of other alleged ethical mishaps by state officials — besides those alleged in the McDonnell case — that weren’t publicized. The root of all of those problems, he said, was the character of the wrongdoers, not the state’s laws.”

          1. WayneS Avatar

            The root of all of those problems, he said, was the character of the wrongdoers…

            Mr. Saslaw probably knows a lot about that…

            (In my opinion, of course).

          2. WayneS Avatar

            The root of all of those problems, he said, was the character of the wrongdoers…

            Mr. Saslaw probably knows a lot about that…

            (In my opinion, of course).

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I concur with that as well, at least in my opinion and certainly optics.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          After the 2010 census Saslaw vowed that the Repub Virginia Senate districts would not stand. The next day he rolled over and accepted them. That cost the Dems the state Senate. When asked about his previous statement Saslaw replied “I lied”.

          Lying is dishonest, and his guilt was affirmed out of his own mouth. An example as you requested.

        3. WayneS Avatar

          Yes, I can, but I am not going to go into it here. Let’s just say that I was (and still am) amazed at what some people will say while in an elevator with complete strangers.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            -Zat why we call them “elevator statements”?

        4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Are you referring to “Dominion Dick” Saslaw?

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      The bottom line is that you favor election of judges preferably by a vote of elected representatives. Can’t trust the hoi polloi,,,,

      1. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        That same hoi polloi that elects the representatives who elect the judges?

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