Governor Glenn Youngkin. Photo Credit: Associated Press

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

In Texas, the phrase, “all hat, no cattle” refers to someone who is all talk with little substance. Governor Glenn Youngkin is in the running for one of those hats.

The latest “Team Youngkin” fund-raising scare e-mail deals with fentanyl.

It starts off by recounting the number of fatal overdoses in Virginia attributable to fentanyl. That is why, the Governor says, “I didn’t hesitate when Governor Greg Abbott asked for additional resources to assist in critical border security efforts in Texas. I deployed the Virginia National Guard, and 100 brave Virginians answered the call to serve and protect our Commonwealth by going to Texas and joining the mission to stop fentanyl from flowing unabated into America.”

It is closer to home that Youngkin emphasizes the real problem. “Unfortunately, our efforts to punish the criminals who sell deadly fentanyl in our neighborhoods have been blocked by the far-left in control of the Virginia Senate.” He is referring to the Senate killing his legislation (SB 1490) that would have made anyone distributing a substance containing more than two milligrams of fentanyl, without the person obtaining the substance knowing that it contained fentanyl, guilty of attempted first-degree murder. If someone died from using that substance, the distributor would be guilty of first-degree murder.

On their face, these actions may sound reasonable. However, the details tell a different story.

Source of Fentanyl

The Governor is correct in that most fentanyl is coming into the United States from Mexico. Presumably, in sending Virginia National Guard troops to Texas to help out, Governor Youngkin agrees with Texas Governor Abbot, who claims, “President Biden’s open-border policies have paved the way for … deadly drugs like fentanyl to pour into our communities.”

However, there is evidence that illegal immigrants are not the primary source of the fentanyl. According to recent analysis by the Brookings Institution, “the vast majority of fentanyl enters the United States through legal ports of entry.” Specifically, “In 2022, Border Patrol agents who were not at a port of entry accounted for just 9% of fentanyl seizures.”

And who is bringing in this fentanyl? “Mexican cartels intensively hire U.S. citizens to smuggle drugs across the border because U.S. citizens generate less suspicion and are often subject to less inspection security than foreign nationals.” In 2022, 88% of fentanyl trafficking convictions were of U.S. citizens. Only 0.02% of people arrested by the Border Patrol crossing illegally into the U.S. possessed any fentanyl. Furthermore, the report documents how “pharmacies” set up in Mexico by the cartels can mail illegal pills to U.S. residents. There are also other means of getting fentanyl into the U.S., such as using drones.

It is safe to say that Youngkin spending $3.1 million to send 100 Virginia National Guard troops to Texas for two weeks had no effect on the flow of fentanyl into Virginia.

Distribution Defined as Murder

The legislation proposed by the governor would have little substantive effect. Although the governor implies that the people who distribute fentanyl in “our neighborhoods” are unpunishable, there has long been a statute on the books that carries a significant penalty for anyone convicted of distributing fentanyl.

The legislation would have dealt with anyone who distributes a substance that he “knows or should know” contains a detectable amount of fentanyl to another person without that person’s knowing that it contains fentanyl. If the distribution results in the death of the other person from his use of the substance containing fentanyl, the person who distributed it would be guilty of first-degree murder. If death did not result, the person doing the distributing would be guilty of attempted first-degree murder. (Technically, the bill ties into an existing statute that makes killing someone by the use of poison a first-degree murder.)

Currently, the manufacture, sale, or distribution of a Schedule I or II drug, such as fentanyl, is a felony punishable with a sentence in prison of 5 to 40 years (Sec. 18.2-248). First-degree murder is a Class 2 felony, punishable by 20 years to life (Sec. 18.2-10 and Sec. 18.2-32). Attempted first-degree murder is a Class 4 felony punishable by 2-10 years (Sec. 18.2-10 and 18.2-26).

In summary, under the governor’s proposal, if a person died from taking a substance containing fentanyl, the person who gave or sold it to him would be subject to a penalty of 20 years to life, as opposed to the current penalty of 5 to 40 years for distribution of a Schedule I or II substance. One would be hard put to credibly argue that someone intent on committing an offense now subject to a 40-year sentence would be deterred by an increase of the penalty to a possible life sentence.

If the person taking the substance containing fentanyl “merely” had a bad reaction and did not die, the governor’s proposal, paradoxically. contains a lighter sentence of 2 to 10 years, as opposed to the 5 to 40 years for distribution of a controlled substance. A good prosecutor in such a case would go with a charge under the current law. In addition to the possible higher sentence for distribution, for attempted murder, the prosecutor would have to prove intent, which would probably be difficult in these types of cases. (See the Supreme Court of Virginia opinion in Baldwin v Commonwealth.) A good defense attorney, on the other hand, would use the governor’s proposal as a plea bargain.

Opposition to the bill came primarily from folks who work in substance abuse prevention and treatment. Sen. Jennifer Boysko (D-Fairfax) related that she had worked closely with the Virginia Addiction and Recovery Council, which is comprised primarily of professionals in the field, and that group is strongly against increasing criminal penalties for substance abuse. That objection missed the thrust of the bill, as Sen. Jill Vogel (R-Fauquier), patron of the bill, pointed out. The bill would not have increased penalties for users of illegal drugs, but, rather, on those distributing illegal drugs; in this case, fentanyl.

Others claimed that most of those selling drugs on the street were “penny ante” dealers, with some just trying to support their own habits, who really did not know what was contained in what they were selling. The fentanyl would have been infused into the pills further up the distribution chain. Therefore, it seemed excessive to subject these folks to a life sentence. These objections missed the mark, as well. Under the proposal, someone distributing the substance containing fentanyl would be guilty of first-degree murder or attempted first-degree murder only if he knew or should have known that it contained fentanyl. If the “penny ante” dealers did not know that fentanyl was included in what they were selling, they would not be subject to the harsher penalty.

That provision is another reason why the governor’s proposal would be largely ineffective. In the case of a fatal fentanyl overdose, if the police were able to identify the person who gave the victim the substance, a defense would likely be, “I didn’t know the stuff had fentanyl! The guy I got it from told me it was Percocet (or whatever).” The prosecutor would bear the burden of proving that the distributor knew or should have known that there was fentanyl. If most of the distributors are truly “penny ante” dealers, that would likely be difficult to prove.

There was little debate among the members and the committee killed the bill on a partisan 9-6 vote.

There was a companion bill in the House (HB 1455). That one got reported out of committee and passed by the House, but not before it was amended to strike out the phrase “or should know” in reference to the distributor’s level of knowledge regarding the presence of fentanyl. Thus, the bill was narrower in scope. In the words of Del. Tim Anderson (R-Virginia Beach), its sponsor, it was aimed at those dealers who intentionally inject fentanyl into pills and then pass them off as Adderall to unsuspecting college students.

When the House bill got to the Senate committee, there was much more debate.  Sen. Joe Morrissey (D-Petersburg) asked how a dealer would know that there is fentanyl present. Del. Anderson replied that could be a defense, but there are distributors who purposely put fentanyl in pills and sell them as something else and those are the people that the bill was targeting. Sen. Morrissey replied that was the problem with the bill—proving what the distributor knew. Del. Anderson acknowledged that issue and replied that it was “just another tool for the prosecutor.”

Del. Chap Petersen (D-Fairfax) pointed out that the legislature was also considering, and the Senate had approved, legislation classifying substances containing detectable amounts of fentanyl, except as authorized in the Drug Control Act, as weapons of terrorism and made it a Class 4 felony to distribute such substances. (See HB 1682 and SB 1188, passed in the 2023 Session.) He asked about the interplay of that legislation with Anderson’s proposed bill. “Aren’t we just criminalizing the same action over and over?” Anderson tried to draw a distinction, but Peterson was not satisfied that there was a clear distinction.

Somewhat along the same lines, Sen. Jennifer McClellan (D-Richmond) asked why the current statute designating murder by poison as first-degree could not be used. Why was the proposed bill needed? Anderson replied that a court might be willing to consider fentanyl a poison, but “poison” was not defined in the context of the existing statute and the proposed legislation provided clarification.

To summarize, Governor Youngkin sent Virginia National Guard troops to Texas to help stop fentanyl from being brought in by illegal immigrants when the vast majority of fentanyl is brought in from Mexico by American citizens. He then proposed legislation that was not needed. There is already a stiff penalty on the books for distribution of Schedule I or II substances and the penalties proposed in the governor’s bill under one scenario would not have provided any deterrence and, under another scenario, would have been lower than what is in current law.

Furthermore, as originally drafted, the legislation included a ready defense for anyone charged under it, with the prosecutor having to prove that the distributor knew or should have known the fentanyl was in the pill. The only advantage of the bill was a political one — to call the distribution of fentanyl to unsuspecting customers murder. Finally, contrary to the governor’s castigation of Senate Democrats blocking efforts to punish distributors of fentanyl, the Senate overwhelmingly (38-2) approved legislation that singled out the distribution of fentanyl as a specific offense. It was just not the bill the governor preferred.

Just as with the abortion issue, Youngkin has taken actions and made proposals that sound tough, but, upon inspection, would have little practical effect, all while making misleading accusations. All hat, no cattle.

My Soapbox

Watching the earlier video of the Senate Judiciary consideration of the Senate bill, I was annoyed by two aspects, both of which must exasperate members of the general public attending the meetings or watching them through a live feed.  First, there were a lot of empty chairs behind the long desks where the members sit. Unlike the House, the Senate allows proxy voting. Therefore, although there may have been only six or seven Senators present, the votes on bills would usually total 15, the full membership of the committee. I understand that legislators sometimes need to leave so as to present one of their bills before another committee that is meeting at the same time. However, another big reason for the absences is that many members are members of two (or more) committees that are meeting at the same time. Therefore, they need to shuffle between committees. That situation could be significantly mitigated, if not eliminated, by better scheduling and more coordination of appointments to committees.

Second, there was very little discussion of the Senate bill by the members. The only member to voice objections was Sen. Boysko, whose objection was not relevant to the bill, as was pointed out earlier in this article. (Indirectly, Sen. Scott Surovell (D-Fairfax) had made his objections known. During the discussion of the bill considered immediately before the fentanyl bill, he had explained that he was voting against it because it increased the penalty for an existing offense and he had concluded that increasing criminal penalties was not effective.) It seems to me that, if legislators are going to oppose a bill, especially one proposed by the governor on a major issue such as fentanyl, they owe it to the public to explain why they are voting against the bill. Of course, many of those recorded as voting “no” were not present to provide any explanation.


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69 responses to “All Hat, No Cattle”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I saw Youngkin’s “support” of Abbot as a “tell” with a whiff of demagoguery that is going to be noticed by those who may not be natural GOP supporters and who are looking for principled middle ground governance.

    Most informed folks KNOW that Biden alone (nor could Trump) actually deal with the border immigration issues… without changes from Congress, yet that bell is rung again over and over as if there is actually something that Biden can do that courts will not overturn – as they just did with DHS use of cell phones to require registration of would be assylum-seekers.

    Further, Fentanyl and other drugs find their way into the US through a variety of paths… and it’s driven by demand….like it has always been with cocaine and heroin and meth and others.

    Trying to stop/block/intercept drugs coming into the country and state is a never-ending whack-a-mole thing that we’re never going to solve from a criminal justice perspective. Something will come AFTER fentanyl just as fentanyl followed cocaine and oxy-codine… The name of the drug changes but the basic issue
    does not. And mixing it in a cocktail with immigration and Abbot is just more politics… IMO.

    1. Correction: Fentanyl followed meth which followed oxy which followed cocaine which followed heroin…

      😉

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        yes, whatever… the names and position in the timeline is not really as important as
        the fact that they’re all drugs that there is an evolving societal demand for and
        criminal enterprises will deliver no matter what law enforcement does.

        1. I was joking…

  2. Lefty665 Avatar

    “Currently, the manufacture, sale, or distribution of a Schedule I or II
    drug, such as fentanyl, is a felony punishable with a sentence in prison
    of 5 to 40 years”

    Pot is a Schedule I drug. Virginia is not treating it like fentanyl. Curious.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Sec. 18.2-247 makes a distinction betweeen “marijuana” and those “tetrahydrocannabinol isomer, ester, ether, salt or salts of such isomer, ester, or ether that has been placed by the Board of Pharmacy into one of the schedules set forth in the Drug Control Act.”

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        That is a distinction without a difference. Do you really want to stand on the difference between weed and THC gummies? How many angels can dance on the head of that pin? Pot is still a Federal Schedule I drug. You are using Schedule I & II drugs as part of your argument. Pot’s classification as a Schedule I drug makes a mockery of that classification and your argument suffers as a consequence.

        note: 54.1-3443 H. Any tetrahydrocannabinol isomer, ester, ether, salt, or salts of such isomer, ester, or ether scheduled pursuant to this section shall not be included in the definition of marijuana set forth in § 4.1-600, 18.2-247, or 54.1-3401.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Schedule is dependent upon which lobby bought the politician.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            Reefer madness has been with us for a long time, Does that mean they’re all bought?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I think it’s safe to say they have been purchased since 1789.

        2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I confess that I am ignorant of the nuances of the definition of pot.

          I am not the one using Schedule I or II as a base for the argument. The current Code prohibits distribution of a Schedule I substance. Fentanyl is a Schedule I drug. So is pot and it is illegal to sell pot in Virginia, but not illegal to possess relatively small amounts of it.

          Here is the process for designating chemical compounds as controlled substances:

          “In 2014, the General Assembly enacted legislation giving the Board of Pharmacy authority to amend its regulations to add substances to Schedule I or II of the Drug Control Act via an expedited regulatory process. Pursuant to § 54.1-3443, the Board must notify the General Assembly’s House and Senate Courts of Justice Committees of any new compounds added to the list of Schedule I or II controlled substances. The scheduling of new compounds adopted by the Board of Pharmacy via this process remains in effect for a period of 18 months, after which the compounds will be de-scheduled unless the
          Drug Control Act is amended by legislation passed by the General Assembly.”

          When the bills are introduced at the request of the
          Board of Pharmacy, they are usually not changed substantively by the General Assembly. For an example, see HB 1803, 2019 Session. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+sum+HB1803&191+sum+HB1803

  3. Since when are you opposed to laws which are unnecessary and/or will ultimately be ineffective?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      For a long time. From the perspective of watching/working with legislators, I understand the politics of such legislation.

      1. But do you apply that to guns laws? Like the unnecessary and or/useless laws passed a few years ago when the democrats had total control of our state government?

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          You will have to be more specific.

          1. Okay. There were six basic areas where they passed new legislation, five of which have a much greater effect on law-abiding gun owners than criminals, and none of which has, or will have, any effect on crime in Virginia (apart from any new crimes they may have created).

            The sixth, the “Red Flag” law is superfluous.

            The six areas are: the so-called “Universal” Background Check Law; The Red Flag Law; One Handgun a Month Law; Lost and Stolen Guns Reporting requirement; “Children and Access to Guns”; Law empowering local governments to restrict guns from public buildings.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          He’s never met a bill that expanded Government overreach he wasn’t for, I think that’s specific enough.

  4. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    “There are also other means of getting fentanyl into the U.S., such as using drones.”

    Show you don’t understand technology without telling me you don’t understand technology. Drones are subject to FAA (remote ID) regulations and crossing an international boarder is a big old no no. However, you know what would assist at stopping that? A boarder wall with cameras as well as personal equipped with Nods.

    Also, from the citation you used (clearly either you didn’t read/understand. or chose to misrepresent) they use just citizens to get it across the boarder, once internal it’s their own forces (which most of the time aren’t legal).

    “It is safe to say that Youngkin spending $3.1 million to send 100 Virginia National Guard troops to Texas for two weeks had no effect on the flow of fentanyl into Virginia.”

    I don’t think it’s safe to say anything, as we don’t have the facts. Nor do we know the VANG deployments within those jurisdictions, but hey the CPB making requests for help shouldn’t have been heeded.

    On top of that your complete and utter lack of knowledge about what happens to those individuals who the coyotes bring across the boarder is sad. That is the first step is sex trafficking and also getting those very people addicted to fentanyl. If you are so naïve to not understand that the cartels operate their networks in country, there is no helping you.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Don’t the coyotes who bring across the illegals also work for the same cartels who produce and smuggle the fentanyl?

      Doesn’t smart law enforcement attack organized crime organizations from multiple angles?

      Wasn’t Al Capone sent to prison for tax evasion rather than the many murders he ordered?

      Weakening the cartels weakens their ability to produce and smuggle fentanyl.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        All good thoughts but the primary point is that organized crime is very much part of it.. that’s what a “cartel” is. They don’t drop the drugs at the border – they send them across to the border to US-based criminal organizations to get out to street distribution.

        Who we arrest primarily are the lower level street folks into a revolving door criminal justice system that seldom gets the big guys and even when it does, other big guys just take over.

        There is no criminal justice solution to drugs… as long as there is demand for drugs.. it will be met by cartels and the like to source it then get it across borders…

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Right. So, if a street level dealer is facing life in prison because a fentanyl death that kills the user is considered murder – what happens?

          The street dealer flips. They turn state’s evidence and the authorities can go after the next level.

          In my mind, fentanyl is a unique case among illegal drugs. It is extremely lethal and often disguised as something else when sold on the street.

          I think (but don’t know) that most drug dealers who die from fentanyl never knew they were taking fentanyl.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            No. We’re doing the same thing with drugs that we did with Alcohol during prohibition. The street dealer is not going to flip .. for the most part. The big guys are not easy to get to and the reality is you get the street dealer and NOTHING happens to the drug flow.. it continues.. just some new faces….doing it…

            Yes fentanyl is terrible… but there are new drugs coming out that are more powerful than fentanyl. Will that change the traditional approach that we’re still using little different than when we have cocaine, meth, oxycodine, etc?

            Acting like fentanyl is a “new’ dire threat that justifies the death penalty is silly… it’s the very same problem we’ve always had… and putting street dealers to death… like dong so will stop the flow of drugs… is not smart….. it basically is pandering to the “tough on crime” folk and it does little towards that end.

          2. Acting like fentanyl is a “new’ dire threat that justifies the death penalty is silly..

            I think I missed something here. Who said fentanyl convictions deserve the death penalty?

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Fentanyl has literally been laced into 99% of the drugs coming out of Mexico. It’s a surefire way to you addicted.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Very much so, the point that Dick has just glossed over to play politics is that they are intertwined. The issue is we have a Federal Government that isn’t interested in enforcing their boarders and a Mexican government who isn’t interested in cooperating with counternarcotic. The Mexican Government is the cartels and has been giving them a free pass in all they do and now they are taking over legal businesses.

        A prime example of the cartels being intertwined with illegal smuggling can be seen in the movie Sicario: Day of Soldado. While not a historical piece, it illustrates exactly what occurs with the smuggling of individuals and drugs.

  5. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    And third, the ploy to help Abbot was to gain republican support if needed after he wins both senate and house and heads to the White House.

    When I read the email, I thought there was little connection to Fetanyl in his support for the border request by Abbot.

    Yesterday, it was support parent choice in VA Beach.

  6. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Why wouldn’t the distribution and attempted murder charges be additive?

    1. I was wondering the same thing.

      Also, I thought the purpose of the proposed law was to punish a person who gives someone fentanyl without their knowledge.

      After all, an addict who purchases from his dealer knows/expects that he is buying fentanyl. If he overdoses on what he purchased, then the proposed law would not even apply.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      They could be. Prosecutors tend to pile on charges for violations of several Code sections for the same action, then drop most as part of plea bargaining. As Del. Anderson said, the bill would have just given prosecutors another tool.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Another tool in the fight against fentanyl doesn’t seem like such a bad idea to me.

  7. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Interesting isn’t Dick, that the Senate allows proxy voting, but will ban folks from speaking on zoom. You know why the Senate is loaded as it is.

    The problem with a lot of them, especially without term limits, is they don’t think they owe the public anything. Another reason why they don’t show up.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      In the sessions that I watched, they took comments from people on Zoom.

  8. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “During the discussion of the bill considered immediately before the fentanyl bill, he had explained that he was voting against it because it increased the penalty for an existing offense and he had concluded that increasing criminal penalties was not effective.”

    Funny how the Mafia avoided drug dealing for years and years because they felt the penalties were too high and their people would “turn rat” to avoid lengthy prison sentences. People caught dealing drugs got whacked. Eventually, the greed got too much and they started dealing drugs. The mob dealers got caught, were sentenced to long prison terms and turned rat.

    A huge blow to organized crime in the US.

    I’m not sure why some of that same logic doesn’t hold here.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      In the vast majority of cases, Virginia judges do not sentence offenders to the maximum sentences authorized by law. You can see this by reading the fiscal impact statements prepared by the Sentencing Commission and attached to each criminal law bill. If judges are not sentencing to the maximum now, it does not make any sense logically to increase the maximum sentence for an offense, except to make political points

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Any rhyme or reason with respect to what the code calls for in sentencing and the sentencing guidelines themselves?

        Are the latter derived in some say from the former?

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          The sentencing guidelines are based on the actual sentences imposed by judges. I plan to write an article some day outlining how the sentencing guidelines are derived and used.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        No, it makes sense to give judges more discretion in extreme cases. And once the General Assembly is in Republican hands you’ll see more “hanging judges” appointed who will put fentanyl dealers away for life. Why? Because Republicans are tough on crime while Democrats are soft on crime.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          The Democrats were in the majority for only two years since 2000. Therefore, most of the trial judges were elected when Republicans were in the majority in at least one house and, sometimes, in both houses.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      DJ – where do you think these drugs come from if not from criminal enterprises… like the Mafia and other organized crime?

      https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/twelve-defendants-charged-trafficking-fentanyl-laced-heroin-cocaine-and-other-drugs

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Anyone seen the Sacklers lately? Wouldn’t put it past them.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Well also.. it’s like the term “Cartels” has disappeared from the lexicon of crime!

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        The Mafia was the term used for a specific criminal enterprise led by Italian Americans organized across “5 families”. Unfortunately, there are many more criminal enterprises.

  9. VaPragamtist Avatar
    VaPragamtist

    A bit off topic, but has anyone else noticed the recent administration changes? The public safety secretary and deputy both left in the spring. Over the last several weeks, appointment announcements have included at least 4 new deputy secretaries of public safety, bringing the total to 5 deputies and one assistant secretary.

    It was announced yesterday that the well-liked DOC director–who was appointed by McDonnell and reappointed by McAuliffe and Northam–is leaving in September.

    And it was just announced that Kay Cole James is leaving her post as Secretary of the Commonwealth.

    So I guess the question is. . .is it just a coincidence that all of these people are leaving mid-admin; is Youngkin cleaning house of anyone from a previous administration; or is there internal turmoil?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      People I had talked with, who were knowledgeable, had dismissed the former Secretary of Public Safety as being totally ineffectual. I had noticed the large number of deputy secretaries. In the past, there were three at most.

      I have been out of touch lately and missed the announcement that Harold Clarke was being replaced. That is a big mistake. The prison system is an area that can really bite a governor if it is not run well (ask Chuck Robb). If things are quiet, it is best to leave for a governor to leave it alone. There have been some problems bubbling up to public view lately, but Clarke has handled worse problems in the past.

      An even bigger mistake was appointing someone who has absolutely no experience working in, much less running, a prison system.
      Governors have tried that in the past and it never worked out well.

      I would expect the senior management around Clarke, most of whom are eligible to retire, will leave shortly after Clarke, which create even more problems.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        You’re right there, Dick. Youngkin should remember the old adage, “Even a child knows not to eat a marshmallow with a single bite.”

        The Virginia Department of Corrections is not an area that needs near – term attention.

  10. William Chambliss Avatar
    William Chambliss

    I have always been of the belief that where there is BS there is at least a few cattle…..

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or, da gub’na is hiding it in his hat.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKFsGPqtQio&t=5s

  11. how_it_works Avatar
    how_it_works

    “Currently, the manufacture, sale, or distribution of a Schedule I or II drug, such as fentanyl, is a felony punishable with a sentence in prison of 5 to 40 years (Sec. 18.2-248).”

    Could you clarify this statement with what class felony this is?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      There are some instances in which the Code sets out penalties for offenses separate from the standard felony classification. These are known as unclassified felonies and Sec. 18.2-248 is one such example. I do not know why this is the case. It may have been in the Code before the Class 1-6 felony classification was adopted and the legislature just never saw any reason to change it, for instance.

  12. Youngkin has taken actions and made proposals that sound tough, but, upon inspection, would have little practical effect, all while making misleading accusations.

    The exact same thing can be said about Ralph Northam and the gun laws he supported and then signed in 2020. Did you criticize him then?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      As I remember, I was in favor of some, or most, of those gun laws. Again, you need to be specific.

      1. “As I remember, I was in favor of some, or most, of those gun laws. Again, you need to be specific.”

        I’ll be specific.

        18.2-56.2. Allowing access to firearms by children

        I said at the time that the law was unnecessary as the more appropriate law to penalize a neglectful adult was an existing felony charge of child abuse and neglect.

        Guess what? That’s the law used to hold Deja Taylor accountable.

        “Deja Taylor, the mother of the 6-year-old who shot his teacher at Richneck Elementary School, has pleaded guilty to a felony charge of child abuse and neglect.”

        https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/mother-of-6-year-old-richneck-shooter-expected-to-plead-guilty/

        Northam’s gun law had no impact, and instead of doing anything productive, (like a campaign to educate parents about their responsibilities under existing law), Democrats propose more gun laws that wont’ help. This is the very thing you just complained about above.

        But it gets worse. If the Northam gun law were to be strictly enforced, it would disproportionally impact minorities and the poor.

      2. Please see above (or below, depending upon how you sort comments).

        Also, Nathan has provided an excellent example.

        A second would be making it a crime with a substantial fine to fail to report a lost or stolen gun within 48 hours. What possible effect will that have on crime and criminals?

        What effect has it had since it went into affect 3 years ago?

      3. Lefty665 Avatar

        A third was making anything with a magazine larger than 20 rounds an “assault rifle”.

        1. When I insert a full 20-round magazine into my AR-15 it is not an “assault firearm”.

          When I insert a 30-round magazine into my AR-15 it is an “assault firearm” – even if there are only 10 rounds in the magazine.

          These people and their useless laws could not be more illogical if they took a sacred pledge to be illogical.

  13. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    I think it’s great that liberal Democrats continue to criticize Republican proposals that are tough on crime. NOTHING will bring out more voters this November to vote Republican. NOTHING will do more to turn independents into Republicans.

    Where did the Dems get their marketing savvy? Bud Light?

    Keep it up, Dick. You’re doing more for the GOP than most of the Republican politicians in the General Assembly.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What I am criticizing are politicians that act like they are being tough on crime, but whose measures do nothing to deter crime. They likely are aware of this, but push the measures anyway to score political points. It would be easy to vote for such bills when you know that they will not have any effect but, by voting for them. you can avoid being criticized as being soft on crime. That is why I admire the honesty of Sen. Scott Surovell.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        I grew up in Scott’s district. I went to the same high school as Scott. I have worked directly with Scott on raising money to bring computers and internet connectivity to poor children (before Fairfax County began giving every child such tools).

        Scott is a liberal representing a very liberal district. He represents his constituents well.

        However, neither Scott nor his constituents represent the majority of Virginians.

        You have admitted that the proposed law would allow more charges to be brought against the drug dealers. You have admitted that the new law would give judges the option of imposing longer sentences on those dealers. You omitted the fact that fighting the same cartels who profit from running illegals at the border also undercuts their finances and makes it harder for them to import fentanyl.

        I think you are the one playing politics here, Dick.

        And you picked exactly the wrong issue for playing politics.

        America (and Virginia) is sick of unaccountable government officials. From school boards who ignore parents to local governments who defund the police to Soros-funded DAs who only enforce the laws they like.

        You should stick to abortion and socialized medicine. Those platforms have legs. Criticizing politicians who are trying to get tough on fentanyl dealers is a losing proposition.

        Unless, of course, you are secretly a Republican plant. Lol!

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          getting “tough” on fentanyl dealers is NOT getting tough on crime… it’s ineffective “virtue signaling” on the issue.

          It “works” only in the sense that some folks think putting someone in prison actually stops the drugs… which it does not.

      2. What I am criticizing are politicians that act like they are being tough on crime, but whose measures do nothing to deter crime.

        Exactly my point RE: Gun laws.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Some folks want effective strategies unlike the usual “tough on crime” pablum… where they get the street folks but not the real crime bosses. put them in jail and feel like something is accomplished.

      Others take their places almost immediately in the food chain as the Cartels need a way to get their stuff to the street level.

      but it works like a charm for the GOP… to claim they are being “tough on crime”… even as the flow of drugs continues as it had been before the “arrests”.

  14. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “There are also other means of getting fentanyl into the U.S., such as using drones.”

    Well, there are those who will point to FAA Regulations and IFF type standards as those people who smuggle fentanyl will operate their drones legally.

    Point of fact, border jumping to smuggle is for chumps. The vast majority of contraband comes right through customs.
    “Close to 90% of that fentanyl is seized at ports of entry. Immigration authorities say it is smuggled mostly by U.S. citizens, as well as other travelers who are legally authorized to cross. Virtually none is seized from migrants who are seeking asylum.”

  15. Turbocohen Avatar
    Turbocohen

    Fentanyl is a murder weapon so penalize those who distribute it as such. Blame goes to those who keep our borders open to allow gangs to transport it. Conduct military operations against Mexican cartels, in Mexico. Nothing short of that will stop the flow, Mexican government has failed us for too long.

    1. What about China’s role?

      Overdoses on fentanyl and other synthetic opioids are the leading cause of death for Americans under the age of 45. China was for years the world’s primary source of fentanyl, but that changed when the country, in 2019, effectively banned fentanyl exports to the United States, a move that the Trump administration hailed. The celebration, unfortunately, was premature. Chinese chemical and shipping companies began instead selling precursor chemicals for manufacturing fentanyl to Mexican drug cartels, which subsequently smuggled the illicit material into the United States.

      https://www.gmfus.org/news/chinas-role-us-fentanyl-crisis#:~:text=Chinese%20chemical%20and%20shipping%20companies,material%20into%20the%20United%20States.

  16. “In 2022, Border Patrol agents who were not at a port of entry accounted for just 9% of fentanyl seizures.”

    It’s not the seizures of fentanyl that are a problem. The problem is the fentanyl that makes it through. If we knew exactly how that was happening, it wouldn’t happen. The efforts to discount the role of illegals is a dishonest attempt by the current administration to minimize their own culpability.

    The border is not being effectively controlled and there’s no way of knowing who or what in making it through. That has an impact on fentanyl, other drugs, gangs, terrorism, etc.

    Exclusive: Smuggler with ties to ISIS helped migrants enter US from Mexico, raising alarm bells across government

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/politics/migrants-us-southern-border-smuggler-isis-ties/index.html

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