About That 6-Year-Old’s “Acute Disability”…

by James A. Bacon

Kudos to The Washington Post for continuing to dig into the particulars of the shooting by a 6-year-old student of a Newport News elementary school teacher. The latest revelations raise urgent questions about the causes of the breakdown of discipline at Richneck Elementary School and other schools across the commonwealth.

As the Post reports, school officials downplayed repeated warnings about the boy’s behavior, dismissing a threat to light a teacher on fire and watch her die.

Speaking through their attorney, the boy’s parents said that he has an “acute disability.” In one instance, he wrote a note saying that he hated his teacher and wanted to set her on fire. In another, he threw furniture, prompting students to hide beneath their desks. In yet another, he barricaded the doors to a classroom, preventing a teacher and students from leaving.

A six-year-old terrorizing the class. I shudder to think what he’ll be like when he’s ten or twelve.

The main question consuming the media is how the child gained access to a handgun, which his parents stated they store out of reach with a trigger lock. That’s a legitimate question. But there’s another: why was that child in school in the first place?

It is Virginia educational policy to “mainstream” children with disabilities to the greatest extent possible. The hope is that children with disabilities do better when they’re around non-disabled classmates. Maybe so. But forgotten in this formulation is the cost to the classmates of disrupted classes and harrowing experiences. Not to mention the cost to teachers who get shot in the torso.

According to Virginia Department of Education data, more than 5,000 public school students are classified with the disability type of “emotional disturbance.” More than 12,500 are classified with the autism disability, which is sometimes associated with emotional tantrums.

What rights do normal children (those without disabilities) have to not be subjected to tantrums, violence, and classroom disruption?

For the first time ever, established media are beginning to raise questions about the efficacy of the “restorative justice” approach to school discipline over traditional approaches. That’s the good news. The bad news is that discipline is still being framed as a racial-justice issue. In a Saturday article, the Associated Press said this:

Traditional discipline has widened inequities. Black children often are suspended or expelled at rates far higher than white children. Research has found that these discipline disparities can have lifelong consequences for children, such as worsened educational outcomes and higher rates of incarceration.

The racial/ethnic identity of the six-year-old shooter has not been released. But Richneck Elementary has a student body that is 45% Black, 18% Hispanic, 11% multiracial, and 3% Asian. Three quarters are “people of color.” Have “studies” examined the impact of classroom disruption on them? Do they suffer lifelong consequences? Are their educational outcomes worse as a result of disordered classrooms where teachers can’t teach?

I hope that most would agree that the school system should have found alternative arrangements for the six-year-old terror. How about the thousands of other uncontrollable children? They may not shoot their teachers, but they do create mayhem. Do non-disabled students have rights?

While we’re wrestling with those questions, we should be asking another question. What kind of society have we become when we produce enraged, six-year-old shooters?


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144 responses to “About That 6-Year-Old’s “Acute Disability”…”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “More than 12,500 are classified with the autism disability, which is often associated with emotional tantrums.

    What rights do normal children (those without disabilities) have to not be subjected to tantrums, violence, and classroom disruption?”

    Really, JAB, going after autistic kids now…??

    1. Just the autistic students whose uncontrolled outbursts disrupt the education of other students — not because they’re autistic but because they’re disruptive.

      Do other students have rights, or only the disabled?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Just the autistic students whose uncontrolled outbursts disrupt the education of other students…”

        Maybe try removing the word “autistic” from your sentence or are they all you are concerned about…

        1. The article would have been far better without mentioning autistic, in my opinion. It should not have been included in the article.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        “Do other students have rights, or only the disabled?”

        Clearly the disabled students don’t have rights, because they are forced into a classroom that doesn’t fit their needs.

        So in this case both the disabled and non-disabled student suffer as a result of the system in place.

        What would happen at the High School level is this child would dumped into a shop class, if a shop class were still aviable in their school system.

      3. “Just the autistic students whose uncontrolled outbursts disrupt the education of other students — not because they’re autistic but because they’re disruptive.”

        Then you should have said disruptive students and left out the mention of “autistic.” It doesn’t belong because the vast majority are not disruptive.

        The article makes a valid point that is weakened by the mischaracterization of autistic, in my opinion.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      The Charter School for Imperfect Children.

      1. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
        Maria Paluzsay

        Those violently imperfect children are costing our regular imperfect children their educations. I just saw the nirhbor kid out skateboarding (it’s 11 am on a Monday) because he’s home with a broken nose from a fight. I know 2 13-year olds at home on virtual school/suspension for fighting – separate fights, all 3 of these kids in not only different schools but different school systems. My neighbor, a high school history teacher and one of the most passive people I know, just went back to work after a week’s suspension for grabbing a kid’s collar. My daughter says this teacher has never even raised his voice. We need a Charter School for these kids, and we can bring in the Fork Union guys and a handful of retired Marines to run it.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    Folks up the food chain need to be held accountable unless/until their hands were tied by Federal/State laws.

    Something needs to change. I do not have to be convinced.

    And I wonder if this is one of those “rules” that Charter/Choice schools would not have to follow, ergo, this “kid” out on his keister never to return.

    This is a potent issue that will drive support for alternatives to public schools if the schools do not protect students AND teachers and the irony of what they justify for protecting some classes like transgender while at the same time letting this “kid” terrorize others is thick.

  3. M. Purdy Avatar

    I’m surprised that anyone trusts the obviously politically biased, narrative-generating claptrap at the Wapo. They are not to be trusted and do not report facts. I thought all of BR’s readership understood this!

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Ah, but the blind pig and truffle theory applies… when needed.

    2. When WaPo reporting sucks, I call them out on it. When WaPo reporters do a good job, I give them credit. How hard is that to understand?

      1. M. Purdy Avatar

        No, when Wapo reporting gores one of your sacred cows, you claim that they’re a biased organization manufacturing stories. When they do reporting that fits your narrative, you give them kudos.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          correct! And where are his more favored media sources on this? He picks WaPo over the Daily Caller or FOX?

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      oh, the worm WILL turn!

  4. how_it_works Avatar
    how_it_works

    “self contained” classrooms were a thing back about 25 years ago. Has this changed?

  5. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    There are many licensed day schools for students with this kind of behavior. I have visited many of the schools. The VDOE oversees these schools’ licensing. School divisions do not like to use these schools. They will tell you they provide a more restrictive environment. The real reason though is that they cost the school division money. $100 per day times 180 days is $180,000. Some cost less, some cost more. Medicare will pay some of the cost. These schools are speciality schools with full wrap around services, not making mom or dad come to school everyday. My question is why wasn’t placement at a day school considered.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. We have these “schools” in the Fredericksburg area and yes they cost the devil.

      And yes, I also want to hear the reason why this kid was not put in one of those schools.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Because the parents promised to shadow him every, every day. Then didn’t.

      2. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Because the parents promised to shadow him every, every day. Then didn’t.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          The parents were used in lieu of the Special Education teacher, who has indicated a high work load and that her aids missed work for weeks at at time.

          “The teacher also described strained resources at the school. The lead special education teacher was frustrated because she has a high caseload, according to the account. Some aides regularly missed work, including for as long as a week at a time.

          The teacher further alleged in her account that the boy was not receiving the educational services he needed, that it was difficult to get help with him during outbursts and that he was sometimes seen wandering the school unsupervised.”

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/21/richneck-elementary-school-shooting-warnings-downplayed/

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            Seems it was a failure at the school level. The kid needed to be in an out of school educational setting or have a 1:1 aide (not the sp ed teacher’s classroom aide).

            He was required to be accompanied to school by a parent. That shows the school understood the severity of his dysfunction and did not provide the resources needed to deal with it.

            Were there other larger issues like equity involved? Perhaps, but the simple explanation is that the local school either failed to provide needed resources (as indicated by the sp ed teacher) or did not have them to provide.

            Edit: From the Post report it seems the parents were used as the 1:1 aide in school. The immediate failure was to fail to provide a dedicated aide when the parents did not attend. The day of the shooting was reportedly the first day a parent had not accompanied the boy.

            Oops, drop the kid through the cracks and don’t provide a 1:1 aide on the day Mom or Dad didn’t attend and she let him have access to the gun. Wonder what else was going on at home?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I think the parents were just being used as a tool in lieu of the special educator and her staff. It certainly was a school problem and without a doubt this child was failed by the school and the state for being in this setting.

            I’ve taken exception to a good number of comments on this blog about the incident, they seem all too eager to demonize the 6 year old (disabled) who by all accounts doesn’t understand the difference between wrong and right.

            Edit: I agree, the parents obviously failed as well, on many avenues.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar

            From my wife the sp ed teacher, 1:1 in school aides are sometimes used, and those are sometimes parents. Not common but not unheard of. That does not relieve the school from its obligation to provide diagnosed and prescribed services to a very ED kid if a parent is not available in school.

            Your exception has been well taken.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Your wife should be lauded for her profession.

            My father was a shop teacher, so the dumping ground for IEP’s that guidance didn’t know where else to place.

            On top of that I have a disabled Uncle and my cousin was an employee at a State Institution that shuttered.

            People who don’t live in the world of special needs, have zero understanding.

          5. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            “My father was a shop teacher, so the dumping ground for IEP’s that guidance didn’t know where else to place.”

            It’s sad what’s become of vocational education. First you use it as a place to dump students who are failing, and then you get rid of it entirely.

            Meanwhile nobody can fix the broken AC at the Taco Bell. (True story–the AC at the Taco Bell near my house, which is maybe 3 years old, didn’t work for most of last spring and summer).

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            It really is sad, the first things to go with in implementation of NCLB was shop classes and the arts.

            I remember my father having someone who was a 1:1 IEP in a metal shop class, somethings just don’t work.

          7. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I remember that from 1991 to 1994 the course catalog for Prince William County schools listed Electronics I and Electronics II as being offered at Osbourn Park High School.

            Yet the guidance counselors all said that was wrong, the course wasn’t offered at Osbourn Park.

            I’m trying to figure out whether putting the course as being available in the catalog for at least 4 years straight when it wasn’t was just incompetence or maybe it got them some funding from the Feds or the state. (That would be fraud, at best).

            If I’d have known then what I know now, I would have raised the issue with the school board and/or the county supervisor. But I was just a kid back then without much of a clue as to how things work or should work.

          8. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            “My father was a shop teacher, so the dumping ground for IEP’s that guidance didn’t know where else to place.”

            It’s sad what’s become of vocational education. First you use it as a place to dump students who are failing, and then you get rid of it entirely.

            Meanwhile nobody can fix the broken AC at the Taco Bell. (True story–the AC at the Taco Bell near my house, which is maybe 3 years old, didn’t work for most of last spring and summer).

          9. Lefty665 Avatar

            “zero understanding” Unfortunately that often seems to be the case.

            Educating special needs kids can be hard, and usually the more severe the disability the harder and more expensive it is to do.

            That makes it easy to object to the expense, but I’d bet most everyone here believes in equal protection under the law which is what drives sp ed. All kids have the right to an appropriate education.

            Today it seems many of the disruptions we are seeing come from unsocialized kids who do not have severe disabilities. Those are very different problems with very different solutions.

            It is easy to see the disruptive behavior but sometimes harder to understand what causes it. Severely disabled or from an impoverished chaotic home? There are lots of causes, and some of us are just jerks too.

            Those who substitute “equity” for equal protection are another problem. They are at best ill informed and sometimes blatantly woke racists. They are not part of the solution. they are part of the problem.

          10. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I wholeheartedly agree, for what that’s worth.

      3. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        Even without going as far as a separate school, there are or were self-contained classrooms, which might have 5-10 kids per teacher and are intended for students with more serious disabilities.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          those things do exist. I know several retired teachers and that’s what they did.

          1. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I know they existed back when I was in school over 25 years ago, I don’t know if they are still a thing.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar

          You’re down to 1:1 with this kid. He’d have overwhelmed a 5 or 10:1 ratio class (and good luck finding one of them too).

          1. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Sounds like this kid needed an aide and having his parent serve as the aide was shoddy at best.

          2. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
            Maria Paluzsay

            No this kid needed a self contained classroom. He could get the education he needs, and so could the rest of the class.

          3. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            You are correct. I was thinking an aide in a self-contained classroom when I wrote that.

    2. DJRippert Avatar

      “$100 per day times 180 days is $180,000.”

      I love your comments but your math needs work. $100 per day for 180 days would be $18,000 not $180,000.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        Good math! $180k is not unreasonable for a residential school placement for kids so severely disabled that they are not able to be maintained at home any more than they are at public schools.

        The idea is for people with severe disabilities to be served in the “least restrictive environment”, but that has to be appropriate for both the kid with a severe disability and the rest of the school. Those rights, like most, have to be balanced.

        Shooting the teacher is clearly over the line. But, the 1:1 aide (in this case provided by a parent) seems to have been a reasonable accommodation that worked, until the parent failed to show up and the school failed to pick up the function by providing an aide. That, and there is the issue with giving the ED 6 year old access to the loaded gun.

    3. “The real reason though is that they cost the school division money.”

      If that’s the reason, we’ll see how much money they end up saving after the teacher who was shot sues and wins.

  6. If the child’s disability is that he is a budding psychopath it is probably appropriate to find an alternative education program for him.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Should have been in a different setting for sure, however there are larger issues at play. The School Administration disregarded all concerns prior too, as well as not providing the child with the “care” it needed to learn.

      Failures at all levels is how this situation happened.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    From what I read, this is not a problem unique to Virginia.

    What’s not clear is whether there are laws , Fed and State that tie the hands of school officials or if there is an “industry” problem with public education policies that are not forced by laws.

    I don’t think we know all the facts nor the truth yet but I have no problem firing any/all up the food chain if they are found to be complicit and irresponsible in their actions.

    But I won’t buy the “deep state” claim that this is a problem born of liberals and teacher unions and the only solution is to disassemble public schools and go to taxpayer-funded “choice” schools.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      All the way back to PL94-142 in 1975? Was that the federal statute? Then there’s the ol’ Vulcan dilemma, “the needs of the one versus the needs of the many.”

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        His argument appears to be that this is a result of Big Ed, but only Big Ed can fix it.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        If it is the laws at the root of this, then clearly something is amiss and changes are needed. What tore it for me was the fact that it was THIS teacher who reported the behavior issues of THIS child apparently to no avail. Heads should roll unless they can cite law that prevented them from acting , and it better be
        documented.

  8. This discussion has unfortunately descended to the point where over generalizations are clouding the important issues.

    Troubled and disruptive students obviously have a need for education, and school boards cannot ignore legal requirements.

    With that said, there are limits, and those limits appear to have been breached in significant ways without an appropriate response by the school administration. There are degrees of “troubled” and degrees of being “disruptive.”

    The Virginia teacher who was shot by a 6-year-old student repeatedly asked administrators for help with the boy but officials downplayed educators’ warnings about his behavior, including dismissing his threat to light a teacher on fire and watch her die, according to messages from teachers obtained by The Washington Post.

    If true, that’s beyond the pale. Threats of that kind should never be tolerated, and no teacher should be asked to work in such an environment.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/21/richneck-elementary-school-shooting-warnings-downplayed/

  9. This discussion has unfortunately descended to the point where over generalizations are clouding the important issues.

    Troubled and disruptive students obviously have a need for education, and school boards cannot ignore legal requirements.

    With that said, there are limits, and those limits appear to have been breached in significant ways without an appropriate response by the school administration. There are degrees of “troubled” and degrees of being “disruptive.”

    The Virginia teacher who was shot by a 6-year-old student repeatedly asked administrators for help with the boy but officials downplayed educators’ warnings about his behavior, including dismissing his threat to light a teacher on fire and watch her die, according to messages from teachers obtained by The Washington Post.

    If true, that’s beyond the pale. Threats of that kind should never be tolerated, and no teacher should be asked to work in such an environment.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/21/richneck-elementary-school-shooting-warnings-downplayed/

  10. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Virginia policy? Try federal law, with plenty of major enforcement history behind it. My guess is the ongoing debate over the pressure to leave even the most troubled youngsters in classrooms is the issue here, not “restorative justice.” It’s a tough issue, because the child has rights under federal law and massive jurisprudence, and in this instance the parents play a huge role.

    1. VaNavVet Avatar

      First episode of the new series on Fox entitled
      “Accused” dealt with a school shooter with emotional problems. It followed the parents journey through the mental health system, school administration, and law enforcement to the point where the accused father was contemplating killing his son to protect others.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        One of the Law & Order episodes dealt with a 6-7 yr old girl who was a stone-cold killer, a certified psychopath and arguments about what to do with her.

        1. VaNavVet Avatar

          Some of these shows are very timely in the topics that they take on and hence can provide more than merely pure entertainment.

    2. killerhertz Avatar
      killerhertz

      It’s interesting that you value some laws that guarantee “equitable education” or some such nonsense over the life of another.

      The child clearly had a demonstrated incapacity at a young age to function in an average environment that these laws were intended for.

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “The hope is that children with disabilities do better when they’re around non-disabled classmates. Maybe so. But forgotten in this formulation is the cost to the classmates of disrupted classes and harrowing experiences. ”

    Yes, yes. We must keep our snowflakes from the unpleasantness of reality as long as possible. There’s no place for, oh say, a wheelchair in the classroom.

    Elephant trunks and tent flaps.

    Yeah, I know. The saying is camel noses, but we’re dealing with Republican snowflakes here.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      No, Nancy, we’re dealing with a 6 year old murderer who telegraphed his intentions. Clearly. Not a kid in a wheelchair.

    2. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
      Ronnie Chappell

      No one is talking about kids in wheelchairs. We’re talking about kids whose UNCONTOLLABLE BEHAVIOR is so disruptive and sometimes dangerous other kids are afraid and can’t learn.

      And we’re talking about teachers who aren’t trusted to fairly control their own classrooms and whose pleas for help go unanswered.

      Nancy likely believes the wounded teacher is a snowflake.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Not yet. Usually, it’s the special child who needs protection.

    3. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
      Maria Paluzsay

      Again, let’s sacrifice the majority for those classified as “less fortunate”. I have a 10th grader in high school in a neighboring county, in a school system well known for its schools, yet the stories he tells me on a daily basis – and remember this is a 15-year old boy telling his mother, he’s not exactly talkative – make me wish I’d put him in the local Catholic school I hated. This isn’t about kids with wheelchairs, it’s not even about the disruptive autistic kid who diverts a quarter of teaching time away from the other 20 plus kids – time and education each and every one deserves. If you want the best outcome for all, it’s not about preserving snowflakes, it’s about providing an accessible learning environment for all. Your idea of equity is costing my son his right to an education.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Your idea of equity is costing my son his right to an education.”

        A great example of the misuse of the term “equity”. Providing a public school education to the disabled is “equality” under the law, not equity.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          yes, but providing more resources to him so he gets his education is equity.

          no?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The law is that a free public education is provided to all regardless of (among other things) disability. That is equality not equity. If we were to provide a superior public education to the disabled to make up for the systemic discrimination they face in society, that would be equity.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            right. But if a child has a learning disability and he needs more teaching resources than another kid to reach the same level of achievement?

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            No, not the same level of achievement the same basic education. In this case, it is not about equal outcome but access. At least that is my understanding of it.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            not the same level of achievement but the level each is capable of reaching, even if one needs more/additional resources to get to his potential.

          5. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            All that the law in equality requires is the provision of a public education. ESL, ramps for the disabled, reading labs, etc. are equitable measures to even the playing field so all have the opportunity to succeed. Nor may it be said that equity is identical to reparations for past unequal or inequitable treatment.

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I am not a lawyer but to me the goal of IDEA is equality not equity. A free appropriate public education for all being equal treatment under the law.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I am not a lawyer but to me the goal of IDEA is equality not equity. A free appropriate public education for all being equal treatment under the law.

          8. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
            Maria Paluzsay

            Yes, and his “appropriate education” is certainly not in that regular classroom. What about my kids’ appropriate education? It doesn’t count because they only have %)$s, not extreme disabilities?

        2. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
          Maria Paluzsay

          Nancy Naive tends towards posts on equity, not equality. What we’re missing is that the term is free and APPROPRIATE public education in the least restrictive environment as possible. There is nothing appropriate about a general population classroom where a parent must be in attendance, kids get barricaded in, or teachers are threatened with being set on fire.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            There is a big difference between this particular scenario and the more typical “disruptive autistic kid who diverts a quarter of teaching time away from the other 20 plus kids” (hyperbole aside). Providing them a mainstream education is equal treatment, not equity.

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Consider sending your son to Randolph Macon Academy in Front Royal. They have a shuttle run to Haymarket. Day student pick up is at 6:30 drop off is 6:45. Rolling admissions. Second semester starts tomorrow. Awesome school. Great character and academic education.

        1. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
          Maria Paluzsay

          I wish I had. I spent my summers at Woodberry Forest, excellent in every aspect. I’m in Williamsburg, so they would have had to board.

    4. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      No, Nancy, we’re dealing with a 6 year old murderer who telegraphed his intentions. Clearly. Not a kid in a wheelchair.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Yeah, this time.

        1. As the Left always says, “If it saves just one life……”

      2. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        No, Stephen, there was not a homicide to sustain the characterization of “murderer.” Such requires intent, a topic much discussed on BR with respect to the decisions of adolescents regarding gender therapy. Given the present descriptions of this child’s statements, defining his conduct to be intentional is questionable.

      3. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Attempted, there is a distinction between the two acts.

        Again, we are demonizing a child, who by all accounts does not have the faculties to understand their actions.

        Should they be in general education classroom? No, but that is not up to us, that is up to the State and Federal Government.

        1. “Should they be in general education classroom? No, but that is not up to us, that is up to the State and Federal Government.”

          We debate that stuff all the time at BR. Ultimately, it IS up to us through our representatives at the state and federal level.

          And in this situation, I don’t believe the local school was powerless. They could have done more, but did not.

          For starters, when the student was reported to have a firearm. That should have prompted a call to law enforcement to handle the situation. Instead, they were not called until the teacher was shot.

          As stated previously, educators are not trained to deal with firearms. A firearm in a backpack or on his person is not a time for show and tell.

        2. “Should they be in general education classroom? No, but that is not up to us, that is up to the State and Federal Government.”

          We debate that stuff all the time at BR. Ultimately, it IS up to us through our representatives at the state and federal level.

          And in this situation, I don’t believe the local school was powerless. They could have done more, but did not.

          For starters, when the student was reported to have a firearm, that should have prompted a call to law enforcement to handle the situation. Instead, they were not called until the teacher was shot.

          As stated previously, educators are not trained to deal with firearms. A firearm in a backpack or on his person is not a time for show and tell.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Oh without a doubt the Administration failed the teacher, the parents and the students without question.

            My comment was kind of tongue and cheek, as we have a say in who we elect. However, as with most times they don’t follow our wishes once elected and we are too complacent to elect someone else.

            “For starters, when the student was reported to have a firearm, that should have prompted a call to law enforcement to handle the situation.”

            110% correct and the Sheriff said they were not informed at all.

            “As stated previously, educators are not trained to deal with firearms. A firearm in a backpack or on his person is not a time for show and tell.”

            I agree, I’m from a small very rural area. When I was in the 6th grade a 7th grader shot and killed his sister with a 22. he acquired the ammo from friends and it was transferred on school property, because hunting.

        3. killerhertz Avatar
          killerhertz

          What a laugh. Yes… because the state and bureaucracy does what is best as evidenced by the school’s actions. This should be left to the community. “Hey btw we have this boy who is threatening teachers – you might want to pull your kids out of school kthx!”

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            So you just laugh at the notion, we are a Nation of laws.

            “because the state and bureaucracy does what is best as evidenced by the school’s actions. This should be left to the community.”

            I’ll pass on the mob rule you’re advocating for.

            “Hey btw we have this boy who is threatening teachers – you might want to pull your kids out of school kthx!”

            No, we have a child who is disabled not receiving the proper education or setting occurring.

          2. killerhertz Avatar
            killerhertz

            And he is not being properly educated because why? The state that is also somehow the solution? What kind of logic is this?

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “killerhertz 5 minutes ago
            And he is not being properly educated because why? The state that is also somehow the solution? What kind of logic is this?”

            Yet another strawman.

            I don’t think you should be discussing logic, you’re not familiar with it.

          4. killerhertz Avatar
            killerhertz

            I don’t think you know what a strawman is. You literally just suggested that the child was failed by the state so we need the state to fix the problem.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “killerhertz 16 minutes ago
            I don’t think you know what a strawman is. You literally just suggested that the child was failed by the state so we need the state to fix the problem.”

            I very much do know what a strawman is, no what I suggested is the child was failed by the fed, state and parents. Thus your statement is a strawman.

          6. killerhertz Avatar
            killerhertz

            Laws are overrated. Nearly all of our interactions in society are ruled by morality, not laws. You act as if the VA government was abolished we’d all start raping and killing each other.

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “killerhertz 4 minutes ago
            Laws are overrated. Nearly all of our interactions in society are ruled by morality, not laws. You act as if the VA government was abolished we’d all start raping and killing each other.”

            No, laws are not overrated.

            Morality is subjective, so the rest of your comment is false.

            “You act as if the VA government was abolished we’d all start raping and killing each other.”

            If you’re incapable to doing anything but generating a strawman, perhaps you should stop commenting?

          8. killerhertz Avatar
            killerhertz

            Dear Lord you must be a lawyer. Laws are overrated as evidenced by the stupidity of the vast majority of them as well as the interpretations of the vacillating judiciary. The only things that are inviolate are rights that derive from natural law.

          9. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “killerhertz 17 minutes ago
            Dear Lord you must be a lawyer. Laws are overrated as evidenced by the stupidity of the vast majority of them as well as the interpretations of the vacillating judiciary. The only things that are inviolate are rights that derive from natural law.”

            Nope and I don’t play one on TV, just smart enough to know that morality is subjective.

            “The only things that are inviolate are rights that derive from natural law.”

            The Government has no problem trampling rights regardless of where they are derived. Laws keep the Government in check.

          10. killerhertz Avatar
            killerhertz

            “Laws keep the Government in check”.

            *pans to child suffering from heart attack on playground after taking state mandated jab in order to get his state mandated education*

            I can’t laugh anymore my belly hurts please stop.

          11. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “killerhertz 2 minutes ago
            “Laws keep the Government in check”.

            *pans to child suffering from heart attack on playground after taking state mandated jab in order to get his state mandated education*

            I can’t laugh anymore my belly hurts please stop.”

            This has nothing to do with COVID, your deflection to that indicates you’ve got nothing of substance to offer.

    5. I”m pretty sure being shot, or threatened be being burned alive does not qualify as being a snowflake

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Bullying of the special needs child is a daily activity.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          this is true – also.

          we have to do both.

          and this should not be used as an excuse to not protect other kids.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No. It shouldn’t. Nor should one’s myopia be an excuse for just this case.

            Big picture.

        2. Bullying of special needs kids, or anyone else, should not be tolerated. What that has to do with six-year-olds prone to fits of rage, though, is beyond me.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “What that has to do with six-year-olds prone to fits of rage, though, is beyond me.”

            The 6-year old in question is special needs. This continued calling him violent out of context needs to stop.

            Clearly a good number of people commenting here have never dealt with a special needs individual on the spectrum or otherwise.

            Is that an excuse for his behavior, no. However, you can’t judge him like you’d judge a 6 year old not on spectrum.

          2. You are correct that the special needs student should not be judged, but I don’t believe that is the intent.

            What I see are mainly descriptions of disruptive behavior and threats of violence. That’s fair game.

            I did not agree with the characterization of autistic children, and spoke out in another comment.

            And yes, I do have experience with special needs children as does my wife who has worked with them in schools for about 30 years now.

            I think this issue has hit close to home for you and I understand the passion.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I agree with your comment, I think it tends to get lost that special needs kids are often lumped into the disruptive group. They can be disruptive, but unlike their peers that isn’t really their “intent”, they just merely aren’t receiving the education in a manner that benefits them.

            Disruptions and fights are the norm, unfortunately. They are just now more visible with social media.

            I was shocked to hear that we have offshoots of the CRIPS in VA.

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            It’s easy to observe behavior and to describe disruption. It is harder to understand what causes it.

            Severe disabilities are different than lack of socialization as causes. Although they can cause similar disruption they have very different remedies.

            Schools have a tough row to hoe these days and some are doing better than others.

          5. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
            Maria Paluzsay

            So do we know that this kid is diagnosed with ASD? He could have any number of other special needs. I don’t think being on the spectrum is really part of the problem, but we need to decide when mainstreaming is actually a handicap or even a danger to the rest of the classroom/school.

          6. Very little has been made public other than the parents mention of an “acute disability.”

            “Disability” is pretty generic. I doubt we will ever get specific diagnosis.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You don’t think a 6-year old bully doesn’t have rage issues?

            We are indeed talking of degrees, but until someone can determine with certainty which will improve and which won’t there’s really no good answer.

            FWIW, just had a 70-year old shoot up a dancehall. Probably would’ve gotten the right one the first time if not for Alzheimer’s…

        3. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Biggest bully I recall back in middle and high school was an “ED” student. “Emotionally disturbed”.

          It wouldn’t surprise me if that guy was in jail right now. Part of his “emotional disturbance” seemed to be his idea that the rules just didn’t apply to him.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You just described 3/4 of my HS football team.

          2. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            This guy was way worse than any of the football players. There was seriously something wrong upstairs with him.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You just described 1/4 of my HS football team. The difference in 50+ years appears to be the absence of knives and pipes in favor of guns. One of my classmates was hospitalized in a coma having been beaten with a pipe in the hallway from the bus stop.

          4. Sounds like our 3 branches of govt under Biden.

  12. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    There is a solution. Been done before.
    “Freeman began performing lobotomies on people whom few would deem “mentally ill,” including a four-year old child. His most famous child patient was a 12-year old boy whose stepmother disliked him and sent him to Dr. Freeman…”

    Not ancient history either. Hell, if they can rollback Roe,…

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Lobotomies were once fashionable. In 1924, Virginia thought sterilization a solution.

      1. Sterilizations are now back, along with removal of genital organs. Anyone who wants to insert some caution is labeled a hater.

    2. Maybe the Democratic party had it right with ‘separate but equal’

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Certainly Conservatives have never given up on that concept…

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    So the discussion about one-parent “families” has dropped off …..

    ” The family of a 6-year-old boy who shot and wounded his teacher in Virginia said Thursday that the child suffered from “an acute disability” and that one of his parents usually accompanied him in class but did not the week the shooting occurred.”

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      New narrative, Larry!!

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        but religion… this kid would have turned out different if he was taught religion? gone also?

    2. It’s not about the narrative. It’s about the facts. As more facts become available, the discussion takes focus. I made no comment about single parent in this situation.

      I see liberals toned down their discussion about a white supremacist shooter in California now that we know who the shooter is.

  14. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “What kind of society have we become when we produce and arm enraged, six-year-old murderers?”

    Fixed it…

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      Did someone intentionally arm that 6-year-old?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        When we are talking about society’s role, I am beginning to think so…

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          There’s an adult world and there’s a children’s world. Guns do not belong in the children’s world.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You will get no argument from me… but apparently (given that you are telling me this is commonplace on the other thread) society has not gotten the message…

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You will get no argument from me… but apparently (given that you are telling me this is commonplace on the other thread) society has not gotten the message…

          3. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Not so sure it’s society as much as it is irresponsible parents. Or maybe those irresponsible parents are a product of society. That kid should have had no idea his parents even had a gun.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Again, no argument from me there…

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Guns do not belong in the children’s world.”

            I think that can be restated. Gun’s only belong in a child’s world, when they are mature enough and under an adults supervision. If we don’t teach out children to respect firearms and handle them proper, we get what we get.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      2nd comes 1st

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        2nd guarantees the 1st.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          No. It doesn’t. It only guarantees bloodshed.

          Rimming a Margarita with a sugar and cayenne pepper guarantees the 1st.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            YMMV

  15. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “If the Republicans had taken Sandy Hook seriously, this might not have happened.” — Not Alex Jones

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      I guess we need x-ray machines and metal detectors in all of the schools like they have in all the Federal government offices.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        or the courts …….

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          I’ve been to many more Federal government offices than I have courts. Always wondered what security was like back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            physical security? Network security? document security? computer security? 😉

          2. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Physical security, mainly.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            front gate, sticker on car, show badge, subject to pull over and search. Building had turnstiles with
            guard at desk. subject to search. At that time, do not remember metal detector and no rules on cell phones (dunno if that has changed) . In office space, those without clearances could not enter room. In SCIF, usually person at desk checking
            security level , etc..

          4. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            That sounds like DoD. I work with a single non-DoD agency these days. I just show them my badge at the entrance, park in the garage, go through the front door, show them my badge again (which lets me skip the metal detector and x-ray). No rules against cell phones but again it’s non DoD. This agency has two locations, one in College Park and one in DC, and they run a shuttle bus between the two. Parking in College Park is free (in DC is $20 for the day) so I go there and take the shuttle bus to the DC location where my co-worker is. I pretty much only go there when my co-worker needs my assistance for something, otherwise I work remotely. Same rules at both locations, if you have an ID badge, no metal detector or x-ray. Guess they know from the background check I’m harmless!

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I think that’s what they’re contemplating at NNPS

  16. Fair comment made above. In the closing sentence, I called the child a “murderer.” That was wrong. First, the teacher did not die. Second, even if she had died, not all homicides are murders. The child was six years old — he could not possibly have fully understood the consequences of his actions. I really don’t know how the shooting would be classified. Accordingly, I have substituted the word “shooter” for “murderer” and apologize for the mischaracterization.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      re: ” Black children often are suspended or expelled at rates far higher than white children.”

      from what I understand suspended/expelled for the SAME offenses at higher rates.

      ” The racial/ethnic identity of the six-year-old shooter has not been released. But Richneck Elementary has a student body that is 45% Black, 18% Hispanic, 11% multiracial, and 3% Asian. Three quarters are “people of color.” Have “studies” examined the impact of classroom disruption on them? Do they suffer lifelong consequences? Are their educational outcomes worse as a result of disordered classrooms where teachers can’t teach?”

      why is race an issue here?

      We have school shootings all over the country and as far as I can tell, race is not an issue and as I recall most school shooters are white.

      So why the race issue on this one?

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