A Radical Proposal for School Reopening: Let Kids Go to School Full Time

by James A. Bacon

There are no easy answers to the question of how to open up Virginia’s public schools next month during the COVID-19 epidemic. While all the evidence I’ve seen suggests that the risk to school children of contracting and spreading the virus is low, the story is different for teachers, especially older teachers with preexisting conditions who are at elevated risk of hospitalization and death. On the other hand, the cost to school children of another year of sub-par learning is too great to contemplate. If Virginia handles this ineptly, we could produce the most ignorant generation since the introduction of universal K-12 schooling — exacerbating socioeconomic and racial inequity in the process.

The “hybrid” model of two days at school, two days online, recommended by the Northam administration and under serious consideration in most Virginia school districts, strikes me as complicated, unwieldy, confusing and likely to fail.

The worst thing about the hybrid model is that it provides a one-size-fits-all solution for each school district, which fails to take into account the variegated circumstances of students, families, and teachers. I’m thinking out loud here — consider this a thought experiment — but I would suggest a very different approach.

Ditch the hybrid schools. Instead, give parents the choice whether to send their child to school full-time, like normal, or stay home and learn online full-time. No halfway in and halfway out. Likewise, give teachers the choice of whether to teach in-person at school or teach online from home. Freedom to choose — what a concept!

Parents would weigh the pros and cons of school vs. home learning. Does their child have pre-existing conditions that would put him or her at greater risk of succumbing to the virus? Does the household have broadband connectivity? Will there be a parent at home who will see to it that the child is engaged in virtual learning and not goofing off? Does the child need supplemental nutrition available only at school? Who is better equipped to weigh these factors than the parent? Certainly not some district or state functionary driven by one-size-fits-all logic.

Similarly, teachers would undertake their own risk-reward calculation. Do they fear that their health is at risk if they show up at school? Do they have broadband at home? Are they technologically competent enough to teach online?

Under such an approach, a large majority of children would attend school, a minority would choose stay-at-home online learning. A smaller majority of teachers likely will attend school, and a number would teach from home. A majority of students would receive instruction from teachers in a classroom, like normal. Some students would receive instruction at home online. And — the weird part — some students attending school might end up receiving online instruction in their classrooms from teachers at home.

All the evidence I have seen suggests that primary schools present no threat at all for students. Young children do not contract COVID-19 or spread it. Accordingly, primary school teachers are likewise at very low risk. Any school policy that fails to recognize this reality is obtuse beyond words. There is no justification for failing to conduct school business as normal.

The calculus changes in the upper grades as the risk of students’ infection increases from near-zero to negligible in middle school, to merely remote in high school. Fortunately, the older the students, the more they are capable of engaging in online learning, if necessary.

Depending upon the number of students and teachers choosing to learn or teach from home, schools will have to be flexible. Maybe some at-school teachers have to take in more than the normal number of students. Maybe classrooms have to be set up so students can participate in online learning with home-bound teachers. Maybe some home-bound teachers with particular areas of expertise provide online instruction to students from two or three different schools. Here’s a crazy idea: To avoid the practice of widespread social promotion, maybe some classes have to stay in session longer to ensure that students master all the material.

Here’s a seriously radical idea: Maybe each school devises a solution that works best for its particular community of students, parents and teachers. Empower teachers and principals. Most European school systems are prepared to find ways to make at-school learning work. Most American private schools are, too. Surely Virginia’s public schools can do the same.


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47 responses to “A Radical Proposal for School Reopening: Let Kids Go to School Full Time”

  1. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
    vaconsumeradvocate

    How would you make sure teachers don’t feel pressured to be in person to not jeopardize their jobs, even if they have several reasons they are more at risk than others?

    One of the biggest problems I see in the rush to protect employers from liability and force everything open is that the little guy is not protected. The low level worker feels pressure to do as told – to keep a job – even without health insurance. Your proposal seems to put teachers and others who make schools run in the same situation.

    As a teacher, I felt pressured to select online only as my teaching method given what we know, how distancing is affecting classroom and lab capacity; and understanding that in addition to teaching, it will be my responsibility (and liability) to enforce social distancing and mask wearing. Teachers have enough to worry about without making ensuring health and safety for ourselves and our students, especially when taking precautions carries such political weight. University faculty already get dinged for “always being liberal” so imagine enforcing masks in that environment with a staunchly conservative student who is adamant about NOT wearing a mask or distancing!

    This pandemic is so unpredictable and we still don’t know much. We still can’t even readily get dependable, quick, and affordable tests and results. Seems we’ve got to get quick, accurate and affordable testing before we can do something like this. It’s frustrating to see businesses get all the protection and workers to be stuck with all the risk and no reasonable way to protect jobs, health, and future. We need balance, not just protecting some.

    1. sherlockj Avatar
      sherlockj

      If your job in your district requires you to teach kids in person and you don’t wish to do it, resign and find a job that suits you better. Happens all the time in the economy.

      “The low level worker feels pressure to do as told – to keep a job – even without health insurance. Your proposal seems to put teachers and others who make schools run in the same situation.”

      First thing, – reality check – everyone who works for someone else – whether low level or high level – is pressured to do as he or she is told. Second thing, teachers have health insurance.

      “As a teacher, I felt pressured to select online only as my teaching method given what we know, how distancing is affecting classroom and lab capacity; and understanding that in addition to teaching, it will be my responsibility (and liability) to enforce social distancing and mask wearing.”

      OK, select online only as your condition of employment.

      ” a … student who is adamant about NOT wearing a mask or distancing!” is called a student directed to learn online.

      “This pandemic is so unpredictable and we still don’t know much. We still can’t even readily get dependable, quick, and affordable tests and results. Seems we’ve got to get quick, accurate and affordable testing before we can do something like this.”

      Again, OK, refuse to teach kids in person until you feel comfortable.

      “It’s frustrating to see businesses get all the protection and workers to be stuck with all the risk and no reasonable way to protect jobs, health, and future.”

      110,000 American businesses have failed since March with lots more to come.

      You work for the government and have one of the most protected jobs in the nation. If you don’t like the job you have, resign and get another one.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        This from a retired, one-job, federal employee.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          ouch!

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Well, kinda tough to take it seriously. You know, like listening to someone talk about MedicAid expansion who not only has a paid-for Cadillac plan for any circumstances, but also had an entire free medical system, hospitals, clinics, pharmacies, doctors, specialists, etc. devote to his care. Hell, not just a medical system, tax-free booze, gasoline, groceries, housing, K-12 funded at 2.5x that of the best State system, and last but not least, their own justice system in which, for example, rape is underreported, underinvestigated, and underprosecuted so badly that a judge declared that “rape in the military is an ‘occupational hazard’.”

            But I digress.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    “Hybrid” is not a static standard. If you look around, it means different things in different places and it IS designed to be flexible.

    As schools partially re-open – if things go well – they’ll loosen up more gradually.

    It’s not an all or nothing situation and never was except in the minds of the “open up now or else” folks.

    Finally , we are not going to end up with an “ignorant” generation – we get pushed back a year – and learning is a lifetime activity anyhow.

    In some respects we are already an “ignorant” generation given how some are acting these days and even academically – we rank 25 or so compared to other developed countries. We tried to get better with Common Core and all hell broke loose on the right. They did NOT want “tougher” academic standards – and, in fact, a lot of this is about daytime child care for kids – the “concern” about academics is big time crocodile tears.

  3. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    Gotta love the left. They ramble on about their heroic fight for the future of our children and their love of “science”. But when the American Academy of Pediatrics puts forth their expert opinion that reopening schools is worth the risk … children’s futures and “science” are quickly forgotten.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-06-29/pediatric-group-calls-for-children-to-return-to-schools-despite-coronavirus

    Jim makes a variety of good points. The “hybrid” plans are designed to promote social distancing. However, that assumes that the students have to be social distanced from one another. Why? Isn’t the real issue maintaining social distancing for the teachers (from the students and other teachers)? How hard is that to achieve? As Jim’s approach contemplates, some families will need to keep the children home so they don’t become carriers to live-in grandparents, etc. In the same vein, some teachers are at such a high risk that 6 foot buffers are not enough protection against infection. Great – they stay home and teach from home.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Here’s the problem with the AAP guidance.

      They use the word “evidence” all through the document including here:

      ” For example, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that schools “space seating/desks at least 6 feet apart when feasible.” In many school settings, 6 feet between students is not feasible without limiting the number of students. Evidence suggests that spacing as close as 3 feet may approach the benefits of 6 feet of space, particularly if students are wearing face coverings and are asymptomatic. ”

      it does not appear to have a reference for the “evidence”?

      ten instances of the word “evidence” and as far as I can tell, none have footnotes to the reference.

      So where is the 3 foot idea coming from?

      1. sherlockj Avatar
        sherlockj

        American pediatricians and the WHO.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          And where did they, the AAP and WHO, get that… “evidence shows” is presented without a citation.

          “There has been one recent meta-analysis of previously published studies, about the transmission of Covid-19, SARS, and MERS, which found that one meter of social distancing does help reduce the transmission of these closely related viruses. However, major U.S. health authorities don’t seem to have publicly taken up the idea that one meter — or about three feet — is an acceptable social distance for the Covid-19 pandemic. “Nobody’s embracing it,” said Jean E. Chin, chair of the American College Health Association’s Covid-19 Task Force.”
          https://www.chronicle.com/article/How-Closely-Should-Students-Be/249104

          Well, nobody but the fools and wishful thinkers

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          where is “evidence” they are citing?

          You can’t just say “evidence shows” and not cite the source of it.

          Is there actual science behind this?

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2931142-9

            But please be aware that the data uses SARS-Cov1, MERS, and available SARS-COV2 reports. These first two are less transmittable but considering they are respiratory… meh, close enough.

            The key is that it is a statistical analysis without random testing. From the table of data, they assigned distances of 0, 1, or 2 meters given the conditions in each of the reported cases 25,000 in total.

      2. sbostian Avatar
        sbostian

        Yet, we are expected to accept Fauci’s “expert opinions” without the kind of evidence he demands when someone contradicts him. The vociferous proponents of “letting science speak (and rule)” want to pick and choose among scientists and experts. Only scientists and studies which support their fixed opinions are relevant.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The “open up now or else” folks hear what they want to hear and are deaf to what they don’t want to hear.

      And the POTUS is their leader on this type of “listening”.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        It’s hardly surprising that my Republican, aka Conservative, friends are in favor of flinging open the school doors in a pandemic, as they disdain the simple act of wearing of masks.

        These positions can be traced to two intransigent conservative positions, adequately describe by;

        1) The individual’s right to behave recklessly supersedes the public’s right to be free from any endangerment, simply because all rights are only held by the individual, thus there is no such thing as societal rights, and

        2) Most importantly, all actions that have consequences created by God to enforce morality.

        It’s not like they have a sterling record with public health because of this. Sadly, as well educated as many are, when it comes to their thoughts on public health, it’s not hard to picture them like chimpanzees flinging and eating poo and drinking urine straight from the tap.

        Two hundred years ago, Americans and Europeans didn’t wipe their arses, bathing was considered unhealthy (“Water rusts the bones”), fleas and lice were just tiny livestock that kept you warm at night, and bleeding was the solution to bad aires. Cholera, typhus, and dysentery were the big killers on the Westward movement.

        Thank God for Mathew Perry.

        Okay, so what is their record? Oh, where to start? How about Comstock? “Syphilis and gonorrhea were the wages of immorality.” A theme repeated in 1980 by Saint Ronnie about AIDS. Condoms available from the school nurse? No way! Sex education? Sure, abstinence only! How about clean needles and OTC Narcan for addicts? Damn Democrats want these lowlife scum to survive.

        Don’t forget, for thirty years, fluoridated chlorinated water was a communist plot.

        Oh, but that was so long ago. Republicans are so much more aware of public health now.

        2015. Five years ago, and Virginian Republicans introduced legislation to sell unpasteurized milk publicly. Never mind that milk borne pathogens have killed more people than all the pandemics combined, Virginians have a right to those pathogens! “Don’t worry, we’ll clearly label it.” Yeah, with what, a skull and bones? It’s still an ongoing issue.

        But, in their defense, a Republican did invent the toothbrush. We know this. Had it been a Democrat, it would be called a teethbrush.

  4. Terry Carter Avatar
    Terry Carter

    Jim, this has a bit of a federalist flavor. This guy’s been around a long time and quite a good education writer. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/unleash-creative-school-staff-on-our-worst-school-year-ever/2020/07/17/53a44734-c6a7-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html

  5. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    “If Virginia handles this ineptly, we could produce the most ignorant generation since the introduction of universal K-12 schooling…”

    Hey now!! I thought the CONservative argument was that home-schooling produces overwhelming superior results to in-school education. How can you now make the argument that it will lead to the most ignorant generation in the history of public schooling…?! Which is it?

    1. Simple. Home schooling works really well when you have a parent willing to stay at home as a teacher and facilitator. Not every family can afford to have a parent stay at home.

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    First of all, I was struck by Jim’s worry that, if the state handles the opening or closing of schools ineptly, “we could produce the most ignorant generation since the introduction of universal K-12 schooling — exacerbating socioeconomic and racial inequity in the process.” He must have forgotten that Prince Edward County closed its schools completely, no distance learning, nothing, for, not one, but five years. Oh, that’s right, the county did operate “private” schools for white students. Black students were on their own to get an education. Talk about exacerbating racial inequity. I don’t think anything the state does this year will come close to that travesty.

    Second, he seems to think he has a new idea: “each school devises a solution that works best for its particular community of students, parents and teachers.” That is exactly what is happening. Each school board is free to set its own course on how to proceed and they are adopting different plans.

    The idea of a teacher teaching from home a classroom of students in the school is an interesting one. My first reaction was to wonder who was going to keep discipline in the classroom.

    Everybody is holding up the AAP statement as evidence that we can go ahead and open the schools because there is little evidence that kids can spread the coronavirus. That statement was drafted and published before the results of a recent large study in South Korea were released. The conclusion of that study: older kids (10-19) spread the virus at the same rate as adults. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html?searchResultPosition=3

    I agree that the hybrid approach is an invitation to confusion, perhaps chaos. Either open the schools completely, do distance learning only, or give parents a choice of sending their kids to school or having them stay at home for distance learning.

    It is a tough decision for school officials. There are legitimate arguments on both sides. I am glad that I don’t have to make that decision.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      re: ” There are legitimate arguments on both sides”

      I dunno.

      One side is saying “we need to think about what we are doing and do it in a smart way and given what we know right now AND given what we don’t know or what will change – we’re not convinced that fully re-opening right now is 100% safe so we’re taking a hybrid approach (that varies according to school district) and it will evolve as we learn more.

      And the other side is saying: “we ain’t having any of that, open up 100% for in-person right now or we’re going to raise holy hell”.

      I don’t see much flexibility on the “open up now folks” side – it’s like a continuation of the culture war.

      We’ve gone bonkers on this issue – and just remember also – these are the same folks who initially were saying “open up the economy now or else” and ” no way are we wearing masks”.

      These are also some of the same folks who, before COVID19, have vociferously condemned public schools and advocated private schools – until now. And now, instead of advocating for more private schools and other non-public school options – they are hell bent for leather on those terrible liberal “indoctrination” schools opening back up.

      It’s like a herd. Once someone starts a narrative on the right – it spreads to the rest of the herd – and off we go on the next culture war battle.

      One has to wonder what they really want but my suspects are that after this is over -they’ll be right back to attacking the public schools and the teachers… for being “corrupt” leftists and worse.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      “There are legitimate arguments on both sides. ”

      And hair-on-fire hysteria on one.

    3. Fair point. I stand corrected. If we don’t do things right, we could produce the most ignorant generation since segregation.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        not like we spent several generations forcing blacks into “separate but equal” schools either before that.

        This will not be “lost education” – it will be delayed… kids will take a year longer to catch up. Not exactly the end of the world or forever ignorance (except for those that choose).

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        But for some, that’s a goal…

        We’ve talked about this before, 1958-1959. But was it two years or school-speak for 9/58 to 6/59?

        1. sbostian Avatar
          sbostian

          I was an elementary school student in that pandemic. In my community, not one school was closed, and I had perfect attendance both years.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            That wasn’t a pandemic, unless you consider desegregation a disease.

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            There was a vaccine available for the flu. It had a short season. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/lessons-to-be-learned-from-1957-pandemic/

        2. sbostian Avatar
          sbostian

          Nancy,
          Check the CDC website (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1957-1958-pandemic.html) to reference the 1958-1959 influenza pandemic. The mortality rate on a population adjusted basis was nearly twice that of COVID 19. You are mistaken about 1958-1959 not being a pandemic.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            See “Massive Resistance” https://www.virginiahistory.org/collections-and-resources/virginia-history-explorer/civil-rights-movement-virginia/massive

            I had discussed this closure, 1959, with Jim the first time he lit his beard on fire about the closure. I guess I should have been more specific for the benefit of interlopers.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well and also choosing to reference the initial words of the American Academy of Pediatrics even after they had updated it to disavow what some were interpreting it to mean:

            ” By Friday, the AAP apparently had had enough.

            It joined with three other groups — the American Federation of Teachers, the second-largest teachers union in the country; the National Education Association, the largest union in the country; and AASA, the School Superintendents Association — in issuing a statement about the reopening of schools that was clearly aimed at Trump and DeVos.

            The statement said that only health concerns should dictate when schools reopen — not political leaders — and that threatening to withhold funding from districts that don’t fully reopen is “misguided.” It said in part:

            Reopening schools in a way that maximizes safety, learning, and the well-being of children, teachers, and staff will clearly require substantial new investments in our schools and campuses. We call on Congress and the administration to provide the federal resources needed to ensure that inadequate funding does not stand in the way of safely educating and caring for children in our schools. Withholding funding from schools that do not open in person fulltime would be a misguided approach, putting already financially strapped schools in an impossible position that would threaten the health of students and teachers.”

            and more:

            ” Returning to school is important for the healthy development and well-being of children, but we must pursue re-opening in a way that is safe for all students, teachers and staff. Science should drive decision-making on safely reopening schools. Public health agencies must make recommendations based on evidence, not politics. We should leave it to health experts to tell us when the time is best to open up school buildings, and listen to educators and administrators to shape how we do it.
            Local school leaders, public health experts, educators and parents must be at the center of decisions about how and when to reopen schools, taking into account the spread of COVID-19 in their communities and the capacities of school districts to adapt safety protocols to make in-person learning safe and feasible. For instance, schools in areas with high levels of COVID-19 community spread should not be compelled to reopen against the judgment of local experts. A one-size-fits-all approach is not appropriate for return to school decisions.”

            but the “open up now” folks STILL reference the earlier statement instead of this one.

            It’s in explicable that folks whose main premise they say is to “help the poor kids learn” – just ignore the science they don’t like and go on to impugn public schools as an institution because they disagree with their decisions.

      3. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        No doubt Mr. Bacon. Last years 11th graders were cheated of 1/3 of a year. Those same students will be subjected to a sub par 12th grade. 93,000 students are set to matriculate with below standard skills in 2020-21.

        From the VDOE
        School Year 2019-2020 Grade 11 93,716 students
        1,296,822 Total enrollment K-12

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          this from WSJ:

          ” The bottom line
          Yes, a growing number of experts say plans for school reopening should account for growing evidence that older students—largely teens—appear to have a greater risk of both getting and developing symptoms from Covid-19 and transmitting the virus.

          “We need to make sure to differentiate between young and older children,” says Alyssa Bilinski, a doctoral student in health policy at Harvard’s graduate school of arts and sciences, who is working on a study modeling Covid-19 outbreaks in schools. “By the time you reach high school the risk of infection is pretty indistinguishable from young adults.”

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-risk-of-coronavirus-transmission-varies-for-kids-and-teens-11595261592?mod=hp_featst_pos4

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            Folks on this blog seem to be ignoring this growing body of evidence about older kids transmitting the disease. The citation I have provided came from the New York Times. As we know, some people automatically dismiss anything from the NYT as being liberal propaganda. I wonder if they will now similarly dismiss the WSJ.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    First of all, I was struck by Jim’s worry that, if the state handles the opening or closing of schools ineptly, “we could produce the most ignorant generation since the introduction of universal K-12 schooling — exacerbating socioeconomic and racial inequity in the process.” He must have forgotten that Prince Edward County closed its schools completely, no distance learning, nothing, for, not one, but five years. Oh, that’s right, the county did operate “private” schools for white students. Black students were on their own to get an education. Talk about exacerbating racial inequity. I don’t think anything the state does this year will come close to that travesty.

    Second, he seems to think he has a new idea: “each school devises a solution that works best for its particular community of students, parents and teachers.” That is exactly what is happening. Each school board is free to set its own course on how to proceed and they are adopting different plans.

    The idea of a teacher teaching from home a classroom of students in the school is an interesting one. My first reaction was to wonder who was going to keep discipline in the classroom.

    Everybody is holding up the AAP statement as evidence that we can go ahead and open the schools because there is little evidence that kids can spread the coronavirus. That statement was drafted and published before the results of a recent large study in South Korea were released. The conclusion of that study: older kids (10-19) spread the virus at the same rate as adults. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html?searchResultPosition=3

    I agree that the hybrid approach is an invitation to confusion, perhaps chaos. Either open the schools completely, do distance learning only, or give parents a choice of sending their kids to school or having them stay at home for distance learning.

    It is a tough decision for school officials. There are legitimate arguments on both sides. I am glad that I don’t have to make that decision.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      re: ” There are legitimate arguments on both sides”

      I dunno.

      One side is saying “we need to think about what we are doing and do it in a smart way and given what we know right now AND given what we don’t know or what will change – we’re not convinced that fully re-opening right now is 100% safe so we’re taking a hybrid approach (that varies according to school district) and it will evolve as we learn more.

      And the other side is saying: “we ain’t having any of that, open up 100% for in-person right now or we’re going to raise holy hell”.

      I don’t see much flexibility on the “open up now folks” side – it’s like a continuation of the culture war.

      We’ve gone bonkers on this issue – and just remember also – these are the same folks who initially were saying “open up the economy now or else” and ” no way are we wearing masks”.

      These are also some of the same folks who, before COVID19, have vociferously condemned public schools and advocated private schools – until now. And now, instead of advocating for more private schools and other non-public school options – they are hell bent for leather on those terrible liberal “indoctrination” schools opening back up.

      It’s like a herd. Once someone starts a narrative on the right – it spreads to the rest of the herd – and off we go on the next culture war battle.

      One has to wonder what they really want but my suspects are that after this is over -they’ll be right back to attacking the public schools and the teachers… for being “corrupt” leftists and worse.

    2. Fair point. I stand corrected. If we don’t do things right, we could produce the most ignorant generation since segregation.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        No doubt Mr. Bacon. Last years 11th graders were cheated of 1/3 of a year. Those same students will be subjected to a sub par 12th grade. 93,000 students are set to matriculate with below standard skills in 2020-21.

        From the VDOE
        School Year 2019-2020 Grade 11 93,716 students
        1,296,822 Total enrollment K-12

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      “There are legitimate arguments on both sides. ”

      And hair-on-fire hysteria on one.

  8. NorrhsideDude Avatar
    NorrhsideDude

    I have yet to hear anyone on the open up now folks side state everyone would be mandated to return to school. All I have seen had at home components for those with reasons to stay at home.
    To me the we must be 100% certain and only with a vaccine folks are the ones shut down to any other suggestions.
    I saw a new study that said immunity and antibodies may only last a few months…. umm that’s how a vaccine works so one may not be reliable.

  9. NorrhsideDude Avatar
    NorrhsideDude

    I have yet to hear anyone on the open up now folks side state everyone would be mandated to return to school. All I have seen had at home components for those with reasons to stay at home.
    To me the we must be 100% certain and only with a vaccine folks are the ones shut down to any other suggestions.
    I saw a new study that said immunity and antibodies may only last a few months…. umm that’s how a vaccine works so one may not be reliable.

  10. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    What they have vociferously advocated for is that schools open up fully for in-person instruction – no matter what.

    It’s a single-minded thing.

    For the ones who are making that kind of noise, I hear almost none of them say “carefully and we may not be able to do 100% in person”.

    The simple truth is – we simply don’t know all we need to know at this point. It’s going to play out and evolve as time goes by and I do have confidence that the public school folks are going to go forward as more information and knowledge is gained.

    The “open up now” folks don’t seem to care and/or they seem convinced that the risk is overblown and we ought not let that stop us.

    Really odd that they are known as “conservatives”… eh?

  11. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    There is a solution.

    Since we cannot rock the Kerrys off their position that kids are safe from the infection, and should they contract it, they cannot transmit it, then let’s accept that cockamamie premise as true.

    This leaves one problem: the adult staff and faculty.

    Inoculate them. Gather them at their schools with sufficient beds and medical staff to treat them, and dose ’em. In two weeks time, whatever is left will be immune.

    We can then open the schools as usual with full time in-person instruction safely. Bonus: masks optional.

  12. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    The die is cast. Academic year 2020-21 is already lost.

  13. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I continue to be a half-glass full person. When we can’t do all the things we would like to do or have all the things we’d like to have – we prioritize what is most important, and we GO FORWARD. We do this in our lives. We do it with State Budgets and all manner of business and commerce.

    We do change, and we do evolve as we are affected by things we cannot control.

    In the past – we would often call this “The American Way” – “Get er Done”

    https://wsf-inc.org/sites/wsf-inc.org/files/styles/large/public/get-er-done.jpg?itok=gXHiNZmG

    We’ve now turned into a bunch of whiny resentful crybabies… who do destructive things when we cannot get our way.

    Yes, we have adversity, but we also have a lot of folks willing to work their backsides off to try to adapt as best we can. No matter, we still condemn them.

    Our biggest adversary these days is a bunch of naysayers who can’t get all of what they want and so would rather sabotage or stand by and let things fail than work together to change and adapt.

    This goes back to our overall willingness to compromise to find a path forward.

    Nowadays, compromise is unacceptable. Nope. It has to be all or nothing and if we can’t get what we want – we’ll just stir up as much trouble as we can.

    We used to be a “can-do” America. Now look at us.

  14. Let’s see…private schools have smaller classes and “dedicated” staff and parents who will “gladly” (be required) to do extra things like special cleaning of the classrooms and bathrooms. Trust me, I have seen how much extra work parents of students in some private schools are “asked” to do in order to keep their children there. Second, no one has mentioned the problem of pupil transportation. Either throw out any social distancing or practically double the number of buses. A news story this morning about an area school system said that there would be limited bus service on a first come-first serve sign up basis and parents are “encouraged” to drive their children to and from school. “Sorry boss, I’ve got to leave early to pick up my second grader since his class lets out at 3 p.m.” But there is always a simple solution to every human problem…neat, plausible and wrong. Bosun

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      What you say Bosun is entirely true – and many low income/low education parents are not those kinds of parents.

      You talk of smaller class sizes. If you want to educate a large number of economically disadvantaged kids – you’re either going to need BIG schools or a LOT of schools – either way – where is the money for that if it’s not coming from the parents?

      We can and do educate kids of decent income parents. We do not with low income parents.

      That’s pretty simple.

      We seem to lack the desire or motivation to do so – we’re good with excuses but short on doing.

      And point out one more time. Kids who are “behind” or need “help” often get it easily when the parents are rich. Tutors and private schools even places like Fork Union and Hargrave can do the trick.

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