A Mature Dialogue: Mathews Board Discusses War Memorial

by Carol J. Bova

In Mathews County’s November 2021 referendum, 3,782 (80.06%) voted against relocating the Confederate Memorial that has stood next to the Historic Courthouse since 1912. At the April 26, 2022 Board of Supervisors meeting, there was a motion to authorize a survey to delineate the land under the Memorial to be transferred to the United Daughters of the Confederacy and the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

The local paper, the Gloucester Mathews Gazette Journal, mistakenly printed a headline that read, “Mathews board approves ownership transfer of monument.” To their credit, unlike larger papers that don’t acknowledge errors, the Gazette Journal reprinted the edition to say, “Mathews board approves survey of Court Green, intends to convey ownership of land under monument.”

Unfortunately, whether due to lack of time or space, the newspaper omitted the details of a bigger story — the Board’s openness to hearing and responding to the perspective of the African-American community expressed by Supervisor Melissa Mason, as well as their intent to offer a second plot of land for an African American memorial.

Before acting on a motion to authorize the survey, Chairman Paul Hudgins suggested that while they were “doing the deeding” of the piece of land that’s under the monument, that the Board also should consider another spot on the Courthouse Green, if Supervisor Melissa Mason could find a group interested in putting up an African-American monument or memorial as he had discussed with her.

Mathews Supervisor Melissa Mason

Supervisor Mason replied: “My opinion has been, and I think I’ve shared this previously, that some form of statue, recognition, should be given to African Americans of Mathews County. … We need to be able to have the open conversation and have it collaboratively about the issues regarding about [the Confederate memorial]. Is it history? Is it showing being in favor of support of slavery that is contentious to African Americans in the community [by] those who support the Confederate actions? I’m not going to open up a whole can of worms on that. Because to be honest, we all have our own different perspectives on that. In the same regard, [we] hear people when they say it’s a war memorial in support of those that fought in the war. I get that. I get honoring those that passed.”

Mason continued, “In all honesty, people’s feelings get hurt when they see the war memorial that some of you are saying is in honor of those that gave up their lives in the war, and I respect that. My father served in a world war, so I give honor to them, but people do have feelings about the fact that you’re not putting out wreaths, but you’re constantly putting up Confederate flags around the memorial, and let’s just address the pink elephant in the room. It’s hurtful to some people. Let’s be honest about that. Even though you’re saying that it’s a part of history. Look, I love history… like to see all sides of it. I said at the beginning of the year, we have to find some way to be able to collaboratively understand culturally and historically what is hurtful to others. And I hope for the ones that are in here, hear me and go back and share with everyone else. I want to see that if you have the war memorial that honors those that gave up their lives, yes, but also honor those persons of color, my ancestors, that also contributed to Mathews County.”

“I would like to see that we have a meeting of the minds and learn. At some point, you have to learn something, instead of being, as I say, rar, rar, rar, rar, rar, rar. That’s old and it’s tired, and at some point Mathews County should be the example to other people instead of being the go-along with other people and their ideas. Does everyone understand what I’m trying to say? Even if you’re on the other side and if you’re shaking your head and saying no, that’s your prerogative too, but understand that your opinion does not make up for the entire county, because the entire county may not look like you nor have the same background as you, but you don’t want to be the county that everyone comes to, and some people that I know come here and say, I’m offended, not only for you, but I’m offended for myself. Understand what I’m saying? I’ve had this conversation at our strategic planning meetings, so let’s not make that about that.”

“But, we have to do this in some type of smart, get-along way. And if you’re talking about if you serve God, God is not a God of hate or confusion. So, yes, I do want to have something. … But I felt that needed to be said because we skirt around the conversation, and it needs to be said—that it’s not an issue about the war memorial being a war memorial, but it’s about also the persona of what history has done to some of the representations with that and with the decorations …”

Mathews Board Chairman Paul Hudgins

Chairman Paul Hudgins said to Mason, “I just wanted for the public to know that we would like to do this as two pieces being given at the same time. And whatever type of monument/memorial, however you address that, that’s entirely up to you and whatever organization or group that can come up with one.”

Mason responded, “No, I think that it’s something important that when I talk about collaborating on the other side, it’s collaboration on two sides. It’s done as a whole. Yes, it’s doing a representation of another culture, but it’s still to be done as a whole. We need to change our mindset in the way that we think. It’s not a ‘you’ or a ‘them.’ It’s ‘we.’ It’s ‘us.’ It’s not an easy conversation to have, but we have it. Each one of us has had it individually.”

Supervisor David Jones said, “I want to make this statement. I can’t and never will ever be for enslaving another human being under any circumstances. I do agree that the culture set at the time was totally different. I didn’t live in that culture, and I’m hoping that I’m better for the things that I’ve learned from that, but at the end of the day, when I served in the military, and all the veterans will know, never cared about the color or origin where the person came from that you were serving with—ever, and I’m about preserving history, irregardless of the circumstances. We cannot erase what’s already happened, but to me, I can’t ever look at it as anything more than a war memorial. It is a memorial to the dead, the way I perceive it, and that means for anybody that died in that situation that served in the Confederacy.”

After a few more comments by Chairman Hudgins, Supervisor Mason said, “I would like to make a motion to do a survey at the courthouse square to delineate the property to be conveyed [for the Confederate Memorial] and to delineate another spot that would give homage to African American veterans of Mathews County.

The motion was unanimously approved.


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27 responses to “A Mature Dialogue: Mathews Board Discusses War Memorial”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Thanks, Carol. It seems that progress is being made by both sides to understand the perspectives of the other.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, each has spoken their words to the other. Progress will be made when one side says, “You’ve a valid point.” A solution will be found when someone says, “Then, we all agree.”

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “I want to make this statement. I can’t and never will ever be for enslaving another human being under any circumstances.”

        Progress…??🤷‍♂️

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Well. Any that he’s willing to speak of… barefoot, raped, and preggers.

          1. CJBova Avatar

            Snark is one thing. This fails even your low standards.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Setting the bar low and failing to achieve. Limbo!

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “…but you’re constantly putting up Confederate flags around the memorial…”

    It is a memorial honoring the Confederacy and all that it stood for not just soldiers who died in it. Some people are still fighting that war…

    1. Donald Smith Avatar
      Donald Smith

      “It is a memorial honoring the Confederacy and all that it stood for not just soldiers who died in it.”

      Who are YOU to say that THIS memorial honors only the Confederacy, and not the men from the community who went off to war?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        The use of Confederate flags demonstrates how it is being perceived in the community…. you inserted the word ONLY, I said not JUST the soldiers… keep your words out of my mouth, please…

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, you could ZOOM in on the picture and read “Our Confederate Soldiers”, all of ’em, not just the good ‘uns.

      3. Michael Williams Avatar
        Michael Williams

        He’s right. It’s sole purpose I to honor the Confederate dead of Mathews.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Now, to be fair, every other flag is a Confederate flag, so in their widdle heads they are honoring both the Union AND slavery.

      Edit. The little flags at the bottom are tended often. When last I saw it, there were a lot with the CSA battle mixed with US.

      Sometimes they use both your CSA flags…
      https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipPg3St_MCyjVzd3RsTxSPNBsNp7D_Da4S5RTl7x=s1600-w400

  3. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    Now THAT’s how you do it. A similar effort occurred in Dalton, GA, with a statue to Confederate General Joseph E. Johnston. The community decided to move the statue to a less prominent place in town—and some of the folks that campaigned to move the statue THEN helped raise money to pay the cost to move it. No one tried to damage the statue, or pull it down, or wrote “ACAB” on it.

  4. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Keep in mind that the purpose of MSM reporting is not to provide readers with the facts and perspectives of all sides, but rather, to make a point — the reporter and/or the media outlet’s point. So, don’t assume that such point is to describe everyone’s good faith attempt to find some areas of common ground.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      From what I know of the Gloucester Mathews Gazette Journal, it’s not your stereotypical “MSM”. It’s “local” and the reporters are members of that community.

      And as is true of most papers and reporters, sometimes, mistakes are made but it’s not purposeful bias or evil distortion, etc.

      it has a long history: https://www.gazettejournal.net/about-us/

  5. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    The Mathews monument is 24 feet high. Granite with a marble front. Soldier at parade rest at the top. Battle flag relief. Crossed swords. Crossed cannon barrels. It says “In memory of the Confederate Soldiers and Sailors of Mathews County, Va. It was unveiled in September of 1912. Colonel Robert E. Lee, Marse Robert’s grandson was the speaker. They said it was eloquent. The monument was erected by the Lane Diggs Chapter of Confederate Veterans. Only living Confederate Veterans could be in this club. Assisted by the Sally Tompkins chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Only daughters of veterans could be in this club.

    1. Michael Williams Avatar
      Michael Williams

      Who is that in your profile picture? Is he an ancestor?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        That is Lt. Whitehead. Co. I 53rd VA Infantry. He is the first. I am the 5th!

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    On one side of the monument it says, “To the Soldiers and Sailors of Mathews, Va.”
    On the adjacent side it says, “1861-1865” and “Our Confederate Soldiers”.

    So here’s how to solve the issue.

    Knock the soldier off the top and replace him with a ball or point.
    Grind off the “Our Confederate Soldiers”
    And…
    You have a Civil War monument, not a monument to the Confederacy.

    Dang, in fact, use the other three sides to inscribe the years 1941-1945, 1917-1920, 1776-1781, 1950-1952, … scratch that. That monument ain’t big enough to list all the wars.

    1. CJBova Avatar

      There is a Fort Cricket Hill Revolutionary War monument and a WWI cannon in the historic square. A Veteran’s Memorial stands at the new Courthouse to honor the memory of the men from Mathews County who died in WWI, WWII, South Korea and South Vietnam. “Remember we died to keep you and others free.”

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Remember we died to keep you and others free.”

        Maybe they just need to add to this monument “Remember we died to keep you and others enslaved.”. That might add some proper context…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Or, add “just not all others.”

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        That’s impressive. The square is not that much bigger than the monument. The buildings need some restorative work, but they’re really old and small.

        1. CJBova Avatar

          Mathews County Courthouse Square is a collection of 18th, 19th and 20th -century buildings reflecting the growth of the county since 1790, when the county was set off from Gloucester County. The 1792-95 courthouse is still used for meetings; the one-cell jail is now a furnace room; the 1859 clerk’s office is now the building official’s office, the 1930 library is now the school board office, and the 1950’s admin building is still in use.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Now, spend a little to fix the “city dock”. 😉
            The East River is a nice little cruising destination. Bit of a long dingy ride up the ditch, but there’s restaurants, grocery, and gas within a block.

    2. CJBova Avatar

      There is a Fort Cricket Hill Revolutionary War monument and a WWI cannon in the historic square. A Veteran’s Memorial stands at the new Courthouse to honor the memory of the men from Mathews County who died in WWI, WWII, South Korea and South Vietnam. “Remember we died to keep you and others free.”

  7. CJBova Avatar

    Note: Jim Bacon posted a photo of a different David Jones. We’ll have to wait until he gets back to get it corrected. the entire Board is shown here.

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