The following post has been extracted with permission from the book, An Inconvenient Minority: The Attack on Asian American Excellence and the Fight for Meritocracy.by Kenny Xu

There were just too many Asians.

Thomas Jefferson High School for Mathematics and Science in Arlington, Virginia, is widely considered the best high school for math and science in the region. It is the number one ranked high school by the U.S. News and World Report in the entire nation.

“That place is so difficult and so rigorous, that you’re just beaten,” said Asra Nomani, the Indian American mother of a Thomas Jefferson student. “You don’t even know if you’re going to make it, like as a family, because your child is slogging so much. And I have issues with that because they almost crush the passion of math and science out of you because they are just so rigorous, so hard. …”

Before 2020, admissions to Thomas Jefferson involved a standardized test, along with grades, teachers’ recommendations, and course rigor. It is all standard fare that anyone would know. For a long time, admissions to TJ were mostly white. As late as 2002, Thomas Jefferson was 70 percent white, 25 percent Asian, and 5 percent Black or Latino.

But starting in the 2000s, the composition of the class of Thomas Jefferson changed. It got more Asian. Way more Asian. The reasoning for this change was pretty simple: Asian immigrants started pouring into Northern Virginia in the ’90s. They got married and had kids. In the new millennium, those kids were reaching high school age. And they were studying to go to TJ.

In 2020, Thomas Jefferson accepted 486 students from a pool of 2,539 applicants. Seventy-three percent of those admitted were Asians.

It’s not as if Fairfax County Public Schools was failing its students in terms of classroom rigor. In 2013, FCPS required all eighth-grade students to take Algebra I, the culmination of teacher and individual school-led efforts to boost the region’s proficiency in math. Surging ahead of this requirement, more schools and parents moved to have their kids take Algebra I in seventh grade—and some even in sixth. The standards at FCPS, at least in math, have increased for all students over the past twenty years.

But even with the increased standards, Asian kids still were doing better at math. There was no real secret to it: The Asian American parents moving into the area were simply investing more in their kids’ math education from an early age.

“Parents want their kids to be moving along at the pace that they can handle,” Asra said about her own community. “[My son] ended up ready to take Algebra I in seventh grade.” Asra had enrolled her son in gifted math in elementary school. And she made sure to keep him on track—she even homeschooled him for a year so he could get the enrichment he needed. You can call Asra what you want—overly ambitious, authoritarian, not a “well-rounded” parent. But the bottom line was that her son was excellent at math, and so were many other Asian American sons and daughters in Fairfax County. As Asian Americans continued to move into the district, they increased their advantage for spots at the math- and-science-focused Thomas Jefferson High School admissions.

Fairfax County had long yearned for more minorities to fill TJ’s spots—just not these minorities. For thirty years, Fairfax County’s entrenched school board had been hankering for more Black and Hispanic kids in TJ’s programs. They tried everything to get them in: Enrollment outreach programs. No effect. “Holistic admissions.” No effect. Fairfax County even tried admitting more low-income students into the “TJ pipeline” of middle-school gifted and talented programs, drastically increasing the number of Black and Hispanic students in these middle-school gifted programs from 3 percent to 15 percent of all students in those demographics. That had the opposite effect—watering down the rigor of the nongifted middle school Honors courses caused the number of schools who sent fewer than ten students to TJ to increase from ten to eighteen. And all the while, Asian American students continued to dominate admissions to TJ. The school board was livid. How could they accomplish their diversity goals if these Asian immigrants and their children kept taking all the good spots?

Then, George Floyd was killed.

Across the nation, “wokeness” became a household concept, and a national conversation erupted over the role of systemic racism in every part of American life. And you can bet education was not left undiscussed.

In the wake of the country’s racial reckoning and shortly before the school year began, the Democratic Party blog BlueVirginia wrote, “ZERO African-Americans were accepted into TJ” in 2020. Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson wrote an article highlighting the issue, and it became a local sensation. (The claim itself is untrue—attributable to a publishing error in the original statistics. Although the number of Black students accepted was low, it was not zero —it was six.)

The newly woke Fairfax County School Board galvanized over the article. In August of 2020, they invited author Ibram X. Kendi to speak to the entire staff. Ibram X. Kendi is mostly known for his bestselling book. “How to Be an Antiracist,” where he famously argues: “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” They paid Kendi $20,000 to speak and bought $24,000 worth of his books. The only requirements for Kendi’s speech were that it be “confidential” and “exclusive,” so no one else could see what was discussed.

Kendi spoke in vague generalities, decrying “systemic racism” and stating that “we need to create a system where no one’s money will give them more opportunities.” But he didn’t need to be coy; with one look at his book, thousands of which were bought by Fairfax County Schools, anyone can parse how he feels about the education system and how he would characterize the TJ admissions process that leaned heavily on the standardized test:

“The use of standardized tests to measure aptitude and intelligence is one of the most effective racist policies ever devised to degrade Black minds and legally exclude Black bodies.”

With Kendi functioning as their woke cheerleader, Fairfax County decided to overhaul their entire admissions process, to force more Black and Hispanic kids to come to TJ. “I believe our country—in the middle of the pandemic and after the murder of George Floyd—has reached a moment where we have to with a fresh perspective to relook at equity in everything we do. We’ve had an over 25-year conversation about [improving] TJ admissions,” FCPS Superintendent Scott Brabrand said in a town hall about TJ’s admissions process. “I do believe it’s time to do something other than the status quo.”

So the school board put forth the most drastic admissions policy they had ever done in the history of Thomas Jefferson High School: They created an admissions lottery. Yes. A lottery. For admittance to the number one high school in the nation.

Under the new lottery, “merit” admissions would be reduced to 100 of the 480 spots. The rest would go to any students scoring above a 3.5 GPA and with the required courses, by the luck of the draw. The proposal was drawn up to “increase diversity” and to allow TJ to “reflect the diversity, equity, and inclusiveness that is core to the mission and values of Fairfax County Public Schools,” said Superintendent Brabrand.

At least, that’s one way of seeing it.

The issue of opportunity in Fairfax County is not that the admissions process for Thomas Jefferson, a single public school, is racist against Black and Hispanic students. In fact, one analysis by a George Mason University law professor showed that admissions officers accepted 90 percent of Black students who made it to the second round of the application process, while accepting less than 50 percent of white students who made it to the second round, suggesting evidence that the bias might in fact be in their favor. The issue is that the number of Black students who made it to the semifinalist round of the application process in the first place was so low. Remember, the semifinalist round is the minimum standard for admissions—it signals you have the requisite merit to even play the game. In 2008, 507 white students made it to this semifinalist round. The number of Black students? Thirty-seven.

The problems of too few Black and Hispanic students in even the semifinalist rounds of admissions are problems of the entire condition of low-income Black and Hispanic education, problems that cannot be fixed or solved with racial quotas at one school—that can only be masked, not solved, with the artificial propping or boosting of certain races’ admittance into the school at the expense of people who are more qualified. Rather, solving these problems requires addressing them at every level of education—not putting promising but underqualified Black and Hispanic students through the meat grinder that is Thomas Jefferson High School for Mathematics and Science.

But the chattering class governing the county did not want to hear this logic. They would rather believe that everyone would be equally meritorious and pretend that one can artificially increase racial diversity with no negative consequences.

The counterproposal—the antiracist proposal—to TJ’s test and grade-based admissions was implemented in October 2020, calling for a “merit” lottery of admissions where anyone who crossed a minimum threshold would get an equal chance for admissions to the most excellent high school in America.

The issue is that the board of education gets to decide the “minimum threshold.” They decided initially that the lottery was going to be open to anyone with a minimum 3.5 GPA. The school board’s own analysis for this merit lottery predicted an upsurge in Black, Latino, and white admitted candidates. The Asian population, on the other hand, would drop by a projected 27 percent. A parents’ coalition analyzed the data and found a steeper drop: 55 percent for Asian students. In contrast, the white population would shoot up to 45 percent of the total student body. And the Black and Hispanic representation would both remain in the single digits.

* * * * *

What if restructuring TJ admissions wasn’t just about increasing Black and Hispanic admissions? What if something more sinister was going on?

A 2013 study of white Californians found that when white people were told about Asian American success on standardized tests, their support for standardized tests fell significantly. An ominous possibility emerges: The school board’s radical transformation of the admissions process, publicly justified in the name of racial representation and antiracism, was latently a sort of envious clapback from wealthy, elite parents against the Asian American takeover of their schools.

Consider, for example, a favorite term of today’s liberal elites: diversity. “When it comes to ethnicity statistics, it becomes blatant that there is no such concept of diversity at Jefferson,” wrote high schooler Sonja Kachan about TJ admissions. “As stated before, Asians make up close to 68 percent of the student body, followed by Caucasians making it 21 percent.” To these students at TJ, fed diversity ideology from their diaper-wearing days, Asian identity is not diverse. Why? Because there are just too many of them.

In the messaging of woke students and the woke school boards propping up their ideas, the writing on the wall is clear: Asian students can be sacrificed—but that’s okay, in the name of diversity. Mind you, it did not matter that these Asian students put hundreds of hours of work into their academic careers, sacrificing a social life to give themselves the best shot to enter a school known for its brutal work hours. That depth and breadth of dedicated effort was to be lapped up and framed as “test prep,” or “privilege.” Virginia education secretary Atif Qarni called preparation for the TJ admissions exam the equivalent of “performance-enhancing drugs.” Studying for the test was comparable to sticking steroids into your body the day of a wrestling meet. Never mind actually cheating, a real epidemic across the nation’s high achieving public schools. Extra-curricular work and simply studying for tests was labeled in those same denigrating terms.

How did we get to the point where it’s morally okay, even encouraged, to justify halving the Asian American population at a popular gifted school, labelling them cheaters and test-preppers? Would this at all fly if “Asian American” were replaced with “African American”?

Such a question gets at the heart of this battle over Thomas Jefferson High School in Fairfax County, Virginia. Who are the people considered “minorities” in the Left’s America? Who will get privileges doled out to them in a woke world? What does “diversity” really mean if Asian Americans are not included?

Or does anyone question the most fundamental consequence of it all—the fact that a “merit lottery” will inevitably result in a drastic decline in overall school performance? The simple mathematical facts beget this utterly logical conclusion: If before you selected the most meritorious in rank order and now will select from a lottery of students above a lower cutoff point, you sacrifice one immediate, clear principle that powerfully distorts the overall excellence and reputation of your school, your community, and your world.

That principle is meritocracy.

A second-generation Chinese-American, Kenny Xu lives in Northern Virginia. He is president and primary spokesman for Color Us United, a nonprofit organization countering claims that America is a hateful country.


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87 responses to “A Broken Meritocracy”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    One thing that really stands out at TJ is the percentage of low-income who attend – about 2% – all demographics including Asian.

    What does this tell us (or not) ?

    Is it really true that low income kids can’t really compete on academic merit?

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Probably.
      Hate to be factual with you there Larry.
      But lower income could be highly correlated with less education and less education with less IQ/ academic ability and then what genetic gifts you inherit. So the 2% could be a totally accurate reflection of a totally fair process.
      Also, it is likely the parents, if you even have two parent influence, don’t put as much attention and intention into schoolwork.

      1. Peter Galuszka Avatar
        Peter Galuszka

        Hitler would agree.

        1. Matt Hurt Avatar

          So would the great Virginian and eugenicist Woodrow Wilson.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            I KNOW you have an opinion on this… care to share?

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Yes sir. As far as the TJ enrollment problem goes, they’re shutting the barn door after the mule has been long gone. If you look at their data, the black and brown kids significantly underperform the white and Asian kids in reading and math as they progress from grade to grade. If they can’t make sure these kids have mastered the basic literacy and numeracy skills, how in the world can they compete at TJ? It’s kind of like this- if the kid can’t make the peanut league team, how can they be competitive in the NFL?

            If they wish to really address this problem and maintain the meritocracy, they have to begin working to eliminate the achievement gaps at the lowest grade levels. The PALs and SOL data are likely leading indicators and the TJ enrollment is a lagging indicator.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Would this type problem also exist in District 7 kids? Are there numbers of District 7 kids that would qualify for TJ also ?

          4. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Unfortunately, Region VII is not affluent enough to have such a program. If we did, I’m sure that some disparities would exist, but I suppose not as severe when I look at the disparities in SOL outcomes.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            I thought ya’ll had some magnet schools in Region VII, no?

          6. Matt Hurt Avatar

            No sir, unfortunately we can only barely afford to fund our general education program.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            so your kids that ARE capable of more really don’t have equitable access to higher level resources so they can achieve higher?

            Maybe that’s an area of “equity” you were referring to…

            As someone who is actually involved in Public Education, you are an important resource to BR. Please keep informing and “educating”….us heathens…

          8. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Yes sir.

        2. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          And so I win. Peter had to bring in Hitler as an educated and dignified response.
          If you note the initial response – probably.
          There are a great number of factors in any person’s station in life. Some privileged people, born to wealth and all the advantages, blow up their lives. Some with opposite starting points climb to the top.
          Sometimes bad things happen without any blame to cast. Oftentimes, they do.
          So, to answer Larry’s question, and to frame it in a positive format – Is it really true that only 2% of low income students can qualify for TJ?
          Probably.
          I’m sorry reality hurts your feelings.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Some privileged people, born to wealth and all the advantages, blow up their lives. Some with opposite starting points climb to the top.”

            If this were on average the same proportion from each group, we would not be concerned with inequity. It is not and you have highlighted the issue very well in your series of comments. Your “so what” attitude only serves to emphasize the underlying injustice.

          2. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            And now your racist/sexist/groupthink biases show…
            “If this were on average the same proportion from each group,”

            People are not groups. People are individuals. Someone from low income/disadvantaged circumstances can succeed… I think Walter Williams talks of his youth and “disadvantaged” start.
            Behavior matters.
            I can point to an extended family (mine) and a huge range of outcomes. How did that happen? Was it systemic racism keeping the upper middle class whiteys down? Or was it, to the far greater extent, a result of personal decisions?

            In the real world, different people are different (this also applies to the great Covid stupidity). Tom Brady was not the most gifted QB athletically coming out of college. What happened?

            I have a friend who graduated from UVA with a c+ average. He worked on a political campaign, then went to law school in DC and was a bartender. Somehow he became an investment banker and at one time headed an extremely large federal agency.
            What happened?
            He realized, while he was paying his own money for law school, that he was being dishonest with himself and wasting his money and began to put forth effort. Funny how that “happens”…

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Anecdotal evidence is not relevant when discussing outliers in a statistically significant population. So, yes, individual differences do matter at the individual level but not in the general population.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            doesn’t hurt feelings. Hurts reality and logic. Aren’t some of those kids getting 3.5 GPAs?

            But I’m asking again if you are saying that kids in low income circumstances have lower IQs and simple are not able to advance no matter what kind of opportunity and help?

        3. LarrytheG Avatar

          Oh and what-his-name – Charles Murray, and wannabes….

          so, if your parents are poorly educated and poor, then you are too dumb for TJ. Ipso facto! You’re screwed… no matter how hard you try!

        4. Matt Adams Avatar

          Are we playing the Godwin’s Law drinking game this early?

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        so you really think economically disadvantaged kids have LOWER IQs and academic ability? Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, whites?

        And that’s the primary reason TJ has only 2% low-income enrollment?

        You don’t think if those kids were provided with one-on-one tutors, they could do as well as other kids provided with tutors?

        So, bottom line, you’re okay with the 2% thing at TJ? No steps needed to address inequity?

        I’ll give you this – you are honest about it.

        The question is are you right and will others who share your view, weigh in and defend your view?

        1. tmtfairfax Avatar

          So why shouldn’t we do the same for high school sports? If kids who are cut would have one-on-one coaching, they could do as well as other kids with more natural ability.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            No. There IS such a thing of achieving your potential – which is different for different kids both in sports and academics.

            For instance, we provide resource to kids with learning disabilities of which I believe you had a son with that difficulty. Do you think the schools should do that? i.e. help kids with disabilities and disadvantages reach their potential?

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well, to use your example, a kid with great natural ability is more likely to get ahead in HS sports because their parents can afford a one-on-one coach versus a kid with great natural ability who does not have that coaching… thus inequity may actually impact them as they go through life as the child with one-on-one coaching is more likely to receive college scholarships at elite schools versus the one who does not… all because Mom and Dad were already ahead in the game and had the money to invest in their kid’s talents.

          3. tmtfairfax Avatar

            That doesn’t make any sense. There is no correlation between a kid having athletic ability and the kid’s parent’s having money for lessons. But the point remains, our schools don’t provide more coaching to kids with lesser athletic ability to levelize the field. We are very comfortable when kids with greater athletic ability make the team and others with less ability don’t. Yet, some cannot accept the same principle for acing physics.

            There are no facts that suggest everyone can excel in physics equally than there is to suggest everyone can excel in gymnastics equally. Yet, the woke proclaim the first is true.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “That doesn’t make any sense. There is no correlation between a kid having athletic ability and the kid’s parent’s having money for lessons.”

            Once corrected for variations in talent, I’ll bet there is.

            Edit: Actually, there doesn’t even need to be any correction done.

            https://feed.georgetown.edu/access-affordability/what-impacts-a-students-odds-of-becoming-a-college-athlete/

            ‘They found that, among students who were varsity athletes in their senior year of high school, 23 percent from the most well-off households went on to become college athletes, compared to 9 percent from the lowest-income families.

            “A privileged background helps students succeed in sports just as it does in other parts of life,” James Tompsett, a co-author of the study, told Ohio State News. “The idea of sports as a true meritocracy where the best athletes on the field will succeed is largely a myth,” he added.’

            “But the point remains, our schools don’t provide more coaching to kids with lesser athletic ability to levelize the field.”

            I was using your example to illustrate a point, However, they likely don’t because it is the very small minority of kids that see a real benefit in life from athletic success. The same can not be said for academic success.

          5. Cathis398 Avatar

            to say nothing of the fact that as a society, we don’t typically ask that everyone be a successful athlete, whereas we do ask that everyone be academically successful in K12 education. It’s an apples and oranges comparison. Being a successful HS athlete is great, but it’s not necessary to earning a living, whereas getting a good education is. So we don’t allocate resources to ensuring that everyone gets athletic training to make them competitive, whereas we do for academic education

        2. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          When did you learn how to lack reading comprehension?
          I pointed out all sorts of factors addressing academic performance.
          How do all the first generation “Asians” overcome their deficits to dominate the admissions at TJ?
          In the real world, there is a thing called the bell curve. If you go two standard deviations to the left and the right of the mean, you capture 95% of all the people in that group.
          How does a world class athlete become a world class athlete? No, the primary explanation here is likely that the “Asians” work their butts off, and if the “low income” households put in that effort, maybe that would raise the percentages. And that is simply an inconvenient truth…

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Reading comprehension is ONE of YOUR problems not mine.

            You’re handwaving away things that matter by pretending there are way more kids in that bell curve according to income that is true or real.

            No, the Asians also only have 2% of low income in TJ. So, the ones that do get there DO get a lot of boot camp and tutoring from parents who can afford those things while kids whose parents cannot afford do not get the same.

            Are you saying the low-income Asians are also “lazy” and the higher income Asians work harder also?

          2. Cathis398 Avatar

            & let’s not forget that “Asian-American” is a really weird category, because it includes folks whose families come from countries like Japan, Korea, and high-caste India that are, in global terms, quite well-off financially, as well as from countries like Vietnam, Cambodia and others that are quite economically disenfranchised. By aggregating these countries at a high level it means we don’t get to notice that people from wealthy backgrounds in India & Korea are taking up most of these spaces, while those from much poorer backgrounds there and elsewhere remain on the outside.

            which is another way that Kendi’s analysis remains far too crude to do the work that it’s been asked to do and so much DEI work does too. and sometimes seems to double down on the problems that Kendi speaks to.

  2. Excellance is racist

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Ironic post of the day…👆

  3. dick dyas Avatar

    TJ has always been a meritocracy. The most intelligent students were ripped out of the county high schools, leaving a vacuum in the student body, i.e., student government, clubs, number of college-level courses, etc.
    I would be glad to see Fairfax shut TJ down and let the students migrate to their home high schools.

  4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Why is the left hell bent on dismantling institutions of excellence such as TJ? Or dare I say VMI?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Next Normandy we shall send in the DEI regiment to storm the beachhead.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          In the military, if you pass the MSO test, you’re ‘qualified’. You don’t have to be the best of the best, just competent and capable…. as verified by the test.

          In the military , there are about 190 MSO codes… and there is way more than just academics involved.

          Higher Ed is also looking at this similarly – i.e. it’s MORE than pure academic excellence.

          For instance, you gotta be able to disassemble a weapon or machine and re-assemble it. Some of the smartest people I ever knew were totally incompetent at “hands-on” stuff… wouldn’t trust them to drive in traffic for nothing!!

          You know that James. A student of history is a different academic skill than math or science and beyond that a teacher of history is yet another skill that is of great value.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Sort of like this right Mr. Larry?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyZSrcuuOf0

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yes… I like Forest Gump so much , I’ve watched it at least a dozen times….

            My Mother-in-Law also had a saying:

            “Not every Doctor graduated at the top of his/her class and some were at the bottom, but they still are Doctors.”

            A kid who has a 3.5 GPA is not dumb even if they are not the top in their class and that 3.5 should entitle them to pursue additional education opportunities that are offered by TJ.

          3. How many people do doctors kill every year?

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            a bunch… the point?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yes… I like Forest Gump so much , I’ve watched it at least a dozen times….

            My Mother-in-Law also had a saying:

            “Not every Doctor graduated at the top of his/her class and some were at the bottom, but they still are Doctors.”

            A kid who has a 3.5 GPA is not dumb even if they are not the top in their class and that 3.5 should entitle them to pursue additional education opportunities that are offered by TJ.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar

            “In the military, if you pass the MSO test, you’re ‘qualified’. You don’t have to be the best of the best, just competent and capable…. as verified by the test.”

            Well I think someone who was never in the military shouldn’t be making comments about the training and requirements. Especially when the f’ up Military Occupational Specialty (MOS). To which there isn’t a single “test” that qualifies the individual in their job, but rather weeks of training. Also tasks, conditions and standards that all have to be met IOT to graduate from said course.

            For instance Infantry Officer Basic Course (IOBC) is 17 weeks. It consists of classroom and field tasks that must be completed in progression IOT to become an infantry officer. One requirement is passing a written test with higher than an 85%, which pulls from FM 3-21.10 The Infantry Rifle Company manual (formerly FM 7-8) and the Ranger Handbook.

            So please for the love of Christ Almighty stop attempting to talk about something you clearly have zero knowledge of for once in your life.

  5. As usual, LarrytheG has hijacked the comments and taken the dialogue in a useless and irrelevant direction. Read the friggin’ piece. Xu never talks about IQ, and he never suggests that “low income kids can’t compete on academic merit.” He attributes the success of Asian students to hard work and dedication to academic excellence — not IQ. And insofar as he seeks to explain the low performance of lower-income kids, he points to the failures of the education system.

    So, I beg the commenters in this thread to focus on what Xu wrote and not the inane distractions thrown up by LarrytheG.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      Also note, as per usual his tangent includes a complete and total lack of understanding of the tangent he’s attempting to go.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      All I asked originally was why only 2% of low income kids, including Asians attended TJ. I never brought up IQ. Read the frigging comments JAB.

      And I ask the same question again. What is the reason that only 2% of low income kids (all races) end up attending TJ?

      Are you saying that SOME Asian kids whose parents are not low income – work their butts off harder than other Asian kids of low income circumstances?

      1. Direct quote from LarrytheG: “So you really think economically disadvantaged kids have LOWER IQs and academic ability? Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, whites?”

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          yes , In RESPONSE to ” Hate to be factual with you there Larry.
          But lower income could be highly correlated with less education and less education with less IQ/ academic ability and then what genetic gifts you inherit.”

          Are you distorting here JAB?

          tell the truth… I did not bring IQ up.

          When you do this, you encourage others to do similar… they follow your lead…

    3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “He attributes the success of Asian students to hard work and dedication to academic excellence…”

      What Larry has done by pointing out the 2% disadvantaged figure is counter that very argument. The data Larry highlighted suggests that economic status may be an underlying qualification for TJ. It may still not be the primary driver but his comments are very relevant in this case.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar

        Larry has no point, just like you seldom have a point. The two of you would rather just flap your gums and never admit your error.

        You only find his comments relevant because they align with your political bias.

        Do better half-wit harraser.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        “hijacking” for sure…. 😉

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          How dare you post relevant data!!

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    Kids who are economically disadvantaged (low income , low education parents) attend TJ at about 2% of the enrollment.

    If someone wants to make the argument that Asians “work their butts off” then why is there not diverse income ranges for Asian enrollment?

    There is no “hijacking’ here. The problem is that JAB wants to stick to a narrow narrative that suits his own beliefs and push it and there are some obvious contradictions that he just chooses to not address that are very relevant because income disparities are more than apparent in the enrollment.

    How about a fair and honest discussion – on the merits since we’re talking about meritocracy! 😉

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      There is still a question though that among the population of those with high economic status, why do Asians routinely take so many TJ spots? It likely has something to do with cultural selection bias, imo.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I will agree with that. I would only point out that Asians as a group tend to locate much more densely in NoVa than other parts of the state and the Asian disparity in enrollment in the other magnet schools is much less.

        Educated and parents of some means will work hard to get their kids opportunities that exist in the school system. Higher income Asians – as a group seem to do more of it than higher income parents of other demographics. That’s a valid issue, I agree.

  7. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Anecdotally, I can add this. Someone I know well has been teaching art in Shanghai and Beijing at international and state schools for the past 11 years. She says there’s no question that Chinese kids are excellent at rote learning, memorizing things and test taking. But she finds them weaker when it comes to free thinking and being creative. Another point: the parents drive this but as more of them reach the upper middle class, they change. They tend to lighten up on their kids and spoil them with material things. More kids are getting lazy and mouthy. So, there’s one thing to teaching the test which I guess is great for math and science but when it comes to invention and creativity, not so much. Another big issue is corruption. Parents ape the Chinese Communist Party and try to bribe their way through education. The person I know was once offered $100 worth of Kentucky Fried Chicken coupons..

    1. “She says there’s no question that Chinese kids are excellent at rote
      learning, memorizing things and test taking. But she finds them weaker
      when it comes to free thinking and being creative.”
      Very true. Which is why the PRC/CCP/PLA [it’s all a single entity] steals every innovation….why it pays US college profs for its research, why it has Confucius Institutes all around the US in strategic places [why else would the CCP invest millions in Alabama A&M].

      1. Why it paid Hunter millions and millions to gain access to ‘China Joe’ aka ‘the Big Guy’.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        The “Critical Thinking” is supposed to be the USA “edge” in education and the economy – we know others copy-cat, but we usually lead.

        1. dave schutz Avatar
          dave schutz

          We’re not particularly likely to continue to lead if we make the education of our children less rigorous and more ideological by the year.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Oh I totally agree. Every child needs to receive whatever resources he/she needs to attain their academic potential and I DO support the fundamental premise of the original No Child Left behind that allowed a parent to move their kid to a better school including non-public, but the trick is knowing what ‘better school” means if that performance data is not provided.

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    JAB is pushing the standard Conservative narrative here where the claim is made that Asians just “work harder” than others and that’s why they are many more of them in TJ and that efforts to more equitably distribute enrollment is discriminating against Asian “meritocracy”.

    It’s not. It’s well known how well-to-do Asians locate where their kids are eligible forTJ and then fund tutors and academic boot camps so they can “compete” and they do so more so in NoVa that most other school districts. It’s all about getting their kids into TJ and from there into a top-tier College.

    I can’t blame them. Rich parents are going to do the things they can afford to do to help their kids succeed. No shame in that.

    The fly in the ointment is that low-income Asians do not enroll in the same numbers as high income Asians.

    Why? If Asians – as a group per the claim “work harder” then why don’t we see low income Asians well represented in enrollment also?

    That on target to JAB’s spurious and standard Conservative rhetoric on this issue IMHO.

  9. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    To argue further, I offer this to you Regressives (as opposed to so-called Conservatives who do nothing to conserve the environment or the American way of life), on the Asian question and your love of discipline regarding children, have you ever read “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother?” It will rattle your gin and tonics. Do you really want this?

  10. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    What has happened at TJ is right out of the Kendi playbook.
    “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

    The FCPS superintendent and school board missed a golden chance. Readiness is the key. Fairfax has the resources to make readiness possible for underrepresented subgroups. That is the only honest answer to the problem.

    What troubles me so much is the normalization of discrimination towards Asians.

  11. tmtfairfax Avatar

    Evidence that the woke use Asians as pawns. BR posts tend to portray Asians as wealthy and very successful. Yet the Governor of New York just signed new legislation that assumes, “Asian-American communities are among the most impoverished in New York.” The quote is from state Assembly member Yuh-Line Niou. https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-governor-declares-racism-public-health-emergency-amid/story?id=82002884

    At the same time, NYC mayor DeBlasio and other woke-arti have been fighting the use of entrance exams for admission to elite secondary schools. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/nyregion/carranza-specialized-schools-admission-asians.html

    The bottom line – Asian-Americans are but pawns in the minds of the woke politicians. They can be victims or beneficiaries of racism depending on the political point being made.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Oh I agree they’re being used as pawns but certainly not in NoVa by the “woke”. We’re told that the reason so many get into TJ is that they work harder than others… and the fact that 98% of them are not “impoverished” is just a distraction… 😉

  12. There are two assumed issues here: financial issue and racial issue. Let me give an example in China that has almost one race there to make the argument simpler. Overall statistics show that poor kids from Chinese small towns always out perform rich kids from its rich capital Beijing, so that the collage admission test score lines (the threshold) for Beijing kids were set much lower than small town kids for the same tests and same collages. The financial situation is a cause for the difference, but in an opposite way. Poor families push harder on kids and invest more (by ratio to their income) for kids’ study to change the families’ fate in the future. So the real key factor is the family efforts on kids’ study, even when you look at different races here in US where I saw many successful Black professionals from families that value education. A race is a group of individual persons with difference views to the world. Policies based on races is sort of bias to label people. I like Dr. King’s dream – “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Well, clearly in NoVa, the large numbers of Asians that gain enrollment into TJ are not “poor”. In fact, only 2% of low-income – of all races – make it into TJ.

      TJ is about the best of the best – as opposed to opportunity for any/all who demonstrate academic competence… and so the folks who have bright kids AND the financial resources to have them tutored and enrolled in academic boot-camps can get in to TJ as best-of-the-best – the top 2% academically…

      1. Most Asian immigrates do not think they are rich because they came to a richer country. Their attribute is pretty like families from a Chinese small town coming to a big rich city. The highest priority is to survive, and based their own career paths they leaned that education is a key. It’s why their kids out perform richer white kids. In NoVa, we have lots of high paid jobs here. Low income Asians are much fewer than New York City. If you search the percentage of low incomes among Asians here (not whole population), I believe it’s right about 2%, so TJ’s result represents just right with all income levels of Asians.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Does it bother you any that only 2% of low income attain enrollment?

          My understanding is that all applicants have to have at least a 3.5 QCA.

          Should there be some set number of slots for low-income kids who got 3.5 or better (regardless of race)?

          1. So, we should make sure that 2% means 2% of Asian students in TJ are from low income families or all low income Asian students in FF have 2% in TJ. My search results show 2% of students in TJ are from low incomes. It’s what my message based on.

          2. 2% does not bother me at all, because it is the nature of NoVa, which attracted highly educated Asian families with high paid jobs. It’s why low income Asians are very few. If you talk about NYC, 2% may bother me.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            right, but 2% of other races also?

          4. I don’t see any indication about income in your linked page. The bottom line – it’s not a financial or racial issue. The result comes from differences of cultures. The root Asian culture values family future and education. I am not saying other races do not have such culture. My point is that percentage of Asians who focus on that are much higher than other races. I cannot say it’s good or bad, because it kills creativeness as a side effect.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            The page shows the lower number of non-Asians because of the best-of-the-best enrollment policy.

            If the Asian culture values family future and education better than other races, is that something we see in other places and schools across Virginia and the country regardless of income?

            Do the other magnet schools in Virginia also show this Asian ‘culture’ of education and enroll in much higher numbers than their population percentage?

            Or is that something we see more of in Nova and more so in high income Asians but not in low-income Asians?

            IOW – are we seeing of higher than normal concentration of high income Asians in Nova who basically ‘out-compete” on money to get heir kids “prepped’ for best-of-the-best competition?

          6. If you look at Ivy League colleges, Asians out perform all other races. But those colleges have very good need-based financial aids that eliminate student financial differences. BTW, as far as I knew, most Asian kids do not (at least not heavily) attend prep classes.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            There are articles about it in WaPo…

            So you’re okay with only 2% of low income getting into TJ?

            Or do you think, in general, that the richer kids are just intellectually superior – no prep classes.. just better?

            Do you think College policies that do not enroll purely by best-of-the-best – and many more Asians are wrong and they should do what TJ is doing?

          8. Again, in China and US I saw so many poor Chinese kids in colleges who were super smart. In NoVa, I believe a smart poor kid can easily pass TJ’s admission too. Your 2% of low incomes is right about the percentage of low incomes among local Asians, so it’s a correct representation. It’s why not a problem to me. If you talk about other places or nationwide, it’s different.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar

            how about that 2% for other races?

            So you’re saying that 98% of Asians in NoVa are not low income, right?

            Have you seen this:

            http://statchatva.org/2018/10/24/virginia-the-state-for-crazy-rich-asians/

          10. Interesting stats, and they support my view – poor Asians in NoVa have low percentage, and which dragged down low incomes as a whole in TJ since Asians are majority.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            Right. BUT no low income ethnic group fares well at TJ.

            Why is that?

            Are low income , lower academic levels?

            Is that a natural/typical consequence of public schooling in general?

            Do high income folks provide more financial resources for their kids education so they can out-compete others on admission to schools that rank admission on best-of-best ?

            Have you seen this:

            https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            Some folks, Conservatives usually, portray the change in entrance qualifications to include other things beyond pure academic to be “woke” efforts to enroll more blacks as an “equity” measure.

            But across the country in both Colleges and Magnet schools, it’s been observed that when pure academics is the sole criteria that very small percentages of low income – qualify.

            No just blacks. But Hispanics and even Whites.

            That leaves us wondering if kids in higher income families are organically “smarter’ than low income kids of any race.

            It’s not that other kids don’t have high academic qualifications.

            It’s that they don’t have high enough compared to other kids who most often come from higher income families.

            Public Colleges (as opposed to private) saw this many years ago and started adjusting their enrollment process in an effort to end up with a diverse student body – not only race but income – so they had low and middle income kids and not just all high income kids.

            It was not an overt act to discriminate (against Asians nor high income) , but rather to strive for a more diverse student body that was actually more representative of the diversity of society AND there is true opportunity for kids of middle and low income families.

            It’s a question of what the purpose of public education is and whether it should provide opportunity to those kids whose parents are not rich but middle class and low income.

            If we enroll purely on academic merit, then how many low and middle income will qualify?

            We know the answer at least in some cases – about 2%. Not just Asians, but blacks , Hispanics and even Whites.

            Is that what we what public education to be about – pure academic rank no matter what?

            And making this issue about discrimination against Asians is just partisan culture war stuff.

          13. LarrytheG Avatar

            I’m not totally understanding your point. Maybe clarify. I’m dense.

            My understanding is that for all races, only 2% are enrolled, Asians, Hispanics, Whites, Blacks.

            So I’m asking if 2% indicates that only higher income kids are getting in and even low-income kids with 3.5 qca are not – and is that a fair and equitable process?

            I assume you have seen this;
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4caf68b3d238f576edca9200ecfaab82cf0f0ea22aabfbab80dfe2f8c409658b.jpg

            https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-486-students

            Should TJ only be for the best-of-the-best and reward kids whose parents can afford tutors, academic boot camps, etc… or should they offer opportunity to all kids who meet a 3.5 CPA on a lottery basis or some such?

  13. Here are the pass rates for Reading Standards of Learning tests, Fairfax County district, 2020/21 school year, for disadvantaged students broken down by major ethnic/racial classification. (Data comes from the Virginia Department of Education build-a-table database). Socioeconomically, we are comparing apples with apples.

    https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2021/12/ed-pass-rates.jpg

    Comparing the same socioeconomic status, Asians out-perform all other groups. Even more remarkable when you consider that a high percentage of Asians are ESL students — a handicap that only a few Whites and Blacks labor under.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Is that for all grades (and thus includes the higher grades where some kids are tutored and boot camped.

      I do not disagree that Asian culture highly values education.

      What I question is a policy of ranking admission solely on a best-of-the-best so that even low-income kids with 3.5 QCAs cannot out-compete kids of higher income families who can and do use their own financial resources over and above what the public schools provide.

      Do colleges enroll purely on a best-of-the-best basis?

  14. This table, also from the VDOE database, compares English and math pass rates for Asian and Hispanic disadvantaged, English Language Learners.

    https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2021/12/asian-hispanic.jpg

    Asians pass at two to three times the rate of Hispanics. The difference is vast. the circumstances similar. The “disparity” has to be cultural.

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