WaPo Ratchets Up Assault on VMI

image credit: Heather Rousseau/Washington Post

by James A. Bacon

After accusing the Virginia Military Institute of maintaining an environment of “relentless racism” and implying that VMI’s commandant is a racist, The Washington Post now is targeting the military academy’s honor code as archaic, excessively harsh, and discriminatory against minorities.

The latest headline: “VMI, under fire for expelling Black cadets, considers changes to prized honor system.”

In an interview this week, interim Superintendent Cedric T. Wins said he doesn’t intend to change the honor code, which forbids lying, cheating and stealing, WaPo staffer Ian Shapira wrote. “Instead, he is evaluating the student-run justice system that enforces that code.” Shapira went on to criticize the “single-sanction” penalty, expulsion, describe how other service academies have abandoned the single sanction, and highlight “startling” racial disparities among the cadets being punished.

The VMI Board of Visitors took the remarkable step yesterday of releasing a full transcript of that interview.

The board was fully justified in making that decision. Shapira’s reporting has been disgracefully one-sided. Perhaps the worst was a hit piece published a week ago that insinuated that the retirement of Commandant of Cadets William “Bill” Wanovich was tied to an investigation of racism at VMI.

Character assassination. There was no connection whatsoever between the announcement of Wanovich’s planned departure at the end of the academic year and the investigation called for by Governor Ralph Northam in response to previous Washington Post allegations of institutional racism — and Wins reiterated that point during the board meeting yesterday.

A VMI graduate, Wanovich served several years as commandant before announcing his retirement to the previous Superintendent J.H. Binford Peay III.  The commandant is in charge of the cadets’ military training, which includes overseeing the infamous “rat line,” an adversarial system resembling basic training in which older cadets have license to make the young “rats” miserable in order to remold them into cadets. The commandant must strike a balance between upholding the tradition and ensuring that the older cadets don’t carried away. Just last year, a federal judge heard a case in which five cadets were alleged to have bound and gagged two rats, waterboarded them, forced them to strip off their shirts, and then wrestle one another. It was not a sanctioned activity, and Wanovich was involved with investigating the incident and disciplining the older cadets. (They were suspended.) The commandant has to deal with unhappy students, unhappy parents, and the occasional lawsuit. It is a tough job, a draining job. And Wanovich served in the position longer than most — the third longest of any commandant in VMI’s 150-year history.

Wanovich gave notice in September that he would serve out the year and then retire. The Post published its first story — “Black Cadets still endure relentless racism” — Oct. 17, long after Wanovich gave notice. There was no reason to rush the announcement of the commandant’s departure, but VMI got around to sending out a press release Jan. 22. His youngest daughter, Grace, was going to graduate in June, the press release noted, which meant that Wanovich and his wife would become empty nesters. “Bill and Tina look forward to spending more time with their families and enjoying their grandson Finley,” the announcement said.

The Post published its hit job on Wanovich — “VMI commandant to retire as racial reckoning continues” — Jan. 23.

The story kicked off this way:

The commandant of the Virginia Military Institute, William “Bill” Wanovich, who came under scrutiny for posing in a photo mocking Hispanics at a campus Halloween party three years ago, is retiring at the end of the academic year, the college announced Friday.

Wanovich’s pending departure marks the latest disruption at VMI since The Washington Post published a series of stories exposing racism at the nation’s oldest state-supported military college.

Writer Ian Shapira then proceeded to recount allegations raised in those stories, including a 2017 incident in which Wanovich “posed in a picture taken at the cadets’ annual Halloween costume party alongside students dressed in cardboard boxes as ”Trump’s Wall.’ The words ‘Keep Out’ and ‘No Cholos,’ a slur against Mexicans, were scrawled on the students’ costume.”

He then recounted an incident involving a first-year black Hispanic student, Rafael Jenkins, who was “threatened with a lynching by a White student” in August 2018. (Shapira’s brief account in the Wanovich article omitted important context: that Jenkins was in the rat line at the time of  the incident, that the older white student was engaging in hyperbolic “drill sergeant” rhetoric that no one took literally, and that VMI subsequently suspended him anyway.) Jenkins’ father told Wanovich that he wanted the white student expelled. Wanovich responded by saying that many of VMI’s cadets had grown up in racist homes and that he hoped the college could change them. Shapira did not explain how such a sentiment is racist. (For the record, Wanovich told the Post he recalled the conversation differently.)

Only by the 11th paragraph did Shapira get around to quoting VMI spokesman Bill Wyatt as saying that Wanovich’s decision to retire had nothing to do with the controversy over the Trump border-wall picture or the state investigation into racism. Wrote Shapira: “He said Wanovich had been planning the move since September and wanted to spend more time with his family.”

No cholos. Shapira’s propensity for slanting stories was on full display in his description of the Halloween costume party incident. His most detailed account appeared in his first article about VMI:

VMI administrators have been among those involved in racist incidents. In 2017, Col. William Wanovich, the school’s commandant of cadets, appeared in a Halloween photo of cadets dressed up in boxes as President Trump’s border wall with the words “Keep Out” and “No Cholos,” a slur against Mexicans. Wanovich, a member of the Class of 1987, didn’t return a message seeking comment. At the time, VMI said the costume was “in poor taste” and “offensive” but has since declined to reveal whether Wanovich was ever disciplined.

Context is everything, and Shapira did not provide it. The traditional Halloween costume party is a chance for the strictly regimented cadets to blow off steam. Hundreds of students in costumes were wandering around the VMI grounds and having fun. Consumption of alcohol is prohibited, but college kids are college kids and they sometimes do stupid stuff. It was the commandant’s job to patrol the grounds and make sure everyone was behaving themselves. Students took hundreds of pictures during the celebration, and Wanovich appeared in many of them.

Here’s the photo in question, which was posted on a Latino Rebels website:

The words “Keep out” are visible in smaller letters. “No cholos” is not. (The phrase may be covered by Wanovich’s foot.)

For the edification of Bacon’s Rebellion readers who might never have heard the term before, Britannica.com defines “cholo” this way: A cholo is “a young person who participates in or identifies with Mexican American gang subculture. The term, sometimes used disparagingly, is derived from early Spanish and Mexican usage and denotes marginalization. The cholo subculture originated in the barrio (neighborhood) street gangs of Southern California.”

In mugging for the camera by posing as if he is trying to crawl over the wall, one could argue that Wanovich was making a light-hearted political statement regarding border policy. But Shapira presented no evidence that Wanovich endorsed the use of the ethnic term “cholos” — or even that he noticed it. Yet this is one of the dozen or so incidents highlighted in Shapira’s indictment of VMI as a “relentlessly racist” institution, which prompted Governor Ralph Northam to appoint a state investigation.

An assumption of racism. In the latest article, Shapira also suggests, based on the high percentage of African Americans and other minorities who have been convicted of violations, that the VMI honor code is racist.

The Post revealed startling disparities in those being punished: Between the fall of 2017 and the spring of 2020, Black cadets represented about 43 percent of all students expelled because of honor code violations, even though they made up about 6 percent of the student body during that period; students of color comprised about 54 percent of the total even though they made up about 21 percent of the campus population.

Shapira raised the issue of racial disparities in his interview with Wins, who himself is African American. He did not see fit in the latest article to provide Wins’ response. Here is the exchange:

Shapira: I reported back in December that honor code violations, that minority students and Black students have been disproportionately expelled by the honor system, and I wanted to ask you specifically, does this concern you?

Wins: Yeah, so I appreciate that question because the numbers we provided to you were numbers that I had asked for. And so I see that when you look strictly at the numbers, there is a disproportionate appearance of the numbers, and so there’s no denying that. What I’m most concerned with here at VMI is whether there’s a causal relationship that would suggest that given those numbers, that there is some inappropriate type of targeting or something like that that would occur. The other point I would make is that when it comes to honor court cases, Ian, the numbers on a year-to-year basis are extremely low, less than 1 percent of the students who are asked to leave VMI are the result of honor court cases. And furthermore, the majority of honor court cases typically come about through the reporting of faculty with respect to the suspicion of cheating by a cadet.

Shapira can conceive of no other explanation for a disparity in convictions than racism. Wins, by contrast, is not rushing to pre-judge. Indeed, his last sentence  — the majority of honor offenses are for cheating, and they are reported by professors — leads to a possible alternative explanation.

While African Americans comprise only 6% of the cadet corps, they are disproportionately numbered among the student athletes. VMI publishes no data on the breakdown of SAT scores among its athletes, but it is possible — it certainly has occurred at other universities — that athletes have lower academic aptitudes on average, are more likely to find themselves floundering in class, and face greater temptation to cheat. There are no cupcake courses at VMI. The Institute maintains higher, unforgiving standards for everyone. While we do not know this to be the reason for the disparity in honor code outcomes, it is a plausible alternative explanation. Racism cannot be assumed.

Cultural upheaval. Shapira brushes up against the truth when he describes the debate over the honor code as “part of a cultural upheaval engulfing VMI.” Clearly, cultural values are changing nationally, including attitudes toward lying cheating and stealing. Cultural relativism and situational ethics prevail today. VMI is the old guard that upholds the old standards.

The Post’s assault on VMI’s reputation should be seen in the light of the larger culture wars raging in the United States. The cultural Left has vanquished and occupied almost every higher-ed institution in the country. Only a few handful of institutions reflecting traditional values remain. VMI is one of them. Therefore, it must be crushed.


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76 responses to “WaPo Ratchets Up Assault on VMI”

  1. We are fast approaching the time when we need a new Joseph N. Welch.

  2. We are fast approaching the time when we need a new Joseph N. Welch.

  3. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Backwards headline. Should be: “JAB ratchets up assault on WaPo.”

  4. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Backwards headline. Should be: “JAB ratchets up assault on WaPo.”

  5. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    Shapira evidently in on a crusade, although I have no idea of the reason why. VMI took a good step in publishing the transcript but it shouldn’t stop there. While it is dangerous to get into a battle with someone who buys printing ink by the barrel, VMI needs to challenge the Post and especially Shapira. If an intentional bias can be shown, he might have an incentive to write on other topics.

  6. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    Shapira evidently in on a crusade, although I have no idea of the reason why. VMI took a good step in publishing the transcript but it shouldn’t stop there. While it is dangerous to get into a battle with someone who buys printing ink by the barrel, VMI needs to challenge the Post and especially Shapira. If an intentional bias can be shown, he might have an incentive to write on other topics.

  7. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Ethics and Washington Post do not belong on the same page, much less the same sentence. The crack “national” media outlet that just seemed to miss Northam’s earlier blackface antics when he was running for Lt. Governor. And the paper that supports religious bigotry when it endorsed Harris.

  8. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Ethics and Washington Post do not belong on the same page, much less the same sentence. The crack “national” media outlet that just seemed to miss Northam’s earlier blackface antics when he was running for Lt. Governor. And the paper that supports religious bigotry when it endorsed Harris.

  9. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Hmmm, “P. Wesley Foster, Jr. Stadium”.

    How in the Hell could Alighieri get it that wrong?

  10. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Hmmm, “P. Wesley Foster, Jr. Stadium”.

    How in the Hell could Alighieri get it that wrong?

  11. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    So do we know how the Friday meeting with the BOV went? Did Shapira show up? Did he begin his next slanted installment? Wins is to smart for Shapira. I think the tables are going to be turned.

  12. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    So do we know how the Friday meeting with the BOV went? Did Shapira show up? Did he begin his next slanted installment? Wins is to smart for Shapira. I think the tables are going to be turned.

  13. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Why is not Jeff Bezos destroying VMI? Shapiro is a nobody, Bezos’s finger puppet. Does Bezos also control lock, stock, and barrel, Virginia, not to mention piss ant VMI, and America that is going down with them into the toilet, thanks to Jeff Bezos? Hear the huge silence of cowards.

    1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      Sorry, but student run honor code “justice” systems are simply stupid. VMI is not alone in this.

      1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
        Eric the Half a Troll

        Sorry, meant this as a comment to main article. All thumbs.

      2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Since the VMI honor code student trial mirrors our trial system, are you contending that a jury of your peers is stupid?

        1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
          Eric the Half a Troll

          You contend that a 16 yo juvenile in court should have the entire legal procedure (not just jury – but yes the entire jury too) manned by fellow 16 yo “peers” from their own high school?

          1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
            Bill O’Keefe

            No, I never said what you said that I am contending. Do you know of any juvenile courts that have juries?
            Try explaining why you find the VMI honor system either offensive or stupid?

          2. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
            Eric the Half a Troll

            I just did. Sorry you don’t understand.

        2. Granny face Avatar
          Granny face

          Bill O’Keefe: The Queen says “Off with your head” (because the Honor Court answers to the Queen – Gen. C15 @ T-wins address).

    2. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      Bezos is doing the bidding of the Queen.

      1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Is there any evidence that Bezos is spending his time trying to slander VMI?

        1. Granny face Avatar
          Granny face

          Yes, the evidence is called “business.” Terms that relate are “asset” and “payroll.” The Queen appreciates the work of Jeff and Ian.

          1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
            Bill O’Keefe

            That is to evidence. One of the reasons that we have so much misinformation is that too many offer a biased opinion with nothing to support it. Silly comments about the Queen are just noise. I also think that anyone who knows anything about business and at the demands on CEO’s time would find it laughable that anyone thinks that Bezos spends his time manipulating Post writers.

          2. Granny face Avatar
            Granny face

            How dare you insult our beautiful Reptillian Queen. I assure you, there is nothing silly about any of my comments. She is so beautiful “in Virginia,” her reptillian hide, her double iris, her blazing aura of truth, so threatening was she to the lizzard goblin despots of VMI that they staged a coup against her and forever banned her from Post! But her Highness the Dragon Queen will return. Until then, she hides in silence and mourns her dead cadets. They are too many to number.

  14. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Why is not Jeff Bezos destroying VMI? Shapiro is a nobody, Bezos’s finger puppet. Does Bezos also control lock, stock, and barrel, Virginia, not to mention piss ant VMI, and America that is going down with them into the toilet, thanks to Jeff Bezos? Hear the huge silence of cowards.

    1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      Sorry, but student run honor code “justice” systems are simply stupid. VMI is not alone in this.

      1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
        Eric the Half a Troll

        Sorry, meant this as a comment to main article. All thumbs.

      2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Since the VMI honor code student trial mirrors our trial system, are you contending that a jury of your peers is stupid?

        1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
          Eric the Half a Troll

          You contend that a 16 yo juvenile in court should have the entire legal procedure (not just jury – but yes the entire jury too) manned by fellow 16 yo “peers” from their own high school?

          1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
            Bill O’Keefe

            No, I never said what you said that I am contending. Do you know of any juvenile courts that have juries?
            Try explaining why you find the VMI honor system either offensive or stupid?

          2. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
            Eric the Half a Troll

            I just did. Sorry you don’t understand.

        2. Granny face Avatar
          Granny face

          Bill O’Keefe: The Queen says “Off with your head” (because the Honor Court answers to the Queen – Gen. C15 @ T-wins address).

    2. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      Bezos is doing the bidding of the Queen.

      1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Is there any evidence that Bezos is spending his time trying to slander VMI?

        1. Granny face Avatar
          Granny face

          Yes, the evidence is called “business.” Terms that relate are “asset” and “payroll.” The Queen appreciates the work of Jeff and Ian.

          1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
            Bill O’Keefe

            That is to evidence. One of the reasons that we have so much misinformation is that too many offer a biased opinion with nothing to support it. Silly comments about the Queen are just noise. I also think that anyone who knows anything about business and at the demands on CEO’s time would find it laughable that anyone thinks that Bezos spends his time manipulating Post writers.

          2. Granny face Avatar
            Granny face

            How dare you insult our beautiful Reptillian Queen. I assure you, there is nothing silly about any of my comments. She is so beautiful “in Virginia,” her reptillian hide, her double iris, her blazing aura of truth, so threatening was she to the lizzard goblin despots of VMI that they staged a coup against her and forever banned her from Post! But her Highness the Dragon Queen will return. Until then, she hides in silence and mourns her dead cadets. They are too many to number.

  15. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Reed. Not a peep from you about Trump. As Captain Queeg (not Sherlock) said, let’s get down to cases.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Ah, Cap’n Queeg, playing with your balls again, I see.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Peter Galuszka | January 31, 2021 at 7:54 am | Reply
      Reed. Not a peep from you about Trump. As Captain Queeg (not Sherlock) said, let’s get down to cases.”

      What does Trump have to do with VMI and the Washington Post?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Promoting white supremacy?

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Nancy_Naive | February 1, 2021 at 8:55 am | Reply
          Promoting white supremacy?”

          What?

        2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
          Bill O’Keefe

          Your view is surely a case of having an opinion and then combing through history to confirm it. Get serious, please!

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            You’re saying Trump, at least implicitly, did not promote** white supremacy?

            ** promote in the case of the abhorrent includes failure to denounce.

          2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
            Bill O’Keefe

            Wrong again. I said no such thing.

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            It can’t be wrong. It was a question. You answered it. Sort of.

          4. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
            Bill O’Keefe

            Conflating Trump’s promoting white supremacy with your acceptance of VMI continued white supremacy is silly.

          5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            I accept it?

  16. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Reed. Not a peep from you about Trump. As Captain Queeg (not Sherlock) said, let’s get down to cases.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Ah, Cap’n Queeg, playing with your balls again, I see.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Peter Galuszka | January 31, 2021 at 7:54 am | Reply
      Reed. Not a peep from you about Trump. As Captain Queeg (not Sherlock) said, let’s get down to cases.”

      What does Trump have to do with VMI and the Washington Post?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Promoting white supremacy?

        1. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
          Bill O’Keefe

          Your view is surely a case of having an opinion and then combing through history to confirm it. Get serious, please!

  17. owen dunlap Avatar
    owen dunlap

    Reed Fawell 3 – ” piss ant VMI” ? not sure what to make of that description/insult. If you want to clarify – have at it. Now that i think about it i don’t really understand… ” Why is not Jeff Bezos destroying VMI?” either

    thank you for this post and for the link to the interview transcript Not sure why the reporter is so focused on what the service academies are doing – seems like to me that West Point just had a huge cheating scandal that involved the football team ( i actually think many played in the most recent Navy game even after the story broke) . Just maybe VMI should chart it own course instead of following ” what West Point does” ?

    when i was a cadet – the honor court was only selected from first and second class and they were also the jury– it was looked at as the ultimate honor from your brother rats to be voted in as a member and it was well know throughout the corp who the members were – it was posted in every room in barracks – i do not know what criteria was used to determine who was ultimately convicted but i can tell you the members of the jury were not a cross section of the corp – but rather the best of us. There were two cadet prosecutors and the corp knew that those cadets were who all reports of suspected violations went to. Yes – cadets that were being investigated were sometimes “observed” by other members of the corp when they were asked to by the honor court based on already being under investigation. There were 19 drum outs my rat year but most years less than 10 – and it remained a part of my cadetship from about a month into the ratline until the night before graduation – a drum out was a very powerful ceremony and would always remind you that you were having an experience very different from your high school peers ( as if you needed reminding i guess)

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      Answer: You and I agree. piss ant refers to Jeff Bezos’s POV as exposed by the actions of his employees.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Mr. Dunlap the AFA just have their own cheating scandal expose, I believe it got 249 Cadets.

    3. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      When it came to the attention of the Queen that the Honor Court elections were rigged, and that the Honor Court was being used for sometimes “beyond” dishonorable purposes, the Queen notified her loyal subjects at MSNBC of the “operational failures” afoot and the rest is beginning to be history.

    4. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      Owen – you are a case study of the VMI Reptillian. May I point you to a mirror of words which reflects thus upon you: “The witness brain is inherently wired to defend itself in the face of an adversarial examination and unfavorable case facts.” also known as “The VMI Reptillian Cadet.”

      https://mylawcle.com/products/preventing-amygdala-hi-jack-at-deposition-in-the-reptilian-era/

      Owen, as you well know, Switzerland isn’t the only place you’ll find a Spiez Castle. And THE Queen has ordered that the Lexington Castle be CLEANED.

  18. owen dunlap Avatar
    owen dunlap

    Reed Fawell 3 – ” piss ant VMI” ? not sure what to make of that description/insult. If you want to clarify – have at it. Now that i think about it i don’t really understand… ” Why is not Jeff Bezos destroying VMI?” either

    thank you for this post and for the link to the interview transcript Not sure why the reporter is so focused on what the service academies are doing – seems like to me that West Point just had a huge cheating scandal that involved the football team ( i actually think many played in the most recent Navy game even after the story broke) . Just maybe VMI should chart it own course instead of following ” what West Point does” ?

    when i was a cadet – the honor court was only selected from first and second class and they were also the jury– it was looked at as the ultimate honor from your brother rats to be voted in as a member and it was well know throughout the corp who the members were – it was posted in every room in barracks – i do not know what criteria was used to determine who was ultimately convicted but i can tell you the members of the jury were not a cross section of the corp – but rather the best of us. There were two cadet prosecutors and the corp knew that those cadets were who all reports of suspected violations went to. Yes – cadets that were being investigated were sometimes “observed” by other members of the corp when they were asked to by the honor court based on already being under investigation. There were 19 drum outs my rat year but most years less than 10 – and it remained a part of my cadetship from about a month into the ratline until the night before graduation – a drum out was a very powerful ceremony and would always remind you that you were having an experience very different from your high school peers ( as if you needed reminding i guess)

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      Answer: You and I agree. piss ant refers to Jeff Bezos’s POV as exposed by the actions of his employees.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Mr. Dunlap the AFA just have their own cheating scandal expose, I believe it got 249 Cadets.

    3. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      When it came to the attention of the Queen that the Honor Court elections were rigged, and that the Honor Court was being used for sometimes “beyond” dishonorable purposes, the Queen notified her loyal subjects at MSNBC of the “operational failures” afoot and the rest is beginning to be history.

    4. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      Owen – you are a case study of the VMI Reptillian. May I point you to a mirror of words which reflects thus upon you: “The witness brain is inherently wired to defend itself in the face of an adversarial examination and unfavorable case facts.” also known as “The VMI Reptillian Cadet.”

      https://mylawcle.com/products/preventing-amygdala-hi-jack-at-deposition-in-the-reptilian-era/

      Owen, as you well know, Switzerland isn’t the only place you’ll find a Spiez Castle. And THE Queen has ordered that the Lexington Castle be CLEANED.

  19. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    So, where did you give a thorough explanation of your perspective? In some other post in another blog?

  20. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    So, where did you give a thorough explanation of your perspective? In some other post in another blog?

  21. owen dunlap Avatar
    owen dunlap

    my perspective is that claims of racism based on ” disproportional” results in the implementation of the honor system are just that … claims . My hope is that VMI will gather together some alumni lawyers and have them review the cases back maybe 10 yrs and see if they find they are drumming out cadets of any color or gender based on weak evidence that does not meet the high bar it should. There have been some legal challenges to the VMI honor system over the decades and the leadership of VMI in those times have made some changes to try to address any weakness that might result in pos bad outcomes. I think any change to the “single penalty” policy would be a mistake for the reasons Gen Wins outlined in his reply to the reporter. I think that any change to the “drumming out” ceremony would be a mistake – cadets live 4-5 to a room and the entire corp lives together. The idea that a cadet would get drummed out and ” remain anonymous” is laughable.

    1. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      Owen Dunlap: The Queen says “NO” to your entire post!! OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

  22. owen dunlap Avatar
    owen dunlap

    my perspective is that claims of racism based on ” disproportional” results in the implementation of the honor system are just that … claims . My hope is that VMI will gather together some alumni lawyers and have them review the cases back maybe 10 yrs and see if they find they are drumming out cadets of any color or gender based on weak evidence that does not meet the high bar it should. There have been some legal challenges to the VMI honor system over the decades and the leadership of VMI in those times have made some changes to try to address any weakness that might result in pos bad outcomes. I think any change to the “single penalty” policy would be a mistake for the reasons Gen Wins outlined in his reply to the reporter. I think that any change to the “drumming out” ceremony would be a mistake – cadets live 4-5 to a room and the entire corp lives together. The idea that a cadet would get drummed out and ” remain anonymous” is laughable.

    1. Granny face Avatar
      Granny face

      Owen Dunlap: The Queen says “NO” to your entire post!! OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

  23. satansquid Avatar
    satansquid

    This picture is egregious. No senior officer should be anywhere near this, let alone mugging for the camera.

  24. satansquid Avatar
    satansquid

    This picture is egregious. No senior officer should be anywhere near this, let alone mugging for the camera.

  25. DLunsford Avatar

    As in most situations involving the academy, the alumni need to vote with their dollars. And VMI is known for one of the most generous and extensive alumni networks in the nation. Perhaps back in 1997 the Southern Military Institute concept wasn’t so far fetched after all?

  26. DLunsford Avatar

    As in most situations involving the academy, the alumni need to vote with their dollars. And VMI is known for one of the most generous and extensive alumni networks in the nation. Perhaps back in 1997 the Southern Military Institute concept wasn’t so far fetched after all?

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