by James C. Sherlock

It was never a Navy war.

But in this Navy town, it was brought literally home to us again and again. We are home to nearly half of the Navy SEALs, including SEAL Team 6.

Something like 4,000 to 5,000 total plus their families.

SEALs are America’s special operations forces specially trained for undersea, coastal, river and swamp operations. They train on our beaches, in our swamps, bays and ocean. Some of us can hear their live gunfire at night.

Folks in the Navy flight paths hear big transports take off at 4:00 in the morning, guess that’s them going God knows where, wish them well, and try to go back to sleep.

About 15 years ago, I went through physical rehab in a civilian facility here with one of them, a Chief Petty Officer who you would not have recognized as a sailor. He and I were there for different types of injuries.

I was retired and rehabbing a knee operated on for arthritis. He was rehabbing muscle damage from a bullet wound. Affected his trigger finger.

I wanted to get back to golf. He wanted to return to combat. The minute he re-qualified to SEAL standards as a shooter he left rehab. We, sailors both, had talked a lot. Very smart, respectful and interesting man. Never saw him again.

Some of us know a few of our SEALs mostly for regular reasons like kids in the same schools, teachers who have their kids in classes, church events, neighbors.

We understood why they deployed again and again to landlocked Afghanistan. That is where Americans were fighting. And that is what they do. Some individual SEALs deployed there a dozen times or more.

SEALs proved unlikely to be killed by the enemy on the ground. Skill, luck, both. But they were vulnerable in helicopters, and those were the source of the darkest headlines.

We have always known generally what they do, pray for them and thank them when we can. In return, they fight and die for all of us.

This is not the time to recount their heroism. It is well enough known.

Afghanistan in June of this year was not at peace but it was effectively pacified.  Not a single NATO soldier, airman, Marine or SPECOPS warrior had been killed in Afghanistan 18 months. The Afghan army faced little combat opposition. But that was because of air power. The American military knew it. NATO knew. American civilian leadership knew. Afghans on both sides knew.

That is why those of us with some knowledge of how the war was being fought but no role in it were surprised, shocked really, when we abandoned Bagram Air Base in early July.

Surprised, I guess, because like most Americans we had not been paying attention. Surprised because is where the American air power that kept the Taliban at bay was based. I guess we assumed that would be the base of a residual American air effort to keep them at bay when most of our ground forces left.  

We were wrong.

When we left Bagram at the start of the summer fighting season in that country, it was all but over. The genius who even offered that idea and its timing as an option should speak up and resign. I’m talking to you, Secretary Austin.

But enough.

It is time to reflect on our Virginia Beach SEALs, their comrades based in California, other warriors from the Army, Marines and Air Force and the armed forces of our NATO allies, especially the Brits, who fought for their countries. Reflect on the families and friends, especially the children, of the living and the dead.

The adults will be angered, the children confused, by how it is ending.

But our memories of their sacrifices, dedication and bravery will outlive lesser men and women who failed utterly to understand that war and ultimately failed to finish it with honor.


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84 responses to “Virginia Beach and Afghanistan”

  1. Our mission in Afghanistan was accomplished in the Spring of 2002. The CIA was charged with our response to the 9/11 attack and Hank Crumpton ran the operation. He established CTC/SO – the CIA’s Counter Terrorism Center’s Special Operations. His strategy, topple the Taliban [accomplished by Dec 2001] to destroy AQ [accomplished in Spring 2002] with about 300 Americans in country. The Navy [JSOC] was given Afghanistan when Delta was given Iraq about 2003.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Two front warfare…

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Agree that the decision to leave Bagram and leave the Afghan’s without air support was the turning point. This was never about Afghanistan and always about Iran, and for some reason this administration (actually Trump, too) no longer saw any utility to a strong military presence and major air base that close to Iran’s western frontier.

        Brits, check. Russians, check. Americans, check. Chinese try next? I pity any foolish Afghans unaware of our history of abandoning allies….

        1. Abandoning? $2T in aid, 20 years of training 300,000 security forces.. hardly an abandonment. It was a failure of policy makers’ understanding of Afghan history & culture and USMIL lies to policy makers about its progress. I want to ask all those pundits and retired politicians and military flag rank officers who are decrying their surprise at this collapse how many average Afghan civilians and soldiers they ever talked to. I am not surprised at all given my experience.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Once I had a cat. It had been a stray for a long time. The people who lived in the house before I got there originally took the cat in. The cat had been through a lot. So much so that it really couldn’t be domesticated. It cost a lot of money to keep the cat. I knew the people who took the cat in made a mistake. But I also knew that if I just put the cat out into the wild it wouldn’t survive. It had gotten too used to surviving based on my support and the support of those who preceded me in the house . Hell, I stayed in the house for quite a while and never did anything about the cat when I had the chance but I was just a guest, not the homeowner.

            Once I became the homeowner, what did I do?

            I threw the cat into the wild where it was slowly hacked and clawed to death while I went on vacation at Camp David.

            I didn’t care. It was just a brown cat anyway.

            A Joe Biden Children’s Story.

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Once I had a cat. It had been a stray for a long time. The people who lived in the house before I got there originally took the cat in. The cat had been through a lot. So much so that it really couldn’t be domesticated. It cost a lot of money to keep the cat. I knew the people who took the cat in made a mistake. But I also knew that if I just put the cat out into the wild it wouldn’t survive. It had gotten too used to surviving based on my support and the support of those who preceded me in the house . Hell, I stayed in the house for quite a while and never did anything about the cat when I had the chance but I was just a guest, not the homeowner.

            Once I became the homeowner, what did I do?

            I threw the cat into the wild where it was slowly hacked and clawed to death while I went on vacation at Camp David.

            I didn’t care. It was just a brown cat anyway.

            A Joe Biden Children’s Story.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            There’s a wonderful story that describes Afghanistan perfectly. It’s a Southern tale about a fox catching a rabbit with an afghan knitted from sticky strings.

            Can’t say the real thing. ‘Tain’t PC, don’cha know.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Brits twice. Or was it the Russians twice. Or both. Chinese learned not to try just watching Ghengis Khan and Tamerlane. Only India has ever succeed in holding Afghanistan for any time, 800 years, and as soon as they left, it went to $#!t in a hand basket.

          Nobody laughs at my George Tenet to GW email joke so I’ll keep saying it. The text read, “Attack Iraq. WMD is a slamduqk!”

          Sadly, we are an incredibly duplicitous lot, and it’s entirely because of our bipolar political system. It carries into our international affairs. The Democrats and Republicans should agree to set the Dept. of State and the Military up as strictly independent. DoJ too. That way, the only people we screw are the voters.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Invaders in Afghanistan are like tides in the Couesnon River. Water comes, water goes, the sand remains.

    We could have done everything differently and the result would have been the same. The Taliban retaking the place are not some hoard sweeping down out of the hills. They’re walking out of their houses, where they always lived, in the cities that are falling.

    Some Brit, maybe Kitchener, said of the place that a large army cannot be sustained and a small one would be cut to shreds. Water comes. Water goes.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I only met one SEAL that I know of. He was fishing near Chesapeake Light back in the late 80s, or early 90s, when his boat swamped and sank. He spent hours clinging to the barnacle encrusted structure to keep from being swept to sea. He was torn to shreds, but he saved himself and his girlfriend. His wife didn’t think much of it.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Don’t give up the alias.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        It’s 100% true. You could find the story in the Pilot archives, I’m sure. It was a remarkable rescue and a feat of superhuman strength. He held her away from the structure.

        BTW, no worries on the alias and don’t shoot the messenger.

  4. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “Afghanistan in June of this year was not at peace but it was effectively pacified. Not a single NATO soldier, airman, Marine or SPECOPS warrior had been killed in Afghanistan 18 months. The Afghan army faced little combat opposition.”

    June. Let Capt Sherlock’s comments roll around in your head for a minute. Less that two months ago Afghanistan was pacified. Now it’s on the brink of catastrophe (or well into catastrophe perhaps) with executions, kidnapping, the taking of sex slaves and the complete disappearance of ny rights whatsoever for women.

    Why?

    Because the Crash Test Dummy we elected president is a fossilized codger who doesn’t need to waste his valuable time listening to his military advisors.

    Shortly after Lloyd J. Austin III was sworn in as defense secretary on Jan. 22, he and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recommended to Mr. Biden that 3,000 to 4,500 troops stay in Afghanistan, nearly double the 2,500 troops there. On Feb. 3, a congressionally appointed panel led by a retired four-star Marine general, Joseph F. Dunford Jr., publicly recommended that Mr. Biden abandon the exit deadline of May 1 and further reduce American forces only as security conditions improved.

    A report by the panel assessed that withdrawing troops on a strict timeline rather than how well the Taliban adhered to the agreement heightened the risk of a potential civil war once international forces left.

    Biden couldn’t listen. Once can only imagine Biden standing in the Rose Garden, facing the direction in which he thinks the Pentagon lies, shaking his fist in the air and yelling, “Teenagers!”

    Now millions of “people of color” and especially “women of color” will go through a hell that will make Kendi’s worst nightmare about structural racism in America seem like a fairy tale.

    The Crash Test Dummy doesn’t care.

    In the shriveled mind of Joe Biden support for “people of color” only counts if those “people of color” can and will cast Democratic votes in US elections.

  5. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    In late March, Mr. Austin and General Milley made a last-ditch effort with the president by forecasting dire outcomes in which the Afghan military folded in an aggressive advance by the Taliban. They drew comparisons to how the Iraqi military was overrun by the Islamic State in 2014 after American combat troops left Iraq, prompting Mr. Obama to send American forces back.

    “We’ve seen this movie before,” Mr. Austin told Mr. Biden, according to officials with knowledge of the meetings.

    But the president was unmoved. If the Afghan government could not hold off the Taliban now, aides said he asked, when would they be able to? None of the Pentagon officials could answer the question.

    On the morning of April 6, Mr. Biden told Mr. Austin and General Milley he wanted all American troops out by Sept. 11.

    Trump wanted to pull out by last Christmas. He was warned of the consequences. So he reluctantly stayed the course. Not Biden. Dead “people of color” and sex trafficked “women of color” are just collateral damage in the nightmare known as the Obama – Clinton – Biden foreign policy machine.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Sometimes all it takes is 3 days to change our minds.
      4 February 1984 — “Yes, the situation in Lebanon is difficult, frustrating, and dangerous. But that is no reason to turn our backs on friends and to cut and run. If we do, we’ll be sending one signal to terrorists everywhere: They can gain by waging war against innocent people.”

      7 February 1984, the President ordered the withdrawal and we began to beat feet to the ships.

      The last American troops left their positions guarding the flank of some French peacekeepers without mentioning it to them.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Vietnam, Lebanon, Mogadishu, Kabul. How many more?

        Our government is a train wreak yet many on the left want nothing more than to make it bigger, more powerful, more intrusive. Give it a larger share of the GDP through socialist style taxes and hope for the best?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          As many as it takes until those on the Right stop making jokes about the French retreating. “For sale. French assault rifle. Only dropped once.”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Thanks for the additional depth, DJ.

      I chose to honor our local SEALs and their families. Your comments add important color to the story.

      Austin and Milley, if they are true to themselves and their calling, will resign.

      They should resign because either:
      A. they gave the President good advice and he rejected it; or
      B. because they gave him bad advice and he accepted it.

      In either case, they were ineffective at a crucial time.

      At the end of our lives, we will be judged and will judge ourselves about whether we were true to ourselves, our values and those that depended on us.

      For every man and woman, that will be a complex accounting.

      For a Defense Secretary and a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, this one is straightforward.

  6. We can argue endlessly over whether we should have stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years, if our efforts at nation-building were misguided, etc. What cannot be argued is that we have thoroughly botched the exit. The situation looks to be every bit as humiliating as the fall of Saigon. Actually, that would be the best-case scenario. The worst case scenario is that a battalion of Marines gets trapped in Kabul before we can pull them out. Mogadishu on a grand scale. God, I hope that doesn’t happen.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Then why mention it? Unless it assures 2022, and 2024. I have no doubt it will be used, should it happen. Even if we leave without casualties, both parties will stand on the war dead every two years and really jump up and down on them in leap years.

      There have been loads of monumental screw ups. Chinese embassy, anyone? Phnom Penh. There has been even more small screw ups, like Italian cable cars. That list is way too long to write.

      Why, I’m surprised you didn’t immediately go to Benghazi.

      “Yes, the situation in Lebanon is difficult, frustrating, and dangerous. But that is no reason to turn our backs on friends and to cut and run. If we do, we’ll be sending one signal to terrorists everywhere: They can gain by waging war against innocent people.”

      Three days later we turned and walked as opposed to cutting and running.

      In our brief history of almost 250 years, we have been involved in nearly 300 major military actions. Bound to get one or two right eventually.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “What cannot be argued is that we have thoroughly botched the exit. ”

      That was always going to be a given, this has been evident of our past since Vietnam. Where we left out partner forces high and dry. The number of Yards and South Vietnamese who were placed into “reeducation” camps or flat out flat out killed because they helped our Special Forces is astronomical.

      This is the product of a Congress who’s oldest members spent Vietnam seeking deferments and the GWOT members have no power to override those cowards.

  7. John Harvie Avatar
    John Harvie

    Let me beat a dead horse. This is just one more example of the (in my mind) old debated question of why and how long we can continue to be almost singlehandedly be the world’s defender and bailer-outer and financer – in someone’s military conflict. Or how long we should have to maintain troops in such places as Korea and Europe for DECADES.

    Forget the debt implications, there’s another crisis somewhere in the world so let’s expend our human resources and treasury solving it, largely singlehandedly. Mind you, I’m not talking humane interventions like hurricane relief to the Bahamas or earthquake assistance in Haiti.

    Our financial (debt) situation becomes more fragile and our enemies just sit by and wait. And wait. And wait. And wait for our inflation to eclipse that of Venezuela’s.

    And meanwhile our populace take sides and tear the fabric of our society asunder with crap like CRT.

    Maybe Powell will save us by issuing crypto currency.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Problem is that doing nothing is not a option, but doing the same thing over and over without success isn’t either. We’re going to have to be more inventive.

      The Afghanistan debacle can be trace back to April 2001 and has one heartless, literally, bastard’s fingerprints all over it.

      One thing of which I am certain: someplace deep in the bowels at the Pentagon, Langley, the WH, and the Dept. of State, there are copies of a Rand report, written during the Truman years, that is heavily dog eared, highlighted, and read with reverence by every high level appointee. That report is entitled something akin to “How to Succeed Where Britain Failed”. We must find those copies and destroy them.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        Agreed and it probably included the Russians as well

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        “The Afghanistan debacle can be trace back to April 2001 and has one heartless, literally, bastard’s fingerprints all over it.”

        The Afghan debacle can be traced back to Joe Biden.

        He was warned by his own military advisors.

        Over the last 18 months, Americans were not dying in Afghanistan .

        There was no need to rush.

        Biden is an idiot.

      3. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        “The Afghanistan debacle can be trace back to April 2001 and has one heartless, literally, bastard’s fingerprints all over it.”

        The Afghan debacle can be traced back to Joe Biden.

        He was warned by his own military advisors.

        Over the last 18 months, Americans were not dying in Afghanistan .

        There was no need to rush.

        Biden is an idiot.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Let the recriminations begin!

    “I’m sure all the generals will dash off and write books about the blunders made by other generals, and statesmen will publish their secret diaries that will show beyond any shadow of doubt that war could easily have been avoided in the first place. And the rest of us, of course, will be left with the job of bandaging the wounded and burying the dead.”

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      and raising the debt ceiling

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Seems premature. The final chapter of an empty suited buffoon screwing up is being written as we speak.

  9. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Capt. Sherlock,

    I read and respected this post. The real message is never mess with Afghanistan. I am no aviator or Seal but I am a journalist and in January 1989 I was working for Business Week in Moscow. It
    was a time of great hope because Gorbachev and Reagan had worked out a very unlikely relationship. Gorbachev wanted out of the war which most Soviet citizens quietly hated.

    The Foreign Ministry wanted to show the world it was leaving. That’s where we came him. At our expense but through their arrangement, we went on a charter to Tashkent, the capital of the then
    Republic of Uzbekistan, the major staging province. After a couple days we were transferred to purely military aircraft operated by very nasty looking soldiers and airmen. On the larger transports at the last air force base (maybe K2?) they were putting rocket thrusters on the sides of the planes’ wide fuselages.

    This was Reagan president’s gift. They were bound for Kabul or Kandahar with supplies and Reagan had introduced heat-seeking Stringers a year or two before. As the aircraft approached they had to go into a steep dive and pop off the flares to avoid the heat seeking Stinger missiles which were shoulder held.

    We ended up at our final destination. Lots of helicopter gunships and APC (called BMPs and BPMs). Lots of plumpish, friendly Uzbek girls dressed in full CCCP Pioneer regalia and holding bundles of bright flowers.

    Soon, the convoy was rumbling across the ancient bridge. Cheers! Hand waving! Hurra! Blowing kisses! They had been beaten by the Mejahadden, our guys.

    I chatted up one girl to ask what she though of it. “It’s been great. They’ve had us practicing for four days at the parade ground and they let us out of school.”

    We left, but there was a (systemic) racist leftover. Some of the toughest Soviet troops there were paratroopers. They wore distinctive Navy like blue and white striped T shirts. On
    “Paratroopers Day” they would get drunk and go to open food markets and beat the crap out of, or kill, any dark-skinned person.

    A great movie about this which you can stream, is’ “9th Company” that ca

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Peter! Welcome back. Hopefully, you’ll continue dropping by or, better yet, writing some articles.

      You say the lesson is “don’t mess with Afghanistan”. That seems clear now. However, this seems eerily similar to what happened in Vietnam regardless of Biden’s July 8th ramblings.

      I’d argue that the larger lesson is either ….

      1. Nobody can “nation build” a third world country through use of force, or –

      2. If you want to “nation build” a third world country through use of force it will take at least two generations, or 40 years.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        DJ you’re correct, Nation building isn’t an objective of the Military and it’s not an mission with a clear and defined objective. That leads to nothing but missions creep and a forever war.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          My veteran Dad used to quote a saying from Vietnam … you can’t bomb people back into the stone age when they already are in the stone age.

          Yet progressives continue to insist that the solution to our problems is a bigger, more invasive government.

          Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “My veteran Dad used to quote a saying from Vietnam … you can’t bomb people back into the stone age when they already are in the stone age.”

            Vietnam consisted of two separate wars. The one that the public knew about and the one that MACV and the like fought.

            Our politicians tied our hands before the outset of the War with the neutrality agreements that the North never adhered.

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            My Dad was there. I wasn’t. I believe you but if my Dad knew you couldn’t bomb people already in the stone age back to the stone age in 1970 – how did we try again in … say 2005?

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            That’s a question for Gen. (ret) Colin Powell, we operated under his Doctrine of you break it you bought it.

          4. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            It’s like Vietnam never happened.

            But let’s all support Pelosi and tax Americans more so we can have an even bigger government.

            God know the government we have is working so well.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            It just feeds into Reagan’s 9 most dangerous words statement.

            Individuals like Speaker Pelosi, whom have been in politics their entire life (her parents were Politicians and she was raised as one) are a danger to society no matter which party they ascribe, they will always seek to enlarge their own power and fortune before the Nation’s well being.

          6. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            I agree with that. Every time I see Mitch McConnell on TV I wince.

            If term limits make sense for presidents … why not Congresspeople too?

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Chuck Grassley would cause the same stir as well.

  10. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    On July 8, 2021 the crash test dummy we now call president held a news conference. He was asked questions about Afghanistan. Here are some exact quotes from that news conference …

    Q Is a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable?

    Crash Test Dummy Biden: No, it is not.

    Q Why?

    Crash Test Dummy Biden: Because you — the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable.

    Q Mr. President, some Vietnamese veterans see echoes of their experience in this withdrawal in Afghanistan. Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam, with some people feeling —

    Crash Test Dummy Biden: None whatsoever. Zero. What you had is — you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy — six, if I’m not mistaken.

    The Taliban is not the south — the North Vietnamese army. They’re not — they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the — of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.

    Q Mr. — Mr. President, I — thank you. I wanted to ask: With the benefit of hindsight, you’ve spoken to the fact that the Taliban are sort of at their militarily strongest point that you’ve seen in 20 years. How do you feel personally about that, with the benefit of hindsight and all of the dollars and investments and American troops that were sent there?

    Crash Test Dummy Biden: Relative to the training and capacity of the ANSF and the training of the federal police, they’re not even close in terms of their capacity.

    I was making the point — the point was that here we were; I was — the argument is, “Well, we could stay because no one was dying. No Americans are being shot. So why leave?” Once the agreement was made by the last administration that we were going to leave by May 1st, it was very clear that a Taliban that had always been a problem was even a more sophisticated problem than they were than before. Not more sophisticated than the ANSF, the government. More than they were.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/08/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-drawdown-of-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan/

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Trump wanted to withdraw too. But he didn’t. Why? Because he correctly understood the implications of a sudden withdrawal. Presumably he was listening to his military advisors who told him the consequences of a sudden withdrawal. Word has it that Biden was told of these consequences too. By his own military advisors. He either didn’t believe them, didn’t care or is too mentally foggy to understand what he was hearing. Either way, Captain Sherlock was right … those advisors need to resign.

      1. Every USMIL officer still on active duty which was in charge of training the 300K Afghan security forces must be fired or resign. It’s akin to a coach having 20 months to prepare the team, then going 0-34 for the season without scoring a single goal.

        But that won’t happen. No one at flag rank [other than when a USN Captain’s ship hits something] is every held accountable.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          More like a coach having 20 years to prepare. But I take your point.

          I think you hit the nail on the head when you wrote “Our mission in Afghanistan was accomplished in the Spring of 2002.”

          Biden was part and parcel of perpetuating the ongoing mess from his perch in the Obama Administration. However, it is fair to say that he inherited full responsibility for the mess upon his inauguration.

          However, Capt Sherlock made an excellent point – “Afghanistan in June of this year was not at peace but it was effectively pacified. Not a single NATO soldier, airman, Marine or SPECOPS warrior had been killed in Afghanistan 18 months. The Afghan army faced little combat opposition. ”

          Against that backdrop, Biden ordered a sudden withdrawal apparently in the hope of accomplishing that withdrawal by Sept 11, 2021 – the 20th anniversary of 9/11.

          There was no rush other than Biden’s seeming interest in scoring a publicity coup.

          Could a slower and more orderly withdrawal have avoided the carnage we are now seeing or was this carnage inevitable given what we did?

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      In other words, 5 weeks ago Biden was totally deluded as to what was likely to happen if America withdrew. Today, Biden upped the number of American soldiers he will send to Afghanistan to evacuate the embassy from 3,000 to 5,000. Five weeks ago our mentally foggy president insisted that there was “None whatsoever. Zero.” chance that the evacuation of our embassy would be like the evacuation of Vietnam. So, why 5,000 new troops in a withdrawal?

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Also, here’s a question. Biden said, “What you had is — you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy — six, if I’m not mistaken.”

        Six brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy in Saigon?

        I don’t know how the North Vietnamese Army was organized. But isn’t a brigade normally 3,000 to 5,000 soldiers? If so, 6 brigades would be 18,000 to 30,000 soldiers.

        I was still pretty young when our embassy in Saigon fell but could there possibly have been 18,000 to 30,000 North Vietnamese soldiers “breaking through the gates of our embassy”?

  11. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Anybody care to speculate on the “knock on” effects of this debacle in Afghanistan? For example, as the Chi-Comms stare at Taiwan how does this unfolding disaster affect their thinking? As the Russians stare across Donbas at the rest of Ukraine, how does this affect their thinking? As the Iranians look at Israel, how does this affect their thinking?

    A weak and confused US President just starting his term usually does not bode well for world peace. From the British perspective, remember Neville Chamberlin.

    Beyond that, the Obama / Biden Administration had a rather poor foreign policy record. Arab Spring, anybody? How has that been working out?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.”

      “Obviously, I didn’t think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.”

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Big difference. First, we won that one. Second, we didn’t invade Iraq. Third, we did not engage in “nation building”.

        But … nice try at deflection for your crash test dummy president.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Sure, we won. If you don’t look at what happened after 1992. We might’ve been in better shape letting Saddam actually have Kuwait. Again, our solution? Military.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Well … Biden will certainly let the ChiComs have Taiwan and Russia have Ukraine so I guess the progressive trajectory is set.

            Now, can we just admit we don’t give a damn about anybody, exit NATO and wind down our 800+ foreign military bases?

            The money we are wasting on the Pentagon is needed for pronoun revitalization at home.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Puleeeze… it’s the briar patch you’ve always wanted.

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Your boy Slow Joe screwed the pooch. Nobody else. No briar patch. No predecessor.

            The man is a disgrace.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Right. You finally got the right word, MAN. If we wanted them to fight and win in Afghanistan we would have trained a 3000,000 woman force. Skin in the game.

          5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            The military solution worked in that case. I was part of it.

            Your solution? Even with unsullied hindsight?

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Ya know, Bitcoin has its advantages to Dollars.
      Rather than President Ashraf Ghani carrying out suitcases of US cash, the CIA could have emptied his Wallet before his plane took off.

      1. but did he go to this villa in Switzerland or the one in Monaco?

        https://af.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-embassy-kabul-afghanistan-15/

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          US Foreign Policy — take money from the poor in America and create rich people in poor countries.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Are you talking about the COVID relief fund scam / scandal or Afghanistan?

            Both are epic fails of big government.

            But let’s all support Snake Face Pelosi’s efforts to tie a trillion dollar infrastructure bill to a $3.4 trillion dollar spending package.

            God knows, big government sure look appealing right now.

  12. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Well, I just downloaded some movies to watch instead of the news, “55 Days at Peking” is the first one. Anybody know what it’s about?

    1. The Boxer Rebellion — told from the viewpoint of the imperialists. Imagine the movie Zulu set in China.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Wow! Great comparison, James, except “Zulu” carried more anti-war overtones and no romantic elements. I found that “Zulu” and “Bridge on the River Kwai” to be similar in portraying the madness.

  13. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Thank you for writing this and God bless and protect all who wear a uniform and protect us.

  14. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    I chose not to write about much of what the comments discuss. I will yield to the Wall Street Journal.

    Worse is his attempt to blame his decisions on Mr. Trump: “When I came to office, I inherited a deal cut by my predecessor—which he invited the Taliban to discuss at Camp David on the eve of 9/11 of 2019—that left the Taliban in the strongest position militarily since 2001 and imposed a May 1, 2021 deadline on U.S. forces. Shortly before he left office, he also drew U.S. forces down to a bare minimum of 2,500. Therefore, when I became President, I faced a choice—follow through on the deal, with a brief extension to get our forces and our allies’ forces out safely, or ramp up our presence and send more American troops to fight once again in another country’s civil conflict.”

    Note that Mr. Biden is more critical of his predecessor than he is of the Taliban. The President has spent seven months ostentatiously overturning one Trump policy after another on foreign and domestic policy. Yet he now claims Afghanistan policy is the one he could do nothing about.

    This is a pathetic denial of his own agency, and it’s also a false choice. It’s as if Winston Churchill, with his troops surrounded at Dunkirk, had declared that Neville Chamberlain got him into this mess and the British had already fought too many wars on the Continent.

    Mr. Trump’s withdrawal deadline was a mistake, but Mr. Biden could have maneuvered around it. He knows this because his Administration conducted an internal policy review that provided him with options. The Taliban had already violated its pledges under the deal. Mr. Biden could have maintained the modest presence his military and foreign-policy advisers suggested. He could have decided to withdraw but done so based on conditions on the ground while preparing the Afghans with a plan for transition and air support.

    Instead he ordered a rapid and total withdrawal at the onset of the annual fighting season in time for the symbolic target date of 9/11. Most of the American press at the time hailed his decision as courageous.

    The result a mere four months later is the worst U.S. humiliation since the fall of Saigon in 1975. The Taliban is saying it wants a “peaceful transfer of power” in Kabul, but the scenes are still redolent of U.S. defeat. The scramble to destroy classified documents. The helicopters evacuating U.S. diplomats. The abandonment into Taliban hands of valuable U.S. military equipment.

    Worst of all is the plight of the Afghans who assisted the U.S. over two decades. Mr. Biden said Saturday that the 5,000 U.S. troops he is sending will help in evacuating Afghans and Americans. But there are thousands of translators, their families, and other officials who are in peril from Taliban rule and didn’t get out in time. (See nearby.) The Biden Administration was far too slow to get them out of the country despite urgent warnings. The murder of these innocents will compound the stain on the Biden Presidency.

    The consequences of all this will play out over many months and years, and none will be good. The illusion, indulged on the left and right, that the U.S. can avoid the world’s horrors while gardening its entitlement state, is sure to come home to haunt. Adversaries are taking Mr. Biden’s measure, and there will be more trouble ahead. The costs will be all the more painful because the ugliness of this surrender was so unnecessary.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, for 18 years, the Pentagon has claimed success of their mission. Guess not.

      The bright picture is that “there is no shooting war” — it’s done — which will minimize the refugee problem. People run from guns and bombs, they walk from injustice.

      The rapidity with which the Afghan government fell only proves, that absent a continued military presence, this was the right action. Band Aid gone.

      Surrender? I must have missed something. We left. I don’t recall any surrender. We left with a fully trained Afghan force in place that was predicted by OUR expert military to be able to hold the country after we were gone.

      If anything, the JCS should be held to the fire for a rosy “worse case scenario”.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Can you imagine the howls of outrage that would have accompanied Trump if he would have done what Biden has done? The screeching screams of incompetence, Islamaphobia, racism, etc that would be leveled at Trump if he would have abandoned our Muslim allies in Afghanistan after 20 years? The weeping cries of woe that Afghans can’t easily immigrate the to US while South Americans pout across our southern border.

      The true face of liberalism in America has never been as clear as it is now.

      Now the wretched senile bastard we elected is trying o blame his predecessor?

      Shame! Not just on Biden but on all the progressives who support him.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        This is not a failure of Liberal or Conservative. It’s a failure of colonialism, of an attempt to pick up where Britain left off.

        For the past sixty years we have tried to do with the military what these folks taught the Chinese 70 years ago…
        https://i2.wp.com/www.china-briefing.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/china-coca1.png?ssl=1&resize=350%2C200

        China won’t go into Afghanistan with a military. They ain’t that stupid. They’ll invade with bankers.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          The mindless retreat from a war where Americans weren’t dying is a failure of Joe Biden. Period. Nobody else. He was warned by his own advisors.

          Elect an idiot, get idiocy.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          The mindless retreat from a war where Americans weren’t dying is a failure of Joe Biden. Period. Nobody else. He was warned by his own advisors.

          Elect an idiot, get idiocy.

  15. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Back to the burka again… like Covid, if it exists anywhere, it can be found everywhere.
    https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-sltrib.s3.amazonaws.com/public/WZNP5JB44NECVF4MSMWTQPQMZY.jpg

  16. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “It was never a Navy war.”

    But Taiwan will be. And tens of thousands of Virginians will be at risk of death at the command of a mentally foggy president.

    If history teaches us anything … Afghanistan will only be the begining.

    Maybe Slow Joe and Blithering Blinken oought to start working on Taiwan and Ukraine now.

  17. Byron Olson Avatar
    Byron Olson

    Good article by my former skipper Jim Sherlock. As a father of a Navy SEAL, his frustration at the lack of effective leadership is apparent. General Miley and Secretary Austin are well read on white supremacy and the “woke” movement but are asleep at the wheel when it comes to National security. Aside from abandoning the loyal Afghan’s which is egregious, we have turned over all our top tier military weapons to the Taliban. This will put American lives at risk if we ever have to go back. Which will most likely be the case to rescue trapped Americans. Yes, both of these individuals need to resign.

    1. within a year the equipment the US left will be scrap metal…they don’t do maintenance…..

  18. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    38 million Afghanis. What percentage should we relocate? 10%? Well, we could repopulate Detroit.

    If Virginia took in, oh say, 30,000 Afghani refugees, Youngkin’s dream of manufacturing in Virginia could steal away from China this most significant industry…

    https://observer.com/2017/02/life-of-a-mardi-gras-bead-plastics-consumerism-new-orleans-toxicity-globalization-china/

    1. For those in the know, the correct term for someone from that land is ‘Afghan’. Afghani is the monetary unit.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Afghan is a blanket.

  19. The latest press reports say that between 5,000 and 10,000 Americans may be trapped in Kabul, unable to reach the American-controlled airport. Meanwhile, Taliban are going house to house searching for Westerners. This is shaping up to be the Iran hostage crisis on steroids.

    Meanwhile, I hope the military has a good plan for getting troops out of the airport should the Taliban decide to lay siege and start shooting at planes.

    I am praying this doesn’t turn into the greatest debacle in the long and storied tradition of American screw-ups abroad.

    1. So our vaunted State Dept is telling those Americans caught behind enemy lines to hide out until they are contacted to make their way to Kabul Airport and the safety of a ring of USMC and Paratrooper steel… and hope the Taliban doesn’t come knocking…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bdd82edd9aedfdea07ca355f74eb5ec8a476cd0c3523b582f6fc091a10d4e1e5.jpg glad
      it’s on the job…..

      1. And if you’re looking for a job……. these people are idiots and must be fired from my tax support
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/35eb0a41cc3d663fde4dfca44f0db440e44abd28872428e4f25d1cfef9ff1771.jpg

  20. R. Kooi Avatar

    “…The US war on Afghanistan was not lost yesterday in Kabul. It was lost the moment it shifted from a limited mission to apprehend those who planned the attack on 9/11 to an exercise in regime change and nation-building.

    Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I proposed that we issue letters of marque and reprisal to bring those responsible to justice. But such a limited and targeted response to the attack was ridiculed at the time. How could the US war machine and all its allied profiteers make their billions if we didn’t put on a massive war?

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