UVa Tragedy Reasonably Preventable? State Investigation Required

by James C. SherlockUpdated Nov. 15, 2020 at 8:36 AM (see end of article)

UVa President Jim Ryan

We have two related pieces of information about the UVa tragedy that call into question the effectiveness of the University’s state-mandated threat-assessment process.

We have the statements of senior University officials.

And we have Code of Virginia § 23.1-805. Violence prevention committee; threat assessment team, which mandates:

Each public institution of higher education shall establish policies and procedures for the prevention of violence on campus, including assessment of and intervention with individuals whose behavior poses a threat to the safety of the campus community.

The statements call directly into question whether the University carried out its responsibilities under that law.

The information available suggests that the Attorney General, one of whose Deputy A.G.s is the University Counsel, will likely convene an investigation led by the State Police.

I offer some information to assist in that investigation.

The University. The first is today’s press conference.

At that event, UVa Police Chief Tim Longo indicated that Mr. Jones had been brought to the attention of the University Threat Assessment Team. From  The Daily Progress:

(Suspected shooter Chris) Jones caught the attention of the UVa Police Department Threat Assessment team earlier this year when his name appeared in a hazing investigation, according to UVa Police chief Tim Longo. During the investigation, police found that Jones had been charged with having a concealed weapon in February, 2021. According to Longo, the hazing investigation was closed because witnesses would not cooperate.

UVa Vice President and Chief Student Affairs Officer Robyn Hadley confirmed that earlier this fall, Student Affairs told UVa police that Jones told someone unaffiliated with the university that he had a gun. Jones’ roommate told police that he had never actually seen the gun, according to Longo.

I watched the press conference.

Chief Longo manned up. He clearly expected — he said as much — to be challenged by reporters on the very questions I will raise here, but if he was asked about it, I did not see it on the video.

The Multidisciplinary Violence Prevention Committee and Threat Assessment Team (TAT) consists of, but is not limited to, the following representatives:

  • Associate Vice President of Safety and Security
  • Counseling and Psychological Services (CAPS)
  • Director of Threat AssessmentEd Markowski 
  • Faculty and Employee Assistance Program (FEAP)
  • Faculty Representative
  • Medical Center Security
  • Student Affairs
  • Office for Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights
  • Office of University Counsel
  • Patient Safety/Risk Management
  • University & Medical Center Employee Relations
  • University Police Department

So we see the University’s DEI bureaucracy was involved in assessing what should be done in the case of Mr. Jones, a Black student.

A history of selective action. There is a history of actions by the TAT that are at best hard to reconcile. I’ll recall two of them.

First, we encountered the TAT here on BR in April of 2021 when the University and the TAT famously dealt with a medical student who had a political run-in with medical school faculty members:

On October 25, 2018, Bhattacharya attended a panel discussion on “microaggressions” sponsored by the American Medical Women’s Association (“AMWA”) at UVA Medical School. A presentation was given by a Med School professor on her research on microaggressions. Bhattacharya openly, and the University contends aggressively, challenged that research.

Thus began a spiral of actions that resulted in Bhattacharya being involuntarily committed to the psych ward at UVa hospital, being banned from the Grounds of the University, and being expelled from medical school.

He was first remanded to a psychiatric exam, then banned from the Grounds by the TAT and then expelled.

For microaggressions. No guns. No actual threats.

In that same month, that same organization did not act when, as I reported here on BR, Nickolaus Cabrera, a first year student at the University of Virginia and conservative student leader on the Student Council, reported to President Ryan that he was being harassed and threatened.

Mr. Cabrera in a letter provided President Ryan extensive and well-documented evidence of severe personal harassment and threats he had received from members of the University community for his political views.

Ryan’s response began:

Thank you for reaching out, and I was sorry to read about your year.

I called President Ryan’s letter detached, clueless, pedantic and non-responsive. I hope he did not take it the wrong way.

Then I personally, as an alumnus, reported the threat information from Mr. Cabrera to Chief Longo.

Crickets.

Now we have a case in which there was a trail of evidence that dwarfs those of either of those cases. Nothing was done. Three students are dead.

Black students. Returning from a play.  Shot by a Black student with a dangerous history of which the University was aware.

The law. § 23.1-805 requires both a violence prevention committee and a threat assessment team.

C. Each violence prevention committee shall … (iv) establish policies and procedures for (a) the assessment of individuals whose behavior may present a threat, (b) appropriate means of intervention with such individuals, and (c) sufficient means of action, including interim suspension, referrals to community services boards or health care providers for evaluation or treatment, medical separation to resolve potential physical threats, and notification of family members or guardians, or both, unless such notification would prove harmful to the individual in question, consistent with state and federal law.

And

E. Each threat assessment team shall establish relationships or utilize existing relationships with mental health agencies and local and state law-enforcement agencies to expedite assessment of and intervention with individuals whose behavior may present a threat to safety. Upon a preliminary determination that an individual poses a threat of violence to self or others or exhibits significantly disruptive behavior or a need for assistance, the threat assessment team may obtain criminal history record information as provided in §§ 19.2-389 and 19.2-389.1 and health records as provided in § 32.1-127.1:03.

Chief Longo admitted he had accessed the criminal history of Mr. Jones, the alleged shooter now in custody.

“The hazing investigation was closed because witnesses would not cooperate.”

Good to know. It does not explain why the TAT did not pursue the multiple streams of evidence that suggested Mr. Jones may have posed a threat.

It took me 45 seconds of a web search to turn up the report that Mr. Jones had an emotionally troubled history “fractured family, school fighting and suspensions” in high school.

Chief Longo is a good cop.  Unless proven otherwise, we must assume that he, and the TAT, had that information.  Or should have.

Bottom line. There is more to be discovered about the arrest for having a concealed weapon. We don’t know where that February 2022 arrest took place or the circumstances. But the UVa police did.

That is why Chief Longo expected questions.

He apparently did not get them from reporters present. But I suspect he will get to answer them soon.

So, I expect, will the Office for Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights.

Just to keep things equitable.

Nov 15, 8:36 AM update.  The Richmond Times Dispatch reports that a University spokesperson said that “Jones refused to cooperate with the university’s investigation” and the University “escalated the case (of Mr. Jones) for disciplinary action” on October 27.  

Whatever “escalated” may turn out to mean.  

I note that in the case of the medical student, the University’s attorneys told the judge in the student’s civil suit that “the University’s Threat Assessment Team made a decision to issue a no trespass warning to Plaintiff for a four-year period”.  

Investigators will have to assess the difference between the TAT “issuing a no trespass warning” in the case of the medical student and “escalating the case for disciplinary action” in the case of Mr. Jones.

University policy requires the TAT to document actions taken, so we will find out.

Yet there he was, on the bus with his gun, on Sunday night.  

More than two weeks later.

Nov 16, 4:35 PM update.  According to a report in the Washington Post on the evening of Nov. 15, the statement that the University put out earlier that the TAT had “escalated the case (of the shooter Mr. Jones) for disciplinary action was not true.

It blames the oversight to an “inadvertent mixup”.  You will read they fixed it.

They also reported that the TAT had intended to report the offense to the student-run judiciary committee.

OK.  Seriously?  The judiciary committee?

  • Even the University spokesman “emphasized that student disciplinary proceedings must protect due process and can “customarily take weeks or months.”
  • The second part of that is that the judiciary committee is authorized to investigate and adjudicate alleged violations of the University’s Standards of Conduct.
  • “Judich”’s big cases in the past year have focused on fraternities serving food to guests during rush and violations of COVID policy.  Median and mean case processing times were each 93 days.
  • Readers will be informed to know that the committee accumulates and reports demographic information on the gender and race of each accused.  There are six categories under the heading gender.
  • The individual sanctions awarded in their cases in the past year included writing essays, required presentations, meeting with dean or advisor, community service and one academic suspension.
  • But they dropped the probation and suspension hammer on the fraternities.

And this is the “disciplinary process” to which the TAT neglected to refer Mr. Jones.  For his off-grounds gun conviction, confrontations on grounds, alleged referral to carrying a gun and refusal to cooperate with the TAT’s investigation.

They fixed that yesterday by referring Mr. Jones to the judiciary committee.

While he is sitting in jail under three murder charges.

It’s Dr. Ryan’s ship.  He needs to resign right after he fires every member of the TAT.


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148 responses to “UVa Tragedy Reasonably Preventable? State Investigation Required”

  1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Interesting reading.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    What was the score in Saturday’s game? What was the spread?

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      DEI – 100
      Intellectual Honesty and Curiosity and Pursuit of Truth wherever it may lead – 0
      It’s been hard to watch
      Thanks for your thoughtful contributions to intelligent discourse (Intelligent discourse needs an anti-type so we appreciate your efforts)

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        As possible of a motive as any, thus far.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        As possible of a motive as any, thus far.

  3. I will counsel the same thing in the investigation of this shooting that I did in the investigation of the Homer-statue-noose incident: Let’s refrain from jumping to conclusions. Let’s see how the investigation pans out. Things may not turn out as we expect.

    At the same time, I think Sherlock raises legitimate questions that should be asked, if only to be ruled out. UVa needs to be fully transparent about the actions and decision-making of the Threat Assessment team that failed to assess the worst mass shooting in UVa history. UVa needs to make the documentation public. Any reluctance to do so will be seen by many as having something to hide.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Left hand, meet right hand. Shoulda stopped with your first paragraph and kept your right hand in your pocket.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I must correct you. I provided three examples of the work of the TAT that raise major issues here based on the live testimony of Chief Longo.

      I jumped to questions, not conclusions.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Left hand, meet right hand. Shoulda stopped with your first paragraph and kept your right hand in your pocket.

    4. DJRippert Avatar

      Nobody died in the “Homer – noose” incident. Nobody was hurt. No damage was done. It was a tempest in a teacup.

      Three people are dead in this shooting.

      I don’t want to jump to conclusions on this but we are dealing with vastly different situations. And interestingly, a noose around the neck of long dead White poet was immediately described as a hate crime while the murder of three Black student-athletes apparently receives no such attention from the “woke”.

    5. You guys need to pump the brakes. How much more transparent can they be that in the first opportunity, he came clean that there was a history? Good lord.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        He was transparent. He is a good man. He is not on the TAT.

  4. Is there any information about what each entity brings to the MVPC and TAT discussion? I’d be interested in learning what professional and preventive insight the Office for Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights brings to threat assessments.

    VT created a board which would provide a threat assessment for study abroad programs and the sponsoring professor had a vote in the decision, showing the stupidity of ivory tower antics [like anyone would vote against the free travel abroad he/she had proposed]. I was asked to participate and declined.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You read my mind. That is exactly one of the questions I have. What is the role of the Office for Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights on the Threat Assessment Team?

      If I were the attorney for the families of the dead young men, I would ask that question and just stand back and listen.

      I offered three examples of TAT justice. Look at each, and see if you see any justice in any of them.

      1. Go to the Lawn, Sherlock. If you feel so strongly, go make your case in person.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Are you a graduate of UVa, or did you read about the Lawn in National Geographic?

          1. I am a grad. It helped me develop my sense of human decency. You must have dropped out.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            No. I retained my sense of justice.

          3. Clearly UVa failed you. I’m sure that has nothing to do with your current world view.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            He… and JAB have pretty much disowned UVA..yes..

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yeah, sadly they haven’t stopped disowning it.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            oh, it has to be repeated again and again , over and over… It’s almost like they want to sue their parents!

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I feel the testosterone seeping from your comments. What has been your profession?

          1. Not a wuss.

        3. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Uh, that’s what Bill Ellis did.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    It’s Charlottesville, Va… not Uvalde, Tx. You can expect transparency.

    1. Now THAT is funny…

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Reporting this PM. Shooter was victim of bullying in those fine Henrico schools, transferred to Petersburg for final year, recipient of RTD scholarship. There was a hazing incident at UVa which was closed because of lack of witness/victim cooperation. Was he a bully? Or yet again, a victim. My limited experience has always been that when jocks get shot, it’s their victim getting even.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          “Even?”

          And you accused me of jumping to conclusions.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Conclusions? I don’t think you’ve taken enough time to call it a conclusion.

            Hey, you’re a Republican, even is relative.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Your words, not mine, Bippy.

        2. You might also want to consider severe mental illness. For example, young adult onset schizophrenia often has symptoms, including paranoia, similar to the descriptions of the shooters behavior.

          Obviously we have neither the expertise or the first hand knowledge to make a diagnosis. The similarity of behaviors to symptoms is as plausible as brushing it off as retribution to bullying.

          FWIW, I believe almost all mass murders are expressions of severe mental illness. They are by definition crazed acts.

  6. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    A light speed rush to judgement.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      A light speed rush to questions, Steve.

      1. You’re a ghoul.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Excellent contribution to the conversation. Well thought out, pithy, mature.

          1. But honest, accurate and to the point. Don’t forget that. C’mon, you’re so brave, go to Charlottesville and make your case! Now, I want to see pictures.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      A light speed rush to questions, Steve.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I have forwarded this article to the leadership of the Daily Progress. I am not sure they will follow up given the sensitivity of the topic to their politics, but I hope they will.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        I suspect they will ignore you. Trying to insert yourself in this tragedy and barely-told story this quickly is just your ego talking. Hey, I get you think the leaders of UVA are despicable. We all get it. Right now is not the time to attack. Have you no sense of decency?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Talking?! It’s been shouting all year.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          Good LORD! Haner “gets it”!

          And I think JAB does too.

          Is Sherlock capable of “learning” and reform?

          vote now!

        3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Who speaks for the dead, Steve?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            you speaking for all of them or just the DEI “victims”?

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            There is a process for that. You ain’t part of it, nor shall you successfully insert yourself in it.

        4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I also sent it to the Wall Street Journal. Maybe they will not.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: ” The information available suggests that the Attorney General, one of whose Deputy A.G.’s is the University Counsel, will likely convene an investigation led by the State Police.”

    shades of Ken Cuccinelli!

    Always seems to be a GOP AJ …. VMI better be careful!

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Shades of Uvalde.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        It’s the way they do roll…. The AJ launching an investigation of this would be widely perceived as partisan – yet they do it anyhow!

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Lots of the right people got fired in Uvalde. Wishing that for the leadership of UVa.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The better angels on my shoulder tells me that the Democrats should help the Republicans rid themselves of their demon. Democrats should nominate Liz Cheney for Speaker of the House.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      No. For 2023 to 2025. The SotH can be anyone. They needn’t be a sitting Congressman.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        oh. in that case…..

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          You deleted your comment? Or, did the bots misinterpret some phrase?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            deleted… too much barf…

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Hardly noticed about these parts…

    2. The least they can do is embrace her (and her dad) as one of their own.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        It would effectly split the GOP while bolstering the anti-TEA Party faction

        1. The non wave may be the best thing that could happen to the Repubs. It could get them shed of Trump, and the Teabaggers, and leave them with a candidate in ’24.

          Dems need to figure out how to get shed of Joe and Kamala and figure out a non Gavin/Beto/Pete nominee. House hearings will be illuminating. We’ll see what the Repubs have learned, if anything, from the mistakes of the Jan6 committee debacle.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            They’ve had 3 non-waves. It ain’t done squat.

          2. Trump, Trump, Trump. The gift that will keep on giving until they get shed of him. DoJ may help with the process. Dunno how the Dems get clear of their baggage, but they equally need to.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No. An imperative to be sure. Not equally imperative.

          4. Demented Joe or Kamala, not equally imperative? Really? I don’t expect you to be a Repub, but I hope you understand that Dem poop stinks too. That’s the only hope for getting better in either party.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Demented << criminal intent.

          6. Suffering from dementia. His poop still stinks.

            It is hard for demented people to have intent, criminal or otherwise. Although when Joe had something that passed for a brain criminal intent seems likely with bro Jim and son Hunter as the bag boys.

  9. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    I thought Virginia passed a “red flag” law earlier. If the suspect had been involved in hazing incident and had problems with illegal concealed carry, why the **** didn’t someone at the University or its police force initiate the process? Were UVA’s cops trained in Uvalde, TX?

    Following are some excerpts from the law.

    “Upon the petition of an attorney for the Commonwealth or a law-enforcement officer, a judge of a circuit court, general district court, or juvenile and domestic relations district court or a magistrate, upon a finding that there is probable cause to believe that a person poses a substantial risk of personal injury to himself or others in the near future by such person’s possession or acquisition of a firearm, shall issue an ex parte emergency substantial risk order. Such order shall prohibit the person who is subject to the order from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm for the duration of the order. In determining whether probable cause for the issuance of an order exists, the judge or magistrate shall consider any relevant evidence, including any recent act of violence, force, or threat as defined in § 19.2-152.7:1 by such person directed toward another person or toward himself. No petition shall be filed unless an independent investigation has been conducted by law enforcement that determines that grounds for the petition exist.”

    And if the order is issued, it’s good for 14 days and then a hearing is held to determine whether a substantial risk order should be issued. If proven by clear and convincing evidence that the “person poses a substantial risk of personal injury to himself or to other individuals in the near future by such person’s possession or acquisition of a firearm, the court shall issue a substantial risk order. Such order shall prohibit the person who is subject to the order from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm for the duration of the order. In determining whether clear and convincing evidence for the issuance of an order exists, the judge shall consider any relevant evidence including any recent act of violence, force, or threat as defined in § 19.2-152.7:1 by such person directed toward another person or toward himself. The order shall contain a statement (i) informing the person who is subject to the order of the requirements and penalties under § 18.2-308.1:6, including that it is unlawful for such person to purchase, possess, or transport a firearm for the duration of the order and that such person is required to surrender his concealed handgun permit if he possesses such permit, and (ii) advising such person to voluntarily relinquish any firearm that has not been taken into custody to the law-enforcement agency that served the emergency substantial risk order.”

    Apparently with sufficient evidence, the order can be extended for as long as 180 days. However, the law provides that “Nothing herein shall limit the number of extensions that may be requested or issued. ”

    Ten to one, someone decided that, since the suspect was black (as were his victims), it wouldn’t be equitable to seek relief under the red flag law.

    Why pass laws when they aren’t enforced?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      That is the procedure for going to court. Because of Virginia’s law on college Threat Assessments, the University did not need to go to court to ban him.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        My point is that red flag laws are supposed to a key element of “sensible gun regulations.” (If written properly and implemented based on evidence and with appropriate notice and hearing, I personally think they can be reasonable.) So why wasn’t the law used in this situation? Why does Fairfax County have 177 actions under the law and C’ville and Albemarle County have none? Why does Richmond have none?

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Excellent question. Provide the reference and I will gladly add it to my list.

  10. Jim Loving Avatar

    James completely undermined the point he was making with this comment:

    “So we see the University’s DEI bureaucracy was involved in assessing what should be done in the case of Mr. Jones, a Black student.”

    Substitute the names of any of the other 11 departments on that board, and the sentence would still be true. But James, highlighting in Bold in case you missed his drift, one and only one organization, Office for Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights and implied that a focus on “DEI” got in the way of the process of not acting on the fact that Jones stonewalled them regarding the gun he had in his possession and for which he had been previously charged in Henrico County.

    Stick to the facts James, it makes your case about the process having failed much stronger and does not undermine your motives here.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/14/christopher-darnell-jones-uva-gunman/

    1. Never let a senseless tragedy go to waste when you can score ideological points, right? There’s only one word to describe Sherlock’s post: ghoulish.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        There you are again. You repeat yourself. Ghoul?

        I am trying to honor the dead. They did not deserve to die. They were sacrifices to the University’s paralysis in the face of the culture of the woke.

        Ask their parents.

        1. Did you ask their parents? Did they ask you to be a witness? Please answer my questions.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Frontal lobe collapse.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      What are your thoughts about the role of the DEI bureaucracy on the Threat Assessment Team? I gave you three examples of the work of that team. What threads do you see? Just asking.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      Not a mistake on his part – he is of the view along with other like-minded that DEI is resulting in less law & order… made the same case against NoVa CAs and it sounds like the Fredericksburg Va CA. Not a bug, a feature. And front and center with the state and nation Republicans. Pro Forma!

  11. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    I know I have touched a nerve in the progressive religion when I bring up inconvenient questions in the slaughter of at least three young Black men.

    Read all of their comments above. They are terrified.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      yep. Like we don’t already have a steady stream of school shooting victims… but now we “learn” the cause is really DEI?

    2. You’re so brave, you should go to Cville to spout your theories.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I understand the lighting is bad in C-ville so he should take some kinda of portable outdoor lighting.

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Again, it is a testosterone issue with you. You should see someone about that.

        1. So that’s a no. You’ll stay safely at home to spit your bile. Good to know.

  12. It only took 15 hours for Sherlock to turn this into a harangue about DEI.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Strike while the bodies are still warm!

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      It took only a minute or two for this guy to kill three, maybe four and injure another.

      1. Right, what you just did is more calculated.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          It is absolutely calculated to get justice for the dead in this tragedy.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            doubling down…………

          2. Yeah, that’s what you’re after, clearly.

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I offer to testify for the plaintiffs in the parents’ suits against the University, which will try to get them to a confidential settlement.

            What exactly are you doing for them?

          4. Did they ask you to go down? Is there a lawsuit? Can you answer my questions above?

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Read the three examples of TAT justice that I am personally familiar with. If those do not raise questions in your mind, then so be it.

      1. You have no basis on which to make your argument. It’s a rush to judgment based on your ideological bias, and the timing is just plan gross. You’re a ghoul. If you feel so strongly that these are legitimate questions, make some signs, go to the Lawn, make your case in person. Put your $$ where your mouth is, as it were.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          it’s the timing…. but the point he’s making, he’s been making…. he just apparently thought that this instance would be a “really good one”!

          Maybe he will see that even his fellow Conservatives are not happy and will apologize…. I know he can.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I already made my case. The one you have read.

          Who speaks for the dead? I have just done it.

          1. No, you made your case online behind a keyboard. Go make it to the audience you believe you’re addressing–the UVa administration. Let’s see how it goes over, how brave you are in Charlottesville. I expect to see pictures.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I will be there for the civil trials as a witness for the plaintiff families. You?

          3. Hello, Sherlock!!! Can you answer my questions? Who asked you go to go down as a witness?

          4. Did they ask you to appear? Have you been contacted by their attorneys? Who are they represented by and what are the nature of the claims? What did you “witness” and how did pertain to the causes of action?

          5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Wow. It is now a macho thing for you. Do we need seconds?

          6. It’s not a macho thing for me, I just find what you’ve done here decidedly un-alpha male. And I know how BR loves to spout off about the end of American masculinity.

        3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I rushed to questions, M. Purdy. Not judgments. Read it again. Do you not have questions? It turns out that mine are based on dealing with the TAT for years. Yours?

    4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      He knows no shame…

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Well, it does give considerable insight into at least some Conservative “thinking” and activism these days, not unlike Miyares who will also insert himself no doubt.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          And they wonder why they are losing voters… it must suck to watch your power slip away and wonder “why are we disdained so… especially by the younger generations…”

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            It was related than Kari Lake asked at an event if there were any folks who supported McCain in the audience. Hands went up, she asked them to leave……

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          One of his Deputy AG’s is the University’s legal counsel, and is on the TAT.

          What else would you have done other that the AG ask the State Police, who do not work for him, to investigate?

  13. Where is Sherlock? Hello?!? Can you answer my questions: Did the families of the victimes ask you to appear? Have you been contacted by their attorneys? Who are they represented by and what are the nature of the claims? What did you “witness” and how did pertain to the causes of action? What do you mean by this? “I will be there for the civil trials as a witness for the plaintiff families.”

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Aged related macular degeneration of the soul.

      I think grandeur is a part of the process. Hell, it could be why most here are Boomers.

      https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321649

      We all have holes to fill.

      1. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        I thought it was funny when there was a post about Woodstock on here. Boomers, indeed.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Was it per chance Woodstock 1999? Because they had ATMs on site.

          1. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            It was a post about the original Woodstock, anniversary or something.

          2. Cosmic man. Far out. Groovy.
            Love, peace, Woodstock. Dope, sex, waterbeds.

          3. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            “All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I’m fine”

          4. Methinks you’re not a boomer. Can you dig it?

          5. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I’ve been called a boomer by 20-somethings who think anyone over 40 is a boomer.

  14. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Delusions of grandeur, Captain? Time for professional intervention.

    No, having and writing opinions in a darkened corner of the internet does not make you an expert.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEEQWPfjv1U

  15. As a thought experiment let’s take race out of it.

    A student convicted of unlawfully carrying a concealed firearm in 2021. In 2022 that student boasts to his U Va roommate of having a gun. Threat Assessment Committee looks at the student. No evidence, so no follow-up.

    That student on a bus returning from a trip to DC shoots and kills three fellow students; wounds two others.

    Doesn’t U Va’s “Threat Assessment Committee” deserve critical scrutiny?

    Just its unwieldy size, bureaucratic inertia may have been a factor. Or not. We don’t know.

    But if we are looking for surplus members to chop out, what role does the Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights have in threat assessment?

    Now we add race back in. Black student. Shot and killed three black students.

    Apparently the Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights had no special insight to offer when it came to assessing this student as a threat.

    If somebody files a complaint with the Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights saying we should shoot white students to even things out, maybe they would have something to do with threat assessment. Otherwise, not.

  16. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/uva-shooting-suspect-part-of-field-trip-school-confirms/2022/11/15/cd513c3a-64fd-11ed-b08c-3ce222607059_story.html ‘Throughout the investigation, Mr. Jones repeatedly refused to cooperate with University officials who were seeking additional information about the claims that he had a firearm and about his failure to disclose the previous misdemeanor conviction. Accordingly, on October 27, the Threat Assessment Team escalated his case for disciplinary action,” the statement said.’

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Yet, on October 13, there he was on a UVa field trip with a gun.

      1. Ah, there he is! Up from the mud for a breath of air. Can you answer my questions now? What did you mean by that you’ll be a witness for the families? Did the families of the victims ask you to appear in court? Have you been contacted by their attorneys? Who are they represented by and what are the nature of the claims? What did you ‘witness’ and how does it pertain to the causes of action?

  17. As a thought experiment let’s take race out of it.

    A student convicted of unlawfully carrying a concealed firearm in 2021. In 2022 that student boasts to his U Va roommate of having a gun. Threat Assessment Committee looks at the student. No evidence, so no follow-up.

    That student on a bus returning from a trip to DC shoots and kills three fellow students; wounds two others.

    Doesn’t U Va’s “Threat Assessment Committee” deserve critical scrutiny?

    Just its unwieldy size, bureaucratic inertia may have been a factor. Or not. We don’t know.

    But if we are looking for surplus members to chop out, what role does the Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights have in threat assessment?

    Now we add race back in. Black student. Shot and killed three black students.

    Apparently the Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights had no special insight to offer when it came to assessing this student as a threat.

    If somebody files a complaint with the Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights saying we should shoot white students to even things out, maybe they would have something to do with threat assessment. Otherwise, not.

    1. Read the article I just posted. On Oct. 27, the TAT recommended disciplinary action.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Yet, on October 13, there he was on a UVa field trip with a gun.

        I have filed a FOIA request for the records on the Oct 27 meeting and all actions taken as a result of that meeting.

        You will note that I quoted the Post article in an update this morning. We note that in the case of the medical student, the University told the judge that the TAT took action. It banned him from the grounds for four years.

        Se we await the records to see what the TAT actually did. And what “recommended disciplinary action” actually meant.

        1. I’m not a FOIA expert, but I’m not sure you’ll get anywhere with it. Seems like personnel, student records, mental health exceptions would apply.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I’m not either.

            UVa is very likely in the office of a circuit court judge today asking for a court order to seal that record.

            To protect against influencing a jury – in this case in his favor.

            But we’ll get it eventually. Certainly in the trial. I’ll publish it in its entirety when I get it.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I’m not either.

            UVa is very likely in the office of a circuit court judge today asking for a court order to seal that record.

            To protect against influencing a jury – in this case in his favor.

            But we’ll get it eventually. Certainly in the trial. I’ll publish it in its entirety when I get it.

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Consider the victims here. Way too little of that in all of these comments.

        Take a minute …

        Now consider that a young man with a heretofore promising future is sitting in jail on multiple felonies including three murders.

        If the University had done its duty under the law, he would not not even have been there on a University field trip in a University bus.

        The TAT apparently did not direct a psych eval, as was done in the case of the med student. They did not ban him from the grounds. Ditto.

        If they had done either of those things, no murders. No murderer.

        Have a nice day.

        Those shot and alive, in addition to those killed and the shooter Mr. Jones, will not.

        If you don’t think his defense will bring this up as part of its not guilty by reason of insanity defense, you need to re-think it.

      3. Thanks, useful info. Not that TAT did nothing; just not enough. To f/k/a_tmtfairfax’s astute comment below I’d add: U Va needs the ability with probable cause to search student housing/property for guns/bombs/drugs/ evidence they did not do their homework. My guess is the guy kept his gun in his car, not in his room. Even if not on Grounds, so long they are a student at U Va . . . Don’t like it? Enroll at University of Texas at Austin. Despite what happened in 1966, it’s Texas: guns welcome. Called “Campus Carry.”

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          You missed part of the statute. “[U]pon a finding that there is probable cause to believe that a person poses a substantial risk of personal injury to himself or others in the near future by such person’s possession or acquisition of a firearm.” It’s possession or acquisition of a firearm. Ergo, they did not need to have found his firearm before going to court.

        2. I think we need to wait for the facts to come out. By definition, they didn’t do “enough” to prevent a tragedy, but I think the salient issue is whether they did anything wrong, which is not the same thing.

          1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            The MSM, Democratic legislators, Governor Northam and the Gun Control groups sang the praises of red flag laws to save lives. This type of law passed. Some jurisdictions have been using it. Some have not. Why not? It’s not a political issue.

            Neither C’ville nor Albemarle County are hotbeds of gun rights people and would seemingly be interested in using the new tools to prevent gun violence. And Richmond is murderland. Yet a study of the cases shows that none of these jurisdictions used the red flag law. That doesn’t make sense considering all factors. Why are there no red flag cases in those jurisdictions?

            Then move to UVA, the site of a horrible mass shooting where sensitivity to these events is seemingly high. One would expect that UVA would lean toward more, not fewer, applications for red flag relief. The suspect certainly raises some issues that suggest a red flag action is warranted. But apparently, nothing was requested. Why not?

            Putting aside politics, did the University act reasonably when it did not seek red flag relief? It needs to ask the question since it’s certain that the families of the deceased will sue UVA.

          2. Yep, all fair questions to be answered as facts come forth.

          3. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Agree that these issues need to be addressed and questions answered.

          4. You might have a hard time explaining that distinction to the dead kids and their families.

          5. Luckily the law makes the distinction for us.

          6. Will that make the dead rest more comfortably?

          7. Will this disgusting blogpost?

          8. Your comment in particular on whether the TAT just didn’t do enough or if they did something wrong was what I was responding to. Curious if you consider your own postings “disgusting”. It is unlikely the dead will express their opinion.

            Do you also consider Biden yesterday disgusting for using this tragedy to call for banning “assault weapons”?

            https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/assault-weapons-ban-in-wake-of-uva-shooting

      4. Turns out — they recommended it but nothing happened. “The University of Virginia on Tuesday said it had failed last month to report the suspected gunman in this week’s deadly shooting to a student-run judiciary committee after learning he had not disclosed a previous gun conviction…” Wash. Post

        Regardless, the student-run Judiciary Committee is not 911. It is not psychiatric referral. In a month it might decide on a sanction. In seconds a raging student can empty a clip.

        1. It sounds like there was nearly a two-week delay in reporting it to the judiciary committee. It needs to be looked into, for sure.

    2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      So why doesn’t Blue C’ville use the Commonwealth’s red flag law?

  18. So you are accused of being a ghoul. Here’s Biden yesterday standing on the corpses at UVa to call for an “assault weapons” ban. Do your critics consider his activities ghoulish too, or just yours?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/assault-weapons-ban-in-wake-of-uva-shooting

    1. Trying to prevent mass murder by banning assault weapons is not the same as using a mass shooting to attack DEI initiatives. Nice typically lame moral equivalence.

      1. The equivalence was commenting on the UVa tragedy that you have called “ghoulish” when Sherlock did it.

        Seems it’s not so :ghoulish” to you when Biden does it. Perhaps that is your typically lame attempt at moral ghoulishness.

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