Unlikely to Go Well – Unimaginable Amounts of COVID-Related Money and the Rush to Spend It

Awards made by HHS using emergency supplemental appropriation funding appropriated in March and April 2020.

by James C. Sherlock

The federal government is charged to distribute $7 trillion in supplemental COVID-related supplemental funding already appropriated or pending.  

Real money, and we will have borrowed every penny. 

Hard to comprehend that much money. That is 7 million million dollars.

I will try here to reduce that to human scale.  At full scale, as is the point here, no government system that we have in place can manage it well.

To illustrate the point, I drilled way down into data from a single federal department, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), to see for all of us how some of the ocean of federal COVID money has been distributed so far.

You see on the map that the total amount of grants alone made by HHS alone from the COVID supplemental appropriations passed in March and April of 2020 alone is north of $26 billion; $470 million of that has gone to Virginia governments and private entities to date.

The human-sized example to which I will offer for consideration is the distribution of HHS COVID-related grants to Head Start programs in Virginia. Some programs, especially those of school districts and larger non-profits, have multiple locations. There are 423 federally-funded Head Start locations in Virginia.

The attachment below is the result of my search and is the basis for my assessments here.

TAGGS Virginia Head Start

Head Start programs include Head Start, Early Head Start and Migrant and Seasonal Head Start. All three will be included when the term Head Start is used in this essay.

The distribution of COVID money into those programs has been very random and uneven. That was not the intent of government, that is just what happened.

Several reasons:

  • The COVID supplemental Head Start money is grant money, and the grants were not automatic but rather had to be applied for.  
  • Inevitably some grant applications were better crafted than others.  Some applications were turned down initially.
  • It appears from the data that many potential recipients have not applied. Perhaps they did not learn of the program at the necessary levels of the bureaucracy in time to act within the time limits of the application cycle. That may be the issue with, say, the City of Virginia Beach. I don’t know if the federal government or Virginia government notified potential beneficiaries of the availability of the grant money. For smaller potential beneficiaries, perhaps gathering the information required and filing for a federal grant exceeded the capabilities of their staffs under the circumstances of COVID.
  • It is also true that federal agencies were under direction from the text of the legislation to get the money out the door fast. Fast is the enemy of careful.

The money in the data represents only supplemental funding provided by legislation in March and April of 2020. Those specific appropriations are still being distributed  So there is far more to money come than has been distributed to this point. It too has been and will be the subject of “emergency” distribution rules.

In this tiny sample, the total distributed to this point to Head Start programs in Virginia from the March and April appropriations has been $12.6 million. Head Start money goes to both government entities and directly to individual providers.

I don’t know how much more money from the March and April appropriations is sitting in HHS waiting to be claimed.

All that said, below are some examples of what the data tellingly reveal. 

Geographic Distribution

Geographic distribution of the supplemental Head Start money in Virginia has been one of the major anomalies.  

People, Inc. of Southwest Virginia in Abingdon received almost $460,000.  t appears to be a terrific organization with a 55-year history in Abington. I make the point for comparison to other potential recipients and geographic areas, not as a reflection on that organization.

From the People Inc. 2019 Annual Report, it “prepared 295 preschoolers for entry into public schools” in that year. If it prepared the same number of kids in 2020 that it did in 2019 (and it may not have done so because of COVID), that organization received $1,559 in supplemental Head Start funding for each child — money appropriated in just the first two months of COVID.

All of South Hampton Roads, with 1.2 million people, has received less than $200,000 from the same grant program. That money went to the Mile High Kids and Community Development Inc. in Norfolk.  

Virginia Beach, Portsmouth, Chesapeake and Suffolk Head Start programs received nothing. It appears from the data that no potential recipients there applied. The City of Norfolk also apparently did not apply.

Local Government Entities

Local government jurisdictions that have been awarded money are the cities of Alexandria, Newport News, Richmond and Fredericksburg and the counties of Loudoun, Hanover, Culpeper, Fairfax, Augusta, Spotsylvania, Buchanan, Hopewell, Lee, Prince William, Orange, Chesterfield, Henrico, Halifax, Stafford, Scott and York. No others are listed.

The local government winners have been the Newport News Office of Human Affairs with over $1.1 million and the Richmond City Public School District at $811,000. Again, that is supplemental Head Start money only.

Private organizations

The grant of $460,000 to People, Inc. of Southwest Virginia in Abingdon was discussed above.  

In another example, The Children’s Center, a non-profit offering both Head Start and Early Head Start programs in Franklin, was awarded almost $500,000.

The larger lessons

No government was built to do what the American and Virginia governments are being asked to do right now — handle “emergency” distribution of this level of money.  

Efficiency and effectiveness of distribution and traceability of spending at this scale are beyond government capabilities.

Some of it will not be appropriated rationally — in the mathematical meaning of the word — against some overarching metric like total number of schoolchildren per state. Some will.  

Some of it will not be distributed rationally by the federal government even within overarching metrics. That is seen in this tiny Virginia Head Start example that involved only the federal government and grant applicants.  

Unanticipated grants that must be applied for on a short deadline with all of the right information provided have proven either to have escaped the notice or be beyond the capabilities of many local governments and small private enterprises.

The government of the Commonwealth will labor under the same weight. It is not structured to either spend or distribute this level of funding with this short a fuse.

All of that is true before we account for political motivations at the government level and both misfeasance and malfeasance at the points where the money is finally spent.

So, we citizens read our newspapers, watch our TV’s and search the web for news about this unimaginable amount money that future generations will have to pay back. We watch politicians argue about the appropriateness of the appropriations but not about the lack of government capabilities to manage them.

When we do, we must understand that the government competence issue looms large. You will seldom if ever read that in the press, which largely favors big government or at least does not want to seem critical of civil servants. I am speaking for civil servants, not against them. They simply can’t do this to the standards most of them set for themselves. Such things frustrate the best of them.

Our governments won’t handle it well because they can’t manage anything efficiently, effectively and traceably at this monumental scale and within these timelines.  

That is an allegory for all the enormous new things that some people now want government to do and want it to do in a hurry.  

Consider that they are unlikely to go well.


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80 responses to “Unlikely to Go Well – Unimaginable Amounts of COVID-Related Money and the Rush to Spend It”

  1. If you thought the Obama stimulus package was bad in 2009, that was chump change compared to this. The political class in Washington — and that includes the now-departed enemy of the deep state, Donald Trump, as well as the now-retired Dick “deficits don’t matter” Cheney — has lost its collective mind. It has no sense of fiscal limits. The political class lives in a fantasy world in which the U.S. can borrow and spend indefinitely with no deleterious consequences. Our rulers are beyond corrupt, and the system is doomed to collapse.

    Perhaps we should add a new channel to Bacon’s Rebellion — how to preserve your nest egg in an era of massive structural deficits, a soaring national debt, interest-rate repression, stock market bubbles, looming inflation, increasing civil disorder, intensifying suppression of free speech, and criminalization of political offenses.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      We are being conditioned like rats in a Skinner box. The bell goes off and we expect a big fat federal handout. And we can’t blame Biden.

      1. sherlockj Avatar

        You are exactly right. It has nothing to do with Biden.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Skinner was babies and not conditioning.
        Pavlov was conditioning but not rats.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          The Skinner Box is not the baby tender.

        2. The Skinner Box was rats and pigeons*. “Operant Conditioning Chamber”.

          * I’m pretty sure not at the same time…

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Why not? Same animal, one can fly, one can’t.

            The best definition of a pigeon I ever heard is that they are “the offspring of escaped parakeets and canaries that out of frustration bred with rats.”

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      I see Jim has once again gotten into the boomergeddon kool-aid storehouse and imbibed generously 😉

      No cries of anguish when the GOP paid for the TCJA tax cuts with debt.

      And Obama and Dems get blamed for the subprime mortgage debacle that occurred BEFORE he was elected.

      Deja Vu all over again. The GOP bet the store on the debt-financed TCJA tab cuts when the economy was actually good, then were fine with debt-financed stimulus UNTIL the Dems took over.

      Jan. 2, 2021

      ” As Some Deficit Hawks Turn Dove, the New Politics of Debt Are on Display
      Some Republicans who once scolded about fiscal austerity are now embracing government spending, underlining that the public supports more generous relief.
      …..
      The Republican embrace of deficit spending hit a wall with the party’s leadership this past week, as Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, rebuffed Mr. Trump’s demand to quickly increase the size of stimulus checks to $2,000 from $600. That decision drew scorn from some in his own party, with Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri upbraiding Republicans for denying struggling workers additional relief.

      “I hear a lot of talking about how we can’t afford it,” Mr. Hawley said on the Senate floor on Friday. “I do notice, however, that we seem to be able to afford all kinds of other stuff. We can afford to send lots of money to other governments. We can afford to send all kinds of tax breaks and bailouts to big corporations. But we can’t seem to find the money for relief for working people that the president and the House and the Senate all support.”

      The split in the party offers a hint of the landscape that awaits President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr., whose agenda will require Congress to agree to more spending. Mr. Biden is expected to push for another stimulus package once he takes office and has listed other priorities, including investments in infrastructure, health care and climate change, all of which require government money.

      Come Jan. 20, Republican lawmakers are all but certain to cast themselves as the nation’s fiscal stewards and resurrect their deficit concerns to oppose policies backed by Democrats.”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/02/business/economy/republicans-deficit.html

      I don’t know exactly what to think here… but thoughts of hypocrisy do swirl.

      1. sherlockj Avatar

        You managed, as is your want, to miss the entire point of the piece.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          well, did Bacon and Steve? I just did not agree with your original premise that govt cannot distribute it without issues and instead was responding to Jim’s view – which also did not seem to respond to your point but instead just expanded quite a bit beyond your point.

          1. sherlockj Avatar

            Sorry, Jim and Steve were right on point. And neither mentioned a Democrat.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” If you thought the Obama stimulus package was bad in 2009, that was chump change compared to this. ” (this Dem administration?)

            sure about that?

            stimulus is not about careful distribution of funds. The essential thing with stimulus is to get it into the economy as fast as possible and hope some of the money actually does good things! 😉

            Remember the “shovel ready” idea? Didn’t matter if it was a good project or not.. just “ready”. Same deal now.

            Credit the GOP and some Dems who wonder why yo’d send money to people who make 75K but that does not seem to faze too many – even in the earlier rounds.

            and no, no one accused you of hypocrisy… put away your gloves..

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            See. You’re right Larry. Like Steve intimidated, it’s Pavlovian. Mention government spending, and they immediately go postal on the Democrats while ignoring Reagan, Bush, and with amazingly bad short term memory, Trump.

        2. Here is my pedantic proper English usage post for the day – I shall endeavor to refrain from posting any more:

          I think the word you wanted was ” wont”. That one is almost as common as “pour” instead of pore”

      2. sherlockj Avatar

        I have never figured out what “swirls” in your thoughts. I did not mention Biden. Every dime I have written about here was appropriated during the Trump administration. Far more is on the way.

        Finally, I suggest you don’t accuse me of hypocrisy unless you can find something that I have written that flies in the face of something I wrote here.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Hey, I made you an offer before and it still stands. If you don’t want me to comment on your posts, then say so and I will honor your wishes. No problem, just say the word.

          1. Steve Haner Avatar
            Steve Haner

            Make me the offer.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            same offer.

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Hey, I’ll make an offer. If you don’t want my comments on your posts, don’t post.

          4. sherlockj Avatar

            I accept.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            Done.

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Funny. I didn’t.

    4. SuburbanWoman Avatar
      SuburbanWoman

      Localities are spending money on things like expensive drones for police departments. How are drones needed due to the pandemic? Many bonuses and hazard payments have gone out.
      The reports related to how localities spend these funds should be public record and should be simplified not hard to find in board documents. Spending to help those most impacted by the pandemic and resulting closures is one thing but a spending spree for localities is ridiculous.

      1. My locality spent some Covid money on a partnership with Central Va Elec Cooperative to bring fiber-optic broadband to underserved parts of the county. I suppose that can be justified as part of getting everyone “connected” so all their kids can attend virtual school.

  2. If you thought the Obama stimulus package was bad in 2009, that was chump change compared to this. The political class in Washington — and that includes the now-departed enemy of the deep state, Donald Trump, as well as the now-retired Dick “deficits don’t matter” Cheney — has lost its collective mind. It has no sense of fiscal limits. The political class lives in a fantasy world in which the U.S. can borrow and spend indefinitely with no deleterious consequences. Our rulers are beyond corrupt, and the system is doomed to collapse.

    Perhaps we should add a new channel to Bacon’s Rebellion — how to preserve your nest egg in an era of massive structural deficits, a soaring national debt, interest-rate repression, stock market bubbles, looming inflation, increasing civil disorder, intensifying suppression of free speech, and criminalization of political offenses.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I see Jim has once again gotten into the boomergeddon kool-aid storehouse and imbibed generously 😉

      No cries of anguish when the GOP paid for the TCJA tax cuts with debt.

      And Obama and Dems get blamed for the subprime mortgage debacle that occurred BEFORE he was elected.

      Deja Vu all over again. The GOP bet the store on the debt-financed TCJA tab cuts when the economy was actually good, then were fine with debt-financed stimulus UNTIL the Dems took over.

      Jan. 2, 2021

      ” As Some Deficit Hawks Turn Dove, the New Politics of Debt Are on Display
      Some Republicans who once scolded about fiscal austerity are now embracing government spending, underlining that the public supports more generous relief.
      …..
      The Republican embrace of deficit spending hit a wall with the party’s leadership this past week, as Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, rebuffed Mr. Trump’s demand to quickly increase the size of stimulus checks to $2,000 from $600. That decision drew scorn from some in his own party, with Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri upbraiding Republicans for denying struggling workers additional relief.

      “I hear a lot of talking about how we can’t afford it,” Mr. Hawley said on the Senate floor on Friday. “I do notice, however, that we seem to be able to afford all kinds of other stuff. We can afford to send lots of money to other governments. We can afford to send all kinds of tax breaks and bailouts to big corporations. But we can’t seem to find the money for relief for working people that the president and the House and the Senate all support.”

      The split in the party offers a hint of the landscape that awaits President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr., whose agenda will require Congress to agree to more spending. Mr. Biden is expected to push for another stimulus package once he takes office and has listed other priorities, including investments in infrastructure, health care and climate change, all of which require government money.

      Come Jan. 20, Republican lawmakers are all but certain to cast themselves as the nation’s fiscal stewards and resurrect their deficit concerns to oppose policies backed by Democrats.”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/02/business/economy/republicans-deficit.html

      I don’t know exactly what to think here… but thoughts of hypocrisy do swirl.

      1. sherlockj Avatar

        You managed, as is your want, to miss the entire point of the piece.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          well, did Bacon and Steve? I just did not agree with your original premise that govt cannot distribute it without issues and instead was responding to Jim’s view – which also did not seem to respond to your point but instead just expanded quite a bit beyond your point.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” If you thought the Obama stimulus package was bad in 2009, that was chump change compared to this. ” (this Dem administration?)

            sure about that?

            stimulus is not about careful distribution of funds. The essential thing with stimulus is to get it into the economy as fast as possible and hope some of the money actually does good things! 😉

            Remember the “shovel ready” idea? Didn’t matter if it was a good project or not.. just “ready”. Same deal now.

            Credit the GOP and some Dems who wonder why yo’d send money to people who make 75K but that does not seem to faze too many – even in the earlier rounds.

            and no, no one accused you of hypocrisy… put away your gloves..

        2. Here is my pedantic proper English usage post for the day – I shall endeavor to refrain from posting any more:

          I think the word you wanted was ” wont”. That one is almost as common as “pour” instead of pore”

      2. sherlockj Avatar

        I have never figured out what “swirls” in your thoughts. I did not mention Biden. Every dime I have written about here was appropriated during the Trump administration. Far more is on the way.

        Finally, I suggest you don’t accuse me of hypocrisy unless you can find something that I have written that flies in the face of something I wrote here.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Hey, I made you an offer before and it still stands. If you don’t want me to comment on your posts, then say so and I will honor your wishes. No problem, just say the word.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            same offer.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Funny. I didn’t.

    3. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      We are being conditioned like rats in a Skinner box. The bell goes off and we expect a big fat federal handout. And we can’t blame Biden.

      1. sherlockj Avatar

        You are exactly right. It has nothing to do with Biden.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Skinner was babies and not conditioning.
        Pavlov was conditioning but not rats.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          The Skinner Box is not the baby tender.

        2. The Skinner Box was rats and pigeons*. “Operant Conditioning Chamber”.

          * I’m pretty sure not at the same time…

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Why not? Same animal, one can fly, one can’t.

            The best definition of a pigeon I ever heard is that they are “the offspring of escaped parakeets and canaries that out of frustration bred with rats.”

    4. SuburbanWoman Avatar
      SuburbanWoman

      Localities are spending money on things like expensive drones for police departments. How are drones needed due to the pandemic? Many bonuses and hazard payments have gone out.
      The reports related to how localities spend these funds should be public record and should be simplified not hard to find in board documents. Spending to help those most impacted by the pandemic and resulting closures is one thing but a spending spree for localities is ridiculous.

      1. My locality spent some Covid money on a partnership with Central Va Elec Cooperative to bring fiber-optic broadband to underserved parts of the county. I suppose that can be justified as part of getting everyone “connected” so all their kids can attend virtual school.

  3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    The adage is true. Democrats throw money at their problems, and Republicans throw money at their friends.

    Either way, the banks win. VFH buy.

  4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    The adage is true. Democrats throw money at their problems, and Republicans throw money at their friends.

    Either way, the banks win. VFH buy.

  5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    It’s a lot of money. Larry Summers is worried about overheating the economy. I wouldn’t be holding cash for the next year or so, but gold is stupid.

    If you invest in gold, buy the metal, keep it readily available, and just enough to bribe the border guards.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep and a little surprised they did not meet in the middle between the 1.9 and .6 and guess that Biden was feeling they were going to rope-a-dope and it needed to be done quick. They apparently did strip out the $15 minimum wage.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I don’t recall BR contributors railing against PPP, but then, I’m sure they must’ve.

        Minimum wage was a sacrificial zinc.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Go big or go home.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Cap’n is trying to say that money will be wasted. An obvious statement considering the DoD passed their last audit, uh, in, um, 1940.

            That’s in normal spending mode. Imagine when something like, I dunno, a war happens?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Stimulus goes against many fiscal conservatives beliefs and instincts and even those who see it as a legitimate response, do worry about it being “too big”, wasting money, money going to people and business that don’t need it and a risk to high inflation and long-term unpaid debt.

            The amount of stimulus and where to target it, is not exactly an establish nor accepted discipline and seldom is there unanimous agreement on size and scope.

            Sometimes, when the stimulus is not large enough initially, it actually leads to more rounds of stimulus.

            In fact, that’s the argument with this new round of stimulus – that prior stimulus turned out to be not enough and the economy is still is deep trouble. Not everyone agrees, including Summers.

            So I wondered about the history of stimulus and did a little search on the subject and found this working paper by the Mercatus Center which is known for it’s conservative perspectives but they do say this paper is the view of the authors not necessarily Mercatus – even though they published on their site so I offer it for what it is worth (or not):

            ” WORKING PAPER THE U.S. EXPERIENCE WITH FISCAL STIMULUS: A Historical and Statistical Analysis of U.S. Fiscal Stimulus Activity, 1953-2011 The ideas presented in this research are the authors’ and do not represent official positions of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. (2012)
            ……
            5.Final Thoughts Deliberate efforts to stimulate the U.S. economy through government fiscal policy have been a formal part of the political economy for more than 80 years. The effort reaches back to the 1930s when John Maynard Keynes famously offered economic advice to prime ministers and presidents urging increased government spending as a way to prime the economic engine.90Deficit spending then became the order of the day for depression-weary government leaders. Our survey of statements on U.S. stimulus efforts found in annual issues of the Economic Report of the Presidentfrom1953 to 2011 uncovered a rich but at times confused history of efforts to spend our way out of recessions on the one hand but then, on the other hand,to deal later with an inflationary economy by way of monetary policy”

            https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/US-Experience-Fiscal-Stimulus.pdf

          3. “Imagine when something like, I dunno, a war happens?”

            Are you expecting president Biden to start some wars?

          4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Start one? He’s in one declared by Trump.

          5. “Start one? He’s in one declared by Trump.”

            No he is not. Our current wars were started by the two presidents who preceded Donald Trump.

  6. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    It’s a lot of money. Larry Summers is worried about overheating the economy. I wouldn’t be holding cash for the next year or so, but gold is stupid.

    If you invest in gold, buy the metal, keep it readily available, and just enough to bribe the border guards.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep and a little surprised they did not meet in the middle between the 1.9 and .6 and guess that Biden was feeling they were going to rope-a-dope and it needed to be done quick. They apparently did strip out the $15 minimum wage.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I don’t recall BR contributors railing against PPP, but then, I’m sure they must’ve.

        Minimum wage was a sacrificial zinc.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Go big or go home.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Cap’n is trying to say that money will be wasted. An obvious statement considering the DoD passed their last audit, uh, in, um, 1940.

            That’s in normal spending mode. Imagine when something like, I dunno, a war happens?

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Start one? He’s in one declared by Trump.

          3. “Start one? He’s in one declared by Trump.”

            No he is not. Our current wars were started by the two presidents who preceded Donald Trump.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Stimulus goes against many fiscal conservatives beliefs and instincts and even those who see it as a legitimate response, do worry about it being “too big”, wasting money, money going to people and business that don’t need it and a risk to high inflation and long-term unpaid debt.

            The amount of stimulus and where to target it, is not exactly an establish nor accepted discipline and seldom is there unanimous agreement on size and scope.

            Sometimes, when the stimulus is not large enough initially, it actually leads to more rounds of stimulus.

            In fact, that’s the argument with this new round of stimulus – that prior stimulus turned out to be not enough and the economy is still is deep trouble. Not everyone agrees, including Summers.

            So I wondered about the history of stimulus and did a little search on the subject and found this working paper by the Mercatus Center which is known for it’s conservative perspectives but they do say this paper is the view of the authors not necessarily Mercatus – even though they published on their site so I offer it for what it is worth (or not):

            ” WORKING PAPER THE U.S. EXPERIENCE WITH FISCAL STIMULUS: A Historical and Statistical Analysis of U.S. Fiscal Stimulus Activity, 1953-2011 The ideas presented in this research are the authors’ and do not represent official positions of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. (2012)
            ……
            5.Final Thoughts Deliberate efforts to stimulate the U.S. economy through government fiscal policy have been a formal part of the political economy for more than 80 years. The effort reaches back to the 1930s when John Maynard Keynes famously offered economic advice to prime ministers and presidents urging increased government spending as a way to prime the economic engine.90Deficit spending then became the order of the day for depression-weary government leaders. Our survey of statements on U.S. stimulus efforts found in annual issues of the Economic Report of the Presidentfrom1953 to 2011 uncovered a rich but at times confused history of efforts to spend our way out of recessions on the one hand but then, on the other hand,to deal later with an inflationary economy by way of monetary policy”

            https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/US-Experience-Fiscal-Stimulus.pdf

          5. “Imagine when something like, I dunno, a war happens?”

            Are you expecting president Biden to start some wars?

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I am going to side with Jim Sherlock on this one. In my experience with governmental agencies, there is a limit to how fast large infusions of money can be absorbed and used wisely. And, if the money is going to be distributed through grants, the organizations with the most astute and experienced grant writers are going to get the money. I am sure that the state and federal staff that is implementing all these programs are overwhelmed and, working remotely due to COVID makes the task harder.

    It would be interesting to know what People, Inc. of Abingdon is going to do, has done with, that $460,000.

    There is a lot of money sloshing around. And that is not necessarily a bad thing. The availability of that money meant that the overall economy did not tank as badly as had been originally feared. There is a trade-off between getting the money out fast and getting it out the most efficient and equitable way. The economy was in imminent danger and so the right choice was speed.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Might be interesting to see a complete list of what is actually in this stimulus beyond direct payments and tax credits and such.

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/politics/biden-economic-rescue-package-coronavirus-stimulus/index.html

      Maybe missed it but don’t see a whole lot additonal to businesses…15 billion? Looks like a substantial part of it goes to individuals.

      I think stimulus by its essential nature is not a slow and careful process.

  8. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I am going to side with Jim Sherlock on this one. In my experience with governmental agencies, there is a limit to how fast large infusions of money can be absorbed and used wisely. And, if the money is going to be distributed through grants, the organizations with the most astute and experienced grant writers are going to get the money. I am sure that the state and federal staff that is implementing all these programs are overwhelmed and, working remotely due to COVID makes the task harder.

    It would be interesting to know what People, Inc. of Abingdon is going to do, has done with, that $460,000.

    There is a lot of money sloshing around. And that is not necessarily a bad thing. The availability of that money meant that the overall economy did not tank as badly as had been originally feared. There is a trade-off between getting the money out fast and getting it out the most efficient and equitable way. The economy was in imminent danger and so the right choice was speed.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Might be interesting to see a complete list of what is actually in this stimulus beyond direct payments and tax credits and such.

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/politics/biden-economic-rescue-package-coronavirus-stimulus/index.html

      Maybe missed it but don’t see a whole lot additonal to businesses…15 billion? Looks like a substantial part of it goes to individuals.

      I think stimulus by its essential nature is not a slow and careful process.

  9. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    $7T is, btw, $49K to each and every taxpayer in the US – or 24 months of monthly $2000 stimulus checks. That is a lot of stimulation, eh…??

    Note: no new bureaucracy needed to distribute…

  10. djrippert Avatar

    “Perhaps we should add a new channel to Bacon’s Rebellion — how to preserve your nest egg in an era of massive structural deficits, a soaring national debt, interest-rate repression, stock market bubbles, looming inflation, increasing civil disorder, intensifying suppression of free speech, and criminalization of political offenses.”

    A devalued currency and runaway inflation is the risk. There are a number of ways to hedge that risk. Avoid bonds, buy shares of foreign companies, REITs and TIPs. Hard real estate is another option for the well heeled investor. However, the dislocation of people because of COVID makes things more difficult. I’d look long and hard at the Charlottesville area in Virginia. Wilmington, NC is also a possibility. Boise, Austin and Nashville are played out. Jacksonville might be a thought.

    Biden will ultimately destroy the US economy every bit as badly as Jimmy Carter did. Bet on it.

  11. sherlockj Avatar

    Larry:
    “Stimulus ….. even those who see it as a legitimate response, do worry about it being “too big”, wasting money, money going to people and business that don’t need it and a risk to high inflation and long-term unpaid debt.”

    Me:
    And political corruption, individual corruption, and the inability of the bureaucracies to efficiently and effectively receive, disburse and track how so much money is actually spent as opposed to the official intent (what this column actually addressed), etc…

    Combine the two and other than those, no issues.

    As for the discussion about investing around the inflation this offers, Mercedes and BMW stocks should get a look in the rare case the money is not all spent “for the children”.

  12. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    $7T is, btw, $49K to each and every taxpayer in the US – or 24 months of monthly $2000 stimulus checks. That is a lot of stimulation, eh…??

    Note: no new bureaucracy needed to distribute…

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    That sorta puts some clarity on it. 7T is also 1/3 of our GDP and is about what we lost in GDP.

    $49K does seem excessive. Why do we have a liberal pointing that out and not the conservatives? 😉

    1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      There is that, but my real point is if we are going to put that on our collective credit card (which apparently we did/are) we ought to at least directly benefit from it.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        No, no, no. It’s not going on the credit card. This isn’t a borrow and spend Republican thing. It’s a tax and spend Democrat thing. Read my lips, “There will be new taxes.”

  14. LarrytheG Avatar

    That sorta puts some clarity on it. 7T is also 1/3 of our GDP and is about what we lost in GDP.

    $49K does seem excessive. Why do we have a liberal pointing that out and not the conservatives? 😉

    1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      There is that, but my real point is if we are going to put that on our collective credit card (which apparently we did/are) we ought to at least directly benefit from it.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        No, no, no. It’s not going on the credit card. This isn’t a borrow and spend Republican thing. It’s a tax and spend Democrat thing. Read my lips, “There will be new taxes.”

  15. djrippert Avatar

    “Perhaps we should add a new channel to Bacon’s Rebellion — how to preserve your nest egg in an era of massive structural deficits, a soaring national debt, interest-rate repression, stock market bubbles, looming inflation, increasing civil disorder, intensifying suppression of free speech, and criminalization of political offenses.”

    A devalued currency and runaway inflation is the risk. There are a number of ways to hedge that risk. Avoid bonds, buy shares of foreign companies, REITs and TIPs. Hard real estate is another option for the well heeled investor. However, the dislocation of people because of COVID makes things more difficult. I’d look long and hard at the Charlottesville area in Virginia. Wilmington, NC is also a possibility. Boise, Austin and Nashville are played out. Jacksonville might be a thought.

    Biden will ultimately destroy the US economy every bit as badly as Jimmy Carter did. Bet on it.

  16. sherlockj Avatar

    Larry:
    “Stimulus ….. even those who see it as a legitimate response, do worry about it being “too big”, wasting money, money going to people and business that don’t need it and a risk to high inflation and long-term unpaid debt.”

    Me:
    And political corruption, individual corruption, and the inability of the bureaucracies to efficiently and effectively receive, disburse and track how so much money is actually spent as opposed to the official intent (what this column actually addressed), etc…

    Combine the two and other than those, no issues.

    As for the discussion about investing around the inflation this offers, Mercedes and BMW stocks should get a look in the rare case the money is not all spent “for the children”.

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