The New Virginia Way: More People Voting

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

The 2020 and 2021 sessions of the General Assembly enacted numerous bills that made it easier for citizens of the Commonwealth to exercise their right to vote.  This article will outline the major changes, analyze their effects, and discuss efforts to repeal or modify these changes.

Following is a summary of the changes:

Voter ID

  • Photo ID requirement eliminated;
  • Voter must still present ID. In addition to the existing alternative forms of identification, driver’s license, DMV identification card, and student ID, the legislature added current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check or other government document as acceptable forms of identification;
  • Anyone not able to present any approved form of ID still allowed to vote, but must sign statement, under penalty of felony if false, that he is the named registered voter;
  • Provided for DMV to issue identification privilege card that could be used as ID for voting.

Registration

  • Provided for same day registration, effective Oct. 1, 2022;
  • Authorized persons 16 years old or older who will not turn 18 before the next general election to pre-register. Required automatic registration of such person when he or she becomes eligible for registration or becomes 18 years old;
  • For any person, who is an American citizen, performing any transaction at DMV, who does not exercise an option to decline, DMV required to forward the person’s name, address, etc. to Dept. of Elections who shall register person to vote, if not already registered.

Absentee Voting 

  • Provided for “no excuse” absentee voting;
  • Allowed any voter to request to be on a permanent absentee voter list (used to have to renew annually);
  • Registrar required to furnish postage prepaid envelope for return of absentee ballot;
  • Required registrars to notify voters if affirmation not correctly or completely filled out and give voter chance to make corrections;
  • Provided that any absentee ballot, postmarked on or before the date of the election, but received by the registrar after the closing of the polls and before noon on the third day after election, shall be counted.

Early Voting (voting absentee in person)

  • Allowed absentee in person voting for anyone;
  • Allowed localities to establish satellite office for voting absentee in person;
  • Authorized registrars to provide for absentee in-person voting on Sundays.

Drop-Off Boxes

  • Required drop-off location for absentee ballots at registrars’ offices, satellite offices, and polling places; and authorized the establishment of additional locations.

Virginia Voting Rights Act 

  • Prohibited changes to a “covered practice” unless it is indicated that the change does not have the “purpose or effect of denying or abridging the right to vote based on race or color or membership in a language minority group.” Local governing bodies are required to present any proposed changes to a “covered practice” in advance for public comment for a minimum of 30 days, with a 30-day waiting period following the public comment. There are five covered practices, which include any change that reduces, consolidates, or relocates polling places in a locality except in the case of an emergency; and any change that limits or impairs the creation or distribution of voting and election materials in any language other than English. Additionally, it empowers voters and/or the Attorney General to sue in cases of voter suppression. Virginia was the first state to pass such legislation.

EFFECTS

The original impetus for these changes was the need to make it easier for residents to vote due to the restrictions imposed to mitigate the spread of COVID-19.  However, because the changes were not enacted on a temporary basis, there obviously was a general desire by the Democratic majority in those two sessions to make voting more accessible and easier for more residents on an ongoing basis.

Although there have been only three general elections since the enactment of the changes—the 2020 Presidential election, the 2021 gubernatorial election, and the 2022 elections for the U.S. House of Representatives—it is not too early to draw some conclusions about the effects of these changes.  Based on results so far, more people are registered to vote, a larger percentage of registered voters cast votes, and lots of voters chose to vote absentee.  (All election and registration data used in the analyses that follow are derived from data on the Dept. of Elections website.  The source of population figures is the U.S Census.)

Registration

The number of registered voters has increased each year. Increased population was one major factor in the increase.  Another factor has been the presence of candidates who provide incentives to people, not formerly registered, to register and vote.  Barack Obama and Donald Trump are prime examples.

There has been a pattern in registration changes.  In a Presidential election year, there will be a surge in the number of registered voters.  In the year following the Presidential election, there is usually a slight decrease, followed by modest increases or decreases in the next years before the surge in the next Presidential year.  This pattern has resulted in an overall increase in the number of registered voters relative to the population.

To compare the growth in registered voters to the growth in population, it is best to use the estimated number of residents eligible to register, i.e., persons 18 years old and older.  This number will be an inexact estimate of those eligible because it includes persons not eligible to register, primarily felons and noncitizens.  Therefore, the estimated number of persons eligible to vote is overstated; therefore, the actual percentage growth in that population is probably lower than stated.

Keeping that caveat in mind, for the period 2010-2019, the Commonwealth’s population of residents eligible to register to vote was estimated to have increased by 8.6 percent, but the number of registered voters increased during that period by 11.8 percent. From 2019 to 2022, the proportional increase in registered voters was even higher.  The number of persons eligible to register is estimated to have increased by 2.1 percent during that period, while the number of persons registered increased by 9.0 percent.

Voter turnout is usually expressed in terms of registered voters.  Knowing how much of the state’s population is registered to vote can put the turnout numbers in perspective.  The percentage of how many people eligible to register to vote who are actually registered has been growing in the last two decades.  By 2019, the number of registered voters was 84.3 percent of the estimated number eligible to register.  At the end of 2022, it is estimated that 90 percent of the eligible population in Virginia was registered to vote. This last increase in the number of registered voters, spurred by the presence of Donald Trump on the ballot in 2020 and aided by the legislative changes in 2020 and 2021, was a major factor in the large increase in turnout in the 2021 gubernatorial election.

Turnout

Historically, voter turnout in Virginia was low.  That has changed in recent years.

Presidential elections—Since 1996, when the National Voter Registration Act (“Motor Voter”) was enacted, thereby significantly increasing registration, with a couple of exceptions, the percentage of registered voters voting in presidential years has hovered around 70 percent.  The exceptions were 2000 (67 percent) and 2020 (75 percent). The increase in 2020 was probably more attributable to the presence of Donald Trump on the ballot than it was to the changes made in the laws regarding elections.

Congressional elections—The statewide turnout of registered voters in the 2022 elections for the U.S. House of Representatives was 49.3 percent.  For the sake of comparison, one would have to go back to 2010, the most recent year prior to 2022 when there was not a statewide contest, Presidential, U.S. Senate, or governor, on the ballot with the candidates for House of Representatives.  The turnout in 2010 was 44 percent, significantly lower than in 2022.  It could be argued that the higher turnout in 2022 was driven by national publicity about whether there would be a “Red Wave” in which the Republicans gained a decisive majority in the House.  However, only three districts in Virginia were thought to be competitive: the Second, Seventh, and Tenth.   Yet, none of those districts had the highest turnout; that honor went to the First District, with a turnout rate of 56.9 percent.  Furthermore, seven of the eleven Congressional districts had a turnout rate of 50 percent or higher.  It would seem that the 2020 and 2021 changes that resulted in higher registration and made it easier to vote resulted in higher turnouts for what is usually a low-key election.  The turnout rate for each district is shown in the table below:

Governor’s race—The significant increase in turnout for the 2021 gubernatorial election, shown in the table below, is probably one of the clearest indicators of the effects of the changes in the law.

Absentee Voting

One of the areas in which the greatest change in law occurred and which showed the greatest impact was that of absentee voting. Based on the data so far, Virginia voters like being able to vote absentee, with about one in three Virginia voters not going to the polls on Election Day.

Prior to 2020, anyone wishing to vote absentee had to request a ballot for each election in which he wished to vote absentee.  Furthermore, the Code specified a list of conditions under which absentee voting would be allowed, such as disability or out of town on business on Election Day, and anyone wishing to vote absentee had to qualify under one of those conditions.

The changes in 2020 did away with any required conditions and allowed any registered voter to request an absentee ballot without specifying any reason— “no-excuse” absentee voting.  Also, it allowed any registered voter to request that his name be permanently included on the absentee voting roster, eliminating the need to request a ballot for each election.  The prior year (2019), the law had been changed to allow absentee voters to cast their ballots in person, rather than mailing them, up to 45 days prior to the date of the general election.  The cumulative effect of these changes was that any registered voter had a 45-day window in which to cast a vote.  Coupled with the existing requirement that each registrar’s office be open the first and second Saturdays prior to Election Day and the authorization of registrars to open on Sunday, significant flexibility had been provided for residents to vote.

Prior to 2020, for non-Presidential years, the number of persons voting absentee, with one exception, was less than 200,000 and was often less than 100,000.  In Presidential years, the number increased, especially in more recent years, to around the half million mark in 2008, 2012, and 2016.  In 2020, after the changes in law were enacted, the number of absentee voters soared to 2.7 million, which was more than 60 percent of the total number of ballots cast.  This large number of absentee ballots doubtless can be attributed largely to the effects of the pandemic and having Donald Trump on the ballot.

Even without the twin forces of the pandemic and Trump, more than 1.2 million voters voted absentee the next year in the gubernatorial race, constituting almost 36 percent of all ballots cast and almost one million voted absentee (approximately 32 percent of all voters) in the U.S. House races in 2022.  (The Virginia Dept. of Elections considers voting in person early as voting absentee and reports mailed in absentee ballots and early in-person voting separately.)

The significant increase in turnout for the 2021 gubernatorial election may be attributable, at least in part, to the increase in absentee voting.

Breakdown by Parties

Both Democrat and Republican voters voted absentee.  However, as with most political issues, there were differences between how Democrats and Republicans used absentee voting.  (The data in the following analyses and tables are for the candidates of the two major parties only.  Votes cast for independent and write-in candidates are not included.)

Absentee votes constituted a larger percentage of the total votes for Democratic candidates than they did for Republican, as shown in the tables below:

Both Democrats and Republicans were more likely to vote absentee in person than by sending in their ballot in the mail.  However, voters for Republican candidates relied more heavily on the early voting than the traditional casting of absentee ballots by mail, with about 80 percent of those absentee votes being early in-person voting.  The breakdown by type of absentee voting and party is shown in the tables below (the Dept. of Elections did not have the breakdown by type of absentee voting for the 2020 Presidential election):

 

Specific Areas

The foregoing analysis was on a statewide basis.  It is likely that the legislative changes had even more marked effects on certain regions or populations. However, analyzing those effects at those levels would require a great deal of time, access to data that are not readily available, and probably more computer capacity than I have.  That would be good topic for a senior or master’s thesis.

 

EFFORTS TO ROLL BACK CHANGES

In the 2022 General Assembly, Republican legislators introduced 30 bills to repeal or roll back the changes made in 2020 and 2021, or otherwise make voting harder.  Most of the bills were killed in committee or, if reported by the House, were killed in the Senate.  In the just-concluded 2023 Session, there was less activity—only 19 such bills were introduced, with four passed in the House, only to be killed in the Senate.  In both years, the total included duplicate bills and overlapping bills.  Furthermore, some legislators introduced more than one bill.

 

My Soapbox

I admit that I am something of a traditionalist.  Many, many years ago, I was stirred by Theodore White’s description, in The Making of the President 1960, of election day. “They had begun to vote in the villages of New Hampshire, at midnight….”  Voting then spread across the country “in schools, libraries, churches, stores, post offices…. All of this is invisible, for it is the essence of the act that as it happens it is a mystery in which millions of people each fit one fragment of a total secret together….”

The idea of citizens of a country or a state coming together on a single day to elect their leaders is romantic and inspirational. But, I have to admit, not realistic.  Nor is it in keeping with the idea of a participatory democracy, in which the people who are being governed get to participate in choosing who governs them.  Many people must work on Election Day and do not find it easy to get time off to vote.  Others may find out a few days before Election Day that they must be out of town on that day or some other obligation looms.

Other than sentimentality, I do not understand why anyone would object to extending the time in which one has to cast a ballot.  Nor do I understand most of the objections to other provisions intended to make it easier for folks to vote.  Of course, those objecting to the changes usually raise the fear of fraud.  However, there have not been any verified instances of anything more than an occasional instance of fraud, only allegations.

There is one hot-button issue on which I can see some validity—voter ID.  Virginia does require that voters present some form of ID.  Many legislators, however, want to require some form of photo ID.  I think their fear is overblown, but it is not totally unreasonable.  However, I have heard people more knowledgeable than I am explain that there are a significant number of residents, particularly older Black people, who do not have photo IDs.  In order to have some idea of what effect a requirement for a photo ID would have, it would be helpful if the Dept. of Elections could provide data on how many people voted in the last three general elections while showing some ID other than a photo.

One of the new provisions that I have doubts about is the ability to vote absentee in person up to 45 days prior to a general election.  Aside from it being foolish for one to cast a ballot that early because a lot can happen in the run-up to Election Day, I suspect that it is a waste of time and money.  It would be instructive if the Dept. of Elections could tell us how many people voted in the first half of that 45-day period, together with the costs incurred by having registrars on duty during that period.  I would think that a 21-day period before Election Day, coupled with a requirement that registrars stay open on Saturdays and, perhaps, one Sunday, during that period, would provide sufficient flexibility for everyone.

I am not the only one to advocate reducing the time for in-person early voting.  Several of the bills introduced in 2022 and 2023 would have reduced this period.  The Washington Post reports that a major Republican operative, in comments to attendees at a Republican National Committee donor retreat this week, focused on this issue, hoping for a Republican take-over in the Virginia legislature that could lead to the elimination of early voting.  “Forty-five days!” she said in a reference to Virginia’s early voting period. “Do you know how hard it is to have observers be able to watch for that long a period?

The irony of this is that the 45-day provision for in-person early voting was enacted in 2019 when Republicans were in the majority in both houses of the General Assembly.  Furthermore, one of the bills that contained the provision (HB 2790) was introduced by a Republican, Del. Nick Rush (Montgomery).  It passed on strong bipartisan votes in the House (89-10) and Senate (34-6).

The staff at the Virginia Department of Elections provided invaluable assistance to me in my research for this article for which I am most grateful. They responded promptly to my seemingly endless questions, clarifying some of the data and pointing me to the location on the agency’s website in which I could find the details I needed. (That location is not obvious.)  Just so there is so misunderstanding, I want to emphasize that much of the data presented, especially in Tables 3-7, is not set out on the website in that manner.  I calculated the statewide breakdowns of the absentee voting, using data on the agency website.  Consequently, I bear responsibility for those calculations, not the Department of Elections.  Likewise, any conclusions are mine alone.  The agency staff made no effort to influence this article.


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67 responses to “The New Virginia Way: More People Voting”

  1. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    “I have heard people more knowledgeable than I am explain that there are a significant number of residents, particularly older Black people, who do not have photo IDs. In order to have some idea of what effect a requirement for a photo ID would have, it would be helpful if the Dept. of Elections could provide data on how many people voted in the last three general elections while showing some ID other than a photo.”

    American society, writ large, requires photo IDs to verify identity at critical times. Voting is a critical time. The only effective way to secure an election is before the vote is cast. Poll workers need a quick way to verify that the prospective voter is actually eligible to vote. Comparing the picture on the ID to the face of the person standing in front of them is a time-honored way to do it.

    Election security should take precedence over voter access. All states should provide photo IDs for voters who don’t otherwise have them. But, if a state does provide those IDs, and a voter chooses not to get one—then at some point the voter has to take some accountability.

    We don’t need to wait for data from any Department of Elections. American citizens have responsibilities. They can’t expect secure elections, if the voters won’t do their part to help secure them.

    I reject, and IMO we should all reject, any implication that America owes its citizens a convenient, easy election experience.
    If you value your vote, you should take the time before Election Day to get a photo ID. Or give the rest of us a convincing explanation why we shouldn’t expect that of you.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      WTH is wrong with a “convenient, easy election experience”? Photo ID is only one mode of ID. The technology exists to accept fingerprints and retina scans. 330 million folks with millions of ballots cast can be both secure and easy. The goal is to encourage the maximum number of eligible citizens to participate. If I could securely vote from home electronically, I would do so. Voting IS accountability.

      1. Donald Smith Avatar
        Donald Smith

        “WTH is wrong with a ‘convenient, easy election experience’”?

        The key word here that you omitted is “secure”. Or “trustworthy,” take your pick.

        “The technology exists to accept fingerprints and retina scans. 330 million folks with millions of ballots cast can be both secure and easy.”

        Yes, it does exist. But can we deploy it? At a reasonable cost? How do you enable millions of American households to vote securely from home? What are we, as Americans, willing to give up so we can vote from home? More funding for schools? Better healthcare?

        “If I could securely vote from home electronically, I would do so.” Oh, bully for you! But, would you mind getting up off your behind and going to the polling place? Is that too much of an inconvenience for you?

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Would y’all mind refraining from telling folks what and how to do? In one moment you chastise my omission of the word “ secure” and then quote my usage of the term. Do you register your auto online? Driver license? Pay bills, even taxes online? Completing the task and participating are the objectives, not how the task is done.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “WTH is wrong with a “convenient, easy election experience”?”

        Who was it in Virginia’s history that wanted to make voting difficult (at least for some)…?

        1. Donald Smith Avatar
          Donald Smith

          Who is it that wants to make Virginia’s elections more vulnerable to fraud…?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Sorry, we are no more vulnerable to fraud than we have ever been so that would be a straw man argument.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Sorry, we are no more vulnerable to fraud than we have ever been so that would be a straw man argument.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            “I don’t believe we are no more vulnerable”

            Meaning you think we are more vulnerable and are in agreement with Smith. Yet you characterize that as “a straw man argument”. Curious.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Corrected poorly written sentence.

      3. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        It’s another Jim McCarthy silly walk.

        What makes you think that fingerprinting or retina scans would be any easier to get than photo IDs? People would still have to make a trip and provide proof of identity to get iris scan ID or a fingerprint ID, just like with a photo ID. The issue is the process required to get the ID, not the method of ID, scan, fingerprint or photo.

        There might also be some resistance to requiring iris scans or fingerprinting to vote or to do much of anything else. That is pretty intrusive.

    2. VaNavVet Avatar
      VaNavVet

      A convenient, easy election experience is a laudable goal and is clearly better than the alternative. The voting franchise is a pillar of our democracy and what thousands of military members have given their lives for.

      1. Donald Smith Avatar
        Donald Smith

        “The voting franchise is a pillar of our democracy and what thousands of military members have given their lives for.”

        To imply, as you have done, that men and women have fought and died for a voting experience that is easy but not trustworthy is…well, that is on you.

        1. VaNavVet Avatar
          VaNavVet

          But it can be both easy and trustworthy!

    3. LesGabriel Avatar
      LesGabriel

      Although you touched on one aspect of the Motor Voter Law, you did not cover another very important provision of that law, namely the requirement that states actively maintain their voter rolls by removing those who died, became felons, became mentally incapacitated, or moved away from their voting jurisdiction. Many states have failed to follow the requirements of this law, at least until forced to do so by the Courts. Recent settlements have resulted in the removal of millions of no-longer valid registrations. Some might argue that there is no evidence that inflated voter rolls have led to widespread voter fraud, but that ignores the fact that there is no practical way of detecting or policing such fraud, especially where there is no photo-ID requirement.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        There existed a project called ERIC that assisted states in such identifications. VA was a founding member in 2012 under a Republican governor. Sadly, the new GOP administration has cancelled that participation.

        1. Donald Smith Avatar
          Donald Smith

          So, James, you’re saying that the Youngkin administration should do more to purge the voter rolls of ineligible voters? GREAT! What do you suggest?

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Re-joining ERIC!! ERIC offered far more than poll purging to member states than ID of ineligible voters.

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            Unfortunately, Virginia just recently left ERIC. Jim McCarthy is correct. That was a mechanism to detect some fraud. The Youngkin administration took this action despite a Code requirement that the Dept. of Elections cooperate with other states to detect double voting. https://www.npr.org/2023/05/11/1175662382/virginia-eric-withdrawal

            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter4/section24.2-404/

          3. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            You mean thankfully they left ERIC. I was a proponent of that. What about their “researchers” Dick?

          4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            What about them?

        2. LesGabriel Avatar
          LesGabriel

          “What’s wrong with ERIC? Add up the evidence: left-wing sponsors and affiliations, ineffective voter roll cleanup, robust voter registration efforts in swing states, sketchy data sharing practices—a “syndicate founded by leftists to manage voter registration rolls”—JUDICIAL WATCH President Tom Fitton calls it—disingenuous about its true motives and richly deserving of its coming collapse.” There is a reason that ERIC no longer has the trust of many states.

          1. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            You are forgetting their researchers and the fact you couldn’t report illegal voters to them.

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Sadly, none of what you assert about ERIC has been evidenced, only offered as speculative opinion. VA under a Republican governor founded ERIC.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Republicans make mistakes too you know.

      2. Donald Smith Avatar
        Donald Smith

        “that ignores the fact that there is no practical way of detecting or policing such fraud, especially where there is no photo-ID requirement.”

        Agreed. To take the point further, it appears that opponents of a photo ID have decided that significant voter fraud is a risk worth running, in order to allow widespread access to the franchise (of voting).

        Just think about all the ways in which that mindset can be exploited.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          DH-S disagrees as stated in his excellent article. I join his opinion.

          1. Donald Smith Avatar
            Donald Smith

            Thanks for taking a specific, for-the-record position. You are now on record.

        2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          As I explained, I tend to support the requirement of a photo ID, primarily to satisfy skeptics like you. However, I would like to know the prevalence of the use of other forms of ID. If other forms of ID are used in only a handful of cases, obviously widespread fraud is not going on.

          Before 2013, there was no absolute requirement in the Code that a voter show a photo ID in order to vote. I do not recall any cases of large scale fraud before that time that would have justified the need for such an ID. I can recall a time when all a voter had to do was to orally identify himself and his address.
          https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?131+ful+CHAP0703+pdf

          1. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            ID is not the only fraud.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I remember those days as well. For a long time, I never had to show any ID whatsoever to vote. They never even asked for it. There was no widespread fraud in those days. It is convenient that the demographic most negatively impacted by voter ID laws tends not to vote for the proponents of said voter ID laws… is it not…?

          3. Donald Smith Avatar
            Donald Smith

            “It is convenient that the demographic most negatively impacted by voter ID laws tends not to vote for the proponents of said voter ID laws… is it not…?”

            Insinuating that any demographic is unable to procure voter ID is patronizing…is it not? Or, are you willing to assert that certain demographics can’t be expected to procure a free, state-provided photo ID? Personally, I don’t think any such demographics exist in our country.

            “There was no widespread fraud in those days.”

            It doesn’t take a lot of fraud to swing close elections, and we have a lot of close elections. If you make it easier to commit voter fraud, you should expect that more people and groups will try it.

            What level of fraud are you OK with?

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            What is true is that it can be difficult to acquire some ID. I had to gather a number of ancillary documents and spend hours at DMV when I was forced to get a new Virginia driver’s license. My old one was perfectly adequate and accurate, btw. It was indeed an onus. It is clear that such an onus tends to depress voter turnout (particularly with some traditionally left-leaning voters) even if only for the reason that they haven’t had a chance to go get the ID they require. I don’t believe in coincidence…

            As to fraud, I should have said there was no reduction in fraud due to the new onus put on voters. That is because the law already has pretty hefty consequences for voter fraud and it is enforced. All voter ID laws do is add impediments to voters – they do not reduce fraud.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Were you trying to convert your Va driver’s license to “Real ID”?

            That set of requirements was onerous.

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Required to but yes…

          7. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Virginia’s DMV has a continuous record of where I have lived since 1961 and requiring things like current utility bills to verify my residence for Real ID was silly.

            The USG renewed my passport just by showing up at a Post Office, showing them my driver’s license and paying them.

            That gets me on a plane just as well as a “Real ID”. Some things are just goofy.

      3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        The Code requires the Registrar of Vital Statistics to transmit weekly to the Dept. of Elections a list of persons over 17 years old who have died in Virginia subsequent to the transmission of the last list. I don’t know how other states do it, but Virginia actively purges its voting rolls of people who have died.
        https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter4/section24.2-408/

      4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        The Code requires the Registrar of Vital Statistics to transmit weekly to the Dept. of Elections a list of persons over 17 years old who have died in Virginia subsequent to the transmission of the last list. I don’t know how other states do it, but Virginia actively purges its voting rolls of people who have died.
        https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter4/section24.2-408/

          1. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I’ve noticed that what’s supposed to happen in Virginia, whether due to a code, regulation, rule, process, or whatever, sometimes does not and the response is “Aww shucks”.

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            That underscores my point–Virginia is actively purging its records of people who have died. I note that the registrar did not say if any of those dead people on the registration records had been recorded as voting after their date of death. If there had been, I am fairly sure she would have reported that.

          3. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            They weren’t doing so. I notified them, 10 days later the news articles came out as they found dead people on the list.

    4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “Comparing the picture on the ID to the face of the person standing in front of them is a time-honored way to do it.”

      As Dick notes below, in Virginia at least, this is simply not true.

  2. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    DH-S, TY for the substantial and comprehensive presentation.

    1. Donald Smith Avatar
      Donald Smith

      As I said downthread, thanks for placing yourself on record;

  3. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    You have to have photo id to drive a car, buy beer, get medical care. You can get a free one so there is no excuse.

    2 weeks early voting, that’s it. We don’t need 45 days. Less than 100 ppl voted in the first week in VB. People start voting 2 weeks before. Why bother when you have all the time in the world?

    Votes have to be in by voting day. That means mail in votes. Sorry but you have a month and a half, get off your can, go vote.

    Yes there is voter fraud. Note the VDoE didn’t get rid of thousands of dead voters. Then ERIC is another security disaster.

    When the side believing in easy cheating is confronted with the facts, they shut down. I’ve asked for examples, etc. and they shut down. Tells you all you need to know.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      Do you need a photo ID to get marijuana at a dispensary in Virginia?

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        The “dispensaries” I’ve been familiar with over the years have not required photo IDs. Some “dispensaries” have had personal front and side views with identifying information. Some of those were featured in Post Offices.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Oh…those were the “undocumented” dispensaries

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Well they were officially “undocumented”, and strived to stay that way, but we all knew who they were.

            Has Virginia actually opened legal dispensaries? I haven’t been paying much attention, but thought they were indefinitely off somewhere in the future.

          2. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Yes, and of course they opened one up in Manassas, lots of potential clientele around there:

            Manassas, VA Cannabis Dispensary
            Beyond Hello
            BEYOND / HELLO™ Manassas, which is conveniently located in Northern Virginia at 8100 Albertstone Cir, Manassas, VA 20109.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            BEYOND / HELLO

            Far out, cosmic man, I can dig it. Is there any doubt they were stoned when they came up with the name?

            It’s close to the Clerk of the Court’s office. Convenient for those who have business both places.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      As I noted before, I don’t think requiring a photo ID is unreasonable. I don’t think it is needed, however. Before 2013, there was no such absolute requirement and the Commonwealth did not have widespread election fraud. There are no records to back me up, but I suspect that non-photo ID is not used very often. If it would satisfy election-deniers, I would not be opposed to requiring photo ID. By the way, your side won in 2021, even with no photo ID required.

      I also agree with you that 45 days of early voting is not needed. The Dept of Elections has some data on the number of early voters by date, but it is not complete and I could not use it. I would cut the time in half–21 days, three weeks.

      It is unfortunate that the registration rolls still had a significant number of people who had died. However, DOE did not indicate that any of those dead registrants had been recorded as voting after their death.

      Now, I ask you for examples of cheating.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        One of the points you and I disagree on, Dick. There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping the absentee voting period at 45 days. I, for one, appreciate being able to exit election season as early as possible. It also lessens the ability of the media to sway voters (for solely partisan purposes or worse advertiser interests) which is one of the biggest threats to our democracy we currently face. It is really not good to have dramatic swings in the electorate in closing days of an election. Too many opportunities for abuse exist at that point. Think FBI and Clinton emails…

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        One of the points you and I disagree on, Dick. There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping the absentee voting period at 45 days. I, for one, appreciate being able to exit election season as early as possible. It also lessens the ability of the media to sway voters (for solely partisan purposes or worse advertiser interests) which is one of the biggest threats to our democracy we currently face. It is really not good to have dramatic swings in the electorate in closing days of an election. Too many opportunities for abuse exist at that point. Think FBI and Clinton emails…

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I don’t think 45 days is wrong, per se. I just think that long a period is not necessary. I just wonder how many people vote in the first 2-3 weeks of that 45-day period. If it is only a handful, that’s a lot of money and manpower spent to accommodate a few voters who could have waited a week or so. Once reliable data is available, the picture will be clearer.

          What I find amusing are all the conservatives complaining about provision when it was Republicans who sponsored it. I notice that they have all avoided that fact.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “What I find amusing are all the conservatives complaining about provision when it was Republicans who sponsored it. I notice that they have all avoided that fact.”

            The problem with your argument is that you assign a political party to conservatism. It is and of itself merely an idea, that is untethered to a political party.

      3. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Do you have authority under the current rules to see voter data? If not, all I can do is point you to getting approved for that. I can show examples … more than 50 highly suspect ones in my own city.

  4. Matt Hurt Avatar
    Matt Hurt

    The faith in institutions has been eroding in our country for years, and voting is but one example. Things seemed to have ramped up with the “hanging chads” in the 2000 presidential election. I heard a lot of rhetoric of a stolen election in both the 2016 and 2020 election cycles from both sides of the aisle.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764

    It seems to me that if we were smart, we would lock Democrats and Republicans in a room and not let them out until they came up with a bipartisan plan to ensure that folks on either side would be more satisfied with the outcomes of each election. Losing faith in the electoral process will not end well for us.

  5. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    Interesting that the rise in turnout coincides with the increase in absentee voting. It was a surprise to me that absentee voting is about 1/3 of all votes in Virginia. Also interesting is the partisan difference in absentee voting with Democratic absentee voting being roughly twice that of Republican, and the dramatic split between in person absentee voting and mail/drop off voting.

    What is not clear is the impact, if any, on election results with the mixed success of Democratic and Republican candidates in elections with increased absentee voting.

    To the extent that absentee ballots are a technique for get out the vote efforts it would seem to behoove the Republicans to get on the bandwagon. OTOH efforts to restrict absentee voting, if successful, might have a similar impact on voting.

  6. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    Interesting that the rise in turnout coincides with the increase in absentee voting. It was a surprise to me that absentee voting is about 1/3 of all votes in Virginia. Also interesting is the partisan difference in absentee voting with Democratic absentee voting being roughly twice that of Republican, and the dramatic split between in person absentee voting and mail/drop off voting.

    What is not clear is the impact, if any, on election results with the mixed success of Democratic and Republican candidates in elections with increased absentee voting.

    To the extent that absentee ballots are a technique for get out the vote efforts it would seem to behoove the Republicans to get on the bandwagon. OTOH efforts to restrict absentee voting, if successful, might have a similar impact on voting.

  7. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    There has never been evidence of widespread in person voter fraud. There have been isolated reports of individual frauds, but in all it is very rare. The old political machine practice of voting tombstones appears to be pretty much in the past too.

    It is hard these days to have a rational discussion of the vulnerability of our voting systems, but it is a discussion we need to have. Electronic voting machines/systems have been hugely insecure from their first implementation to the present. They have not gotten better in the last couple of decades. The advent of widespread absentee voting has increased the potential for voting irregularities too. That voting is a local process in the US adds yet another set of variables.

    Developing and implementing a set of voting system best practices that is adopted nationwide would seem a doable and worthwhile exercise. We won’t get there as long as people are screaming at each other, and our elections will remain vulnerable to several different kinds of fraud.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      Wonder if the people who design and implement and configure electronic voting machines have any idea what Nessus and CIS benchmarks are.

  8. VaPragamtist Avatar
    VaPragamtist

    I’m all for increased voter engagement.

    What concerns me is ballot harvesting. Of course it’s incredibly difficult to prove (even more difficult than fraud. . .which like financial fraud, can be very well hidden).

    If I was a political machine engaged in ballot harvesting in the 2020 presidential election, here’s how I’d do it:

    1. I’d focus on the districts and precincts that historically vote in my favor. Hide it under the guise of “increased voter turnout.” An anomalic blue turnout in a red district or vice versa would raise red flags. Hide it in plain site.

    So how do we know if this happened? Look at the voter turnout data–especially new voters–in swing states precinct-by-precinct. Does the trend in increase in turnout (especially new voters) hold constant across the board, or is there a discrepancy?

    2. If I’m harvesting ballots for the presidential race, I’m not going to care too much about down ballot races. So I’m just going to fill out the races at the top of the ticket.

    How do we know if this happened? Looking at the same swing states, compare the ballots cast over time: does the percentage of full ballots completed remain roughly the same (especially in the precincts with large numbers of new voters), or is there significant variation in the 2020 election?

  9. Great research, Dick.

    My impression from these numbers and other evidence is that both political parties are prone to hyperbole. Democrats cry voter suppression and Republicans howl about voter fraud. Both phenomena are greatly exaggerated.

    Regarding voter ID (which I support), if Dems worry that thousands of elderly or minority voters don’t have IDs, why can’t they devote a fraction of the money devoted to fighting voter ID to identifying and helping voters who need help getting an ID? Methinks they prefer having an issue to inflame the base.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      I strongly suspect they do both, JAB.

  10. Tom B Avatar

    Bt and large, the same people who tell me there was/is no provable election fraud are the same ones who told me that the Steele Dossier was true, the pee tape was true, and lockdowns were necessary.

    They also tell me that requiring photo ID to vote is racist and an attack on democracy, but that showing photo ID, paying a fee (tax) for a background check, and a waiting period to exercise my constitutionally proteceted right to own a firearm is just common sense gun control and not a violation of “shall not be infringed”.
    To which I reply: Oh, really?

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