The General Assembly to Enlist in the Reading Wars?

by Matt HurtA few days ago. Delegate Carrie Coyner, R-Chesterfield, and Senator Louise Lucas, D-Portsmouth,

submitted HB319 and SB616, both titled, “The Virginia Literacy Act.” These bills intend to codify instructional practices regarding the Science of Reading into Virginia law. While there are some widely acknowledged positives associated with the Science of Reading, it is not apparent to me that the bill will improve outcomes for Virginia students.

First, the reading wars have raged for more years than I have been alive. Initially the warring factions were the “whole language” zealots versus the phonics militants. Eventually the supporters of phonics won the battle. Soon thereafter, a rift emerged among the phonics camp about how much of the reading instruction should be straight phonics versus a blend of phonics and other activities, such as writing, word study, and etc.

Word count limits the ability of this essay to further investigate the reading wars, but suffice it to say that the smart money says these wars will rage long after I’m dead. While some educators may welcome the science-of-reading mandates, others will find them a bitter pill to swallow. Folks tend to spit out things they find bitter. Given our recent experience with the Critical Race Theory fury, it seems that mandating controversial things may not be a wise move, either practically or politically.

Second, not many people, especially outside of education, understand that effective instruction (as measured by student outcomes) cannot be boiled down to a simple algorithm. Education is a people business. People, primarily the student and the teacher, but also the principal, parents, and central office administrators, interact in ways that can produce positive outcomes or not- so-positive outcomes. In the case of our more successful divisions, especially those which educate a greater percentage of at-risk students, we see greater trust and collaboration as well as higher expectations. In our experience, these intangibles significantly outweigh the effects on student outcomes than programs and strategies. There are no magic bullets in education, and if there were, all of our chambers would already be loaded with them.

Third, schools and divisions involved in the school improvement process are required by the Virginia Department of Education’s office of school improvement to implement scientifically researched based strategies and programs, and document them in a detailed plan. Unfortunately, some schools are perpetually in the improvement process because the performance of their students has not improved. It is not apparent that by mandating more plans, student outcomes will make a difference.

Fourth, this bill does not honor the real improvements realized in recent years by schools and divisions across the state. For example, Region VII, which has the highest rate of economically disadvantaged students, the highest rates of students with disabilities, and the lowest per pupil funding, also has had the highest reading SOL pass rates for the last few years. They also have the lowest performance gaps among historically underperforming subgroups. What is the rationale to force these successful schools and divisions to introduce the chaos of a new way of conducting business? I firmly believe in the old adage. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.

Proposed Amendments

Components of this bill, however, do have merits that potentially could benefit Virginia’s students. Below are some suggestions that could mitigate the expected negatives and maximize the positives.

  1. Set clear, measurable expectations for student achievement in reading as measured by an objective assessment that is commonly administered across the Commonwealth. This should begin with Kindergarten students.
  2. Remove the burden of instructional strategy mandates and requirements for student, school, and division plans. At the end of the day, we shouldn’t be as concerned about how teachers get the kid proficient (so long as they do so in a legally, ethically, and morally correct manner) as we are about the student’s outcomes.
  3. Remove the requirement that the Virginia Department of Education becomes the arbiter of what comprises a scientifically research-based program and strategy, and what is not.
  4. Remove all aspects which will burden teachers from the bill (student reading plans, requirements for training for recertification, etc.).  We’re having a hard enough time encouraging teachers to enter and remain in the field, and we don’t need any more disincentives.
  5. Keep one-reading-coach-per-school standard. While schools that are most successful with at-risk students tend not to have a reading coach (because they can’t afford them), this could certainly help, if appropriately funded.
  6. Keep the intensive training for prospective teachers as well as optional training for practicing teachers. If the training is as good as it is supposed to be, there won’t be any issues in getting practicing teachers to participate.
  7. Keep in mind that a “rigorous” assessment could prove to be a barrier for entrance into the teaching profession, and we already have a shortage. This should be carefully considered in the light of possible unintended consequences which discourage or prohibit potential teachers from entering the field. If there was a glut of prospective teachers in the pipeline, this wouldn’t be a problem.

In conclusion, it is unlikely that government-mandated instructional strategies will cause the desired outcomes. Instead, we need leadership that gets everyone pulling in the same direction for a common, measurable goal. Our progress towards that goal must be measured periodically by a common assessment, and the assessment results must be transparently displayed. That way, someone who is in a struggling school can ask someone in a school that has experienced significant gains, “what did you do to make that happen?”Matt Hurt is director of the Comprehensive Instructional Program based in Wise.


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72 responses to “The General Assembly to Enlist in the Reading Wars?”

  1. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Coyner voted with EVERY gun control legislation. Now she’s in bed with Lucas? Where is the R party?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      This comment reflects what is wrong with politics today. It implies that folks who differ on one subject, in this case, guns, should not agree in other areas. I long for the days in which Dan Daniel, the conservative Congressman from Southside Virginia, was a golfing buddy of Tip O’Neill, the liberal Congressman and Speaker from Boston. Even more recent, Sen. Ted Kennedy was a partner with President George Bush on major education legislation. It is called bi-partisanship.

      1. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Considering gun control = race control, she’s the only R I know that is for it.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    Matt – sorta on topic. Does PALS play a role in Region VII ?

    1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      Larry, PALS is a good instrument for determine is kids have phonetic awareness. They also need a decent sight vocabulary and most importantly they need vocabulary. I may be able to sound out a word, but many economically disadvantaged kids haven’t a clue what it means once they sound it out.

      Here is my example. I once had a 4th grader scratching his head while pondering a question in science. The question was – What would happen to a petunia if you left it in a closet for three weeks? Although he could read the question, he thought a petunia was a dog. He couldn’t figure out why anyone would leave a dog in a closet. Imagine his response.

      PALS helps understand if the student can sound out words. It does not give a good analysis of vocabulary.

    2. Matt Hurt Avatar

      Kathleen is right on the nose with PALs. However, it is mandated to be used as a universal screener (to determine which kids need more help) in grades K-2. While it is a good assessment, it takes an inordinate amount of time to administer to a classroom, on the order of two weeks. On top of that, it has to be administered 3 times a year.

      Not every kid needs that intensive an assessment. Most kids are going to progress just fine whether their teachers get that kind of data or not. Most teachers don’t even use that data with most kids.

      In this day and time, it is criminal that the state requires such a time intensive universal screener. Electronic assessments, such as NWEA MAP, can serve the same purpose, plus provide a nationally normed reading score for the student (something PALS does not provide) which can provide teachers and administrators with another data point to monitor progress. These types of assessments take about 30 minutes for the entire class. Then, if a teacher feels that a specific student needs additional assessment to better identify learning gaps, the teacher can then administer more intensive assessments.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I’m not wedded to PALs as an assessment but point out that BEFORE you can decide HOW to teach a kid, you DO have to know their current status and especially so if they have learning deficits in some areas.

        What PALS and other assessments show is that different kids have different issues and NEED different approaches to their specific needs.

        There is no one-size-fits-all that works for all kids and especially so the economically disadvantaged which need different approaches than kids whose parents have worked with their kids on language and reading prior to formal school.

        No pols “mandated” PALS and other assessments. They came about as a result of professional education efforts that were not fettered by political mandates and one-size-fits-all approaches.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” The Early Intervention Reading Initiative (EIRI) was established by the 1997 Virginia Acts of Assembly, Chapter 924, Item 140, to serve either kindergarten or first-grade students to reduce the number of children with reading problems through early diagnosis and immediate intervention. During the 2000 General Assembly, this initiative was expanded to serve kindergarten through third-grade students. Participating school divisions must administer a diagnostic assessment to students identified as needing reading intervention at prescribed times in grades K-3. Since 2000, through a contract with the University of Virginia (UVA), the Phonological Awareness Literacy Screening (PALS) External Link has been provided to school divisions at no charge to identify the students to receive reading intervention, while specifying the types of deficiencies to be addressed.”

            Sounds like schools do have some latitude of which assessments to use.

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Yes sir. Only one division administers something in lieu of PALS- Fairfax. VDOE requires a division to administer the proposed assessment alongside the PALS for one year within the division, and provide VDOE with an analysis of the data demonstrating the correlation between the two. They don’t have a list that you can choose from. In fact, a division simply can’t choose to use the one that Fairfax uses, they have to go through the same process with an assessment that has already been approved by another division.

            Hopefully this provides a glimpse into my fear of such things being mandated. When it comes to government, the bean counters can’t use commonsense, they must follow the procedures that have been laid out to ensure compliance. These procedures tend to be require tons of time, and are not so much driven by outcomes.

          3. Kathleen Smith Avatar
            Kathleen Smith

            Because it is a state mandate, too much time is spent on phonemic awareness and not enough time on vocabulary development.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            And in general , I AGREE that top-down dictates from Richmond on HOW to do something ARE misguided.

            However, I just want to remind that things like the SOLs are also top-down and without that , we’d not have a statewide approach to measuring academic performance nor be able to identify which schools are doing well and which ones are not.

            The mandate to assess is also needed, IMHO. If there are better ways to assess with less formality and within the instruction process, I’m all for that but we need to require the assessments just like the SOLs because if we do not, some schools and divisions will not do it. I’m also in favor of reducing high-stakes SOLs but still gathering the data so we can measure the academic performance of each child.

            If we do not measure , how do we know? This is the problem I have with charters. If we want charters, then we must measure.

            I still ask if we do assessments, why we can and do give letter grades that are at odds with those assessments and we find out they are when the SOLs are given.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s a state mandate to assess… right?
            does the state mandate precisely what to assess?

            Is Vocabulary development measured in the SOLs?

            What keeps any school from assessing vocabulary development also in addition?

            If you don’t assess these things (both phonics awareness AND Vocabulary development) , how do you measure progress? How do you know what help to provide to the child?

          6. Kathleen Smith Avatar
            Kathleen Smith

            Because it is a state mandate, too much time is spent on phonemic awareness and not enough time on vocabulary development.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            Perhaps an example of a “top-down” mandate? One question I have is why was it mandated in the first place? My impression is that without such a mandate, some systems may not use such assessments.

            Do we need a law that mandates the USE of asssessments but allows VDOE to specify various ones that are acceptable?

            From what I understand, correct if wrong, PALS is widely used including in other states and with commercial virtual programs.

            I think GOOD software MIGHT collect such assessment info in the course of ordinary day-to-day learning activities (or be a homework assignment) without the need of set-aside time but I’m told that such software does not currently exist.

          8. Matt Hurt Avatar

            NWEA MAP is an example. It is a not-for-profit that is highly respected for it’s assessments and data.
            https://www.nwea.org/

            Most of the kids are ready to start in their divisions’ reading program on day one, with all of the prerequisite skills. These programs do a pretty good job at starting them off in the right place and sequence their activities to build a good reading foundation. When students do not have the prerequisites is where we run into problems. That’s where a more intensive assessment, such as PALS can demonstrate merit.

        1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
          Kathleen Smith

          The IOWA AND NWEA ALSO MEASURE VOCABULARY.

      2. Kathleen Smith Avatar
        Kathleen Smith

        Amen to that Brother Matt. Let teachers teach. Any K teacher knows what kids need help!?

  3. Why do we need reading — we have Alexa & Siri

  4. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    What are they doing in Region VII that other regions are not doing?

    1. Matt Hurt Avatar

      I really think they’re focusing more on student outcomes than teacher inputs. When we look at the most successful divisions in our consortium, the expectations for teachers and administrators is to produce positive results for students. In less successful divisions, it is more likely that the expectations are to implement a specific program or strategy.

      Therefore, when those programs or strategies don’t produce the desired results, the teachers and principals can rest easy with the knowledge that they followed orders and implemented that strategy or program with fidelity. On top of that, the higher ups can’t fuss about the outcomes, because they micromanaged the process. This same type of scenario will work out with this bill, but on a statewide basis.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I was under the impression that Region VII did use a centralized approach to codifying the techniques of successful teachers who produced good outcomes – to ask other teachers to follow those techniques also.

        wrong?

        1. Matt Hurt Avatar

          Yes sir. The only thing we centralize is a general pacing guide (teach these skills within this 45 days) and common assessments.

          There are some general themes that are pervasive, namely curriculum alignment, positive relationships, and high expectations. Many teachers do collaborate with others, comparing data to see who has things figured out, and then trying to do the same things.

          However, mandated instructional strategies do not work at scale. If a teacher doesn’t have any faith in it, it won’t work regardless of how scientifically research based it is.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Right, but these things are “centralized”, formulated and distributed to teachers as some level of “guidance” , no?

            And your point about low expectations is about a non-standard, non-centralized manner of assigning letter grades that may not match up at all with actual SOL performance. Right?

            So, is that issue addressed from a higher-up guidance of how to assign letter grades so they actually are more in line with SOL performance?

            It appears to me this problem is endemic in many non-Region VII low-performing schools in various other districts across the state.

            Which is a bit curious if they actually are using assessments because the assessment ought to be identifying the deficits regardless of letter grades, no?

            If schools won’t do assessments, is that fair game for a state-level mandate?

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Not quite.

            The pacing guides and common assessments are ground up. We gather a team of teachers from around the consortium each year so that they can make those things what they want them to be. Then they are distributed to everyone.

            As far as the grading, there is no algorithm that we have which spits out a grade if a student does x, y, or z. Teachers understand what the curriculum frameworks call for, and if students demonstrate mastery, they get a good grade. If not, they don’t.

            Then the magic happens- for those that don’t demonstrate mastery, those teachers work extra with them until they do, based on what they observe the students have a hard time with combined with those assessment results.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            re: ” Then they are distributed to everyone.”

            It does depend on whether these pacing guides are required or not and if teachers are judged by their use of them.

            In terms of grades. I though you said a few blogs ago something about lower “expectations” and somehow I got the idea you were talking about grading practices of giving higher grades than the kids performance warranted.

            Was I wrong?

            So the assessments are needed and important for determining the deficits that need to be addressed?

            I presume you support the concept use of assessments but not top-down mandates of certain ones or related?

            I would think, (and I totally admit I have no education experience) that one way to do assessments would be in the course of normal teachings when certain exercises and testing was done – that some key questions were with respect to specific skills and from that – a less formal, less time-consuming assessment process could be done. You could even get that out of some take home work.

            At any rate… is my thinking about letter grades and “low” expectations correct?

          4. Matt Hurt Avatar

            I’m with you on top down expectations and assessments for accountability purposes. Given our current system, it’s hard telling if our kids could ever read or do math.

            However, how you get it done should be a local decision. Think of it in terms of the battlefield. A successful general does not micromanage his troops. He gives them an objective (take that sector by 10:00), and allows them to use their initiative to get it done.

            As far as the grades, a big factor is the work that is assigned. For example, if the standard requires students to do a multistep mathematical operation, but the teacher only requires single step, the grades will be higher than they otherwise should be.

            Teachers who have higher expectations, also tend to believe that their kids can be successful. They understand that the standards of learning are the minimum, and they make sure that their kids can do at least that. Man, they don’t cut’em any slack, but they also bend over backwards outside of class working with kids who struggle.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            Okay.

            So when “less” they’re not assigning work at a rigor lower than the SOLs require?

            So what I’m trying to understand is how a given school in a place like Fairfax or Henrico has SOL scores in the 50’s – when other schools in those same districts have SOLs in the 90’s.

            We’re not talking about individual teachers but entire schools… many teachers…. collectively coming in with SOLs in the 50’s.

            It’s not like the School District itself does not have standards…. there must be…

          6. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Well, I would assume there’s a few factors at play.

            First, it’s a lot easier to get a doctor’s or lawyer’s kid to pass the SOL test than a kid who lives in a trailer park. The parents of the former student has very high educational expectations of the student, and the parent(s) of the latter isn’t really all that involved in the student’s education.

            Second, when there’s a wide variety of economic circumstances in a division, very wealthy and very poor, it is difficult for folks not to have lower expectations of the very poor. Most divisions do not look at their data from a relative perspective outside their division boundaries. Therefore, when school A (the school with the doctor’s and lawyer’s kids) excels in student achievement, that’s to be expected. When school B (the school that serves the trailer park kids) fails, that’s also to be expected.

            I bet money that those folks haven’t looked at the comparative data to see how their trailer park school compares to other trailer park schools across the state. VDOE posts sufficient data for anyone to make such comparisons.

            All this also comes down to the fact that there is no real collective mission in K12 education in Virginia. If you ask 10 people (teachers, school admin, central office admin, VDOE, Board of Education, General Assembly, etc.) what our mission is, you’ll likely get 10 different answers. We need a collective mission, one that’s objectively measurable, so that folks can get lined up and pulling in the same direction.

            We need to come to consensus on the definition of what compromises a good education in Virginia, come to agreement on the intermediate measures of that, and then everyone work towards that end.

            Just for example, not everyone can get behind the SOL test program. In my opinion, it’s does a pretty good job of determining whether or not students meet basic literacy and numeracy expectations, which are prerequisites for anyone’s definition of what constitutes a good education.

            If you want to see an example of a less quality state assessment system, simply look to our neighbors to the southwest. Tennessee doesn’t even have data for some courses for some years because they had to invalidate their tests due to some issues or another. Their state legislature has their hands deep in the educational system, and those legislators know about as much about education as ours. Many educators in Tennessee administer the state tests because they have to, and really don’t have any confidence in the results. They also don’t have a state accreditation system like we do, and only Title I schools that fall in the bottom 5%-10% in performance face any sanctions, and those are federal only.

            In other words, as long as we support the notion that teaching to the test is a cringeworthy in Math and English, we also support the excuses that facilitate the poor performance of many struggling schools and divisions.

  5. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Good job again Matt. Scientifically based reading programs were once approved by DOE, feds. Then we claimed there was a big black hole of lost funding. Politicians need to leave the job to professionals. It is about teaching and learning not political doting for the sake of votes.

    1. VaNavVet Avatar

      Sounds like good advice for our new Governor.

  6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    On point, Matt. Kids can read or they cannot.

    Decentralize decisions on how to teach down to the school division, school and teacher levels. Then make those levels accountable for results, not methods.

    The major – irreplaceable really – missing component of accountability is the inability of the state to take over a failed school or school district. Experience in Virginia with passing laws to effect that is that we were adjudged by the legal community to need a constitutional amendment to make that happen.

    With the necessary amendment in place, the state could establish a state board specifically to run such failing schools or districts. Many other states handle it that way. Virginia does not. There will be political support and opposition to that change, as there is with anything, but time to try.

    Sen. Lucas and Delegate Coyner would do the kids a far bigger favor by sponsoring such an amendment.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Not well known, VDOE DID have a failed school takeover program. This is a reason why you have not heard of it.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        I wrote a column about it. It was attempted with the passage of a law. The law was considered unconstitutional. It was repealed. Thus my call for a constitutional amendment.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          I must have missed it but I know of a school in Spotsylvania that had a VDOE-assigned “take-over specialist” that did not end well. I do not know of how many other schools also got VDOE-assigned “specialists”.

          I’m NOT opposed to standing-up taxpayer-funded Charters SPECIFICALY for troubled schools as long as their academic performance is as transparent as public schools and there is equivalent accountability.

          I’ve provided lists of such school in Henrico and as far as I know, such low-performing schools in Henrico have never been a focus of BR.

  7. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    On point, Matt. Kids can read or they cannot.

    Decentralize decisions on how to teach down to the school division, school and teacher levels. Then make those levels accountable for results, not methods.

    The major – irreplaceable really – missing component of accountability is the inability of the state to take over a failed school or school district. Experience in Virginia with passing laws to effect that is that we were adjudged by the legal community to need a constitutional amendment to make that happen.

    With the necessary amendment in place, the state could establish a state board specifically to run such failing schools or districts. Many other states handle it that way. Virginia does not. There will be political support and opposition to that change, as there is with anything, but time to try.

    Sen. Lucas and Delegate Coyner would do the kids a far bigger favor by sponsoring such an amendment.

  8. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    5 kids. 4 learned whole word Mom and Dad reading – no problem. 1 with Hooked on Phonics was like a light switch. Do what works.
    Like with treating Covid…different people are…different!

  9. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    The reforms will receive their due attention and then the teacher proceeds with what really works. Leave Region VII alone. They seem to have a good recipe.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The author runs Region VII

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        There was a chart, I think, comparing Region VII SOLs with other school districts in the state.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yep. The issue with some schools, like Loudoun, Fairfax, Henrico, Chesterfield is the “gap” between high scoring kids and low scoring kids.

            There are quite a few schools in these districts that have abysmal scores. at the same time they also have some of the highest scoring schools in Virginia (and the country).

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Thank you. Yes, impressive! is this ALL region VII schools? Is there a similar chart for only the REGION VII schools that are in the consortium?

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Yes sir, this is all Region VII combined, and they are all in the consortium.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            All of Region VII is in the consortium?

            I sure had a wrong impression on that.

            Any chance you might post the SOLs for each school in Region VII (assuming you have them easily)?

          4. Matt Hurt Avatar

            All of that data is on the VDOE SOL build-a-table website for anyone who is interested.

          5. Matt Hurt Avatar

            I find it more instructive to use comparative data so that it controls for differing standards, assessments, assessment practices, and situations such as Covid year over year.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            the SOLs…

            We have schools in Fairfax, Arlington, Henrico who do score in the 80s-90s so they must have some approach that “works’ and/or they are teaching kids of a highly-educated parental demographic.

          7. Matt Hurt Avatar

            I would bet the farm that their demographics are more consistent with higher performing schools.

            This is a view of data that I look use to control for the poverty demographic when evaluating division SOL performance. The x-axis is the relative poverty enrollment and the y-axis is the relative SOL performance. The negative sloping dotted line is the line demonstrates an approximation of what SOL performance for each division would be if there was a 1 to 1 correlation between achievement and poverty, which their isn’t (negative, significant, small correlation, which has been declining over the last 5-6 years).
            Those 10 divisions named were those that outperformed this trend to the greatest degree last year.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f17fc8679b9773bb7a25e812bd498862eb9f685bd1747c057dd1a463a9eada52.jpg

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            all rural schools… not urban low income demographic

          9. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Rural for sure, and low income as well. In fact, the two greatest positive outliers, Norton and Wise, are also the lowest funded per pupil in the state.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            whatever ya’ll have, the urban low income schools need some version of.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            I went ahead and pulled the EOC data for the CIP schools, and I have to repeat – it’s truly an impressive accomplishment!

            The kids who stay in school and graduate score quite well on the reading, math and science SOLs.

            The rest of the schools in Virginia, especially the low-performing ones need to be aware and seek more info from the CIP about how they achieved this remarkable outcome.

            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DOWmgMslFE-udwZwn4q90CtT3NkpXbMXADGKH_fQDic/edit?usp=sharing

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        He is a good one too. Would have been my choice for State Superintendent.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          He was mine. He did not apply because he prefers the job he has.

  10. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Hurt making sense again…My wife doesn’t do blogs, but this would be her topic. The reading wars waged through her entire career, her master’s is in reading instruction, and her position became that different children learn different ways and a struggling child might need the method not in political favor at the time…People who preach The One Way, The Only Way are off base.

    My position is more basic. People cannot read because they do not read. Even if properly taught and prepared, they can then go through life and never read a book or other complex material ever again and suffer all the problems that brings down the road.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Before it ever gets to what/how to teach, the kid needs to be assessed with something like PALs to determine where their deficits are. ( as explained to me):
      Top level ( there are sub-levels for each):

      http://www.coolteachingstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/5-Levels-of-Phonological-Awareness-1024×791.jpg

  11. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    This is a wonderful post. It epitomizes what is the strength of this blog–a well reasoned argument that makes one question his own assumptions.

    I am a fan of phonics. I am a product of “whole word” instruction, however. I am a slow reader. That might be a result of how I was taught to read, I don’t know. On the other hand, my wife used phonics to teach our daughter to read at a very early age. She was reading well by age 3. Since then, she has been a very fast reader, with excellent comprehension and retention. My daughter then proceeded to teach her children in much the same manner, with basically the same results.

    I understand your argument against central mandates. But, I keep coming back to the example of Mississippi. About eight years ago, the state embarked on a plan in which each school district was required to use an approach based on the “science of reading”. It was a combination of phonics and language comprehension (vocabulary). In 2019, the program produced results that drew national attention. In that year, it was the only state in the country to post significant gains on the 4th grade reading test and the gains were dramatic. The state rose from near the bottom to the middle of the pack.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/opinion/mississippi-schools-naep.html

    In doing some quick browsing before developing my thoughts for this comment, I discovered that several states have adopted legislation dealing with the science of reading. North Carolina adopted legislation last year requiring its schools to use the approach used by Mississippi. There are a good number of skeptics, however. While they acknowledge the progress of Mississippi, they point out that the state’s average scores are still below the level that would be considered good and doubt that its rate of progress is sustainable. Like you, Matt, they argue for an individualized approach to reading.

    https://www.wfae.org/education/2021-04-26/some-nc-leaders-say-mississippis-model-charts-the-way-to-helping-kids-read

    I worry about legislators codifying specific approaches to learning. Not only do some children do best with one approach while others respond better to other approaches, the “science” of education, like other sciences, is constantly evolving. And you also make a good case for the intangibles.

    From what I can tell, research shows that about 40 percent of children learn to read, no matter the approach and no matter the inadequacy of the instruction. It is the other 60 percent that we have to worry about.

    I like your recommendations, but I worry that, without some form of central requirement, some school districts will not make the effort to meet “clear, measurable expectations for student achievement in reading” you advocate. I am of the school of “it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” I don’t want to tamper with what Region VII is doing, but how do we get those school districts that are failing to change to what is effective?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Ironically, Region VII itself appears to be using a centralized approach to instruction – which I support and if adopted in other school systems , would require some level of top-down, centralized approach.

      What drives Region VII is outcomes. What drives the GA political dictates is some “belief” of what works without a clue as to how or why, IMHO.

      Mississippi improved dramatically by helping more kids reach basic levels – that moves Mississippi from near last to near the middle. The next step is programs to move kids from basic to advanced and better prepared for college and technical careers.

      I agree with Dick on this particular blog. It’s one of the few in BR where discussion is reasonable without name-calling and culture war idiocy.

      Would like to see more – a return to BR’s roots.

    2. Matt Hurt Avatar

      I strongly advocate that we need to adopt expectations for student progress in reading in grades K-2, as well as a better tool to measure them. Right now, there are no expectations what so ever. This can also be added to the state’s accreditation model.

      Since there are no statewide expectations, it is up to the division to set those expectations. Some do a good job with that, and others don’t really pay it much attention. When the expectations are made, and the data are published, then we can tell who is getting it done, and figure out how they’re doing it.

      The problem with looking at practices that have been implemented in other states is that most folks don’t consider all of the conditions under which the practice was implemented.

      Also, I am certainly not for adopting practices of states that perform significantly lower than us. I’m not saying it’s necessarily a bad practice, but the argument is pretty silly to do something of someone less successful than you.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        OK, this is going to be a good day. It is not even 8:00 and I can say that I have learned something new. On the not-so-bright side, the something new I learned is somewhat distressing.

        Somehow, I had assumed that there are minimum expectations for schools and school divisions. I guess I assumed that with SOLs and accreditation standards, somewhere in there were expectations. For example, one hears often of teachers “teaching to the test” for the SOL tests and teachers providing students help on the tests in order to beef up their class score. All in an effort to meet some of evaluation of the teacher. But, now you tell me there are no expectations.

        Of course, there should be expectations. The schools set expectations for students. There should be some sort of expectations for schools.

      2. Kathleen Smith Avatar
        Kathleen Smith

        Inputs plus process equal outcome. If the input of a program that is researched base, so too are the outcome. The discrepancy model, above, was used to determine that the black hole in funding for researched based program was caused by crappy inputs.
        Example, program calls for a reading specialist to work with teachers to provide coaching. I decide to cut my losses with bad teachers and make them coaches so that they don’t actually teach students. THis happened with the Success for All program. Guess what happened? MONEY WASTED.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Yep. there are lots of ways to do it or not but if you don’t measure the outputs, what do you know?

          Don’t you need to know if your inputs and process have yielded what you intended?

          Without assessments, how would one know what inputs and process to start with?

          Without SOLs , how would one know that your approach with inputs and process did work?

      3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        OK, this is going to be a good day. It is not even 8:00 and I can say that I have learned something new. On the not-so-bright side, the something new I learned is somewhat distressing.

        Somehow, I had assumed that there are minimum expectations for schools and school divisions. I guess I assumed that with SOLs and accreditation standards, somewhere in there were expectations. For example, one hears often of teachers “teaching to the test” for the SOL tests and teachers providing students help on the tests in order to beef up their class score. All in an effort to meet some of evaluation of the teacher. But, now you tell me there are no expectations.

        Of course, there should be expectations. The schools set expectations for students. There should be some sort of expectations for schools.

        1. Matt Hurt Avatar

          There are expectations in the SOL tested grades beginning in 3rd, but not in K-2.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Here’s something else I do not understand. If assessments are required, then how is a “low-expectation” letter (higher) grade given?

            If the assessment actually show deficits, then how can a higher letter grade be given, then the truth found out when the SOLs are given? How can that happen?

            It would seem to me that a low SOL score that is lower than the letter grade and more consistent with the assessment would be a problem for the teacher and the principal to “explain”.

            Isn’t this where the lack of standards and centralized policy results in failure?

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Well, here’s the reality of the situation.

            First of all, very few folks evaluate the relationship between final grades and SOL scores.

            Second, some folks feel that the expectations from the state are overly rigorous for their kids. Therefore, they don’t feel that it’s morally correct to assign a kid a bad grade when the kid “doesn’t have the ability”.

            Third, most SOLs are administered at the end of the school year. The summer tends to wash away many of these issues, and they start out the next year with a clean slate. Lather, rinse, repeat!

  12. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    Centralized policy (Improve children’s reading and comprehension) is good.

    Centralized procedures (Use this method, document it that way) often get in the way of achieving the policy.

    1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      Great description

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      I agree. Stipulate outcomes and how to measure and let the professionals determine how to do it.

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