School Discipline in Virginia – Part 4 – The False Legend of PBIS Effectiveness

Catherine P. Bradshaw
Senior Associate Dean for Research & Faculty Development Professor, UVa School of Education and Human Development

by James C. Sherlock

To discover the origins of the legend that Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) is effective, we have to dig into the interlocking government and ed school interest groups that fund and publish “studies” that validate their views.

The goal of the ed schools is always to capture the attention, funding and approval of the federal Department of Education (DOE) of their new bright ideas.

The method is to use DOE’s own seemingly limitless grant money and its bureaucracy’s predisposition to progressive causes to fund studies conducted by progressive “educators” that prove progressive theory.

Where is the anti-trust division of the Justice Department when we need it?

The legend of PBIS effectiveness is perhaps most founded on a famous study conducted in Maryland, the results of which were reported in 2010. The abstract claimed that the schools in the trial experienced significant reductions in student suspensions and office discipline referrals compared to the control group.

That worked until the Department’s Institute for Education Sciences What Works Clearinghouse (WWC) took a look at that study more than a decade later and found that while the study design and execution met scientific standards, it offered:

  • “No Statistically Significant Positive Findings”; and
  • that the evidence for that finding was strong.

Oops.

Many of Virginia’s school divisions have gone down the PBIS rabbit hole and continue to do so at great cost both in time and money and in opportunity costs, i.e. the ability to try interventions actually proven to work.

We’ll trace that 2010 report.

We will find that the study’s leader, now a professor at the University of Virginia’s ed school, is now on the inside of IES, chairing a What Works Clearinghouse (WWC) practice guide on positive behavior support.

Yeah, my take is the same as yours.

The swamp is eternal.

Procedural fidelity in behavioral analysis. The term Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) is a term that was introduced in the 1997 amendments to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).

When PBIS is implemented in the schools, it is referred to as School-Wide Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports – sometimes the acronym is SWPBIS most often shortened to PBIS, as I have done in this series.

The  Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis (JABA, 1 Feb, 2023has just raised the profile of a major long-time issue:

Procedural fidelity is the extent to which independent variables are implemented as designed. Despite 40 years of discussion about the importance of procedural fidelity for behavioral research, reporting of fidelity data remains an uncommon practice in behavior-analytic journals.

It decries the historically low quality of standards for publication.

That same JABA article notes that procedural fidelity has been for many years a problem in school special education studies.

That 2023 JABA report says, basically, that published behavioral research has not always been scientific. It specifically calls out school psychology for “a lack of guidelines and practical considerations that may be significant barriers to including fidelity data.”

They also find that “scholars may feel particularly confident when behavior changes in the expected direction.”

That is shorthand for “developers and supporters of educational theory should not be ones who test it.”

But those are the people who are nearly always funded by the federal DOE. That is the dirty secret.

The Foundational Study of PBIS effectiveness. The foundational study was led by Professor Catherine Bradshaw, a highly honored developmental psychologist who was at John’s Hopkins at the time of that study.

She is now “Senior Associate Dean for Research & Faculty Development” at UVa’s School of Education and Human Development. 

She is also chairing a What Works Clearinghouse (WWC) practice guide on positive behavior support.

Professor Bradshaw’s “Examining the Effects of Schoolwide Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports on Student Outcomes: Results From a Randomized Controlled Effectiveness Trial in Elementary Schoolswas published in the Journal of Positive Behavior Interventions, v12 n3 p133-148 Jul 2010.

It accelerated the adoption of PBIS across the country and is still a go-to reference for PBIS supporters.

The extract from Professor Bradshaw’s report, which is all most people will read,  claimed:

School-level longitudinal analyses indicated that the schools trained in SWPBIS implemented the model with high fidelity and experienced significant reductions in student suspensions and office discipline referrals.” [Emphasis added.]

It is the word significant with which WWC disagreed more than 11 years later.

We note that PBIS required a lot of training and a lot of support during the trial.

Schoolwide positive behavioral interventions and supports teams attend an initial 2-day summer training and annual 2-day booster training events.

All intervention schools receive at least monthly on-site support and technical assistance from a trained behavior support coach.

Professional development and technical assistance were provided to the behavior support coaches through state-coordinated training events conducted four times each year.

That is one hell of a training and on-site support load, showing how difficult PBIS is to implement competently. So it had better work.

Professor Bradshaw’s study pre-dated the establishment of IES’ What Works Clearinghouse. WWC came, last year, to a starkly different conclusion than reflected in the abstract of her 2010 work.

WWC reported that, while meeting IES standards and, even with all of that professional training and support, her study offered “no statistically significant positive findings.

Click “more outcomes” on student discipline findings to see that IES found no statistically significant differences between the PBIS schools and control group schools on either School-level suspension rate or Office Disciplinary Referrals.

That challenges the claims in the original study abstract.

Again click “more outcomes” where available and find:

  • No statistically significant differences on reading and math scores;
  • None in interpersonal competencies, student behavior, or student discipline.

So after the massive pre-trial and in-trial professional supports to the PBIS schools and the resultant focus on improving the targeted performance measures in those schools, PBIS failed to show significant academic or behavioral improvements.

Postscript. Professor Bradshaw is now on the inside of WWC taking a lead role.

I personally feel little suspense in waiting for the WWC practice guide whose development she is chairing. The one on positive behavior support.

If it suggests PBIS by name, we will have to see how WWC defines PBIS in that practice guide.  PBIS is a framework.

It didn’t score any points in Professor Bradshaw’s 2010 study.

updated Feb 4 at 2030 with clarifications about Professor Bradshaw and her 2010 study.  No conclusions were changed on those subjects.

 


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56 responses to “School Discipline in Virginia – Part 4 – The False Legend of PBIS Effectiveness”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Click “more outcomes” on student discipline findings to see that IES found no statistically significant differences between the PBIS schools and control group schools on either School-level suspension rate or Office Disciplinary Referrals.”

    Actually, they did not evaluate ODRs… if you read the actual study you would know that is because ODR data was not available for the study period for the control group. See snap below.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f8f7171f43ea2310edd6316b5efbd6ec7fadac895548d95094d6be05ec443a0.png

    As to what the author claims about significance of the improvements they measured, the details are outlined below.

    “Three analyses of ODR data were conducted using repeated measures GLM to determine whether there were significant differences in the rates of ODRs across the four posttraining years. Based on prior research indicating that school-level factors are associ- ated with different rates of student behavior problems (Birnbaum et al., 2003), we controlled for school system or district, percentage of students receiving free and reduced meals, and school enrollment in the analysis of the ODR data. We first calculated the number of major office referrals per 100 students per day for each SWPBIS-trained school over the course of the trial. This rate was .201 at the end of the 1st year of the trial and dropped to .159 in the last year of the trial. Across all years of the trial, the rate of major ODRs per 100 stu- dents per day remained well below the national SWIS average, which ranged from .34 to .37 for the school years spanning the trial (Spaulding et al., 2008; Figure 3a). The repeated measures GLM for the rates of major ODRs per 100 students per day was nonsignificant (Wilks’s Λ=.84,F(1,14)=2.59,p=.13,η2 =.16,d=.21 (Figure 3a). However, the percentage of students with a major or minor ODR decreased significantly over the course of the study from 18.8% to 18.1%, Wilks’s Λ = .67, F(1, 14) = 6.99, p = .019, η2 = .33, d = .08 (Figure 3b). The number of major and minor ODR events per student also decreased significantly over the course of the trial, Wilks’s Λ = .52, F(1, 14) = 12.90, p = .003, η2 = .48, d = .12 (Figure 3c).
    Suspensions. The mean suspension rates for each year of the study are reported for SWPBIS and Comparison schools (Figure 4). A Wilcoxon signed ranks test, in which a Z score was computed separately for the two
    conditions, was nonsignificant for the comparison schools (Z = –1.54, p = .12) but was statistically signifi- cant for the SWPBIS schools (Z = –2.17, p =.03, d = .27). This test indicates that the percentage of students receiv- ing suspensions significantly declined over time for SWPBIS schools but not for comparison schools.”

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      BTW, I am utterly fascinated that I continually write heavily researched and footnoted 1000 – 1500 word articles from which you take one sentence and torture it.

      You occasionally make a valid point and I act on it, but such contributions do not predominate.

      In this case you disagree with the IES assessment of statistical significance of some of the data in this particular PBIS study.

      Do you actually think IES missed the study data on ODRs and suspensions?

      And do you think that Professor Bradshaw, who had a position at IES at the time, let her study go down without a fight?

      IES will be answering their phones on Monday. I am very confident they can talk you through what they did.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      That indeed is what the report said. I have been trying to tell you that IES disagrees with the study team’s assessment that what they measured was statistically significant. Again, not my judgment, theirs. But thanks for the note.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      In this case you disagree with the IES assessment of statistical significance of some of the data in this particular PBIS study.

      Do you actually think IES missed the study data on ODRs and suspensions?

      And do you think that Professor Bradshaw, who had a panel position at IES at the time and has a higher one today let her study go down without a fight?

      IES will be answering their phones on Monday. I am very confident they can talk you through what they did.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Since you (kind of) asked what I thought, I think IES is looking at the data differently than the author. The fact is that the study did find significant trends in the data and the author has valid reasons for her statement. She was not lying (which is what you are strongly implying in your little hit piece). Oh, and again, IES reached no finding on the ODR data counter to your claim.

  2. I suspect that there is an inherent bias in the studies propounded by advocates of PBIS. How do ed scholars measure effectiveness? Someone has to generate data on suspensions and other disciplinary actions. Who generates the data? School administrators, that’s who.

    I had lunch today with a teacher who recently dropped out of the profession. She despaired about the breakdown in discipline — and particularly the indifference of school administrators to serious incidents she reported. Administrators are incentivized by the system to sweep disciplinary complaints under the rug. Fewer complaints means the schools (and the administrators) look better.

    Could the same thing be happening in the PBIS studies? Do the studies rely upon data reported by administrators who look good if the numbers are going in the right direction?

    Who do you believe, ed school scholars or your own lying eyes?

    1. Matt Hurt Avatar

      So far this semester, I have met with approximately 200 teachers during our annual curriculum team meetings. In each of these meetings, the teachers were asked what’s driving teachers out of the profession. The two most consistent answers are low salary and discipline (or lack thereof).

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Thanks. Discipline is clearly a significant issue. The question is , is it due to PBIS or is it worsr discipline issues in general across the board, no matter which process method is being used?

        But to this point so far, actual compelling data on both discipline in general and PBIS (or alternatives) specifically is sparse at best.

        We have all kinds of anecdotal “evidence” including the fact that teachers that leave are citing discipline but what we don’t seem to have is actual data that allows us to compare both current with prior for all nor compare between different discipline approaches.

        1. Matt Hurt Avatar

          The problem with discipline data is that it is somewhat subjective and not collected and reported consistently from division to division or even school to school within each division.

          A problem that complicates this is that the data is collected, publicly published, and our administrators are told that it is a bad thing to have high rates of disciplinary outcomes in which students are removed from class or school. This creates a situation in which administrators feel that their hands are tied and they really can’t address disciplinary issues effectively. Basically the current climate concerning discipline disincentivizes administrators to deal with disciplinary issues. In other words, they feel it is better to not deal with it than to be demonized for being mean to their students.

          It seems to me that the alternative disciplinary measures that have been implemented have not been able to produce as orderly a school environment than the traditional methods. Folks can certainly argue that these new methods may not have been implemented properly, and there could be some merit to that argument. However, I’ve not seen any evidence in our schools that these new methods are producing the desired effects.

          It seems to me like the old argument about communism- it’s a really good system, but it has just never been implemented correctly.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            All true. But also true that without real data, the claims about discipline are not proven and even facetious. I would imagine that if PBIS is so bad, we’d be hearing about it from at least some schools dropping it for cause.

            But writing endless tomes about PBIS “failing” and causing “chaos” by citing one-off anecdotal stuff is less than wonderful journalism, IMO.

            What I suspect , but also don’t have data to prove, is that behaviors have gotten worse over time not only for kids but adults and the kids really do reflect society. When mom goes and raises holy hell at a school board meeting or in a social media spat, the kids see it and if Mom did it, it must be okay.

            The schools have to teach kids how NOT to act and when they do, Mom comes in to complain that
            her kid is just acting normal.

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar

            I wish we had some real data on the discipline issue. I don’t think we’ve ever had reliable data on that.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Me too. I’m perfectly willing to be convinced by good data what is and what is not and how to proceed.

            The changes to discipline in response to the disparate impacts to blacks has stuck in the craw of Conservatives from when the changes were made.

            At this point, it’s not even apparent if PBIS has actually resulted in less disparate impacts even, much less has resulted in worse behaviors and “chaos”. Seems to be more hyperbolic narrative than actual solid compelling data.

            One would think that just on a practical basis, that if PBIS was no good/as bad as claimed, we’d be hearing about it from the schools… What we hear is that discipline and behavior are worse and a problem but as far as I can tell, no direct advocacy for or against the different methods.

            The collected school quality “climate” data seems not right to me. It’s hard to believe that in
            a school system with 20k students that the number of offenses are in the teens or twenties.
            I think we had one incident at one high school that had that many violations!

          4. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Again, when we say that discipline outcomes must improve, the easiest way of doing that is to stop reporting it, or at least report less. PBIS may not have been a bad idea prior to Covid, but doesn’t seem to be up to the task now. Of course, Covid has really done a number on our expectations, academically and behaviorally. In fact, the euphemism folks use for discipline issues is mental health. For certain, we have some students who struggle with that, but the majority are just kids who are out of line and folks feel like they’re powerless to get them back in line.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “But to this point so far, actual compelling data on both discipline in general and PBIS (or alternatives) specifically is sparse at best.”

          Actually, there looks to be quite a bit of data out there on PBIS. The issue constructed by Sherlock is it just doesn’t count unless reviewed by IES… even the reports generated by IES… if it is not in the WWC it just doesn’t exist.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            So, let’s assume that the data that is out there fails to meet strong research standards for the purpose of addressing Sherlocks claims.

            What data is he citing to back up his claims? To this point all he seems to be doing is saying the PBIS data is wrong.

            Where is his proof beyond citing anecdotal?

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            That is a very big assumption. Are we to throw away all medical research unless it is specifically reviewed and approved by NIH?

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Ever seen what one disgruntled employee can do to a company? It’s remarkable. One person can experience an adverse action, and within days of water cooler talk, half of the company is sure they were/are victims too.

        Low pay? Yeah, that’s easy. They all get paychecks and they all pay bills.

        Discipline? They better have examples. Sure, the teacher at Richneck was shot, and I’ll bet more than a few have been threatened, but hysteria is a real effect.

        1. Matt Hurt Avatar

          They have plenty of examples. Luckily, I haven’t heard any examples as egregious as this, but they tend to be more about the ability to maintain an orderly classroom environment. As it turns out, not much learning takes place when students are doing everything but their classwork. These teachers tell me the conditions are not conducive to them being successful. Teachers have to feel like they’re making a difference, because the pay is not that much of an incentive. If they feel they can’t make a difference, they’ll move on to greener pastures. I really do think this is what is driving the mass exodus out of our classrooms.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Okay, but you understand what I’m saying. There’s a difference between “Let me tell you about…” and “Now that you mention it…”

            My best example is from the ADD/ADHD era (aka the 90s). The single greatest source of diagnoses were teachers. Kid is disruptive. Teacher says, “I think he’s ADHD”. Parent says “Doctor, his teacher thinks he has ADHD.” Doctor says, “Here’s a prescription.”

            And we move to the next most disruptive kid in the class. And don’t tell me it didn’t happen. It was documented.

            Nevertheless, the exodus is most assuredly beginning with the paystub. When you are underpaid, everything else becomes “yet another reason”.

            Here’s what you do. Get the teacher average pay. Compare it to the median pay for the area. Correlate to the turnover rate. My dollar to your dime, where teachers make less than median wage, turnover is high, e.g. Fairfax. Where teachers make more than median wage, e.g., Wise, turnover is low. And of course, turnover affects kids.

          2. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Almost- the highest vacancy rates as of October 2021 were found in one of the more economically depressed parts of the state (Region VIII). In the most affluent part of the state, the vacancy rate was below the state average, but not by a lot.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46f21867a41a07b8652b94d25e6d58c1787af1b63d82c65091c382171354557a.jpg

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Pay AND OPPORTUNITY. — you’re underpaid, and have a choice (lateral or up), even if that choice is to move. Region VIII includes Petersburg, Hopewell, Richmond? Yeah, now what’s the vacancy rate excluding them?

            Southwest is most likely the “Golden Handcuffs” situation. Teacher pay >> Median income plus low jobs numbers. Tidewater is the other situation.

          4. Matt Hurt Avatar

            No sir, all of those divisions are in Region I. Region VIII are as follows.

            Amelia County
            Appomattox County
            Brunswick County
            Buckingham County
            Charlotte County
            Cumberland County
            Greensville County
            Halifax County
            Lunenburg County
            Mecklenburg County
            Nottoway County
            Prince Edward County

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            RIght, but I’m seeing a map now that seems to show schools in the CIP group that are NOT Region VII.

            correct?

          6. Matt Hurt Avatar

            That map was displayed at a Virginia Board of Education meeting last year looking at the trends by region across the entire state- 132 divisions.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The problem with that map is weighting. If you regionally average, you’ll get ~2%. Population weighted you’ll get closer to 2.5 to 2.75.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            Well, I was only alluding to what districts are actually participating that are outside of Region VII. I see no list, just a map with colors.

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Look at the link in my reply to Matt beginning with “You obviously…”

            Virginia ain’t so bad.

          10. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            So how does that relate to the map? The regions aren’t numbered.

            I see. Those cities must be in Central.

            Still, those regions aren’t just apples and oranges, but cornucopias.

            But here’s a real challenge, and a better approach.

            Pick a school, any school. Draw a 50-mile circle around it (assumption being teacher lives in circle). Now, get three bits of info in the circle. Median income. Teacher salaries (0 to 5 years). Job openings that pay more and require college degrees.

            Now do your vacancy rate.

          11. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Here is the listing of the regions and the divisions.
            https://www.doe.virginia.gov/about-vdoe/virginia-school-directories/virginia-public-school-division-staff-listing-by-region

            I don’t think your pick a school idea would explain those rates in Region VIII, but I’d love to see your work when you get that done.

          12. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You obviously mistake me for someone who cares. Then too, it’s not clear to me that things, based on vacancy rates, are so dismal.

            “3.What are the market benchmarks for employee vacancy rate?

            The employee vacancy rate in the Eurozone was 2.3% in the second quarter of 2021, while in the whole of the EU, it was 2.2%. The rate is up from 2.1% in the previous quarter and from 1.6% in the second quarter of 2020.

            Among the EU Member States, the highest job vacancy rate in the second quarter of 2021 was observed in the Czech Republic (4.9%), while the lowest was in Greece (0.3% in the first quarter of 2021). In the U.K., vacancies hit 1.1 million between July and September 2021, the highest level since records began in 2001. The largest increase in vacancies was in the retail sector and in motor vehicle repair.

            The established market benchmark for vacancy rate is around 3.5% but a lot depends on the country, industry, and the organization itself. Traditionally, the vacancy rate is much higher in the healthcare sector or in industries that are missing particular skills.

            4. What do high and low vacancy rates mean?

            Once you collect the data and calculate the vacancy rate – what can you do with the result? What does a low or high number mean?

            A high percentage can be a sign of a high demand or a low supply in the job market. It can also mean that there are jobs available, but they remain unfilled.

            The low rate of vacancies could be an indicator of good HR processes in the company and the attractiveness of the vacancies that are advertised. In other words, it might mean that there is a great demand in the market for the advertised job offers.”

            And then, there’s this…
            https://www.teachershortages.com/

          13. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Well, if student outcomes as measured by the SOL test doesn’t matter, you’re exactly right. If we’re interested in helping our students be successful, the 4% rate in October is criminal.

          14. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well Matt, I’m getting old and forgetful.

            I just suddenly realized I’ve been here before. It’s not deja vu. It’s real. I have been right here before, on this website, saying the same things.

            Virginia doesn’t have a problem with hiring and retaining teachers. Well, we do but we ain’t alone. It’s nationwide. In fact, it’s worldwide, Matt. Worldwide.

            So guess what? We ain’t going to solve it here in Virginia without solving the problem in Copenhagen too. Virginia Beach might offer free pizzas to new hires and bump the vacancy rate a tad, but we are unlikely to do anything that gets VB to the same 1% in Wise. Ever!

            Further, we’re not going to solve discipline problems either. Mitigation. Itsey bitsey mitigations are the only thing we can accomplish here.

            Now, making teachers feel safe from violence, particularly gun violence? Well, that’s a gun problem.

          15. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Maybe all of this is an indication that the four horseman of the Apocalypse are nigh.

          16. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            World’s changing Matt. The places where vacancy rates are low are filling with non-credentialed teachers.

            But the good news, a Math graduate with a teaching certificate can go anywhere. They would be in demand in 50 States, and 6 English-speaking nations. Willing to learn a new language? The world, Matt, the whole world is their oyster.

            Bad for VB is great for the man.

            This is really cool. Good article and the maps are interactive. Double tap a state and it pops up the State reference documents.

            https://www.teachershortages.com/

          17. Matt Hurt Avatar

            I’ve seen this before, but the data is not that reliable (notice the source for each state). I really wish we had some hard numbers from each state.

          18. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Kinda like police violence data, ain’t it? Those who really could provide the data have no reason to gather it, let alone release it.

          19. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Yes sir.

          20. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            In central and SE Virginia, there are school shootings and stabbing with terrible regularity. The one with the six-year-old was Newport News third in-school shooting in I believe six weeks.

            Assault and battery on teachers, as you read in the next article in this series, under relatively new Virginia law need not even be reported to police unless some arbitrary level of bodily harm ensues.

            Madness.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Water cooler talk? Hysteria?

          That is an epic case of denial and deflection. But they appear to be what progressives have left.

          Newsflash, teacher pay went up 5% this year and 5% again this coming year with a bill and funding that passed last session. A promise that Gov. Youngkin campaigned on. They broadly need more yet, but they will get it.

          Kids came back from extended COVID school closures driven by progressive school boards and were at best unruly.

          By contrast, in SW Va’s Region 7, some opened for full in-person attendance as early as Aug 2020.

          That trend broadly resulted in the PBIS school divisions, led by Richmond schools, being closed as much as a full school year longer than non-PBIS divisions.

          JLARC wrote:

          “Nearly 3/4 of teachers report their morale is lower since the pandemic. 2/3 reported they are less satisfied with the job.”

          They were frustrated particularly by their inability to make headway on the learning losses despite increased workloads.

          The key reasons for the inability of many teachers to make academic headway were the challenge of maintaining classroom discipline and massive chronic absenteeism.

          The Newport News and Virginia Beach school boards, PBIS divisions both, with whom I am most currently familiar, are at their wits ends about how to deal with both discipline and absenteeism.

          My research on the data for years has indicated Matt Hurt’s non-PBIS schools in Region 7 simply do not see the levels of classroom discipline issues there in SW Virginia that we do in lower performing parts of the state.

          One thing that has always caught my attention is that Region 7 kids get very high SOL scores despite high chronic absenteeism. That tells me the classroom learning environments are of very high quality.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            8 regions? 8 samples? Broaden your scope.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The scandals exposed here include:
      – the revolving door between the graduate schools of education and the departments of education, both federal and state.
      – And the subsequent capture by the Ed schools of DOE as a regulator, funder of projects and author of policy.

      The capture is virtually complete.

      The countervailing miracle in this case is that the IES, installed as the scientific conscience of DOE, had the integrity and bravery to throw a flag, albeit 11 years later.

      IES found that the study was well designed, but produced no evidence outside of the margin of error that PBIS made any positive improvements. Improvements that after the publication of Dr. Bradshaw’s study had been unchallenged for more than a decade.

      I wish I knew the inside story there. Must have caused quite a dustup.

      But Ms Bradshaw will have the final say with her appointment to lead the development of. IES’ positive behavior support practice guide. Foxes and henhouses. You will be happy to know she is a rising star at our alma mater.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Scandals” now! Egads!!

        “I wish I knew the inside story there.”

        Seems to be the common message of many BR “journalistic” pieces these days…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Indeed. Conservative “journalism” these days… is often mostly echo chamber kool-aid.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    So Sherlock says the study is GOOD because Institute for Education Sciences What Works Clearinghouse (WWC) has tough standards for proof.

    But JAB is suspicious anyhow!

    My question is, what kind of discipline did the “control” schools have?

    Finally, if PBIS, across the board is no more “effective” that other methods , does that also mean it still has higher levels of discipline for black students per one of the complaints against it , that it was trying to reduce disparate demographic referrals?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You get what you inspect, Larry.

      PBIS school divisions have demanded fewer out-of-school suspensions and expulsions. They are backed by threats against principals and teachers that do not record fewer. And they keep records. By race and disability.

      So what do you think is the result?

      One answer is fewer out-of-school punishments. The other is chaos and violence in the schools.

      But don’t take it from me, please. See https://www.wavy.com/news/richneck-parent-sounded-alarm-prior-to-shooting-staff-left-in-dark-during-lockdown/

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        your reference to Richneck is your “proof”? 😉 geeze. i bet even iES for what works would
        find that slim… 😉

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          How many teacher surveys do we need to cite here for you to accept the fact that the schools are chaotic and dangerous? That is, I hope, treated as a rhetorical question.

          Start with the JLARC survey and go from there. And check out the soaring teacher resignations.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            I need more than single events and so should you if you’re serious about your journalism.

            NN school has an enrollment of 26,000 students, employs about 4,700 people and 35 schools and your “proof” of “chaotic and dangerous” is one incident in one school?

            You generate all these blog posts and words and your “proof” seems to be largely anecdotal what-about-ism?

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Doubling down on your misrepresentation of the old teacher surveys again…??

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            We need data, not ad hock anecdotal directly related to the type of behavior/discipline process in place.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “They are backed by threats against principals and teachers that do not record fewer.”

        That is a serious charge. So far, I have seen nothing from you to actually back that up.

        “And they keep records. By race and disability.”

        You don’t want them to track discipline by these factors…??

  4. Lefty665 Avatar

    You have said that PBIS has been used for CRT/DIE ends. As we agree, using a behavior change program to advance an ideological agenda is not likely to facilitate the behavioral objectives. If you have evidence of the ideological agenda you would be on far firmer ground going after that and its misuse of the behavioral program rather than picking on the program.

    Going after the PBIS symptom if the real issue is a CRT/DIE agenda overlaid on it is barking up the wrong tree. Even if you win the argument that PBIS is ineffective CRT/DIE can simply be overlaid on another methodology.

    I have first hand experience that behavioral programming can work exceptionally well, but I have no experience with PBIS so I cannot speak to its effectiveness in particular. I do have 40+ years experience with behavioral programming in vocational programs for people with severe disabilities in the mid-Atlantic region. Almost all of them used behavioral programming. Some were phenomenally successful (one of which I ran for several years), a few were failures, the rest scattered in between. The differences were in implementation, not the behavioral tools used.

    For behavioral programming to be effective it requires both causing positive behavior change and intermittent longer term reinforcement to maintain positive change. The staff training you described looks like that same principle being applied to them. FWIW a characteristic of behavioral programming is that to maintain change requires intermittent longer term reinforcement. That means staff follow up. You do not just create change, pat yourself on the back and head off to the next client. Followup reduces time available to create new behavior change in new clients or occasional staff additions. A research center for vocationally oriented behavioral programming has been housed at VCU for several decades.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I am simply noting the IES findings on the 2010 report. They did not “pick on” Dr. Bradshaw’s famous study. They said it was very well designed and executed. They simply disagreed with the statistical significance of some of the findings.

      As for the ideological basis of the current PBIS in Virginia, this is my fourth article in the series. See earlier ones, especially the last one, for the left turn Virginia’s PBIS took with its sudden emphasis on race about 2010.

      Your career is impressive.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        “Your career is impressive.” Not really, but I did ok. I ran my own shop.

        You’re still barking up the wrong tree. You repeatedly mention the use of PBIS as a vehicle for woke/DIE but do not pursue it while keeping after PBIS itself.

        If you are right on woke/DIE that is the travesty and PBIS for better or worse is only incidental.

      2. Lefty665 Avatar

        “Your career is impressive.” Not really, but I did ok. I ran my own shop.

        You’re still barking up the wrong tree. You repeatedly mention the use of PBIS as a vehicle for woke/DIE but do not pursue it while keeping after PBIS itself.

        If you are right on woke/DIE that is the travesty and PBIS for better or worse is only incidental.

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